I'm placing my bet on 267000 points

It must be unbelievably frustrating to fight a guy who turns into a phantom and dodges every shot you throw for rounds on end... and then drops you with one perfectly placed, kidney-shattering punch. Especially when he's ten weight classes smaller than you are.

Low score Mac is my favorite boxer. He has his opponents analyzed down to the bone. He'll dodge and weave for 2 rounds and land one punch to end the fight. And in the next fight he can't dodge a punch to save his life, getting punched every time he lands a hit. Yet he still wins, every time. Somehow all his fights seem like they're pre-determined, but you never know what kind of Mac will show up. It is an honor to be a boxing spectator in this era. Low score Mac will always be my world champion.

As mentioned in the intro, it is physically impossible to complete the game with zero points, as hitting an opponent in any way gains a point. Therefore, mathematically, 0 points is the worst guess, and I should be pinned for this glorious achievement in scientific problem solving.

As someone who's never paid attention to the score in punch out, I'm going to say exactly 38610. Let's see how awful my score is in an hour...

I love how at 55:20, you get Super Macho Man crouching and turning into Soda Popinski before releasing his uppercut

This may be a bit off topic, but it's really amazing how well made this game is. Most NES games, even the big titles, have a lot of jank to them. Whether it's weird hitboxes, buggy graphics, or sprite flickering/lag, you'll find it everywhere. This game has so few issues that even speedrunners can barely bust its code. Tbh, I really don't like most NES games because they've mostly aged very poorly, but this is a huge exception. The only real "dated" things I can see are the lack of a level select (which is easily made moot with the password system) and the score counter. You could legitimately put this game on a store for 5 bucks (maybe with cleaned up sprites like the video) and it'd feel like it was made today. It's a marvel of game design.

My guess for the lowest score is 5.51 seconds. Not sure why Twin Galaxies removed that record...

Now that I've finished watching, I'm going to make another bold prediction. I predict that this video was only a prelude, the calm before the storm, a video to establish background information before the main event, which is trying to figure out the highest possible scores. In your TAS video you, said that the full TAS speedrun wasn't even close to the hardest thing you've done, and looking at this, I don't think it's this either, but now that we already know how exactly to get points, and we know a way to refill a bit of HP by punching and that it works for enemies as well, something tells me this was just the beginning.

next thing I'd like to know is what is the highest possible score? I mean, you can only score so many points before the opponents will go down, so there has to be a max points limit, right?

very satisfying ending. Excellent video game science, Pap!

14:23 I love that you used this theme again, its like it is king hippo song. Btw the whole music in this video is top notch, great work man, love your content 👑

I know literally nothing about this game, so I'm sure my guess is perfect 200,000 Edit: the points are not going up as much as I thought they might

Let's see, since win by decision is off the table, each foe needs to be knocked out at least once. So that immediately gives us 14 * 1010 = 14140 as a lower bound. And not every foe can be beaten in one knockdown - if we imagine that, on average, each opponent takes 2 knockdowns, this would give us an estimate of 28280 points, disregarding other sources of points. So I'll give a broad guess of 30000 points total to give some room for 10 points per punch adding up.

I find it strange that I'm so interested in the depths of a game I've never played, and looks like a game I probably wouldn't enjoy playing. I think I like the theorhetical aspects of it and the ways that math is used to maximize (or minimize) different categories of efficiency. Ik most speedruns do that with frame-saving techniques, but that sort of math is a fundamental part of the gameplay itself, and is therefore more visible and interesting. Can't wait to see a high score video.

I'm going for 16020. Hope i don't low ball it

I’m going to guess around 40,000. One knockdown for Glass Joe, King Hippo and Piston Honda II, two knockdowns for Don Flamanco I, and three for everyone else gives 35 knockdowns total; that’s 35,000 points. I reckon about 500 punches total for another 5,000 points EDIT: forgot about the Bald Bull II one hit KO

Thanks for this awesome video bub!!!

To, my initial guess was around 20,000. I revised that to around 50,000 after the von Kaiser fight, when I realized that most fights would need multiple knockdowns, and down to 40,000 after the King Hippo fight. I wound up being a bit high, but in my defense I expected that Mike Tyson and Mr. Sandman would take extra points. I never would've guessed that Soda Popinski was the biggest roadblock!

My guess right after the rundown would be average of 2 knockdowns per fighter (28280), and just round up a bit to account for the majority of punches and maybe the odd star knockdown and I'd guess right around 35,000 points

yeah idk mate. probably like a billion

I guessed 35000, and wow, I was surprisingly close. Nice job managing to eke out a sub-36K score in the end!

It's funny, I always thought that the runs of this game that revolve around points tend to resemble actual boxing matches: Either drawn out fights lots of dodging with a few crucial hits ending the fight (low score), or all out slugfests that are still drawn out (high score).

Spectacular work. I had no idea about the double hit mechanic, and this is just such a fascinating challenge.

Score is one of those parts of Punch-Out I never really considered when playing through it. Though if I remember correctly, its used to determine a win by decision. If that's the case, then I wonder what the lowest possible score is if you are able to play through all fights and win by decision (except for King Hippo probably).

Pap, love how you analyze the game in so many different ways. Always a pleasure watching your vids.

As requested, posting my guess blind before I see the fights, and here's my thought process: You say a regular punch is 10 points, from previous videos we know it does 5 damage, and enemies have 96 HP, so if you regular punch an enemy 19 times, plus one more to deal 1 damage, you'll knock them down once. You get 1010 points for a knockdown and need 3 for a TKO, so that's 10 times 19 plus 1000 is , 1190, times 3 is 3570, so that's my guess for the lowest score on any fight that doesn't have a one hit knockdown. On those fights, it would just be 3030, and on the three fights that have a one hit KO (glass joe, piston 2, bull 2), just 1010. So in total I'm guessing 1010 joe 3570 Kaiser, Piston 1, Don, Hippo 3030 Tiger 3030 Bull 1 1010 Piston 2 3750 Soda 1010 Bull 2 3750 Don 2 3750 Sandman 3750 Macho 3030 Tyson For a total of 39090 being the minimum possible score. Let's see if I'm right!

Love the Spyro music to close out the video ♥️

Min KO points 14,140 Min TKO points 42,420 Guaranteed 1x KO's that I know of: Joe, Hippo, Honda 2. So with all that said, my guess is around 37k'ish adding that most are not perfect KO's / TKO's balanced by not knowing all the KO's which of course saves a ton of points.

Ill be back in 28hours

Idk, probably at least 6 or something. Feels hard to get much lower, maybe 5 with good rng

My headcanon is that Mr. Sandman's real name is Sandra

I'm a simple man, I hear Gundam Build Fighters music, I like the video. Also great work, love the vid!

272622700 points?

Way better title! Good job 👍 can't wait to watch this

That thumbnail goes so hard

So into this exploration of game rules and math via TAS. Subbed!

Seeing a “Low Score” category could be exciting to watch

something neat about Don Flaminco 2... when he does a hook he has a very clear 'worried' face, I just thought that was a nice touch

What a beautifully put together video! I love the music. Thank you for working hard :)

I'm guessing 5000 points, because TAS is magic and I believe in the power of foreshadowing!

Cool vid, Pap!

Awesome job comrade. Shall we consider a low score speedrun category?

I'm guessing... around e points

Technically, if you get knocked down 3 or so times, then you lose. So just don't punch, and your score will be 0

Respect for using SC music. Epic.

i love how glass joe and honda 1 are basically free while kaiser is a road block here

The next thing I’d like to see is a fewest knockouts run. Win every fight by decision except for the five that you have to win by KO.

I never realized how much I needed punch-golf in my life.

good video. I'm glad youtube recommended it.

technically 2240 on don 1 is possible using clockstop (might go lower if you can double hit on hooks, might test that later) but yeah clockstop is obviously a banned glitch. rapid punch storage was used though and idk the ruling on that lol

Wtaf! I’m subbed AND have the bell on and somehow I’m 4 days late to the party. Oh well, new Pap video is a good time regardless of how late I find it

i just wanna say, i love how to go with the other boxers having their wii artwork, mike tyson just has a picture

Imagine going to a major boxing competition only to be made hop up and down over and over, trying to punch your opponent and be optimally knocked down by a 17 year old kid

Excellent, appreciate all your hard work. Question from the chat - In a first frame double punch, what if both boxers would hit zero? I assume Mac goes down?

Tony Hawk music makes an immediate impression the video is gonna be good :) Excellent music choices throughout! Made for some lovely dinner-time watching. Nice to hear some non-NA voices as well for a chance, the Oz cadence makes for a much more easy going watch!

Neko's bet is on Bowser crashing though the roof thinking Princess Peach is here and break the score counter on his way in

I'd say around 80000 points, remember theres five fighters where its impossible to decision win

Low score ends up being a lot like high score, as you had to drag out multiple fights to get the best possible results. It's weird lol

You mean to tell me I got halfway through the game as a kid?! Now I need to play again and beat it

Great video like always Pap❤

Gonna guess around 125k - 150k, closer to 125.

Damn, the tony hawk music really made the nostalgia hit lol

I'm gonna guess 200,000 Glass Joe needing 5k is my guess that they range between 5k and 20k

40:02 great music Btw it'd be interesting to see a video all about double hits. I notice that Don Flamenco takes 5 damage from double hits. So, is it possible for Mac and Don to knock each other down at the same time?

“About that 1 ko I have, I’m about to make it 2” is the coolest line for any fighter to do and you gave it to FUCKING GLASS JOE lmao

I was gonna check this video out via the livestream, but couldn’t start watching until a little later. By that time, the video was on the start of the Von Kaiser fight. Glad I didn’t start on Glass Joe. It was too easy to figure out what his lowest score would be. Lol

"Worst guess gets pinned" Ok, that's just asking people to guess 69,420 or 9,999,999,999,999 points.

5. Place don flamenco 2 with 3,250 points 4. Place von kaiser with 3,340 points 3. Place super macho man with 3,380 points 2. Place mr.sandman with 3,510 points 1. Place soda popinski with 3,520 I didn't expect von kaiser to be on thist list but im happy because von kaiser is my Favourite Punch out Character

This channel is just proof that you can get so much entertainment out of a single NES game, and relay that to so many people. Always here for it, and for the other stuff too like the medievil video. Also knowing nothing about Punch-Out scores and pausing after the first 2 fights, imma throw my guess out and say 43,000. About 3k each average with a 4k on Tyson. Allow me to regret this comment about 20 minutes later when I see the real score be like... 15,000 or something.

Pre-video guess: Minimum points is somewhere around 10,000. Edit: I don't know where my head was at. Not even CLOSE.

okay, hear me out, you find an ACE exploit and set the score to -65,535 using that

I love the OCD triggers over 10 extra points

INSTANT like and full watch just for using that THPS menu music at the beginning lol such an underrated groovy track im betting on... somewhere between 15k and 20k points by the end 🤔

Late to the party as i am, I'm thinking 25,000. Love this content, btw. I couldnt beat Bald Bull 1 if i tried myself but it's fun to see people absolutely tear this game apart. It's so interestingly made. Edit: oh man I was so scared it was gonna be stuck at the 010 and I'm so glad you got lower, I'm really impressed with how this was pulled off

How about the question of: whats the Mike Tyson Punch Out run with the least RNG calls? As in if there are ways to remove "RNG calls" or skip RNG punches by the opponent. Whats the least Mike Tyson punch RNG run?

I can’t bet I’m still trying to comprehend the face mike Tyson is giving me and I fear for my health and safety

i just realized i was watching this for an HOUR

great vid dude (as per usual)

I'll say 42,000. That's 14 fights, at 3,000 points a fight (3 knockdowns for a TKO, each knockdown 1000 points). Punches will add extra points, but some fighters might only need one or two knockdowns for victory

You know, watching this for the first time (months after the fact), when you said that a knock down is 1,010 points, I was immediately like "Okay, so by default it cannot be any less than 14,140 points... but since most of the opponents can't be OHKO'd, it's definitely gonna be higher than that."

That thumbnail is heat 🔥🔥🔥

Man I think..... 10 points? On glass joe because he's such a Chad

Legend says Pap will still read and like comments on 4 month old videos

Honestly I have absolutely no clue the normal amount of points for a game of Punch Out, or even how many a speedrun gets So i'm going to go with maybe 45,000 points? I'm sorry if it's really far off

I forgot this game even had a score counter, I only notice it in Mario games.

My guess is you somehow glitch the game in negative points

Thank you algorithm, this was a delight.

Alright. Let's do some super rudimentary math for my guess. If we pretend that every fighter takes exactly 1 punch to knock down, and always needs to be TKO'd, that's 3030 per fight for 14 fights. That's 42420, to start with. I believe Glass Joe has a KO with a star punch, so that's only about 1600 points for him, but pretty much everyone else we'll be better with the TKO. An average punch does about 5 damage, and the average enemy health bar is like 90ish, I think? Let's also assume half refill every time (this isn't true, but it's handy shorthand). This forces another 360 points on us per fight in non-KO punches. 5040 for all the fights in total. Obviously there's a lot of error and estimation, so let's lower this to the smallest number of significant digits that gets us close. 46000, final guess here at the start of the video.

Probably somewhere in the 40 thousand range? It's also entirely possible there's some crazy glitch I don't know about to reduce score, so I'll go with 20,000!

Since double hits damage both fighters... i wonder if you can get a double TKO?

LBH, if anyone knows how to do this, its mPap. This is beautiful.

I'm going to guess around 38000 points after watching your video on the fewest punches required. I'm guessing it'll be somewhere around there because of the one hit KOs on some of the fights which is only 1010 points per fight. But I'm ready to be surprised

three hundred and twelve duodecillian, factorial

I have never played this game, love these types of videos.

My runs usually get about Graham's number in points, so I'm gonna guess the lowest possible is like googolplex

I lone the "It is time to release the bogus"

Don Flamenco can be optimized by doing the alternating punches, which can result in a 10 count, no?

Been watching paps for years

👍 for the use of "Tomfoolery"