Something that annoyed me about the caves and cliffs update is that I felt like the cliffs were TOO common. There’s barely any flat land left, it’s just all massive mountains.

It's just too big for me. For a casual player like I am the big caves are just way too overwhelming and the farming of special ores even harder. I wouldn't mind a big cave every now and then, but these massive caves basically replaced everything that was before

I think the problem people have with the Caves & Cliffs update is not the update itself, most people loved it; but instead what came after. People really got frustrated when all that was added in the Wild Update were the mangrove swamps and frogs (as the Warden and Ancient City really is just a Caves & Cliffs p3, it really doesn't fit the theme of the "Wild" Update) and the fact it was advertized as an overhaul of previously uninteresting biomes. It had already been a while since the biome polls had happened, so people expected they were finally coming. Add to that the fact that Mojang teased content, some in developpement and others in concept, only to cancel them not that long after showing them, and the chat moderation system that felt like a betreyal of trust for many players and you've made yourself an angered fanbase.

I really wish they did just a little more in the caves. Copper and amethyst are cool, but they have almost no uses. I’m not saying copper armor is what I want, because that would be pointless. I’m saying maybe they could use copper in Redstone in some way. As for amethyst, I have no real ideas except maybe stained tinted glass. And also uncraftable amethyst blocks because what are you even going to use amethyst for anyway?

The beauty of the caves and cliffs features being rare is the reason why I love it so much. It's quite special seeing something that's rare in any game so having a bunch of things that are difficult to find is enjoyable to me. Do you remember how in the og minecraft it was super exciting to find a village and they were rarer (at least it felt like it idk the percentages). But it felt like finding villages was special, you would go to it even though there wasnt much to do or much to gain, but it was fun just to mess around and check out what's there. I never passed the opportunity to go to it, but now when I don't need anything it's just like an everyday thing and I'll gladly skip it. Nowadays it feels like I find 3 villages like 200 blocks to each other which is kinda lame in my opinion. Seeing a village is not that special anymore, I don't get that feeling of "oh look I found something". Now I just want to get it over with. The loot got better but it's not as special anymore. That's the reason why I cherish the rare things more and I appreciate that a lot, especially in minecraft which has really gotten stale for me.

As someone who hates caves in Minecraft and chooses to strip mine instead of exploring caves, I hate this update. Caves in itself is not bad, atleast the small ones. The huge nearly empty caves is what annoys me, most because it spawns so much mobs. Its a waste of torches. My biggest complaint though is water caves. Its just everywhere in my mine and I wish there was a better way of clearing it out.

It feels like every every 20 blocks I mine I find a massive cave. No joke I found a very beautiful location for a base and when i started to dig down and around I found 8 different caves in the first half an hour in just the general vicinity of my base. There were three massive caves directly underneath my base, separated by like 4 blocks between each of them.

For me what ruined the C&C update was the update to diamond generation. They made these beautiful caves that everyone was excited to explore only to make exploring them yield less diamonds than strip mining. In the end mining was only made more annoying because you needed to mine deeper and dig through tougher blocks. What the hell mojang.

I feel like the caves and cliffs are too common now. Ever since it came out, i don't think I've been to a single old spaghetti cave, just like i can't remember when was the last time I saw any plains biome

The problem with this update is the mob spawning which makes it impossible to mine without getting killed or over ran by an endless spawn of enemies

The purpose of the 1.15 update wasn't really the bees, it was to fix a massive amount of bugs in the game, which lead to a surge of new players being able to run the game on their systems. They just added the bees so that the update would have actual content

Personally I’m not a fan of the big caves, I miss the old ones, but thats just personal taste. Something more objective that I think might resonate with others is that the huge caves feel kind of empty. Like they made the caves massive but they could’ve added more stuff yknow? If you’re gonna revolutionize it so drastically might as well go all out. They could do so much more with abandoned mineshafts and why not add more cave biomes? More ores with more uses, maybe bigger dungeons, some new, cave specific mobs, more blocks. Idk I just don’t like these caves lol.

the transition to the subscriber percentage was so smooth it hurts

I think the caves and cliffs update had a lot of problems. For one, I do think that the update was way over hyped. The cave update had been long desired by the community for over 10 years, and had reached a mythical status in the minds of the community. The mountain update was also very hyped up, as it had been the biome vote winner 2 years before. And they announced them both combined, so the hype was sky high. To add on to that, the nether update was the greatest update of all time and we were just coming off of that, so people’s expectations for what the devs could actually accomplish was also sky high. In addition to that, the devs over promised and under delivered in CnC, whereas in the nether update they under promised and overdelivered. Originally all we knew about the nether update was the 2 forest and SSV biomes as well as the piglins. But they added so much more on top of that. The basalt deltas, the bastions, crying obsidian, respawn anchors, striders, netherite, loadstones, blackstone, hoe functionality, smithing table use, all these things were originally unannounced. In Caves and Cliffs, they originally did not deliver on all the sculk content, the terrain generation, the bundle, and archaeology features. To this day they haven’t delivered bundles or archaeology. In 1.18 they still hadn’t delivered on the sculk content. In 1.19 they finally delivered on granted very improved and developed sculk content, but that was muddied by the birch forest and firefly controversy which was yet another example of over promising and underdelivering. So yes, they bit off way more than they can chew and made public things that they shouldn’t have made public. I still remember thinking they would add 1 or 2 more cave biomes as surprises. The next issue was COVID, which is self explanatory.

A problem for me is that the update didnt really add anything useful, amethyst and copper have very few uses, and the new caves are just, there were only two of them so after a while they just aren’t exciting anymore. It’s an update (specifically 1.18) based on looks, the ancient cities did add a lot more to caves but a lot more should be done with the other two cave biomes.

90% of the video: talking about basic stuff that was added in past updates 10%: talking about what the title implied the video would be about…

I feel like Copper was the biggest dissappointment in Caves and Cliffs. it barely does anything. Copper Armor and Tools would have been good. Some other materials for armor and tools too.

Mojang didn’t deliver on their promises. That’s why the updates felt lackluster. As another commenter said, the Caves and Cliffs update was split up into three parts. Part one was the goats and axolotls, part two was the actual caves and cliffs, and part three, combined with the wild update, was the Warden and ancient cities. These features were promised in one update, but they came out separately. The wild update could have done so much the gain the respect of the community back. Mojang didn’t update and overhaul the swamps like everyone thought. They just added a new rate biome that doesn’t even cover 1% of the Minecraft world. The fireflies were cancelled because people were mad about the frogs eating them. This is a game that has a dragon, skeletons, zombies, pigmen, and so many other fantasy creatures. Mojang gave into the pressure from stupid people and removed them. Mojang could’ve still added fireflies, and just had the frogs not eat them, or they could’ve not changed anything. Once again, because it is a game that has fantasy elements and creatures in it. The mangrove swamps don’t have the atmosphere that people expected it to because of the fireflies being absent. They didn’t overall the swamp biome already in the game, and they didn’t add the birch forest with the tall trees. They could’ve split this update into multiple parts. This would’ve made sense. Update one or two biomes at a time until they were done. That would have been amazing and Mojang could’ve gained more respect along with the respect they lost after caves and cliffs. Another thing I will add is the mob vote. It’s stupid as hell. One mob gets to be in the game while the rest on the contenders never have a chance to be in the game, ever. If Mojang just added all the mobs from the mob vote one at a time, over a period of a year or two, that would be so much better. That way every cool mob they make you vote on can get added, along with a lot of variety. Variety, good, well received updates, developers who listen to the community,and a happy community behind a game are what make a game successful. Mojang can still recover from this. They just have to not under deliver on their promises. I do still like the updates and the content within them. I still respect Mojang because they turned Minecraft into what it is today. But I don’t like the fact the under delivered on their promises. We will never know what fully goes on behind the scenes, but I’m confident that Mojang will release a new update packed with more content than the three parts of the caves and cliffs update, and the wild update, which will rival 1.16.

Your tweet about the replay mod was about this video, right? This looks so good!! I appreciate all the hard work you're putting into your videos.

Super cool to see your videos popping off recenly :) amazing video as always

the issues is that deep slate takes so long to nine and haste 2 doesn’t insta mine it

I played Minecraft a lot during the beta days, and have just been getting back into it, so I’m sure you can imagine that the changes have all been very exciting for me lol. I mostly just search for cool seeds online and wander around in peaceful mode bc the hostile mobs are too stressful.

future tip, focus on answering your inquiry question before the end of the video. This just seemed to drag on and I got very confused because I didn’t click on this for a recap of past updates

i hate how huge the caves are with a quadrillion mobs everywhere and it takes like 1000 torches to light just to find 20 iron and 4 diamonds

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I love having more ground to cover, but I miss there being more flat land.

My biggest issue with the Caves and Cliffs update, is I feel like it continues to send minecraft (atleast java) down the path of unoptimized hell. While on mine, and many computers it runs (mostly) fine, I feel like even Minecraft running "fine" on this update feels off, is this just me?

I hate the new caves. it makes strip mining harder, and when I'm exploring it, mobs can spawn all around me, making for mining to be less therapeutic as I remember it. they need to nerf these cheese caves spawn rate.

I find it frustrating that I can't find land to build on, caves are too giant to explore, and that copper is wayyy to common despite it being the less helpful ore. It just makes me unmotivated to play...

My favorite thing was exploring caves and lighting them up so mobs don’t spawn. I used to love building mob farms and lighting up caves used to be extremely important but now there’s no use because the caves so large and the skybox has been raised. You could always build up to negate the caves for your grinder but there was a limit to this because you’d probably be near the skybox and wouldn’t be able to make a massive grinder, until now.

your minecraft story mode video was recommended to me and i loved it, so i checked out your channel and found this one as well! incredible work, i hope you do more video essay-type videos on minecraft, super entertaining! [: for me personally, the caves and cliffs update actually made me fall in love with minecraft. i remember being super pumped for the nether update and in awe of everything new, but something about seeing those enormous cave generations and the huge mountain ranges completely blew my mind. even now, i completely gush over world generation and how cool it is, so much so that "that's a good mountain!" has become a running joke between me and my friends because i say it so often. maybe i'm just easily impressed, but this update is probably my personal favorite [:

My problem with this update is now I can’t find any balanced seeds at all

I just stumbled about this channel via recommendation and I got to say, it's underrated as fqck. I like your content also you earned a new subscriber.

Finally someone who doesn't just focus on the bad stuff. I totally agree with you, although its true I am so far quite scared of how 1.20 will end up (I hope it will be great, I know there is more stuff coming). I can't wait for 1.21. Since one of the devs said its going to be a large update again (well, at least I hope so, its just 1 random dev after all)

The new caves are beautiful in creative, but in survival, is hard do explore because you need to much torches, but, a solution is the night vision portion, I used almost all the time when I see a big cave, and it’s awesome, if you don’t used in survival, give a chance!

Can't even find a plains biome to build my base on. So stupid.

Ancient cities have the same issue that strongholds had in the final beta update: there’s no way to find one other than just stumbling into one. They need a compass or something like it, or some way to find it like eyes of ender do for strongholds.

The video was just fine till he said the mountains are rare, I wish there was less of them they are fuckin everywhere the part that ruined the update for me is the fact there just isnt a room for flat generation anymore all the other biomes became either super hilly or unoffical mountains

My biggest problem with the caves and cliffs update is that it made the already tedious process of mining into something way more annoying to me. They are pretty, very pretty and I was excited the first time I saw one, but they're very impractical. I hate the new ore generation, now I only go mining with night vision potions that take too much space in the inventory because there's no coal at all once you go down. It's as if the game is punishing you for exploring deeper. And there's just so, so much cooper and it's really just useless on it's majority unless you like to build with it (personally I find it very ugly). I'm constantly lacking on iron and coal and if I picked every copper I've found I'd have stacks of it. Though, I think it's very cool the player can now take much more advantage of night vision as there's a lot of ores hidden in the ceiling of caves, but I wish this was optional and a late game thing, not doing it just because I literally do not have an option. Oh and bundles, oh the bundles, I love using potions and I'm happy they're more useful now in the game but I wish I could carry them in the bundles showed that were never added :/ On the other aspects, I think they should've just added all the mobs in the mob vote. Copper wouldn't be that useless now if the copper golem were approved, and players would have a bigger incentive to explore higher cliffs to have a change to encounter the iceologer (I forgot about the lethal snow until watching this video again lol). And the glow squid still looks very cool for underwater caves, but shouldn't have been the only one added. Anyways, I don't hate the update(s) either, but I just hope they keep improving what they've done.

Dude, this channel is super underrated! Great content and editing skills, seriously, GG! You definitely deserve at LEAST 50k+ subscribers!

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Another problem with Caves and Cliffs is that for people like me that can't afford high end PCs, the much beefier world generation also heavily impacts performance

I COMPLETELY disagree with you. I'm very happy that they added new rare content to the game, and I hope they continue to do so. Having everything be very common diminishes the reward of finding them.

if it were to stay as experimental option, would it be better? What's your guys take?

A big issue is the resource filled tunnels seem to be rare and the huge caverns with very limited resources are everywhere and those caverns need allot of resources to effectively explore.

The thing that upset me about the caves and cliffs update was that they made woodland mansions over 10x more common, in my opinion making it more common just ruined the challenge of finding a woodland mansion.

I want caves and cliffs to be something you manually input before world creation, and so you can generate old seeds

Cool video! I like how you write and edit!

This video should've been longer. Specifically the ending. You spent way too much time talking about the content of the caves and cliff update compared to 'What went wrong with the Caves and Cliffs update'. I still agree with the sentiment, but you should've have expanded more and given examples.

As cool as the new caves are, I do kinda miss the old ones. So much easier to just chill mine and weren't filled to the brim with mobs

Altho mention of it was brief, i REALLY appreciate the mention of the deep dark/ancient city not being hyped up as some end game difficult thing. I can understand new players or people who don't know what it is having trouble with it, but past that it just isn't end game or difficult at all. It doesn't help that if you do wait till end game (or late game whatever you wanna call it) then most the loot it has becomes literally useless and no longer helpful in anyways unless you really want swift sneak or to collect all the disks. It gets old seeing so many people hype up such a mid game area (and honestly since no mobs can spawn other than the warden and even then if you do accidentally summon him he is easy af to avoid maybe even early game ish). If you know how to press a single button to crouch, then there is absolutely no excuse for you to call it anything near an end game area.

The thing that annoyed me was that the conted you'd see the most of was easily the worst. Personally what I see the most often is amethist geodes and copper which have no benefit to most players unless you have some very specific mob farms in mind or build a roof out of wool

It’s a shame your channel is so small, your editing, pacing, and overall narration is great! Hopefully your channel grows!

The main issue with the caves and cliffs update was that it was supposed to be the solution to the cave update everyone was begging for for years, we wanted the main parts of minecraft to be renewed, we had gotten the Craft updated with the village and pillage, which is highly underrated but for me was one of my favs since it added a whole lot more stuff to work for and decorate your house and fixed villagers, but I was expecting more resources, the caves are big, but the same ores, amethyst is practically useless and so is copper, the caves and cliffs didnt give any new rewards, only risks, making mining more of a chore without anything new for us to gain.

I don’t think they took into consideration that I’m scared of the caves. It’s so much harder to mine now because the other caves were already really scary and now they are even scarier :( when will the horror end?

mf axolotls spawn in lush caves the reason why the caves and cliffs update was frowned upon was it was one update's worth of content spread out over 3 years 1.17 introduced items for caves and cliffs 1.18 overhauled terrain gen 1.19 added the warden

one time i spawned in packed snow and i couldn’t get out so i froze. i started a new world pretty quick

Recensy bias, if you look into the past, most updates were mediocre and underwhelming, only a few updates truly brought new cool stuff to the table. The difference now is that they promise stuff, whereas before, they wouldn't really say anything so it came as a more welcome surprise rather than a big dissapointment

One thing that bugged me about the caves part is half of the time it's like your going into a slanted cave of deepslate only for it to end with literally nothing but deepslate it always irritated me not to mention lush caves don't always appear where the lush trees are but the weird dirt of those places will instead not to mention they said you would be able to find Axolotls playing in the Lush Caves but you mostly see them in the large caves such as the swiss cheese caves you mention it's rare to see them in Lush i loved the update but those things along with it being split up so much was quite annoying

its infinitely more difficult to strip mine cause most of the underground is already a cave

I think the cave and cliffs update made it better because the old caves where just boring and mountainous terrain gives a bit of a challenge

because fifty block drops in every biome makes building and exploration awful. i would understand if they mixed this world generation with the old one but everything is just oversized now. it makes every aspect of the game so difficult for no reason.

as disappointing as the split may or may not have made things, i’m glad mojang didn’t take the EA route and just release an unfinished product and then spend 6 months putting out half assed patches trying to fix the mess they created themselves. they care about the game at least.

I really wish that the cave generation would have less spawning of huge caves on the above deepslate area

4 Parts, actually. 1.17 Caves 1.18 Cliffs 1.19 Warden 1.20 Archaeology

Why can’t they just add a musket

What’s the graphics mod you are using ?

Think the most noticeable thing with this update was performance for me. My gaming laptops gpu broke and had to send it back for repair so was playing on a old gaming laptop and had to switch to Bedrock to play MC. Plus was I decided to switch to 1.12 to play 2b2t and had a lot of fun, honestly think a break in content updates for a performance/parity update is in order. Run a rtx3060 so am fine personally but java needs optimisation and bedrock needs more parity, would be a hard sell but vanilla java needs to run better.

Really my only complaint with C&C is the Warden. I've not personally noticed the world generation being "rare" like how you described it in the video, everything from mountains to lush caves feel abundant enough to me for what they are intended as (obviously, this depends on both seeds and personal expectations). The Warden though, it doesn't feel like something that should be in the Overworld. It's basically an endgame biome, and even then it's still incredibly deadly. That's not to say it shouldn't be in the game entirely though. Rather, I think it would've been better suited for The End. Not only would its difficulty and loot be better suited for that environment, but it also adds more to what I think is a rather lackluster dimension at the moment.

1:05 When you said "19 major updates over the course of the 11-year-span of the game", I thought you accounted for the entire games existence, so I was thinking you were wrong... but no, Minecraft has been around for almost 14 years now. That's nuts. - Beta 1.7.3 was when I started.

Loving the videos recently!!!

I swear ever since this update, most of my shaders don't work anymore neither do my furniture mods

The only problem with the Caves and Cliffs was it doesn’t add enough content.

I'm colour blind & still hate the new ore textures because they look too much like the walls especially for Iron. the look of them is just well not as noticeable as the classic ones. they add similar shades which with colour-blindness becomes harder to tell apart leading to them being more missable in a cave which is why I still play with classic textures today. My colour blindness isn't even that bad so I'd not know if it helps a person with worse colour blindness as it'd be hard enough to see them already but with some of those samey colours it becomes a contrasting thing that I can't describe well but it basically messes the focus of colour. Edit: I wanted to also add my main problem with the update. I liked the new caves & mobs but felt like things where missing. the Axolotl should be tameable not kidnappable as it doesn't come back. Copper & Amethyst should really have been given more uses. Copper should've gained at least some more Redstone uses such as a variant of repeaters & its own trail that acted like Redstone but didn't mix & maybe went farther but could only power one thing needing special Redstone parts like a junction or something to allow its wires to split kinda like how real wires only go to one thing unless you add parts to allow them to go multiple places. At most copper should've had some early game tools which could be as good as gold but more durable maybe between stone & Iron & with its own armour to add a viable early game armour set. Amethyst should've gained some uses as a decorative block with some unique things & also some kind of jewellery that can be enchanted or some other use. They also needed a few more biomes as they only added three & the new shapes of caves. Slime chunks maybe could've gained some noticeable characteristics. I wouldn't have minded another ore or a few enchantments or some update to minecarts to make them more helpful when mining. I feel they got so held back by the whole deep dark & its high ambition that it held back from most of the other things people expected to see. edit 2: also this is more just a minor thing I hate the way they did the Amethyst geode was nice but making it that you had to stay there to farm the amethyst was fine but the amethyst cluster thing is too easy to break they should've made it take a long time to break like obsidian so that when you're collecting the amethyst you don't by accident break the thing necessary to farm the block or maybe allow it to be taken away but that'd defeat there little idea.

What annoyed me was this update d made mods like Create hard to play, setting up an 1.18 straight railway required a ton of bridges, viaducts, and tunnels. It took so long to make it was crazy.

When this update released my world was destroyed. I logged onto it and a giant mountain had spawned inside of the city I’d been building in creative. I’d been working on it for almost a year. I stopped playing the game for a pretty long time because all my work had pretty much been destroyed

I first saw your telltale games vid, now I’m addicted to your content.

I actually have come across pillager posts with alays trapped in little wooden cages

11:30 minutes out of 14 minutes is you explaining stuff we know about. Only the last 2 minutes have you actually talking about ”what went wrong.”

The problem is they weren’t brave enough the add a craftable (with probably diamond and iron) glide only elytra that don’t work with fireworks to make partially explored caves easier to retrack.

For me i dont like how the deep dark generates, its either miles upon miles of skulk blocking ores or empty caverns stretching wide without the deep dark, i wish it generated as smaller biomes but more frequent rather than a huge blob thats kinda rare

So we gonna ignore how this guy forgot the DRIPSTONE CAVES

congratulations mate, you basically just summed up all of modern minecraft :D

What were you using to make the End look like that?

A grappling hook would be very cool in Minecraft

The Basalt Delta is actually my favorite nether biome. Its dangerous and annoying sure, but it's so cool.

i came to see what went wrong with C and C and got someone telling me the features of 1.16-19 that i already knew. This vid was like 3 mins of actually explaining the title lol

My least favorite thing about 1.18, and the thing that lowered it on my ranking of updates, is that they removed the custom world types like Sky Islands and Caves. I understand that the world-gen overhaul would've made these generation types outrageously buggy, but they've been radio-silent on whether or not they're coming back. These types of worlds were so much fun to play when you were bored of the traditional Minecraft experience, and they each had wildly different strategies to utilize that made each one fresh.

I think the caves and cliffs stuff would've all been recieved much better if Mojang had just said that a delay was needed and pushed all of it back to be released together.

This is very off topic but I kinda miss the old zombie pigman design but the update was cool and added a bunch of stuff so it’s sorta a loss something but get a bunch more stuff type deal

Thank you for making this video and I appreciate the hard work. 👍

11:28 is where he actually gets into what went wrong, you can skip the filler

I love and hate the new cliffs and caves update. How can I travel through the caves when I'm killed every second cause of the constant spawning creepers and skellies. I hate survival now. It's not worth if when you play alone

There needs to be a shader update for bedrock

I’m not that fond of the caves and cliffs update. Those huge empty caves have so many mobs spawning you can’t easily explore. It’s a constant fight to go through them. They’re also difficult to light up as you’re going through one. So many dark spots for mobs to spawn. I mean, they’re interesting and all that but they’re everywhere. They’ve be better if they were rare and you had to search for one. Then they would be fun to explore. Being common takes out the excitement of finding one.

They just bit off more than they could chew (and made it worse by promising 1.19 features that never came)

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I didn’t know people had issues with this update to be honest, genuinely thought they aced this one… tbh I don’t really keep up with what people are saying about the game either, mostly just play with my little group 😅

We need an end update