Sit down with myself was WAY lighter and it got the message across just fine

@@tahraethestoryteller6079 the problem comes when the movie wanted to also have another massage, not just on cutting trees.

Ya, we were robbed

The problem with this film was that the original book could get away with story narratives that a movie with the "family friendly" label can't. The book was designed to speak to anyone, and it was designed to be understood by everyone. But because The Lorax is a family film, you're gonna just have to make compromises.

Yep I can tell kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kMh1Y9N6xNm-j6M.html

"This is what I call Pride!" -The Lorax-

Go figure eh?

Now THAT is a critique of capitalism

Uhm, in the way I see it, The Lorax doesn't criticizes capitalism but criticizes a side-effect of it that is consumerism

@@genarovargas5661 No, it is most certainly critiquing capitalism. Consumerism isn't a "side-effect," it's a facet of every capitalist society. The Once-Ler (at least in the book and cartoon) sells thneeds with inherent knowledge of the damage thneeds cause to the environment and its inhabitants. He deliberately ignores the Lorax to make a profit and facilitate the growth of his factories. Even after the final tree is cut and his empire collapses, as the video highlights, the Once-Ler still requires you PAY him for the story of how HE killed the land. At the end of the day, he is still fixated on making a profit to the point where he turned his greatest failure and "sin" into a marketing point. Only after telling the child the story does he realize what the Lorax meant by "Unless," but refusing to give up what little ego he has left, he leaves it up to "us," the child to fix his mistake, as so many companies do. Companies pollute the Earth and yet we are the ones who must recycle, they destroy the ozone and yet it is us who need to stop using hairspray, they chop down the trees yet it is us who need to stop buying the product. The Lorax is great for it highlights the two sides of the problem, the company which creates the problem, and the people who fail to fix it through negligence and ignorance. We carry the burden of their mishaps and in most cases intentional malpractices and yet all too often do we refuse to fix the issue. The Thneed is the representation of consumerism, the needless buying of products which do not benefit us in anyway and yet companies claim we require them. The Once-Ler represents both the CEO and the Company at hand, the people who create the product and thus create the issue. The boy is obviously a representation of us, the people. If the Lorax only criticized consumerism then the core message would fall flat because it fails to highlight the larger issue, which IS capitalism. The Lorax failed to convince the Once-Ler to stop, he gate-kept the Lorax's wisdom because he would not dare tarnish his own name. It's clear we've failed both the Once-Ler and the Lorax, the one who gave the message and the one who explained it. It's been nearly 50 years since the Lorax was crafted and the the state of the world has only worsened.

- The words of a wise person

And that’s a fact

A-fine-something-that-all-people-need.

I’m learning it on guitar just to flex

@@LuSteyx ABSOLUTE MONARCH

I AM THE BORAX I SPEAK FOR THE DRAINS but like yeah i agree

@@GlaceonStudios Haha whoops, I didn't realize I made a typo. That was just a thing my tablet's autocorrect did and I failed to catch it.

@@LoraCoggins I assumed so.

I think the Once Ler did know what it means Ted cares for him and as a result Onceler cared for Ted back and trusts him with the seed. And you think that onceler didn’t try to help the environment but everyone resurfaced over and over again until it became too much to handle and locked him away along with a seed that he hopes that someone cares like the unless well and try to do something about the world that person is his grandson, Ted Wiggins. He puts his faith on him and as a result of Ted’s bravery and unwillingness to suffer the same fate like his grandfather, he succeeded to change the minds of everyone in Thneedville because of someone that cared about him a whole awful lot like his mother and grandmother along with Audrey. When Ted came around, everything changed because everything wasn’t better for Edward Wiggins(Middle Name: Robert/Onceler’s name in my version) because no one cared about him and he grown worse due to the emotional trauma and guilt he is suffering through. Once Ler doesn’t deserve to spend years of his life hating himself for something that is incredibly human to do in grieving and self loathing. Once Ler got the happy ending he deserved and I hope that onceler will spend the rest of his days making the world a better place for everybody. (This is my version and I’m aiming to imply that he has a loving wife Norma and a daughter named Helen)

@@GlaceonStudios I am the Lorax I Speak for the Trees

personally, i really hate that lyric.

@@extrablandchaos2149 honestly I do too

I love the idea your getting at, but I feel like it might flow a little better as, "how bad could it be, if there's still more than just one tree". Granted, I haven't heard the song in a really long time.

@@tortis6342 maybe How ba-aa-ad can it be? If there's still more than one tree?

@Kellan I like yours honestly a lot better than the one in the comments

But it would kinda be wrong since she likes the trees for materialistic reasons and the usefulness of them. Like in the movie where I think she said she wanted one in her yard.

that’s true but it was for the wrong reasons, she doesn’t care about the trees, she just wanted a tree because it was exotic and something she didn’t already have, the same reason a lot of teens care about phones

the lorax?

She lacked the will

@@jeremyghostland8155But then maybe she could learn that the value of nature from the tree is more important that the material value, so that could be a lesson in the movie as well.

Yeah it sure seem that way.:/

It's because since it's a "family friendly" movie, and the company producing it doesn't want to make itself look ugly, you can't do much about it.

I mean lets be honest, abandoning it midway wasn't the creators choice.

@@tomfougstedt Maybe not, but I'm still dissatisfied about how this studio went about handling the preservation of the timeless story. Upon looking around at some of the early movie concepts, some of the original ideas and scenes that were scrapped were FAR better fits for the morals this story is supposed to convey. Namely, the cut song, "Biggering". And their reasoning for cutting such scenes boils down to that mere fabrication that it is "too much for kids to handle"

@@vibes8930 Exactly, the higher-ups didn't let them do the story they wanted(which would've included stuff like Biggering) because it hit a bit too close to home.

HOLY GODS! I love this concept.

Awesome

This is BRILLIANT

based

Somebody get this dude a production studio

i guess 7 people want to wake up kneeless

15 people are now knee-less

wait wha-

you get two extra knees for liking

@@moss5356 Wh-- Does this mean I have four knees now?

yesssss

At first I didn`t realize, I needed all this stuff.

@@alienfrograbbitchannelmove4229 I had a little cottage, and that cottage was enough...

A place where I could sit and knit...

@@PLAGUE-KARM a place where I could sell my Thneeds...

It was a criticism of consumerism at the same time that the plot was very different, and that Ted was a greedy child who only wanted a tree to show off to others.

That sounds so cool. I wish they went with that concept

Also o Hare sings : i sell them something they can get for free while in the original its i sell them something they Should get for free Just something i noticed

yes! that was one of the first things i noticed in the movie which i loved. unlike some people in the comments, aspects of the messages were not too bad and it is clear to the main audience, but i still agree that the overall message should’ve been handled better.

@@byersvhs The movie has some really good things about it. I think the main problem is the double standard. They make an entire movie about saving nature while advertising the movie with cars that destroy nature.

Love this

yea it was real good

Where is your icon from?

Exactly the 500th like!

How g-o-od can this video be? its just talking bout some trees How go-od can this video be? Its talking about biggering how go-od can this video be? how bad can it possibly be?

I'm sorry you have a parent who does that. My mom loves Greta Thumberg, but doesn't really do much about Climate Change(except having an electric car, and cutting a bit down on using plastic). Truthfully I don't do as much as I should either and I'm trying to do more since I think it's a really big issue because so many people just put the fate of our planet on the back burner instead of actually doing nothing.

@@teardrop6392 well to be real the only significant thing you could do is to get your house to be solar or wind powered aswell, reducing the consume of less plastic is important too, but reusing shit is the most important thing, take taht in count

@@msmlolmanpolybrige0335 south america is 69 parallel universes ahead of you buddy

@@hipopino hum i live there and no that is not true lol, people still dont do shit for the enviorment :p

@@hipopino ohh nvm i get it, yeah we re use the plastic bags, you know, the plastica bag drawer

In response to your question, the movie was going to be darker and cruder, being faithful to the book, there are 9 demos and they are the following: -thneedville demo -The Once-ler's Traveling Madness -This Is the Place -I Love Nature -You Need a Thneed -Nobody Needs A Thneed -Everybody Needs a Thneed -Biggering -Let It Grow Gospel Ending (Demo) They are the demos of the movie that were going to be the filler of the movie since it was going to be a MUSICAL. Ted was going to be a greedy kid who wanted a tree to show off to others of course he changes when he hears the whole story of the once-ler. the once-ler was someone shameless and cynical and more greedy despite changing due to ambition from the beginning it was not going to be good also that he knew what he was doing but he did not care as the song tells us. The lorax was going to be more serious as the biggering song indicates. O'Hare was more serious about being mature and even showed his true intentions. The citizens knew what was happening in the city but they did not care, they became conformists to the point of seeing it normal. all this led to one of the darkest animated films, with a crude and more direct message

@@estela654 DAMMIT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SUCH A GOOD MOVIE. 😭 Mind you, 8 year old me loved The Lorax, but 19 year old me wants this darker version of the movie instead now. Especially Biggering.

all the demos of the movie are much better than the official ones

the boy was going to be greedy and materialistic, he even has a discarded song about him wanting a tree to show off to others

That romance thing was so unnecessary and forced in there, I hoped for a fresh take on these types, showing more or less the big flaws such as being too spoiled

hi junko

Likewise I'm a millennial and while I read the book and saw the cartoon when I was a kid, I saw the movie at a time when the weight of what it represented impacted me a lot more.

I'm a millennial and I saw the movie first. Still haven't found the book to read nor have I seen the original cartoon.

Tbh as a gen z I agree lol

As a fellow gen Z, I can agree that we are extremely chaotic

could you elaborate on why you hated it? i’m just curious

Why do you hate it?

Ted could be the Two's-Ler

​@@6ix_4our twice-ler

I have a theory that Ted is actually The Once-ler's Grandson

@@6ix_4our O'Hare could be the Twice-ler, Ted's the Third-ler.

@@reptilerandykrusha6426 The Onceler Is Too Tall For O'hare To Be The Twice-ler

Dang that's deep

Regarding Ted, i think it'd be impactful if he was more or less the kind of kid who was spoiled a lot and just wants more (the thneedville demo gives a glimpse of that original concept), it wouldve given him contrast with the onceler, and wouldve made a better character arc with his selfish ways slowly turning into realization

@@harbour2118 the thneedville demo didn't say that the plot was very different and that ted was a selfish kid who only wanted a tree to show off to others.

@@estela654 well its implied he would be, the kid is singing how he wanted the things he doesnt have, a tree is the most likely candidate since all he does have are plastic and fake, aybe not selfish but definitely spoiled and needy

You're gay?

@@piretiris8223 I'm bi.

Ok

A boy with a former crush on the once-ler, who openly admits this? Now that is truly unique!

@@thefunnyman8073 ideed my guy

Don't worry. I have officially revised and rewritten the script of The Lorax (2012).

@@danielsvetlichny5721 yeah can we see it?

@@danielsvetlichny5721 I too would like to see it.

I am The Lorax, I speak for The Tree's If You cut one down, You'll wake up with no Thneed's

It's all for money. They've converted old farmland and forests near me into these tall apartment complexes. It's been a few years since completion and from what I heard from neighbors is that half the units aren't even occupied. The land was formerly owned by the town and of course they say yes when the developer offers them millions of dollars for it. One plot of about a dozen acres near me sold for $7 million. They don't care that there's not even enough people to live there and now we're stuck with an ugly half empty complex, just that they're getting a big check. Not even mentioning all the wildlife habitat that got destroyed.

I remember IHOP one especially 😅

that's actually kinda sweet.

@@tortis6342 well, he cheated on her while she was suffering with cancer.

@@noemisanchez5749 what a charming individual.

@@noemisanchez5749 and I oop-

This way O'Hare isn't just a one-note villain he also has the backdrop of being the onceler who's hiding the secret of destroying the environment Is a way of padding out the story more but without having to add more characters just adding more characterization

That would have been awesome

would have been amazing

What?

I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees. And the trees speak Vietnamese.

Agreed.

That could have been an interesting idea if it had been executed well. Maybe he could be human, once. But as he descends deeper and deeper into his pride and greed, less and less of his humanity is shown, until he becomes something alien, cruel and unjustifiable. Instead of ignorant, make him calculated. From a person, he changes into a faceless embodiment of the greedy corporate destruction. A caricature. Make him have some humanity, just to make it so much more impactfull when he finally, and completely willingly, chooses to abandon all of it in pursuit of wealth and power. Instead of the 'oh no, dear me, my familly is pressuring me into doing something I don't want to, but oh well, how bad could it be? I'm destroying the world? My bad, who could've seen it? Oh well, too late!', change it into something along the lines of 'I saw the risks. I know what I'm doing, and I do all of it for myself, and myself only. I want so much more, and I'm never satisfied. I'm destroying the world? Fine. Let it burn, until I gain everything, until I squeaze every last bit of reasources from this earth, _let it burn_ .'

@@astraregulus2672 That's actually a great idea that I've never heard anyone suggest before. I would love to watch a version of the Lorax like that.

Nope, making the Once-Ler human was the right thing to remind us that anyone with a good heart can become corrupted by greed, but giving him no face was still the better idea, to show us that he can be anyone.

I disagree with you there. Making the Once-ler human, shows how good intentions can still have bad consequences. The billionaires killing the planet are personified in O'Hare. I thought this video made that clear.

Your poor thing :,)

Look up "biggering" it's an early version " of how bad can I be" that is a lot better (and darker )

All of the demo songs/ cut out stuff seems better.

Blasphemy.

I gotta disagree there- The songs are a banger, but they needed Biggering, it was much better than any of the others and darker.

And Ted was a simp, which ruined the whole movie.

Ya, but it's so fricking annoying how the message is still being targeted at the new generation(Gen Z) and basically telling them that ONLY they can change the world, and the older generation doesn't have to take the blame for what they have done.

@@teardrop6392 I hadn't gotten that far in the video when I made the comment. But I totally agree! Why is it their job?! Their responsibility to clean up their messes?

@@shadowpuppet8192 yeah even thought Gen-Z should still do something it shouldn’t be only us, it should be everyone or even just the older generation because they were the ones who caused the problem and is still encouraging it/doing it. There’s only a few options right now which is recycling and trying to save our nonrenewable resources which most people don’t even do because they prefer to throw away things and still drive when you could easily walk. I always thought it was weird how adults said “oh the world sucks but y’all gonna be to fix our problem that we caused for us alright kiddos :)” like what we’re literal children and your adults who buy things and decide to do dump oil into the sea. Adults are terrible nowadays and barely good.

@@ahhhamy4667 Millennial here. We're trying to fix things while also trying to keep our own heads afloat.

@@shadowpuppet8192 This film was actually Audrey Geisel's idea, who is Dr. Seuss's wife. Chris Meledandri who founded Illumination was an executive Producer for Horton Hears a Who. Since that film got decent reviews, Audrey trusted Chris M/ Illumination to do another Seuss story properly. BOY she must have felt betrayed!!!!!!

in fact if it started like this originally

I didn’t see the 2012 animation- it when It came out- I first saw it a year ago and omg I SOBBED! The idea of him striving after this success and validation to be LOVED- and failing to see and accept the paradise in front of him. And when he can’t be this successful person anymore the love goes, because it was only conditional. Because if you can’t accept true love and keep going after this toxic validation you hurt everyone who loves you and yourself, but if you let it go and embrace true love then you will have to accept you have never really been loved before

yess, the onceler (older gen.) should no longer hide away anymore, and start helping ted (young gen.) to restore their environment

Paper mainly comes from recycled paper and forest gestion as well as leftovers of wood crafting. Deforestation is not caused for paper. It is caused for food. Meat especially.

@@blade7y156this honestly, i’m so sick and tired of people thinking that paper is the biggest problem, when it is in fact good to cut down a few trees, to give new trees space to live, and as you say, it is often made of leftovers from carpentries it’s just bad when we don’t do it responsibly

Yh it has

The trees wouldn't have been harmed if the lorax was armed

fr

If he really spoke for the trees, he should’ve shot his knees

Which country is that?

what about him speaking out about to the townsfolk in the ending about what happened

Not only that, but with the oncler he has also been pressured by his family- this idea that under a capitalist system your worth is inherently tied to your value and how much success you can bring. It makes you crave validation and admiration. Not only is that a system wide thing but it can start and come from family and honestly it makes it feel so much more real and emotional to me. Like last year when I first saw it I was SOBBING! But also like he is unable to accept the real love that is around him from the Lorax and the forest, meaning that he will destroy himself and them in the process, because he wants to be loved so badly by his family. He is seeking this conditional toxic love and it destroys real love he could have had.

I don't know what you mean, are your ears full of beans?

Noooooo, stop the rhymes TnT

@@megyumiyoshi1062 It is far too late, you've sealed your fate.

Once-Ler was unaware of the damage he was doing at first, and eventually became aware and prioritized his bottom line without thinking about replanting.

wow that's great your argument is amazing

Funny thing is, the last part of the HBCIB lyrics were used in Biggering as well