Well it's been a lot of practice hahaha thanks, have the best weekend!

Awesome!

Cheers Brad!

Glad you find this helpful! I've got 3 other videos like this on kick drum technique too if they'd help you, check them out!

Glad it helped!

You can also get those with low or mid tension. It's about developing the control to use whatever tension you desire

hey my double kick doesnt have thoughs metal things that spin and im trying to fix it@@ArtOfDrummingHQ

Yes!

Okay if you are so new I don't recommend max tension at all. It can tire and frustrate you too quickly. Start at medium or halfway. Then as you build strength and speed, tighten it 1 turn every month until you hit your desired tension. I was overzealous in the past and ended up injuring my ankle tendon. Hope that helps!

Ah it ain't perfect, but I did my best and I'm glad you think this is that helpful. Appreciate it alot!

Hey thank you! There are other nuances though that this short video didn't cover. Like every spring and pedal is different. My max tension here is because the dw springs are on the lighter side. If you're using a pearl demon drive for instance, the springs are very stiff, so I won't max them out there.

This video ain't complete though. If you're a beginner you want to gradually increase spring tension. So that you don't overdo your practice intensity which can lead to plateaus and over fatigue. Although it's easier to get the strokes going, every first stroke is harder to push down. Find a good balance for yourself too. Every pedal is different. A max on a dw 5000 is still lighter than a maxed out tama iron cobra. If in doubt try to aim for medium tension, sort of halfway and fine tune from there. Thanks for your kind words :)

You're very welcome!

Sorry this tip is actually outdated and paints only a very small picture. Should be different for different people and all kinds of pedals just based on leg weight and how much force that translates into when we make a stroke. I've been testing this out with all my adult students, my biggest one and my smallest one and the difference is huge

Glad it was helpful!

Hey cheers man! Glad it helps!

Good point, definitely affects pedal responsiveness that way. But it is possible to maneuver the pedal based on controlling the rebound on (Jojo Mayer) He performs it without a spring, super challenging and tough of course, so tight spring will make it easier :D

Cool, hope this helps, although it will take time to get used to the tighter springs and will take some training as well. Appreciate the comment Michael!

I don't recommend playing bare foot for long term especial if you play lots of double bass for 10 years. You can get plantar fasciitis if you do. I injured my right foot and heel after 10 years of drumming barefoot, and now do I have to do it with shoes to make sure I can do this for the longest time possible

glad you like it, thanks!

Hey my pleasure:)

Great that you found what works for you and your gear 👍

You're welcome, hope it helps!

Glad you think so!

Cool rock on!

then you definitely need to loosen it for yourself first. And gradually work it up to your intended level or just keep it as it is if you're able to play all that you want to :D

You're welcome!

Hahaha high five!

Thank you too bro!

You're welcome 😊

That's a good setting for a lot of situations, used to be what I like too, but that's harder to play really fast double bass so I'm at max tension haha. But who knows, I might gain enough facility on my left to dial back down again in the future, thanks for sharing your settings for others!

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ understandable.. i have an iron cobra single pedal and a half as expensive no name brand double pedal.. so i basically only play single pedal. most songs that my band and i play dont require double pedal or at least it doesnt make a significant difference for the audience so i rather use my nice single pedal 😅

depends, like I demonstrated in the video, lower tension also causes the beater to have less momentum for repeated strokes, so if you want to play really fast consistently, you're actually having to activate your muscles more. But it's pros and cons always. You decide your own balance based on your playing styles and goals.

I tend to agree. I started with high tension for years then I started using lower tension since I realized I'm not fighting against the tension and every note I get is a note I intentionally put into motion. Also I used to not port my bass drum cause I liked the deep tone but eventually I tried going ported for awhile (5" on a 22" bass drum). At first right after adding the port I hated it but then I retuned the drum taking into account the new port and then found that I can get an incredibly similar tone to no port. And now I dont get "fluttering" (accendental notes) because the port makes the head less reactive. So again, now every note I get is a note I intentionally put into motion and wanted. If I need fast doubles I use a combination of heel toe (which comes incredibly natural to me) and slide (which took me a few years to finally get a grip on for some reason lol but its incredibly useful since each technique works slightly better for some things than the other but each technique can do any type of double if you take time to develope them). Plus I like very powerful beater strokes with the option to be able to get softer hits just as easily so this setup is conducive to that. A high tension spring and no port is better in my opinion for getting a less powerful softer stroke. But who knows, in another few years I might feel the opposite lol. I doubt I'll change but if I'm resistant to change I wont be able to progress by finding the absolute most ideal settings so I can play my best.

Well said, it's all about finding that balance to suit your playing and physique, and you have the open mindedness to recognize that the future might also invite change. Thanks for sharing your path for others to read 🍻

Agreed. I set my spring tension as loose as it can get and I can honestly say my problem is that I sometimes play TOO fast.

oh yeah I own a direct drive too! But just personally I'm more used to my dw because I play on it way more haha. But direct drives certainly are used by many who can play faster than me.

Have you tried sweetwater.com ? I got mine from their online shop

I'm biased towards the DW5000 but I also have a demon drive. Go to a store or something and try some out for yourself. There are many many great pedals that all play really well but all feel different. I think it's just trying one, sticking to it and making it your best friend in the long term. Hope that helps!

Totally makes a big difference for the left leg :) cheers!

Let me know!

I can't make a heel toe, I'm not good at it, I just use ankle and thighs. Cheers man!

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ ooh brooo ! Cool . No bro. Well do make a video on broken double bass grooves. Cause there some lot of those out there 👍. Cheers man . Loved those Leprous Breakdown videos .

I could make a video on the heel toe. Do you want a video that explains how to master the technique of the heel toe? Because I would love to do one for you.

Ok you're looking for a video regarding the heel toe in the context of double bass drumming. Nevermind then, but I was always thinking it's the same for single bass as it is for double bass pedals. I believe you just have to be a master of the heel toe on a single bass with your right and left foot before moving on to the double pedals.

@@davidhall4401 Hey man thanks for replying to this comment box. Yeah sure man if you could make video on it would be great. I kind of have learned a little bit of "heel toe" double bass playing but it's still not the best . I am not aware of how much tention I need to apply to make my notes sound clearer?

Yeah I oil the moving parts of the pedals every 6 months. But I should probably keep them clean more often. Also I think it's important to know that max tension on different pedals will feel and perform differently. I've basically shown two differences, and what I do on my own pedals but it's important to experiment for yourself and tweak to supplement your practice. Hope this helps!

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ thanks again for the detailed reply. Wish you the best!

Oh yes, the quality of the shaft matters, so on cheaper pedals it might have more impact. But my DW5000s the left pedal doesn't feel exactly the same either, i think it's not achievable because of the need for a shaft. But it is possible to make it super close that you don't feel the difference and practice can overcome it. Took me awhile to get the 2 beaters bouncing with the same timing though haha.

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ Alright! That was some motivation right there. I'll focus on it to tune it better and then to practice the hell out of it! Thanks bro!

@@Musical_Sweetness wishing you the best practice+Patience combo :) and getting the pedals nicely set to work for you. 💪👍

I have to agree. Even at maxed I feel it's a bit lacking. But I don't need to play demon speed though. 😁 I don't play speed metal

Actually I don't use max anymore, unless it's on my cheapest sonor pedals. For my dw it's about 3/4. On my pearl demon drives they're 1/2. Also the left pedal also has lesser tension(5-8 finger turns). Making a more comprehensive video about pedal settings currently after way more testing and proving my settings right and wrong. Every pedal can be very different and every person's weight matters. What pedals do u have?

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'm very new to drumming so I use this very cheap millenim double pedal for like a €100

Glad you like it!

Check out my video on 3 key exercises for double bass. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcuKoM2K0Nytcqs.html I also explain what each exercise is for and give some tips in the video. The summary is my technique uses a blend of thighs and calves. More thighs at lower tempos 140bpm, mix of thigh and calve at mid 160bpm, more calves at high tempos beyond 200bpm. And the 3 exercises are supposed to train both your muscle groups well. Also be very patient with those exercises. Those videos saying you can do it in 30daus or even 90 days is very inaccurate because there are too many other factors involved. Also spring tension, don't go loose. It forces you to rely on thighs too much try mid first and focus on building muscle speed and stamina. And adjust from there

i actually don't know lol. I never remembered whether this was the turbo or accelerator version.

Sure whatever works best for you, I played tons of football young too!

Not as crazy as max tension on an iron cobra. Those guys are HEAVY!

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I love my Iron cobras

Darth Vader? HEHEHE

Yes muscles is always helpful for drumming speed and stamina. Try a medium tension at least and go gradually from there. It will take a few months to build consistently!

Oh no it's a pork pie percussion throne. Its just a similar colour to the Orange County one. Your question would make for a good video and I'll explain everything about seating, to summarize I like to sit a bit higher and closer to the drums for the best ergonomics.

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ Yeah. I wish to see that video too.

Been using this pedal and other similar beaters all my life honestly. Its mostly about the spring tension, the building up of muscles and technique over all those years drumming. A lighter beater would make my job easier though 😁

Go for it!

That's what you're used to and thus more comfortable with :) it can work too for what you want to play

Oh yeah leg days are dope!

😂😂 I'd like that too

What pedal do you use? Some lighter pedals have very light and flimsier springs too. So you might need an upgrade if you want sturdier tighter springs

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'm using the original pdp pedal I got with the kit, ages ago. I have thought about an upgrade, but it's really expensive here in Norway. and since I'm a student, and money is scarce.

Ah ok pdp pedal will have a very light spring. But still just crank it all the way and practice with it. It will be a bit harder when you're going really fast but it will be good training either way. I have a video where I demonstrate a cheap light pedal because someone said I can only play with my expensive pedal, here it is kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hKipf86gq7SbYoE.html

The spring of the sonor pedal is also very light and I had to use more effort to play the doubles and singles in the video demonstration but once you upgrade in the future, all your training will pay off :) and you have the added bonus of being able to play on cheaper or pedals with non optimal setups

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ thankyou for a thorough answer!

Más tensión, respuesta más rápida del pedal, pero más trabajo de tu parte para el golpe inicial. Sin embargo, también puedes jugar con una tensión más baja, pero entrena tus músculos para que trabajen súper rápido como Chris Turner. Aunque eso requiere mucho más esfuerzo para dominar en mi opinión y puedes ver que Chris Turner es el único que juega tan rápido con su tipo de técnica de solo muslo.

Gradually train up if fast double bass without too much extra effort is what you want. I didn't go all the way to max. I cranked a couple turns every 2 weeks until it was maxed. And it got uncomfortable too definitely but then my speeds started increasing more steadily.

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'll try it. Thanks!

Get a new spring

Change to sturdier springs, or just change the pedal if you're unable to

hope u get to upgrade further down the road, but cheap pedals are still great for practicing!

I gradually cranked it up over 6 months, all the way up can be too difficult for your muscles to adapt but we'll see how it goes :)

Definitely helps

SOme people swear by longboards though. It's really a personal thing just like all drumming gear is. But I agree with you on DW though, we're biased heheheh :D

Wrong trick pro 1v big foot longboard low mass are the absolute best pedal on the market

Thank you, I do have drums. If you want a set, I hope you're able to get one in the future. Have the best week!

It could be one of the many factors, try experimenting with tension and play around with it for a few weeks. Took me awhile of adjusting and experimenting with different pedals and my current pedal too. I understand there are differences between all pedals, like max tension on my dw5000s would not be the same exact responsiveness on let's say a DW9000 or a TAMA iron cobra for example. So they key is to get the responsiveness to where it swings fast enough naturally for your liking and also helps support the weight of your leg. Cheers man thanks for sharing!

😂 Smooth pedals do help

I can highly recommend tama dyna sync pedals. Been amazing for me 😁

@@real_launnie_mvp3793 nah bro saving up for eliminators or axis long boards

@@BBeanZZ oooooh, go the axis for sure 😁🤘

Yes I'm using the plastic side instead of the felt side for more beater attack because of the styles I play more frequently and I also prefer this sound. Some beaters are made like this with a dual sided purpose. Some are not though (those full felt ones, full wood ones, or full plastic ones)

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I may try that I never thought of that but I started noticing that many guys do the same thing I'm going to try it myself thank you

Stupid beginners 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hey what's up Patrick, are you okay?

my boy… you need to listen to more music haha there’s so many genres that use double kicks

@@grammarpolice7339 Well.....as your name would say it, reading Grammer isn't your specialty I see. I never said ANYTHING about double kicks, but I did say something about the SPEED HE IS "USING". I use a double kick DW5000 but never do I need or have seen that type of speed in a song or one that uses it. Pay attention......

@@billbobagginsbonham9239 my bad but still my point stands and i’m not trynna be rude or anything i’m just saying especially in music like deathcore the speed is commonly used by bands like lorna shore, slaughter to prevail, thy art is murder, and literally everyone in that genre

Agreed, alex rudinger, chris turner, virgil Donati. Lots of speed metal is way faster than even I can play. So there is a use. You may might find it useless, but many people dig this kind of speed and music. Putting down people ain't cool Bilbo

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'll say this !! RINGO!!! I don't know any of those other dudes, but the name and the SIMPLICITY of his drumming made him "(MILLIONS)"

Meaning it's really stiff? What pedal and how old is it, if you could describe to me more, I can help better

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ it's a famcgou alloy double bass pedal and it's about 5 years old

This pedal has a very light spring so you need to max out the spring tension.@@Haydenowjdbjaiwjdbhdjjbdjwiwjf

That's cool, glad you found your ideal settings and sharing it here!

@@ArtOfDrummingHQ yeah I'm just slowly building up my bpm I'm at 180 at the moment