I didn't know this show existed, and now I kind of wish I didn't know it existed

I'm confused do you think " Heather's the musical " is " Heather's the movie? Because you don't seem to know that the musical has stuff added... and called the movie the original series... Anyhow this show sucked.

@@graffic13I kept misspeaking but I also do know much more about the musical than the movie and while I’m embarrassed that came through that’s on me I DEFINITELY should’ve rewatched the movie before scripting this 🤦🏻‍♀️

The fact that I tried to like... Remaster the instrumental in this song in bandlab is crazy

the time period is such an important part of the story because it's calling out a niche sub culture that just doesn't exist in the same way anymore. modernizing it and especially in this way where the heathers are all minorities is utterly baffling because it goes against the entire point of the story. did anyone involved even watch the musical let alone the movie itself

When I describe why Heathers is a dark comedy I usually describe it to people as a pre-Columbine movie. ans the musical sticks to that with keeping the setting. this is just a mess

i can't say it couldn't work outside an 80's setting, but this shit show was not it

Exactly! In the 80s, casual racism, homophobia, and misogyny was kind of the norm and you see a lot of it throughout the original movie (well, the racism not so much, but you get the idea). It's a time period that excused that kind of behaviour and Heathers was not afraid to call it out. That's why it was so ahead of its time.

Basically because all American teenagers in the 80s were sociopaths. Lol

They did it They made a show that appeals to nobody

​@@MissJukeBox8😂😂

at least now we know where velma got the inspo

I mean, it's very clearly conservative propaganda lmao. It's some crazy opposite-land where minorities are the REAL oppressors!

@@MissJukeBox8it unites everyone to hate it

Exactly. Off-Braodway version is the GOAT.

this, and also that one riverdale episode 💀

Don't bring up the Riverdale version-

I can confirm we would never claim the series

True.

Didn’t a lot of the students in the original only pretend to care about Heather C and Kurt and Ram because they wanted to be popular?

@@GalaxyJakeYT yeah they did! Veronica even tells JD that a girl on who was talking about Heather TV "hated Heather"

The point is, popular individuals today aren't confined to the stereotypical image of blonde, skinny girls. The narrative has evolved to embrace diversity - popular girls can be black, plus-sized, gay, or from various backgrounds. In 2020, the dynamics have shifted; it's not about perpetuating outdated stereotypes. Also, considering today's reality, the notion that only white kids misbehaving fits the popular narrative is an outdated perspective. The landscape has changed, and our understanding should too.

but they haven't though it may seem like that online but in real life the status quo has remained fairly similar to that of the past @@charliefan9516

@@charliefan9516 The popular girls are pretty similar nowdays lol. Maybe they're more "diverse" and aren't really 3. But they still fulfill the other stereotypes.

That burn was so fire Heathers is gonna need a slushie

Literally like i wouldnt wield my identity as a weapon against ppl but i was a loud queer kid with undiagnosed adhd n a passion for social issues during the mid 2010s (which is probably the real archetype they based the characters on) n most ppl just thought i was annoying n while i did get ppl to mostly stop saying bigoted shit around me it wasnt bc they were scared of being cancelled it was bc they didnt wanna get lectured by me for the 20th time on why they shouldnt be using the f slur

Santana Lopez from glee was the only exception to this trope in my opinion without it being too cringey

​@@GlamClan-xe3ziShe wasn't part of this trope at all in my opinion. She didn't leverage her sexuality against anyone, nor did it give her any social credits once she was forcibly outed. She was a bully as a presumed straight girl, and people just kinda left her alone afterwards.

That's even more infuriating because "woke bullies" (for lack of a better word) will more often use progressive language to target minorities.

Blue is opposite for subtractive color (cmyk / paint) but green is opposite for additive color (rgb / light). Definitely agree with you though

Yeah blue and red are usually used to depict enemies and whatnot, like Fire and Water 🔥💧

​@@KingOfGaymesholy shit, Yami spotted out in the wild 😭

I was tryna say this but couldn't think of how to phrase it! you totally killed it!

Errmmm actually the opposite of red is cyan

That’s saying something because I fucking HATED that episode with all of my theatre kid heart.

I agree, this was so trash that I now have to compliment the Riverdale version.

they only committed to it for an episode, that was a low bar to pass

Damn, that’s depressing because in a show that’s already considered the Chernobyl of teen shows, that Heathers musical is usually topping the Worst Episodes list

IMO, Riverdale did it with ignorance rather than disrespect. It's like a five-year-old singing Queen Of The Night. Yeah, it's terrible but what else were we expecting?

That’s actually so cool! I remember really liking the idea of the heaven prom despite the show being… what it was

she corrupted the show that's why it was saur bad

Jd's mom is definitely supposed to be Heather Duke. They have the same actor, she has the red scrunchie she stole from Heather's locker, and she says "pulling on my dick," which was Heather Duke's line in the movie

i think you're conflating the original with the musical remake. betty is veronica's friend in the original, but martha is the one who attempts to kill herself. martha and veronica aren't friends in the original until the end.

@@techi4584ah I see I never knew that

@@sleepylionking1103 you’ve probably never seen the original movie then. i’d really recommend it, especially if you consider yourself a fan of the musical remake.

I feel like in the original it’s even more impactful because Martha is completely apart from the Heathers and Veronica and JD. She is the only completely innocent bystander in the story and faces absolutely horrific consequences simply because she was fat. It’s sort of disgusting the way they changed things around. Even the way things change in the musical is a little iffy. Martha’s suicide attempt is the most important part of the entire movie specifically because of her place in the story.

Fun fact, (if I remember this right), the original ending of heathers was gonna be like this, but they didn't have enough money in the budget. I heard this from an interview with the creators.

⁠@@Reaper-AzurwrathThey made like a handful of different endings to try the Heaven one however wasn't cut due to budget but cause the executives didn't like how dark the ending was. That was their reason for axing a good handful of endings was they were to dark for what they wanted. Funnily enough however in the movie 'Voices' staring Ryan Reynolds this exact ending plays out. His character who is a serial killer is blown up and it cuts to him dancing to music in heaven with his dead parents, all the people he killed, and Jesus.

​@Alexenarain Omg I watched that movie recently without ever having heard of it before watching. It felt like some weird ass fever dream. And that bastard cat man

That sounds amazing. We were robbed!!

By just changing the names, we could still make that version a reality.

No bcs this premise is actually really good, you should have written the show

I thought so too, especially when they showed her as a blonde instead of a brunette 😅

He probably did write the plot

fjdkf true

He did 😂

He definitely did

@@VeronicaSawyer.w pfp and username

Honestly, I don’t even know if that’s what they were trying to do tho. In interviews, they claim that making the Heathers queer was “updating” it and seemed to have done so with the intention of being positive representation, so it seems like JD and Veronica were supposed to be worse in this version? But then the Heathers themselves are unreasonable hypocrites, so we should side with JD and Veronica? Is it somewhere in the middle where everyone is awful? To me, the messaging of this show is muddled and confusing that I don’t even know who it’s for. A lot of conservative people saw it as woke propaganda, and a lot of liberal people saw it as mocking liberals. It seems no one can actually agree with who this show was meant to cater to.

@@gregjayonnaise8314 it's giving VELMA vibes; trying to be progressive while at the same time actually being conservative, so it ends up being really weird and catering/appealing to no one.

That would require them to be educated or slightly more left wing educated lol but there was no thought that went into this so no shit they didnt.

Nooo cause that would make them on their side! They don’t care about women, but definitely not woc or disabled women! And they absolutely loathe queer people but especially trans people!

As a former Anti-SJW/centrist myself i guess that it probably is criticizing leftists regardless of what side of the spectrum of liberalism or leftists as long as they could be put under the "SJW" umbrella (which speaking from experience is what tends to happen. If you have even centre left values but talk about systemic bigotry, representation, etc. it all gets squashed under the same umbrella as all the same when it's not)

Tbh…I DID forget this existed. It blipped on my radar when it was first announced and I barley made it through the trailer before deciding it wasn’t worth my time, and haven’t so much as glimpsed at it since.

yeah i just realized today that this existed, i think i repressed the memory

I didn’t even KNOW it existed… and will continue to act like it doesn’t 😀

@@KingOfGaymes that is 100% the right decision do that

I didn’t even know it existed until about 5 seconds ago

You learn something new everyday.

Mean Girls is basically Heathers *without* the body count.

@@fromthehaven94 I mean, someone did get run over by a bus

@@briarrosedangel2782 Where are the funeral scenes in Mean Girls?

@@briarrosedangel2782yeah but she lived…. sadly

the "woke bully" thing you were talking about has, from what I've seen, mostly manifested itself as people using terms regarding mental health to put people down. such as calling peope-pleasers "manipulators" and using boundaries to silence a victim. (for example an abuser will tell their victim to keep quiet but say is "setting boundaries" do their victim is more willing to keep quiet.) which I wouldn't say it's intentionally using social justice language it's probably moreso just that language being used poorly and people not knowing what those words actually mean. but there is also "I am literally neurodivergent and a minor" so I mean yeah definitely could've done something wit that I know online there's people who will pretend to be very progressive to make people not look into them more and see that they said some effed up stuff.

so true! also, the og heathers had a subtle message about the media abusing teens suicides for stories, very poignant in the modern day with social media. they could also pull in cyberbullying. the potential is endless and they somehow missed all of it.

@@chocomelo454yep and they cld draw from irl examples where some celebrities were exposed for using therapy speak to manipulate people

@@espeon871 yes!!!!

@@corvidae2741not subtle it’s the main point

The musical is already a quite modern version of Heathers. They tightened the script and pacing. My favorite part has to be when they made JD more symphatetic than the Christian Slater version. This one felt like a leap backwards

@@ezelfrancisco1349 what a bigstar he is now and sucha great actor

They thought they had come so far... And still ended up pulling off our dicks.

Is someone pulling on your dick?

That show didn't even come far enough to try pulling on out dicks

To think, we’ve come so far. But this show is now pulling on my dick

They’ve come so far why are they pulling away from the original?

Ironically, there were plenty other versions of that song to use that WOULD have already existed

@@5th_cellar Yes, but like I said, the version that appears in-game didn't come out until 1999, making the song anachronistic to the year that the game takes place.

@@RandomghoulZX I didn't disagree, just pointed out they had such an easy fix

@@5th_cellar I know, right? I feel like the reason they went with the Eddy Arnold version (1999) rather than the Elvis Presley cover (1975) is clearly because they thought Elvis Presley's version would have stuck out too much alongside the other country songs they chose for the game, especially since Elvis' music style was primarily rockabilly. Not that I'm complaining about the lack of Elvis in the game, though, and this is where I go off on a rant about the history of how Italian-Americans appropriated African-American music. Elvis may have been a talented singer, but he was still a sleaze bag who stole his style and his early songs from Muddy Waters. Elvis was pretty much the Frank Sinatra of rock music, except, to my knowledge, Sinatra didn't have to screw over an African-American man to become successful, he simply adopted the styles of jazz, which at the time, just like rock in the '50s, was primarily an African-American style of music at around the time Sinatra began his career. Jazz music, to my knowledge, originated in the speakeasies and underground clubs of the Roaring '20s. Many African-Americans saw these places as somewhat of a refuge, since they were the few places where they, if my knowledge is correct, were seemingly able to get along rather decently with those of European descent, brought together by alcohol and the goal of escaping persecution at the hands of the law. Suprisingly for a light-skinned man with alleged Mafia ties in the pre-MLK era of American history, I heard that he once stood up for an African-American who was being harrased by people of European descent, and yes, I believe anybody who was openly against racism during that era should be commended as a pioneer of the civil rights movement.

There were perhaps 6 or 7 genuinely good and great moments and scenes in this reboot. However, 6 good/great moments within a 10 hour show does not a good show make. No bueno

It’s like Velma in that regard where both sides of the political spectrum come together to hate it

As a leftist, this adaptation felt like it *was* made to pander to the left, but by right-wing people for the money lol

@@prettyrat. as another leftist i think it was to be like a retelling of heathers but in a what old conservatives think reality is? Cuz most of the characterisation is very conservative twt characterisations of marginalised people and the world lol, i think it was just meant to be that but cuz there was no thought that went into it, it ended up being this.

When I saw who was playing Heather Duke on the IMDb cast list, the red flag went up in my head- no pun intended.

​@@espeon871 Yeah it's exceedingly obvious it was made for a conservative anti-SJW audience in mind

Damn, that’s pretty cool.

the riverdale verison is better then this garbage

it’s even funnier cuz riverdale literally had a “heathers the musical” episode

Heathers is the aggressive and cynical big sister to Mean Girls' catty and passive little sister.

same

Wow! Neat to find another neurodivergent person hyperfixated on Hatchetfield here :D Small world ig.

Omg Hi!

ME TOO

Yesssssss

Let goooo!!!! It's cool to see other Hatchetfield fans.

It would have been more realistic to show the popular girls ‘making out’ and ‘being allys’ for the trend but then bullying actual lgbt kids.

JD made such an impression on her she named her kid after him? That's camp. 😂😂

Honestly, because Veronica stole the red scrunchy in the og ending I genuinely thought for a sec the reboot mom mightve been Veronica.. imagine naming your son after your psycho highschool ex

and then going in the mom of your shitty ex's footsteps too?!​@@guggelguggel7491

Oh you poor poor soul/gen

god im genuinely so sorry

They had actually delayed the series TWICE because of two separate school shootings and Paramount felt like it would be insensitive/too soon, and eventually Viacom called to drop the show. Somehow, it premiered in HBO Europe and then (unfortunately) finally premiered in the U.S with numerous cuts for content. In my opinion, Viacom should have dropped it after the first shooting happened.

I’m just hearing of this today and I’ve been a fan of the musical and original for years 🤣

Amen!

The version of the show proposed to the Bravo network was going to take place years after the original with a niece of Veronica dealing with a similar trio of queen bees.

REALLLLL

Honestly? Yeah. Yeah me too.

Couldn't agree more. 😊

Two shootings, actually. It got to the point where Viacom dropped it entirely and it became lost media for a few months before some idiot decided to premire the show on the Paramount Network over the course of a few nights.

is that the one with Margot Robbie?

God I completely forgot about that show...