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What's the differences between the Barelvis and Deobandis? | Habīb Umar b. Hafīdh

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Mohiuddin23

Mohiuddin23

10 жыл бұрын

To all the people on both sides on the extremes... chanting for their phenomenal fan clubs of holy men with uncomprehendable esoteric knowledge that came from spiritual unveilings by staring at photoshopped sparkling pictures of the mystics smiling with peacock feathers in a homemade dargah that smells like attar, oud, and pakwan. Please sit tight, watch and listen with your ears and heart this great explanation by Habib Umar translated by Shaykh AbdulKarim Yahya on the differences of the Deobandiyya and Barelwiyya and what are the causes of the useless, over dramatic, over emotional division that is taken extremely seriously in certain places in the Indian subcontinent.

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@sajlee
@sajlee 8 жыл бұрын
Jazakallah dear brother for such a beautiful video. This helped me immensely. This is indeed a time in which we need to bring the ummah together. May Allah reward you for sharing. Duas are with you
@RB-fi7ix
@RB-fi7ix 8 жыл бұрын
you'll find good humble pious scholars from both sides and you'll find extreme bias from both. as long as we understand and respect each others veiws then we can be good. i agree with this shaykh and i salute to him.
@tazboy1934
@tazboy1934 3 жыл бұрын
Good thing i found this video...i was confused and lots of hateful video from barelvis and deobandi toward each other on KZfaq....i dont hate any of the two thou...i mostly frequent deobandi mosque as its near to my house...both are hanafi and maturidi
@thescience9126
@thescience9126 3 жыл бұрын
i have seen you so many comments on this Barelvi deobandi issues. DO you watch Bro Hajji videos , i think i have also seen your comments. i became happy when i see your comment
@boejiden.1445
@boejiden.1445 9 жыл бұрын
THE complex becomes simplex for you when you convince Your Own Self that the truth lies in between the two. The Moderate Path is Always the Best trodden path and the saved path.
@user-zm3hq1gf4y
@user-zm3hq1gf4y 3 жыл бұрын
Barelvi and Deobandi both of them are Ahlul tasawuf
@justneedlife2001
@justneedlife2001 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-zm3hq1gf4y ok?
@MakeTawba.
@MakeTawba. 6 жыл бұрын
Astaghfirullah, the issues are not small but major. It has nothing to do with the nafs but Imam Ahmad Raza Khan (Allah's Mercy be Upon Him) was correct to stand against the comments these deobandies made.
@abdullahahmed1251
@abdullahahmed1251 4 жыл бұрын
@mehmood mayet Please provide proof if you are so sure. Fear Allah and stop making statements that are blatantly false.
@abdullahahmed1251
@abdullahahmed1251 4 жыл бұрын
@mehmood mayet So your proof is a link to a Salafi website which firstly is not Ahlusunnah, and on this website these guys just straight up fabricate, misquote and attribute beliefs to Imam Ahmad Raza Khan, which are not entirely his to begin with. And furthermore, none of that information concludes that "Barelvism is consonant with Shiaism than Ahlus Sunnah." In order to provide proof, you need to provide a statement with a reference to a page number of an actual book written by Imam Ahmad Raza, that confirms your ignorant statement that "Barelvism is in consonant with Shiaism than Ahlus Sunnah." Try again.
@zccau2316
@zccau2316 Жыл бұрын
Sheikh Al Islam Habib Umar is 100x the scholar of Ahmed rida khan. He is also ahlul bayt. This is not to disrespect sheikh ARK but truth is truth
@14910
@14910 10 жыл бұрын
Translation available?
@MohiTal2e3
@MohiTal2e3 10 жыл бұрын
Into what language?
@14910
@14910 10 жыл бұрын
Sorry brother, ignore my previous comment, I didn't realise there was a translator in the audio.
@MohiTal2e3
@MohiTal2e3 10 жыл бұрын
Shuaib Ahmed Haha, gotcha! :)
@abdullahahmed1251
@abdullahahmed1251 4 жыл бұрын
"To all the people on both sides on the extremes... chanting for their phenomenal fan clubs of holy men with uncomprehendable esoteric knowledge that came from spiritual unveilings by staring at photoshopped sparkling pictures of the mystics smiling with peacock feathers in a homemade dargah that smells like attar, oud, and pakwan. Please sit tight, watch and listen with your ears and heart this great explanation by Habib Umar translated by Shaykh AbdulKarim Yahya on the differences of the Deobandiyya and Barelwiyya and what are the causes of the useless, over dramatic, over emotional division that is taken extremely seriously in certain places in the Indian subcontinent." I've listened to the whole thing. And noted many beneficial important points the Shaykh made and have understood the wisdom that he is imparting (in terms of promoting unity). However, it should be noted that he made several important points. Namely, he mentioned that certain: 1. "mardood statements were made that are rejected by Sacred Law and made out of fury." 2. That the lower nafs got involved stirring up the conflict to greater than what it was. Now, unless you know what the actual conflict is, have studied the conflict in depth/detail by reading the statements in their original urdu, understood the context of the emergence of the group(s) by reading the history of the conflict, as well as know what the Ijmaa of the Ummah is/was and what the Ulema of the Haramayn mentioned regarding this conflict 100 years ago, you cant make a claim that this is an "over dramatic, over emotional decision that is taken extremely seriously." This statement of yours is a an arrogant as well as ignorant assertion. Google "the Muhannad deceit" and you will find a very thorough summary explaining what happened. Deobandiyya, especially 100 years ago, is/was a straight up Wahabi group with an agenda to spread Wahabism. Furthermore, the elders of this group are the ones who wrote the "mardood statements," upon which takfir was made. This Takfir was attested to by the Ulema of the Haramayn, including the Great Grand teachers of Habib Umar (hA). And this group was established as a deviant group to avoid. However, the Deobandis being very clever deceitful decided to pull wool over the eyes of many especially those non-Urdu speaking/understanding Arab Ulema who are not aware of the entire details. Therefore, with all due respect to Habib Umar (hA), and I consider him from the Awliya, I have husn-e-dhann that his understanding of the issue is based on some deceit that the deobandis have fed to him and that he is only trying to create Sunni unity. However, this issue is an issue that the Sunni Ulema of the Subcontinent have already resolved and have concluded unanimously of the deviance of the deobandis.
@nadeemmir681
@nadeemmir681 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, why don't talk about the deciet of Ahmed Raza, compare the text from original books to hisamul harmain, u will see who was deceitful
@nadeemmir681
@nadeemmir681 4 жыл бұрын
@@abdullahahmed1251 so ur agreeing Ahmed Raza was deceitful , he changed the actual text
@tazboy1934
@tazboy1934 3 жыл бұрын
@@abdullahahmed1251 so wat shud a normal muslim like me do?i normally go to deobandi mosque and listen to talim and this helped me a lot...
@hameedsyed7688
@hameedsyed7688 3 жыл бұрын
Ahmed rida khan sahab himself deceived the Ulema of Haramain. Miquoted, and cherry picked statements out of context. Made takfir of Ulema of Deoband. Lied about them
@abdullahahmed1251
@abdullahahmed1251 3 жыл бұрын
@@hameedsyed7688 Bhai jaan Try to focus on ibadah during Ramadan And avoid slandering people, especially the Awliyaa. I can tell you’ve already been brainwashed into believing one side and haven’t done your own research. But think about this: what if you didn’t know and Imam Ahmad Ridha Rahmatullahi alayh was truly from the Awliyaa? In fact Habib Umar hA himself has praised him. So it’s best to avoid this discussion so that you don’t further spoil your Ramadan and your iman in general Sincerely, A Muslim brother
@muhammadsulayman2391
@muhammadsulayman2391 9 жыл бұрын
Does make sense but, in my humble opinion, an Arab scholar's opinion doesn't hold that much weight considering that most of the conflict is in the Urdu language.
@MM-vs3jq
@MM-vs3jq 7 жыл бұрын
He addresses the problem with knowledge, respect and ponderation. As he follow the Prophetic Way of settling down tensions and wars between people, especially muslims he make manifest the trait of Muhammad who was sincere in bringing peace between tribes and factions. I don't see where the fact of following the Prophetic way has to do with being arabic chinese, parkistanese or else I admire his example of bringing peace rather than the ones who "want to go back to their arguments" between muslims.
@mouradali8270
@mouradali8270 7 жыл бұрын
and the arguments and iktilfat are from both sides are known
@abdullahahmed1251
@abdullahahmed1251 4 жыл бұрын
M M I think you are confused brother. I understand your point about the Prophet Way of creating peace between the two dissenting parties. But this is not a matter of two dissenting parties just being emotional. This may be how you understand it because your lack of understanding of the urdu language. Similarly, this may be how Habib Umar (hA) understands it because this is how it was presented to him. So his knowledge and understanding of the issue is based on it being translated/filtered into Arabic. So his remarks aren’t conclusive upon the original urdu. In any case, if you seek more familiarly with this issue, google “the Muhammad deciet.” Or you can ask me whatever questions you have and I’ll answer them. But make sure you speak from knowledge rather than what you “think is true” or what you “feel is meant.” بارك الله فيك
@Oo786oO
@Oo786oO 2 жыл бұрын
Knowledge can be translated. Actually Muslims were at the forefront of the translation movement... A person who is beyond the dispute, can be more objective about it.
@zccau2316
@zccau2316 Жыл бұрын
Wtf has lanagiahe got to do with anything 😂😂😂😂 it’s not like you can’t translate what’s being said 😂 It’s always the Barelvis who say Arab scholars shouldn’t get involved lmao. It’s like they are hiding something
@thewolf1801
@thewolf1801 4 жыл бұрын
اللهم اهديه
@sanaullasharief5319
@sanaullasharief5319 9 жыл бұрын
Being an Arab does not mean, he is following pure pristine teachings of Islam. Except for Saudia, every where you will find grave worshipers. Check the website of this guy. He permits seeking intercession from the dead and sacrifice of animals at the graves and much more. THE BIG CALAMITY IS THAT THIS GUY IS TAKEN AS AN ARAB ISLAMIC SCHOLAR IN SOUTH EAST ASIA.
@planc3318
@planc3318 7 жыл бұрын
sanaulla sharief Lol, it's clear that you are a wahabi. You have no proof of anything you say. Woe on to you. The Saudia are amongst the most backward nations on Earth. Habib Umar is a great scholar and again, you don’t provide proof for your claims.
@muhammedansar5452
@muhammedansar5452 6 жыл бұрын
He Arabi scholar, including Arabs look up to him, you are ignorant
@tazboy1934
@tazboy1934 3 жыл бұрын
Sacrifice animal at graves?
@zccau2316
@zccau2316 Жыл бұрын
Don’t slander a decentendent of the prophet pbuh. He as nabils blood running through him
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