What's the Difference? What Type of VR Gunstock Should You Buy? (Quest, Quest 2 & Rift S)

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Check out all the different gunstocks Kobra VR has to offer for the Quest, Quest 2 and Rift S headsets on their Etsy store here - www.etsy.com/shop/KobraVR
Just so it's perfectly clear this is NOT an affiliate link. I do not make any money from the sale of Kobra VR stocks. I just think they make a great product and want everyone that's interested in one to be able to easily find them. 🙂
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Using a gunstock when playing VR shooters, in my opinion, is one of the best ways to improve stability and accuracy and improve your aim. But there's a lot of different types of gunstocks to choose from and how do you know which one is right for you. Well it really depends on what type of experience you're looking for. If you're wanting the most realistic simulation possible then you're going to want a completely different type of stock than if you're wanting to play online where you need to not only be accurate but fast when switching between your sidearm and other equipment like grenades and other things. In this video I go over the 3 different types of VR gun stocks currently on the market (i.e. Top Rail, Bottom Rail and Fixed Stock designs) and briefly talk about the strengths and weaknesses of each and which type of stock is best depending on the VR experience you're looking for.
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Wanna skip to a particular part of the video? Use the Chapters. :)
Chapters
0:00 - selecting a VR gunstock depends on what kind of experience you're wanting
0:18 - shameless plugs for where to buy a Kobra gunstock & my review videos :)
0:41 - until recently there have only been 2 types of VR gunstocks
0:59 - strengths and weaknesses of “Top Rail” gunstock designs
1:19 - strengths and weaknesses of “Bottom Rail” gunstock designs
1:51 - controller to gunstock connection types strengths & weaknesses
3:05 - introducing the new 3rd type of VR gunstock
3:19 - strengths and weaknesses of “Fixed Stock” design
4:18 - the Kobra Elite and CQB are Highly Adjustable!
4:58 - So which stock should you buy?
5:07 - for the most realistic simulation I recommend...
5:28 - for the best competitive online play I recommend...
5:43 - for the best all around I recommend...
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@LeggoMyLegYo Жыл бұрын

I recommend that everyone takes a few minutes to learn how to properly sling your weapon and use the sling to brace. After making my own stock yesterday it takes some work, and I personally prefer the ability to remove both of my joysticks quickly because of onward. I rigged up a bottom mounted stock at first, but then switched to the base of the controllers mounted on top, it works that much better and I can intuitively pull the sticks out to reload, use a sidearm or piece of equipment and then return to my sling. I also have a fixed bipod on the front for going prone, but have found that taking the sling off for prone sniping is most convenient as I need the sling tight to use as a brace.

@sidney1234usc 2 жыл бұрын

You can customize the CQB to function similar to The wolverine by using the little elastic band for the front front grip and placing it on the back grip while sliding the back controller in far enough to hold the controller stable but exposing the button so you can grip your weapon. The reason why I tried it like this was because every time I went to grab my gun stock and gun in game they never lined up because of where the gun in game sits which made it slower for me to get engaged in a gun fight. All I did was slide the piece on to the back put my grip strap all the way through it then slid the controller into the elastic band afterwards reattaching the strap so that my hand was secure and holding the gun stock

@christianjimenez6868 Жыл бұрын

This was a great video thank you soo much for introducing me to this

@teksaucee 7 ай бұрын

Exactly what i was looking for thank you

@beartoast23 4 ай бұрын

Solid review! Just bought the Wolverine and am pumped to try it out

@user-pb8je1oo1y 3 ай бұрын

How is it?

@bombx7777 8 ай бұрын

Thanks, you helped me decide to get one

@dirtsapient9638 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the content. Don't know much about the current state of vr gaming and what the capabilities and available platforms are even. Been waiting on this stuff since I was a small child though and its interesting to see them finally making some advancements.

@sidney1234usc 2 жыл бұрын

Great review fallendorn or however you spell it definitely should be giving you a percentage of what he makes because you literally are the reason why I've purchased two of his gun stocks both the ones you just advertised. But instead of the regular wolverine I got the wolverine light

@FishGrizzly 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video Bryan! I love my CQB….I’ve never used another stock so I might be biased but I don’t know if I need to try one. LOL

@proximityfpv1722 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the vid!

@Sneakergeeker99 2 жыл бұрын

Yooo… I also made a purchase today …..with the same 4-6 week wait ..but based on these videos i feel it’s definitely worth it. Good things take time. Definitely worth it ….. I think kobravr is definitely on to something. Thanks for these videos bro. You got my sub and like. Happy questing 👌🏾🤞🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾.

@cozyninjaytcrispychicken722 2 жыл бұрын

Don't know how to end your video. *EXSPLOSION*

@fiocco10 2 жыл бұрын

THE BEST REVIEW FOR ALL !!!

@luckyaffpv343 Жыл бұрын

Well dang. Learned a lot but still indecisive

@Halogamething Жыл бұрын

I play Onward VR and I’m already a good sniper but I’m trying to find a stock to stop or lessen shaking and have the rifle more still while aiming, this vid helped me so thanks.

@Justin-ny8df Жыл бұрын

Another one you could mention is the OlenVR ones. I really like the Spine with it's stock. For the Halo fans, they have a Master Chief special edition that looks sick.

@KobraVR 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for taking the time to explain the differences! We had wanted to do something similar but time and priorities had held this back. A very good summary of the strengths and weaknesses and agree with the subcategories of each 👍

@chasemcgowan12 2 жыл бұрын

I just went to go buy one from his link he put in the description and it sent me to Etsy, and was sold out😒

@dirtsapient9638 2 жыл бұрын

Listen homie. Could you maybe do a video about the pros and cons of various VR systems currently available and go over their capabilities? Ive been waiting on them to improve the tech before I considered spending any money. Also would it be possible for you to maybe discuss the ergonomics of playing these things? Playing some games with a traditional controller has recently become somewhat problematic regarding pain and discomfort. Would be really interested to hear some feedback on how much work these things actually put on the hands.

@louisseyns5458 2 жыл бұрын

Another valuable KZfaq channel! With these fixed gunstocks where the trigger controller is fixed, how do you use them exactly in bolt rifle or sniper rifles? Thanks!

@samvernon2171 Жыл бұрын

He said in a different video that you have to use your over hand

@OfficialRa1nb0wD4sh Жыл бұрын

ok as a professional vr fps player and stock user the easiest way not to have to fumble around looking for your stock is to always keep 1 controller attached in game like contractors its really easy to do same for onward since pistol are rarely used for pavlov and breachers youll only use pistol for first round or eco round so isnt that big of a deal either magnets gives you the best reload speed once you get use to them and a properly balanced gunstock is key mamut vr have the wasp 3 apto or something like this which even tho its solid af like you wont break it the buttstock is also stupidly heavy compare to most other gunstock making handling weird at times

@cdulez Жыл бұрын

I have the Glisto stock,its only really been good for Onward on the Quest 2 but it took me a while to “zero” it and get the muscle memory

@colinrbsn Жыл бұрын

Personally, I 3d printed mine for wayyy cheaper and its also custom build to what I need, but I understand not alot of people have that option

@groottite1102 5 ай бұрын

I was thinking of this but my 3D printer would have to print multiple parts at different times making it more time consuming and difficult to put together if you have a solution to this id be glad to hear it other then getting a new 3D printer.

@stickyicky2858 Жыл бұрын

I play in e sports on contractors and decided to buy a stock still not sure which one but I'm leaning protube.

@neros1277 3 ай бұрын

I just want my sniper to not shake like old man in pavlov

@coesy1085 Жыл бұрын

I never have used a gun stock for vr which one should I buy I only have a budget of 30 dollars

@soup-plays-vr Жыл бұрын

If youre a casual wanting to buy a stock for onward vr cuz you have bad aim, then go to the onward settings, in there should be an option called "stock" or smth, change that to virtual then BOOM, better aim!

@cursedbyvoodoo1262 5 ай бұрын

So I don't really play vr multi-player shooters not my thing but I do play into the radius alot but playing without a stock is a absolute pain, does anyone have a recommendation for that style of game , mind you it does have pump shotguns most stocks I see support rifles but not pump shotguns

@_RokuTv_ 2 жыл бұрын

honestly I'm just gonna 3d print one because some of the prices are crazy.

@drastickej Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing but when I counted in the prices of tubes and magnets and shipping it wasn't really much cheaper. I went with maglock kobra but haven't received it yet.

@xzeuii Жыл бұрын

Okay so this is just a big Kobra ad. Cool.

@DeityMicrophones Жыл бұрын

What game was that being played at 0:10 ? Looked like Call of Duty

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

That was Pavlov. On PC it has a bunch of mod maps you can add to the game, which there are a bunch of from Call of Duty. Another great VR shooter that also has a bunch of Call of Duty mod maps as well as Halo and Counter Strike, is Contractors. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p9KJltyhtdGRZX0.html

@jadeclark2007 Жыл бұрын

What game is this you’re playing in the video?

@GoodGirlZoe640 Жыл бұрын

i wish i had a gun stalk i just bought contractors vr but the good stalks cost to much

@namelessfrce5842 2 жыл бұрын

Any USA based sellers? $24 just for shipping from the UK

@potatodice6965 2 жыл бұрын

So its only worth buying from Kobra? Seems like you could review different vr stocks

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

You can buy from whoever you like, I just did a lot of research before buying my first stock and Kobra VR has what I feel are the best designs I've seen (this is of course just my opinion). I really like their grip handle designs a lot. I feel they're way easier/quicker to use than the stocks where you're trying to stick your controller into a friction fit cup or even snap onto a magnetic dock while you're blind in your headset. They provide a very immersive/natural experience. While I've never tried a Pro Tube it's design is quite similar to the CQB and I'm sure is a good stock. But again I prefer Kobra VR's grip handles over the magnetic attachment. The main point I was trying to make with this video is no matter the brand, there are essentially three different general types of VR gunstocks and each one has their strengths and weaknesses. My hope was to let people who've never used a stock before know about things like tracking occlusion and the difference between grip handles and magnetic docks and what not and then let them make up their mind what they want to buy whether that be a Pro Tube, SanLaki, Deadshot Elite, Kobra or whatever. I personally only own Kobra stocks so that's what I have to show off.

@GoTips Жыл бұрын

Why are all the links only for etsy?

@only_a_shadow 2 жыл бұрын

Sadly the CQB version isnt available anymore. 😕 Is there another shop for it than Etsy

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

It's only temporarily unavailable. I don't know what the reason is exactly why they're not on right now but I do know they just finished fulfilling one or two hundred CQB orders and are currently producing as many Wolverine gun stocks as they can to fulfill those orders. My guess is the CQB will be back up once they get caught up on the Wolverine orders.

@Antwn_ 2 жыл бұрын

@@Maraksot78 do you know when it would be back in stock?

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

@@Antwn_ Don't know for sure about the CQB but I know they've put a pause on all orders at the moment until April 27th. They have so many orders right now they're having a hard time keeping up. They don't want people to have to wait for 4 or 6 weeks from the time they order for people to take delivery so they've paused new orders to get caught up. Perhaps after the 27th the CQB will be back up for order again?

@hugh_gene 2 жыл бұрын

None of the stocks are available. Where can I buy these?

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

Kobra VR is a small company, just Falandorn (the creator) and his wife. Because of the popularity of the Quest 2 they've been getting so many orders they're having a difficult time keeping up and had to pause taking new orders for a bit to get caught up. It was reaching the point people were having to wait 6 to 8 weeks for their gunstocks to be made and delivered and the wait time was only getting longer and longer, so even though they didn't necessarily want to, they paused orders to get caught up. I believe they're resuming orders on the 27th or 28th though so just a few more days.

@fns58 Жыл бұрын

This felt like a really long ad lol

@LovelyJedi Жыл бұрын

Hi which game was that Living room shooter where your super small?

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

That's a map called Holiday House in a game called Contractors.

@LovelyJedi Жыл бұрын

@@Maraksot78 okay sweet. i just got it but i suck

@Parz1val465 Жыл бұрын

It seems cool but I'm wondering how the hell do you use a pump action with one of those

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

Since making this video Kobra VR has redesigned their CQB and released their Mag-Lock and now all their stocks are designed with picatinny rails to accommodate add-ons, one of which is a pump shotgun module. I actually reviewed it here if you wanna check it out. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bZ1xecp4sdm8pWg.html

@Parz1val465 Жыл бұрын

@@Maraksot78 ah, makes sense. I like the thought of a stock however I think I would rather minimalistic approach to it. Think I'll build one out of an old desk and some duct tape

@joelmelendez3168 Жыл бұрын

What game was that in the beginning of the video

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

That was Pavlov.

@mazsogood8384 2 жыл бұрын

needs more likes

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I 'like' this comment. :D

@chichip4795 2 жыл бұрын

Listened to your opinion on krobra stocks, so I made the $200 aud dollar decision to try it out, and just found out it is now a 4-6 week build time 😭. Hopefully it’s work it though

@dirtsapient9638 2 жыл бұрын

4 to 6 week build time sounds pretty ridiculous . what is it just 1 guy building everything in a spare room?

@KobraVR 2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtsapient9638 Most of the smaller companies have waits like this currently as they are made to order with one or 2 people doing everything, on top of this there has been massive demand, I can name several that are set up this way. Although we have been around since the beginning of VR we only really set up as a full on business this year with our move to Etsy, so no we are not one person in spare room, but we did actually begin that way! We usually ship much quicker, however, I like to give ourselves a cushion should anything go wrong, that way it keeps my account in good standing with Etsy.

@SqueaksUofA 2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtsapient9638 Yes. I recently ordered the SMG even though I'm expecting a long wait. I did about a week's worth of research into all the current stocks being produced. If you want one quickly, probably best to go with ProTube. From what I can tell it's very reliable and a lot of pros use these. If you want a cheaper version of the ProTube, I recommend a Modus, but their latest version (V3) was sold out last time I checked. Honestly, the Modus is probably better value for your money over the ProTube. It seems to have better stability and is more adjustable since it has two front grip spots. Another option is the Bowk Stock, which was specifically designed for Onward and has the best stability out of all the stocks I researched. The reason I didn't go with any of these was because their designs hamper your utility/reload speed; however, that can be improved through lots of practice. I ended up deciding between a Kobra Wolverine and Deadshot Elite V2.9 with Freedom Grip, because they seemed to have a better focus on utility/reload speeds. The main reason I went with the Kobra SMG over the DSE V2.9 is I think the freedom grip would cause cramping with long periods of use. DSE is also one of the heavier stocks I believe, which may not be great for long play times. Another option that I honestly don't recommend would be a Virtual Rifle Systems stock. It is probably the worst stock in terms of occlusion, which means you will run into aiming issues if your headset fails to pickup the controller sensors. They are also expensive as hell, but their newest version may be the most well built stock due to using injection molding rather than 3D parts. Finally, another great thing about Kobra is the owner is very responsive and will help you decide on their best model that fits your specific needs. I hope this helps!

@dirtsapient9638 2 жыл бұрын

@@SqueaksUofA thanks so much for the detailed response! Ergonomics are actually the MOST important aspect of all of this to me. I want whatever I use to be as comfortable as possible as my absolute top priority and its great to see so many options available. Other than shooters what sorts of controls are available for other sorts of games?

@jinxed13 2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtsapient9638 Just pick which suits your budget and you think will suit you best. Honestly every stock out there has its pros/cons and I say this as someone who sells them lol Pro Tube - bottom mounted cups originally designed for Vive, pricey, no wait. Modus - wait list, similar to protube design with cups but much cheaper. Deadshot - he has tried something different, with one top mounted and one bottom mounted, good print quality and wait list. VRS - injection moulded, top mounted, very pricey, ex military type I think. KobraVR - wait list, innovative designs by someone with back ground in product design, shooting and VR from the start. Me - vested interest as half of KobraVR, I know alot about VR gunstocks because I have been involved from the very beginning of the VR gunstock market, although I can guarantee hardly anyone has heard of me. 😀 Like I said though just do research and chose which you think suits you and your playstyle. Look for occlusion, weight, comfort and sturdiness too.

@Neptune615 Жыл бұрын

I’m looking to use a stock to get better aim and to feel realistic should I get the Wolverine or the cqb?

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

You really can't go wrong with either one they're both fantastic stocks. If you use lots of bolt action guns in games then I would go with the CQB, however if you rarely or never use bolt actions then I'd recommend the Wolverine. At the same time Falandorn has been continuing to make tweaks and improvements to his stocks and the CQB has a new feature allowing it to easily and much better simulate guns like the P90 and the Vector which put your hands really close together. The Wolverine can do this too but it requires you removing parts if you have the DMR or undoing a retention screw on the Ultra-Lite and moving the rear controller dock forward. The new CQB has a thumb wheel you loosen and then you slide your rear hand forward and then lock it back in place. Easy, peasy.

@Neptune615 Жыл бұрын

@@Maraksot78 I’ve decided to go with the kobra Wolverine dmr ty alot

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

@@Neptune615 No problem. Hope you enjoy your new gunstock. 😎👍🏼

@WHP144 5 ай бұрын

Funny how at least most of these stocks are 3d printed. Their profit margins must be nice. Might print my own🤔

@mikeserds2333 4 ай бұрын

Yup pricing can get ridiculous for a obviously very cheap quality. I buy VRifle-3d. Cheap price. You can also send in your own designs to print.

@ryandolan1810 11 ай бұрын

What about the cobra ultrlight

@Maraksot78 11 ай бұрын

It's of the 3rd variety, the fixed or semi-permanently mounted type of stocks. The Kobra Wolverine is just some extra 3D printed parts added to the Ultra-Lite for the most part (here's my review of the Wolverine & Ultra-Lite kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frSVodd-s7bXqZc.html ). Since making this video Kobra has created even more gunstocks, like the Sidewinder which is basically the Ultra-Lite with a hinge in the middle so you can collapse it down (here's a link to my review of it if you're interested kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gcx8o5aEya_doIE.html ) and they've created a stock for the PSVR2 called the Vader One (here's that video if you're curious kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bph_n7CUsae5j2g.html ). Kobra VR also recently teased a new stock for the Quest 2 that's a mix of the Vader One and the Wolverine for the Quest 2 ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pb17mcmEltC5gZc.html )... which I may or may not be working on a review for right now... 😉

@iwilrage 2 жыл бұрын

Its so impossible to get the cqb...

@proximityfpv1722 5 ай бұрын

This is better. lol - protube prorevolver and smg extention that can mount to AR protube with proforce stock. I went crazy and got a pro tube, with a kinetic pro-revolver, with an SMG extension attachment, with a force tube kinetic rifle kick stock. so I'll go from AR, to SMG, to Revolver , all with magnets, and back with kickback all the way. Crazy. silly purchase but I couldn't hit shit with virtual stock and I think the input will make the game way more immersive. Decent resell value too so I figure .... but it was like 800 I think protube is better then these.

@shockwave.9749 2 жыл бұрын

I can't decide between the sanlaki stocks or the kobra

@daneoman1000 Жыл бұрын

I have the Sanlaki, I am very happy with it, tho you have to screw the magnets to the 3D printed stock as the glue holding the magnets is not great.

@thecowgod2575 Жыл бұрын

kobra, trust me dude, kobra cqb is so nice. it’s so adjustable and the dual grab cups are great to use

@istockvr Жыл бұрын

you missed a catagory iSTOCK is a new type.

@StormySky48 10 ай бұрын

2:10 You would never have a need to drop your rifle during an intense online match. If you do then that's in you not the game. Which makes that very situational.

@thelordofcream 8 ай бұрын

tabor? pavlov?

@gijcfuingf8072 Жыл бұрын

Just not sold on havin the plates zip tied to my controller 24/7 only thing holding back me buying a kobra

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

Several months back Kobra updated their controller docks and they no longer use zip ties. This is a review I did of one of their newest stocks, the Sidewinder. You can see how the new dock works in this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gcx8o5aEya_doIE.html

@jj_time1394 Жыл бұрын

any reason why none of wolverines are available

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

If you're talking about the SMG variant, Kobra VR discontinued it. The DMR and Ultra-Lite versions are still available.

@maxmaxed2887 Жыл бұрын

Any way they support HP Reverb G2?

@Maraksot78 Жыл бұрын

I don't know. You could always message @kobra_vr on Twitter and ask. They're very good about responding to people there.

@maxmaxed2887 Жыл бұрын

@@Maraksot78 Yeah I reached out on Etsy. Frankly I don't see why not. If I understand correctly the right controllelr is attached with Zip-Ties. And the left one doesn't really "attach" per say, but is kinda placed in that front nest and held by hand anyway. So since Quest 2 controllers are very similar to G2 it could just work. I'm not sure but I really hope so since regular gun stocks with magnet cups do not fit.

@NobleAIan 2 жыл бұрын

I got all 3 lol

@Phosfit Жыл бұрын

what if there is a game where ur bullets can collide with ur hands

@ChristianHernandez-sc9ek 2 жыл бұрын

0:09 anyone know what game that is ?

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

That's Pavlov. It has downloadable maps from lots of games, in this case Call of Duty.

@stevenzimmerman416 Жыл бұрын

Like the stock but this video is all about Cobra. not a real comparison of different stocks.

@jolongtribe7999 Жыл бұрын

😃Hello, can you sell the design drawings? My girlfriend needs her.

@cojuelodevil 3 ай бұрын

making a pvc one for less than 10 us

@sidney1234usc 2 жыл бұрын

This other guy actually made a gun stock just like this but he's just not known so that's why it didn't catch on

@LucasLLani 8 ай бұрын

Who?

@thebroscrafthater3256 2 жыл бұрын

for me it shows the vr gun stocks are sold out

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

I think starting yesterday or the day before Kobra VR suspended new orders because they're getting more orders than they can fulfill in a timely manner. They don't want people to have to wait 6 or 8 weeks, or longer, from the time they place their order before they actually receive their stock. They're planning to resume orders on 27 April 2022 once they've had time to get caught up on the orders they currently have. This info is posted on their Etsy store too just FYI.

@thebroscrafthater3256 2 жыл бұрын

@@Maraksot78 thanks

@Maraksot78 2 жыл бұрын

No problem. :)

@SlimShotGaming Жыл бұрын

That Kobra Wolverine is almost as good as the iStock…

@JustMe-sh8nd 2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me? You're dominant hand controller fixed!??? What about bolt action on the right side of the gun, so you need to do it with left, that f***s with the imersion

@jinxed13 2 жыл бұрын

It was not designed for bolt actions, Wolverine/Ultralight is fast placed meta, weapons, switching out to pistol or grenades. It is not for everyone, we have always said that some will see it and shout Blasphemy! That's why we offer choice, CQB and the soon to be released magnetic stock I am going to call Project B (for @Maraksot78 to scratch his head over) are the ones to look at for that type of style. Although if you watch any footage of Fal playing you will see he is R hand dominant and uses L to reload bolt actions. He realises not everyone will do this though and doesn't do this with the real things.

@daneoman1000 Жыл бұрын

Your fumbling point is invalid, ALWAYS have the trigger controller fixed to the stock, I only release the front controller to reload and throw grenades(have to throw lefty). I am happy with my Sanlaki