Sure but now you have a 100 point unit that got you a couple of secondary points and did no damage…. You’ll end up losing that trade, damage and vp wise, and that’s not to mention if they have a way to deepstrike within 3, which is fairly common, or just move through a wall and come out behind you…. Or use a move shoot move unit… or anything with flu… etc.. moral of the story just don’t take storm guardians, they are sooooo bad 😂

Yeah, I should have covered this. Depending on how the meta shakes out, there could be something here- even ways to make multiple objectives stick in a turn. I just wish Storm Guardians were a bit cheaper- like 100pts might be okay, or honestly even 90

If you want sticky objectives it’s a better bet to go with Y’nnari and take kabalites in venoms they give it to transports they are in

Agreed, it does feel like it's taking away from our play style a bit which sucks. Also as its d6 is is basically reliant on Fate dice in order to make the cp spend worthwhile. I feel like it taking away from wraith constructs would of been nicer. I'm just going to try and use it to pass in and out of ruins walls i suppose.

Fuegan is great both on his own or in a Falcon with friends. It's about time the deep strike/rapid ingress was clarified. It was just silly we couldn't get a unit out when a Falcon came in. Double Falcon and double Fire Dragons with Fuegan are back in my fun lists. 🙂

3rd party Fuegans are great. ;)

Woot!

Make Aeldari Great Again ✊🏻

Spot on and guardians defenders have more worth again also. These changes give the index more internal balance

He's still pretty bad and expensive for everything else besides his fate dice. I just tried a game with him with the changes last night. He's just so fragile to have all his abilities trigger off of line of sight and 18"

@@CameronMassey-qd9yk it’s a shame he doesn’t have the regular foot Farseer fate dice rule

@@aidandoyle5075 it really is. I'd assumed he did all edition and checked after making my list and was so confused why he didn't. He's one of the best psychers in the 40k universe but he's worse than a regular farseer, doesn't make much sense. As a 9th ulthwe player it certainly saddens my psycher soul. Hopefully the codex one day will give him some love.

@@CameronMassey-qd9ykif you have another farseer in the list please eldrad can serve as the “beacon” for the FD flip ability, as he does have the farseer keyword

To be fair, Farseers were pretty much already auto include.

@@Lashkor Fair enough.

At least with the 9th edition Battle Focus, you could run the Biel-Tan Attribute and guarantee a minimum of a 3" move. Now we've got a much worse Strands of Fate and much worse Phantasm

I just struggle with hitting on 4s at that point cost

@@WBConcilio absolutely!

​@@WBConcilio Plug in a spiritseer and that would make it work.

​@@joshharasty838I think it becomes wildly overcosted at that point. I can't bring myself to pay another 65 points for the stats that should be inherent at 160.

i think running them with a spiritseer with the weeping stones will be the way to go if you do. U can peek the corner of one, blast with bright lances, kill a unit, get 2 fate dice, and phantasm back to cover. It's a good unit for casting fortune on and it's a good late game bully unit.

Will do

I agree with you on the Phantasm change as well, should have gone D3 +3 or even D6 +1 would have made it just that tad less risky on it failing to get you where you need to be. Personally I think it was balanced after the previous nerf

I mean, that would make sense; however, the Craftworld Saim-Hann is not pronounced, "SOW-IN" even though the only possible derivation of the name is the celtic holiday called "Saim-Hann" and pronounced, "SOW-IN." As far as I am aware, the pronunciation of Fuegan has always been anglicized in the same way

Yeah, I agree. If I could change one thing about how GW does dataslates it would be to add some improvements to wildly underperforming units in factions that still have solid win rates

Yeah, breadth of collection IS a problem when trying to tone things down for casual play, especially without multiple detachments and stratagem sets to pick from while we wait for a codex. Aeldari definitely can be casual, but if your friend has 2400 points of the best units only, that's going to be really limiting

Check the "Inevitable Death Rule" on the Yncarne. It can teleport to the location of a unit destroyed during your turn. You can, for example, kill something in your opponent's backfield in the shooting phase, teleport the Yncarne- shoot something with the Yncarne and charge in the charge phase. As for the Dragons, the 9" rule only applies if the Falcon comes out of deep strike. You can start it on the table, move it 14" and jump the Dragons out another 3", increasing the melta range of the regular Dragons to 23" and slightly more for the Exarch with the Fire Pike

Thanks!!

I am not sure I quite understand this question? (Sorry, I might just be being dumb.( Wraiths work more or less as they did, it's just ranged Wraiths are more expensive and all Wraiths are a bit slower without Phantasm. You could certainly use them that way.

@@WBConcilio Basically asking if this is the optimal choice since we effectively lost phantasm and the ability to shoot at a different target. Treating them more as a strong screening unit instead of a mid field objective holder. Its adding a lot of cost to a 5 model unit though. Only other option I would see would be reserves and possibly using rapid ingress. I'm not sure if taking that many points off the board for 1 unit is wise.

I think you might find this is not the case. A lot of the less good stuff that needed fate dice to work also needed to be able to use several 4+s in a single phase, or to put it another way was dependent on the original rules. What less good units are you worried are now much worse with fewer dice? As for mono-builds, do be fair, there wasn't a great deal of variance in the GT lists doing well before the nerf. I think there is more depth in the index that we haven't needed to reach for just yet, but we will see

@@WBConcilio :) im not really worried about a specific unit. My point was more about how we will now build armies. With 12 dice i felt fine not bringing any fate manipulation units. You can rely on 2-3 sixes being rolled and then you can reroll 3-4 times when getting catastrophic bad rolls to get those 2-3 sixes. This would allow an army with no manipulation to have 2-3 of those really cool overwatches or devastating hits. I feel at 6 you should get 0 or 1 six. This means your only cool army "schtick" is now nullified. And your right rerolling when you only have 6 dice ........ Well ya probably not going to happen cuz that really screws up the odds. What does this mean?? Well, like you said now since you are now likely to not get even 1 six, you have to find a way to make them turn into 6's. That means an army tax of a farseer. But i liked being confident in having lists with no farseers! And your right we will see them way more often attached to defenders now. I was starting to like them with a couple warlocks. Also at 6 d6, which essentially cuts it in half, think about what round you usually run out or get low? If you use 1 per phase, hahahaha wow just thought about it but you might be out by round 1 (unlikely tho). Round 2 is more realistic... So with the changes our fast movement isn't our "thing" any more (fate dice can't be used on phantasm hehe) hmmm sooo what is our schtick? What makes our army different? Well, 3toughness??? Not really many other glass cannons in the game. I always imagined the fate dice represented eldar being hella old race of super consistent at fighting from having done it for eons, representing that although physically we were diminutive our training and skill were top notch. Well that will last for about 1 1/2 rounds now....... Unless bringing more manipulation. For example i usually face a tyranid player. Average round lets say. I move and he fires crazy weapon, i use a 5 for a save. I shoot, use a farseer to make a 6 for dmg with bright lance somewhere (doesn't kill the tyranid monster btw). Tyranid turn, he moves, use brightlance overwatch turn another one into a farseer 6. (Hive tyrant makes 4+ invo) his shooting phase, use a 4+ for a save. Fight phase use another save. Well round 2 starts and you have 1 die left its a 2 (can you imagine without a farseer???) With out a farseer you would have 1 good die to use. I think with 12 dice you can risk no manipulation or very little. At 6d6 i will always bring some now. I just hate the always part. I love diversity in lists and i think this hurts that. Like i am totally okay with point increase for wraithgaurd because now there is a reason to bring the blades. I don't know tho. I guess i will try a list first with no manipulation to see how it goes, but I don't see it going well and I don't think it will feel eldari hehe

Well Guardians, Wraithlords and Farseers just got more valuable due to less fate dice, so the CP box got slightly better.

@@OniGanon Yeah, I considered making Storm Guardians, but Defenders seem worth it now.

Oh, I think your Biel-tani elves still have some game, even though Phantasm hurts

That would have been fine

@@WBConcilio 3 to 7 inch still usable but not get outa jail free

🤣

Also, three cheers for Drukhari, I'll have to look into Ynnari now

That would be awesome

Losing the pistol keyword in that means that they cant soot back at a unit that has charged them dosnt it?

@@aaronobrien2353 right

Hahaha! Awesome. Great point.

​@@WBConcilio A bit irrelevant but what color did you use for the Autarch's blade. I'd like to emulate it

Long-live double Fire Prism FF!

Yes. That did not change.

There's a big difference between starting with 12, rerolling a few times and ending with 4-5 compared to starting with 6 and basically being unable to reroll.

If you were ending with 4-5 then you weren’t using them enough. Plain and simple.

56is the low projection. Most data sites put them closer to 59/60….

@joshramirez2049 fair 👌🏼 I'm only going off what the GW data for Win Rates was saying haha

Hahaha. I have been playing more with my nids recently too. Broodlords and 10 Genestealers are even better post dataslate- and you can give on Synaptic lynchpin to trigger better versions of strats now for fewer points than the same unit with no upgrade before the dataslate

"Once per phase, before making a dice roll for a model or unit from your army with the Strands of Fate ability, " Nope rules still say once per phase.

Sadly not: that part of the rule didn't appear in the dataslate because it was not altered. We are still limited to one fate dice per phase (which, considering our new limitations, we won't be able to afford without building part of the list around fate dice generation and manipulation)

I mean... it can still teleport, just not multiple times a turn. You can still pop something in your opponent's backfield with long range fire and drop in a terrifying durable combat monster and that can shoot and charge same turn.

@@WBConcilio yes you are right and that can win a game if you time it right but then you most likely lose the unit and that’s 350 pts of your army gone they should have just changed his ability back to what it was in 9th if they thought it was too strong the way it is now because it was never an issue before

I was wondering about that too, and I am not sure that is true actually. Dragons are a trading unit; Fuegan is durable; Spectres don't need it; Scorpions can still screen, Spiders and Hawks still score; Reapers take a hit for sure, but if they probably just need to not roll 1. I mean, don't get me wrong- it definitely makes an already tricky archetype trickier, but I am not sure that it actually prevents Aspect lists from being viable

@@WBConcilioI’d say it was most useful on dire avengers or warp spiders… dire avengers getting the free ow on an obj then phantasm was very good, but now it’s veryyyy difficult to position it( really not possible most of the time now) and warp spiders bc they aren’t a cheap unit that you need to get value from.

I don't think I said this separates good Eldar players from bad ones- I certainly did not intend to say that. I said that the limitations to the Yncarne will not affect how the majority of players will use the model. I still think the ability to use a Farseer to auto-hit with overwatch or automatically do 8 damage with a bright lance is very powerful, and for under 150 points of list alterations, you will be able to have a similar number of fate dice to what you had before if you really need it. But I guess we will just have to see how it shakes out

@@WBConcilio not regarding the Yncarne and good play/bad play, when you were showing about fate dice. Entirely possible that I misunderstood cause I listened to it late XD I think Eldrad is the most reasonable fate dice booster, I'm still not sure Guardians cut it at 110 points. They're just overcosted for what they bring. The real blow with fate dice is the lack of ability to reroll. If you roll poorly you're solely reliant on your Farseer making up the difference, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

So true