What Were Medieval Attitudes Towards Sex?

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Medieval Pleasures: What Was Sex Really Like in the Middle Ages?
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Warning: contains strong language and sexual content.
Get ready to indulge in some Medieval Pleasures. In this three-part series, historian Dr Eleanor Janega (@Going Medieval) takes us on a journey into the sumptuous world of Sex, Booze and Sport throughout the Medieval period.
In this episode, Eleanor and Dr Kate Lister (@whoresofyore) take to the streets of York to uncover the sex lives of folks living here over 500 years ago. Armed with medieval chat-up lines they attempt to woo a suitor while revealing the hidden ribald meanings behind some common words and phrases, giving an insight into the diverse, bold and unabashed sexual appetites of medieval people and the role the church had in controlling the sex lives of worshippers.
And at the Tower of London Eleanor explores courtly love and how the royal bedchamber was a very crowded place, particularly when a regal marriage was consummated. She also investigates the complicated rules governing the sex trade in the capital, where almost anything goes as long as it happens in the approved red light district.
Come with Eleanor as she ventures into the heady world of medieval pleasure...
And if you want to know more about what went on in medieval bedrooms and beyond, check out Kate Lister's fascinating new Betwixt the Sheets podcast on History Hit. You can even hear her discussing it with Eleanor Janega: pod.fo/e/11b847 They chat all things aphrodisiacs, sex diaries and religious rules, as well as bizarre fertility treatments involving actual fish in places they should never go. WARNING this episode includes explicit language and adult themes
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@tk.gaines Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate how in all her videos she emphasizes how you’ll never understand the ancient or medieval world if you insist on looking at that world through a modern lens.

@heidimeigs5192 Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@alyciamarie4163 Жыл бұрын

Same will happen with us in thousands of years.

@marko.1245 Жыл бұрын

I feel that way about the Bible...

@charliejohnston1978 Жыл бұрын

So that is what she tried to do, was look at ancient sexual activities through her own anti-church biased modern lens.

@julianshepherd2038 Жыл бұрын

@@charliejohnston1978 just using the church as source is not history. It is a cult.

@kittkattgo Жыл бұрын

My Mother was born in London in 1929. She had 8 children, I was the 6th and born in the States. When I was in my 20's she said to me that, "Every generation thinks that they have invented sex." Now that I have turned 60, I totally understand why she said that.

@bethewalt7385 Жыл бұрын

It took you until 60 to get that? That's funny and a little scary

@malikahmad8170 Жыл бұрын

@@bethewalt7385 he is lucky to have discovered at 60-I am older and still had not found much

@Benjaminleo815 Жыл бұрын

@@bethewalt7385 No it isn't. 60 is a good age to discover truths from our parents.

@AtlisDe Жыл бұрын

@@bethewalt7385 why is that weird? At 60 they've seen more than enough in their own experience to attach truth to their mothers statement. In short you're seeing a few generations depiction of sex by that point.

@h0rriphic Жыл бұрын

@@Benjaminleo815 sigh…and whatever age you are is far too late to have taken OP’s statement in such an insufferable, literal sense.

@stephaniecuzner8147 11 ай бұрын

I love medieval manuscript doodles. I can just imagine these scribes getting bored and just doodling, no matter how good they were at drawing, not realizing their work would be a topic of art history and spread across the Internet. Can you imagine them rolling in their graves in embarrassment? I know i would if my doodles became a part of history

@naporeon 29 күн бұрын

I know, right? And those doodles also allow me to use one of favorite words: "marginalia."

@efjeK 10 ай бұрын

"Marriage is sex work one man at a time" had me on the floor. Amazing quote!

@maitreyajambhulkar 10 ай бұрын

Marriage is what it should be. As you have highlighted that quote.

@energyben 9 ай бұрын

It's a bitter and warped comment by someone trying to belittle marriage because she resents men, probably due to her own insecurities/issues

@ogribiker8535 8 ай бұрын

@@energybenOh get over yourself, looks like you are the one with a problem !.

@Sarah-hw7ok 8 ай бұрын

@@energybenhaha no. It’s true in that time with the options women had for how to make an income. Not only is it not new info, but they said in the video what women could do for work and income, and you still missed it ? It’s either jobs of the ilk of washing peoples smelly dirty B.O. fragranced sometimes poopy (more often than if you washed your own; I worked sorting charity donations and some ppl consider the donation bin a trash bin/don’t care cuz they’re not handling it) and other nasties, and after all that still make little enough money you do sex work too. How do you add all this up and still come to your comment ?

@anon2427 8 ай бұрын

@@energybenI agree

@nickh.4917 Жыл бұрын

After my grandfather died my grandmother told me an off color story about him. I said, “My sweet old grandpa did that?” She said, “Well he wasn’t always old and he wasn’t always sweet.” The scenery changes, people don’t.

@taynaraespinosa6934 4 ай бұрын

What does a color story mean?

@jennifergleason9853 4 ай бұрын

"off-color" is the adjective here, not color. It is usually used as a way to describe lewd (not necessarily explicit but often sexual) language, such as a story or joke. I believe (don't quote me on this) it might have to do with the fact that color print and the fact that classified ads would be printed in the back pages of papers and magazines, so the ads for sex workers or sex toys or the explicit jokes or cartoons would often be printed "off-color," but again just a guess.

@optimist3580 2 ай бұрын

@@jennifergleason9853off-colour in English means that a person is not feeling well. A doctor would note a persons pallor, it’s quite common for an English speaker to say that they are feeling “off colour”

@andromedaspark2241 Ай бұрын

the meaning appears to differ between "off-color" in American English and "off-colour" in presumably British English. In the US it means "lewd". @@optimist3580

@alicemilne1444 Ай бұрын

@optimist3580 Idioms in English can have more than one meaning. Both your explanation and Jennifer's are correct. The meaning just depends on context.

@bethnorrod5942 Жыл бұрын

My great grandmother was born in TN in 1911 to Scottish parents. Her favorite color was red,but she'd been raised that only hussies wore red. She wouldn't even grow red roses. As meek as she was,she was strong. Her husband was born to Irish parents,they married at 12. She was 22,pregnant for the 4th time when her husband was diagnosed with a brain tumor. He was getting uncontrollably violent,she would lock herself up with the kids at night. During her 8th month,told her he was terrified of hurting her or the kids,went out to the woods and shot himself. She carried him home,put him on the kitchen table,cleaned him,and held a 3 day wake. She said she'd never remarry and she didn't. She passed in 1992. After she died,we found trunks full of red lingerie,purses and shoes. It was like her little rebellion against her deeply religious parents. Deep down she wanted to be a hussy. Lol.

@colleenwhalen-pg7un Жыл бұрын

So even as an adult with a family of her own, she was still under the thumb of her parents....the parents are in Scotland and she was in Tennessee.......I dont get it?

@bethnorrod5942 Жыл бұрын

@@colleenwhalen-pg7un her parents and her in laws immigrated here. She was surrounded by people so religious and stuffy that she couldn't even wear her favorite color, it became so ingrained that she still wouldn't wear it after she was widowed and on her own. She bought pretty lingerie,purses and shoes in red,even though no one saw them,they still made her feel wild and sexy.

@medinsane Жыл бұрын

Damn that’s crazy! I’m glad I was born to less religious parents in a more modern era, I spoke before I could walk and my mum says as soon I knew the words I refused to wear clothes that weren’t red! Imagine a 1 year old demanding what colour her dress will be that day! I still like red but I wear other colours too now :)

@Mehki227 Жыл бұрын

@Ana Luiza Were not religious at all and neither were my grandparents, but she was always protecting us from boys and sex. She was very strict. Anyway my 60 something sister just told me 2 days ago, she didn't wear lipstick until she was 40 because my grandma scrubbed her face so hard when she caught her playing in our aunt's makeup. Nearly out entire conversation was about the things we do and don't do more, because of what our parents and grandparents said. Both of us are very independent women, who've bought our own homes support ourselves and raised our kids ourselves, but things from childhood no matter what will influence the rest of your life and how you live.

@justanormalwoman5230 Жыл бұрын

@@medinsane I remember when I was 12 or 13 I painted my nails red. My father, who was around 40-41 told me I looked like a prostitute. This was in the early 2000s. Prudish people are everywhere unfortunately. Luckily my mom never agreed with him. Ever since then my fav colour is red when it comes to my nails or lips. 😀

@TanukiOfficial 7 ай бұрын

4:46 Gives new meaning to the saying, "I'll be there with bells on."

@juliesmith5123 2 ай бұрын

Technically, it brings light to the original meaning but yes, I get what you are saying. I picked up on that as well.

@dryroasted5599 6 ай бұрын

After I was an adult, I was talking to my Grandma about Grandpa, who had died when I was six. She told me that he had been fired from his position in the city fire department because he had been caught having an affair. He left town shortly after that and found work in a neighboring state (as a carpenter, not a firefighter.) She followed him with their two daughters after a short time, and they lived there for nearly eight years. Everyone came back to our hometown and nothing more was said about it. She never considered divorcing him. This was in a medium sized city on the west coast, but the shame of his act was enough to ostracize them in the community. I was amazed that I'd never heard this story before, and circumspectly asked my mother and aunt about it. They said they'd never known the reason why the family had moved, but had suspected when they were older. Times certainly have changed.

@marcusaurelius4777 Ай бұрын

As it should have been shamed. Marriage is a bond. To take it so lightly makes you undeserving of civilization. Imagine being a woman married to that guy and he disgraces you in such a fundamental way. The only reason that she DIDN'T divorce his undeserving ass was because she was trapped by society. No way to get an education, job, future, etc... outside of the economic transaction that women were forced to participate in: marriage. I absolutely believe that she would have divorced him had she options to do so. I can't fathom the idea of being forced to marry some unfaithful bastard for the rest of my life and depend on everything and be at his mercy. I'm a man, and I thank god that I was born so. Society is so hostile toward women it's outrageous. Nowadays men are like, "Women are so toxic and have such high standards!" No, they have the SAME STANDARDS as you, they only now have the freedom to do so and act on those desires lol. Even still, marriage is a trap for women because their careers usually end to be the baby maker and home maker slave. Fuck that lol. God bless your GrandMA for putting up with that shit.

@HistoricalWeapons 2 жыл бұрын

could not have clicked faster

@ukuleonscotland674 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@shawnwhite2120 2 жыл бұрын

😆

@matthewwriter9539 2 жыл бұрын

That still won't get you any more sex.

@MrShoryuken1 2 жыл бұрын

Click clickety click click click!

@iDigsGiantRobots 2 жыл бұрын

SAME

@censusgary Жыл бұрын

Closing the bed curtains wasn’t just for privacy. There was a common belief that keeping out the night air would prevent illness. Also, houses were not well heated, and the curtains helped hold warmth in during the cold months.

@garethsmith7628 Жыл бұрын

They did not realise mosquitos spread malaria and thought it was the "night vapours"

@censusgary Жыл бұрын

@@garethsmith7628 The mosquitoes that spread malaria are active only at night, so to the extent that the curtains kept out mosquitoes, they probably did help prevent malaria.

@Conathan23 Жыл бұрын

J9D⁹8th .

@polarexperts2125 Жыл бұрын

Oh, it is like nowadays coming soon in winter

@reelsforyou8567 Жыл бұрын

Also, courtly love is being used improperly here. Courtly love is the pure, unconsummated love between a knight/subject and his lady

@Earthbound369 8 ай бұрын

Nice to learn about Medieval Pleasures instead of wars, pestilence, and tortures of the era. 👍

@Manager_Mister 7 ай бұрын

Make love not war

@carolyna4484 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this, thanks! Have always loved medieval history, especially info about normal folk and everyday things and like to think I was there in a previous life. Went to London a few years ago and felt like I was home. Thanks everyone for posting anecdotes about their long-passed family.

@kelb6073 Жыл бұрын

The one main thing I learned after reading tons about history, is language, clothing and laws may have been different. But people weren't different at all. They lied, cheated, had fun, liked jokes. Anything happening today, happened back then minus technology. Good, bad and ugly. I think they were crazier..they really liked a good time 😂

@tempesttking5715 Жыл бұрын

Well said! Lol

@Yellow-Rose Жыл бұрын

I think people are definitely crazier today.

@Man-cv5ws Жыл бұрын

@@Yellow-Rose I doubt it, people had picnics at executions.

@Yellow-Rose Жыл бұрын

@@Man-cv5ws but executions were normal. Anyway not everybody had a "picnic" as you call it. People do a lot of s*** today that's not normal.

@Luubelaar Жыл бұрын

People are, and always have been, just people. We really aren't that different to everyone before us.

@bradleybobbs Жыл бұрын

"We tend to think about sex work as being this really modern invention." I certainly haven't thought that, due to it being so frequently called "the world's oldest profession".

@esmeecampbell7396 Жыл бұрын

Yeah there's a couple misconceptions or intentional misinterpretations that seem to have been deliberately inserted here that don't make sense to be innocent mistakes. That is one, trying to make it sound like accepting prostitution is a solely progressive move because "hey look they had it back then we wouldn't care". The other one is the disingenuous claim that transexuals were as common back then as they are now simply because ONE person was listed as having been born John but working as a prostitute. Likely that was a hermaphrodite, they were usually raised male even if they wouldn't be able to function as one, and probably only resorted to living as a woman for the work aspect (men had the money, most men wanted sex with women, thus most profitable to "become" a woman and go hooking as one of those instead) whereas these days it is rampant as really just a political trojan horse and supported mainly by people looking for attention or legitimising a fetish, or most of all suffering from a genuine mental illness. Academia is shifting VERY left wing and becoming VERY revisionist, which is essentially the worst crime a historian can do.

@SuperMegaCyrus Жыл бұрын

@@esmeecampbell7396 Trans people have been around forever and will continue to be. Cry about it.

@esmeecampbell7396 Жыл бұрын

@@SuperMegaCyrus they really haven't, Catamites are the closest thing in historical record but they didn't literally consider themselves to be women... The point is AS COMMON back then, learn to read. They simply didn't exist in the same numbers back then as they seem to now, which suggests something other than human biology is the cause, the trendiness, the fetish element, the knowledge of it spreads and corrupts other people into believing it. Nowadays it is just a sexual fetish that is masquerading as a "legitimate" belief. Personally I think in 100 years it will have faded away or been cured, because that's what it actually is, a mental illness. Now go join the 41%

@Necrovoker Жыл бұрын

@Esmee Campbell you just had to go on a transphobic tirade

@esmeecampbell7396 Жыл бұрын

@@Necrovoker I had to point out that the history they are stating was inaccurate. Historical revisionism is dangerous, just as dangerous when transsexuals are trying to insert themselves into it as when nations try to write themselves an identity that never existed.

@gijbuis 4 ай бұрын

I went to a Roman Catholic boarding school run by a teaching order of monks. We had to study Chaucer but we were not allowed to study the Miller's tale - which of course became the part of Chaucer's works which we all ended up knowing best!

@Perkelenaattori 3 ай бұрын

I've listened to Kate Lister's podcast for a while now and there's a regular advertisement about trying to find company on the streets of York, armed with medieval chatup lines, and I'm glad to see this video is here for all of our pleasure.

@sallybalkin8507 2 жыл бұрын

These 2 ladies communicate so easily with each other. It's like watching two old friends have a natter. They are so relaxed it's refreshing to watch.

@glennduke5853 Жыл бұрын

The ladies are good. I expect they have a good amount of familiarity with the subject in modern times!

@themanifester1807 Жыл бұрын

@@glennduke5853 😂

@KingsPriest Жыл бұрын

This was historically inaccurate and a farce. This was purely a propaganda piece on normalizing immoral deviant sex. The anti-Church bias is grotesquely apparent. This is how the godless see and think. Between the fake giggles and laughter the straight up lies are insulting. She found only a single person who might be trans and without any other corroborating evidence states it was everywhere and common. Huh? This is suppose to be scholarly? Wake up people if you cant see through this then it's probably too late for you and your conscious is seared. You are on the same ship, it's on fire and is going down and you don't even know it. Very sad.

@Fragrantbeard Жыл бұрын

@@glennduke5853 oh, ha ha ha, women having sex.

@meldoesnails7682 Жыл бұрын

@Sally Balkin I had never heard the word "natter" used before. Thanks for introducing me to a new word. 😊

@daffyf6829 Жыл бұрын

I think one thing that should be mentioned about the bedding ceremony is how marriage was more about politics than about love or romance especially with royals. The bedding ceremony was more like an oversight committee, a guarantee of the alliance's legitimacy and of course a legal witnessing. In fact, we still call the groomsmen and bridesmaids witnesses.

@TheSirStrazzen Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the Meme I've seen a few times now in different formats. It has a Knight i plate armor with a Halberd and he says " She said she wanted me to treat her like a Princes ~ So I married her off to a stranger to strengthen Our Alliance with Poland {Westphallia, Saxony, Bavaria, etc....}" . Always makes me laugh when that Meme comes around again . :-) TSS

@dennisrichardville4988 Жыл бұрын

it still is !

@delboy-su3wf Жыл бұрын

Watching a drama on Netflix last year think was Spain. how the Lords of the manner wd bed a man's wife before him. Like rape. I just thought yet these same men whos women wd be had before them wd go and fight for Kings and for men who had there wife's.

@TheSirStrazzen Жыл бұрын

Yea, and I remember from "Braveheart" the Roman Governor having some sort of Ritual with every Maiden that got married ? "Prima Nocturna? Or some such , but because Wallace hid his marriage the Garrison Commander slit his wife's throat and thus started the " Campaign to Eradicate All Romans in Scotland " , or something like that. LOL 🤣 TSS

@owensampson5380 Жыл бұрын

@@TheSirStrazzen ACA

@jchow5966 Жыл бұрын

This os def\one of the best history docs!!!! Thank you fir tor this post & all uf the others too. ☮️

@jeffcolorado 2 жыл бұрын

I'm reminded of the King who had someone watch the marriage bed of his son and the princess from another kingdom to make sure the marriage was consummated. The King asked the watcher if all went well. The watcher replied, "It was all very royal. The princess said, 'I offer you my honor.' The prince said, 'I honor your offer.' And that's how it went all night. Honor. Offer. Honor. Offer."

@sheilasoule2774 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@MrAdryan1603 2 жыл бұрын

Yikes.. 😂

@adamesd3699 2 жыл бұрын

You, my good sir, are the winner of this comment section today.

@rickyrydell 2 жыл бұрын

A nice variation of the classic judge (your honor) joke. Well played!

@hkumar7340 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Just bone her!

@Nunavuter1 Жыл бұрын

I just made the linguistic connection between "stew" (to sit in hot water) and "Brothel" --- the liquid (broth) being made when you stew something. Amazing how language works.

@ShannonSouthAfrica Жыл бұрын

I think the term comes from the term broth. You'd go to a tavern for a bowl of broth and you had a little something on the side....

@BoojeeRedneck Жыл бұрын

Same!!

@daniellehutchinson5724 Жыл бұрын

Bone broth 😂

@thomasjackson2223 Жыл бұрын

If you are talking about the "drinking bath water" fetish: ewwwww

@fordhouse8b Жыл бұрын

That is not where the term brothel comes from. Brothel was a Middle English word for a worthless person or a prostitute, and is related to an earlier Old English words meaning worthless, degenerate or deteriorate, or good for nothing, wretch. So originally a brothel house was the house of degenerate person/prostitute. The house part was simply later dropped, and the word came to mean the place rather than the people found there.

@osajohnson1957 8 ай бұрын

Better late.... So glad I found your video! What a treat to watch a smart, pithy and vibrant historian in her element. Thanks!

@TanukiOfficial 7 ай бұрын

2:48 The speaker was censored, so I didn't know what she was saying about Grape Lane: "In the city of York, for instance, Grapcvnt Lane - *grāp is the Old English word for grope* -was renamed as Grape Lane. Bristol's 'Gropecount Lane', recorded by that form in the late fifteenth century had been contracted to Grope Lane by the 1540s, sometimes then being euphemised to 'Grape Lane'." "Cvnt" was the censored word that I've misspelled.

@misst.e.a.187 Ай бұрын

The AI is American, so butt sensitive about words like grope - which isn't even an expletive

@misst.e.a.187 Ай бұрын

Now the C-word was used with flourish back then. It was a sexual description then as now

@TanukiOfficial Ай бұрын

@misst.e.a.187 Very true. The AI is very dumb to not recognize that common words should not be treated as profanity.

@musclecactus5183 Ай бұрын

That was my first thought when she said that. Gropecunt Lane was what I remembered hearing years ago

@judypasqualone3819 Ай бұрын

I thought it was cock….meaning part of the name of the street or location…like grape lane. All names for “that “ area!

@hardingdies7811 Жыл бұрын

These two Ladies make history not only come alive, but remind us that humanity really doesn't change that much, just the 'conventions of the day' vary - and the Catholic Church remains the same. This whole series has been enlightening. Thanks!

@emicaron 2 жыл бұрын

Educational AND entertaining, loved this! I really appreciate their way of speaking about history, making it approachable and fun to learn about.

@bluebluelectricblue 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe John was gay 🤔

@KingsPriest Жыл бұрын

@deanne1671 Жыл бұрын

If school had of been this interesting, I'd have a PhD!

@SlimRhyno Жыл бұрын

Educational AND entertaining?! Why, that also perfectly describes all of the best sex in my life! Hmm... so what does that say about me? 🫂😅

@SwissTrippin Жыл бұрын

@@SlimRhyno nothing your profile name hasn't already 😅

@CasualObserver579 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed that! fun and informative!

@EpicHistoryoftime 6 ай бұрын

"This video provides a comprehensive overview of the key events in this particular wartime period. It's an excellent resource for anyone looking to understand the historical context of these conflicts."

@sothic23 Жыл бұрын

It's just so awesome to see this kind of high quality, captivating historical documentary on KZfaq! Sincere thanks and kudos for the History Hit crew! 👍❤

@countalma9800 Жыл бұрын

Finally, someone busted the myth of Medieval people bathing "twice in their lifetime"! Interesting episode. Thank you!

@davidl3904 Жыл бұрын

Well they didn't really "bust" it, they just said it wasn't true but not what their sources were or if it was true for everyone.

@ericbrown1101 Жыл бұрын

I thought that was just a story about Queen Isabella of Spain specifically.

@HerveBoisde Жыл бұрын

I honestly think that capitalism tries to spread a lot of myths about feudal times to make it seem so much more dirty, depressing and poor than it really was, for the benefit of keeping the masses content with what they currently have.

@aries6776 Жыл бұрын

I could never see why that would be true. If you look at people in really deprived regions of the world today with no access to running water, they will still often bathe regularly in nearby water sources. I feel like the only time people wouldn't bathe as regularly is if they really couldn't because of limited access to water. We didn't evolve our sense of smell over millions of years just to ignore bad smells, it served an evolutionary purpose for our survival as a species.

@bobjohnson1633 Жыл бұрын

You don't need to bathe everything. Just get in the primary dirty spots and you need a couple gallons of clear water.

@thebloodgod5885 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely loved this video. Thank you so much for not glossing over queer people too. So refreshing to have a historian mention queer sex and gender without judgement.

@pamjames9077 8 ай бұрын

Fantastic video, I loved the fact that brought The Millers Wife into the mix. That story brings back memories of high school, the teacher reading it and blushing 😂😂

@omicroneridani7456 Жыл бұрын

Every video with Professor Janega is so damn worth watching. Certainly not the only historian I personally appreciate, but one of the most effective and enthralling, on a screen.

@lenyfreeman3807 Жыл бұрын

I had a childhood friend who's grandmother was Sally Stanford. She was a madam in San Francisco, moved to Sausalito, and created a "restaurant" with a red light in the window. The name was Valhalla. I went there as a kid, had no idea. Later, Mom filled me in. Sally wrote a book Call Me Madam. It was a run read.

@susanwhite7474 4 ай бұрын

Didn't she have a dog she named Leland, after the son of the creators of Stanford University?

@sw_9_9_9 3 ай бұрын

She has her own wiki page, and yes, Leland her dog appears to have have been named after the son of the creators of Stanford University (Leland Stanford Jr. died of typhoid fever aged 15).

@NomenFugazi Жыл бұрын

Without antibiotics and condoms it must have been like russian roulette.

@larsliamvilhelm 3 ай бұрын

There's a reason why "sex only after marriage" was common practice...

@dylancrosby2451 3 ай бұрын

@@larsliamvilhelmhuh, interesting. I'd always thought of that as a religious practice, so it never occurred to me that there could be another reason. It makes sense tbh.

@larsliamvilhelm 3 ай бұрын

@@dylancrosby2451 Yup. It was in part due to religion, but probably even more so having to do with pure pragmatism, and the fundamental understanding that sex produces children and you should always treat it as such.

@NietzscheanMan 3 ай бұрын

@@dylancrosby2451a lot of religious rules have very practical and naturally evolved reasons behind them.

@dantekanter5851 3 ай бұрын

Condoms existed. Not exactly a sophisticated piece of technology! They were made of sheep’s bladder.

@mrsrudo Жыл бұрын

I love this duo, SO much. Well done!

@Bleachman555 Жыл бұрын

This might be the best single piece of content I've ever seen on KZfaq. Truly amazing.

@LeonCouch Жыл бұрын

This was a fun video. My first real dive into this topic occurred in undergraduate music history class, where the mix of texts and such quickly demonstrated that the affluent classes (who left us written music) had different ideas sex, sacred/secular, etc. I began to quickly realize that European cultures all the way through the Renaissance had extremely different perceptions of the cosmos, morality, and so forth; and, how we often approached the music and leftover texts with modern questions and attitudes that weren't of primary interest to the writers. We also make a mistake that these writers were try to develop music and culture into what it became in later time periods, when we make up histories to explain all the evidence left to us.

@revanofkorriban1505 Жыл бұрын

What was the class called? Just curious, I took a class fitting your description. We had a good laugh about Orlande de Lassus’s tad lewd song matara, mia cara (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdJlZMyEuZ-cmHU.html).

@B_Bodziak 4 ай бұрын

@@revanofkorriban1505 The OP literally says "music history" as an undergrad. The class was likely listed as "Music History", perhaps, even a 101/102

@revanofkorriban1505 4 ай бұрын

@@B_Bodziak "a music history class" refers to the subject, not the specific course title. And you might want to drop the pretentious language. You don't know any more than me.

@michellestratford9753 10 ай бұрын

I want a list of those pick up lines!! They're fabulous!😅😂. Great video!❤️

@Michael-bf1dt 5 ай бұрын

Hi Michelle how are you. Greetings from Ireland. It’s a good video. Best wishes to you 👍🙏😊 Michael

@c704710 Жыл бұрын

One of my favorite medieval riddles: "It is pointy on top, hairy at its base, it often makes ladies cry, but they like it in the pantry" There is only one answer possible to this riddle: An onion.

@casy6203 7 ай бұрын

😒🤣🤣

@sumcrazychic2832 Жыл бұрын

I love the way you ladies bring it to the light without casting shame or stones. 6 minutes in and I adore you both.

@Raymondgogolf Жыл бұрын

Hi sumcrazychic I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹🌹🌹🌹

@Pub4si Жыл бұрын

@@Raymondgogolf bruh

@JustDaniel6764 11 ай бұрын

@@Raymondgogolf Raymond you've copy and pasted this comment to numerous people 😂😂 What are you playing at

@whatsinaname11 10 ай бұрын

Pompeii is amazing, and eye opening.

@cherienugent9587 8 ай бұрын

It's life, it's history

@LivingInCloud1 Жыл бұрын

What an excellent and balanced episode. No judging, just facts delivered in a laid back format. Loved it.

@subicstationditosailor4053 Жыл бұрын

"Laid" back..... 😉

@mehere6865 11 ай бұрын

saw what you did there hehehe

@47StormShadow 7 ай бұрын

No judging? Did you listen to it? The whole time she was talking about the churches views on sexuality it was very clear that she views them in a negative light. Tbh I feel pretty judged.

@jkkimora6350 5 ай бұрын

@@47StormShadow i think thats just your fault. the church had a lot of power and a negative view on sexuality, that is just a fact. if you are someone open minded like her of course you're going to have a negative view on how the church was back then

@47StormShadow 5 ай бұрын

@@jkkimora6350 if you mean some people in the church had a negative view of sex, like Augustine that's fine. He was a wounded man. Saying the church as a whole had a negative view simply isn't true. Aquinas, which she gets wrong by the way, held that sex always was pleasurable and that is a good thing. Moreover I'd ask you to supply an official doctrine ( as opposed to any random Catholics opinion) that states the sex is an odious necessity. There are certain puritan or Nostic groups that DO hold that view and even some Catholics then and today still seem to think that way but youve for to under there is a big difference between that and making the claim that the church as a whole held a negative view. The only way I could see you being correct is if you hold that saying fornication is a sin is defacto negative. If that's the case I have no shot of arguing you out of the point of view. Best case scenario I could make a case that it's not always cut and dry.

@rwv3n Ай бұрын

love kate's podcast and the episodes with Eleanor as guest are always my favourites

@Wokerati 10 ай бұрын

she s the reason i’m interested in medieval period ! she’s so good at explaining and making history interesting! she and Ruth Goodman should do a series together !

@edbecker696 8 ай бұрын

I just found this site, one year AFTER it was posted. Some of those Medieval "pickup lines " at around 9 minutes are funny, others GREAT! Is there a collection of these, maybe in a coffee-table book?

@kevinmorgan2968 Жыл бұрын

I don’t understand how this woman does not have her own show.

@alanwayte432 9 ай бұрын

Either of them, they are easy and informative to listen to

@catalina-b 3 ай бұрын

It the presenter doesn’t back up her statements with any proof

@rglittle6 2 жыл бұрын

"We tend to think about sex work as a modern invention." Really? I thought we call it "the oldest profession in the world" 🤔

@LadyRavenhaire 2 жыл бұрын

No, It's not the oldest profession. The oldest profession was hunter/gatherer. Prostitution is the oldest exploitation.

@floydvaughn836 2 жыл бұрын

Sex work is code for prostitution. Sex worker is code for prostitute. New Speak. Kind of like People of Color is new Speak for Colored People. See how this works?

@757Bricksquad 2 жыл бұрын

We do

@lukeet331 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm with you I never thought it was modern at all

@norituk9824 2 жыл бұрын

@Ryan L - I thought sex was invented by Madonna. She seems to think so.

@andersonic 7 ай бұрын

All this time I never realized medieval "courtly love" was extramarital. From a modern lens it sounded like aesthetic bachelors swooning poetically over their idealized ladies. That's probably a Victorian romantic view of the middle ages.

@chris.asi_romeo 8 ай бұрын

"I'm an ambassador sent by court of love" dang that's a cool pick uo line. 👏👏👏

@alumbo Жыл бұрын

I LOVED this video. Presenters were amazing. They made the medieval scene not so distant after all.

@millardfillmore241 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this video, the humor in helped bring the middle ages to life. It was like having two smart friends over telling you junk while you had a laugh.

@Shirumoon 6 ай бұрын

I've always had a fascination for the European medieval times so this way a really fun and educational watch!

@dianebannister4591 6 ай бұрын

This was an exceptionally interesting video!

@Clayshooter107 Жыл бұрын

This was Great! I laughed along with these two as they are comfortable laying it all out there for us to appreciate. Thanks, Ladies!!

@bonniebickett4520 Жыл бұрын

Did you also notice that in the pictures/ paintings that , I would guess, 85% of the women were redheads? Aka witches....... lol

@BhutJolokias 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a fantastic and interesting discussion from two knowledgeable ladies.

@HarrisonFlanders 7 сағат бұрын

This channel is AMAZING

@Apophis150 Жыл бұрын

I knew before I clicked it would be Eleanor presenting this 😂 excellent content as always!

@soncereahawkins6934 Жыл бұрын

Omg!! This was amazing!! Well done, i was entertained and educated. This was so well done! 👍🏻 Cheers to you!

@Michael-bf1dt Жыл бұрын

Hi Soncerea how are you. Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪 to USA 🇺🇸. It’s a good video. Best wishes for a lovely day 😊🙏 Michael

@MadameSomnambule 10 ай бұрын

I got into a comic book series set in the middle ages and I’ve been looking into irl medieval history since then out of curiosity. It’s really cool to get even just a small look at what everyday life was like and how our social norms have changed since then.

@elizaveta157 5 ай бұрын

Mind sharing the book series' name?

@kimjongun2081 3 ай бұрын

@@elizaveta157I’m curious

@Jay-ql4gp 10 ай бұрын

This was so interesting, thank you!

@jobe6783 2 жыл бұрын

Love you’re coat doc!! And I’m so glad I’ve come across your videos! So interesting, and you’ve got a real knack for making history interesting! God bless and cheers!

@cantrip7 2 жыл бұрын

What a cozy, informative doc. Was visually stimulating without going overboard. Wonderful job.

@scottamori3188 Жыл бұрын

These videos are quite well done.

@modestlyneutral Жыл бұрын

This is really interesting. Well done.

@emily9913 Жыл бұрын

I’ve always been curious about how things revolving around sex was like back in those days. Thank you so much for a great video! Learnt so much 😊

@muzak913 Жыл бұрын

@@Michael-bf1dt man down, man down

@esmeecampbell7396 Жыл бұрын

27:30 so Courtley Love literature has a "this could really destroy our dynastic succession" trope and it is the Medieval equivalent of "oh no step bro I'm stuck in the washing machine" 🤣

@k8marlowe Жыл бұрын

Fascinating! I got my degree in history, but I’ve learned so much just from this one episode. Medieval people are suddenly so relatable! 😁

@stewartstubbs5278 Жыл бұрын

History is nothing but Lies. You wasted your time & energy.

@lylemitchell1991 10 ай бұрын

@@user-oy3yo7qe6o Thats not what she said.

@stevenschnepp576 7 ай бұрын

I really hope that degree was just an associate's or focused on a different period, because this is a really surface-level documentary.

@k8marlowe 7 ай бұрын

@@stevenschnepp576 😏Wow. Really? It was a BA. But, my focus was on minorities in the southern u.s.. I wanted to put my mind and energy into cultures that have traditionally been overlooked. I certainly didn’t have much interest learning about an era that’s been exhaustively researched.

@jacqueline8559 5 ай бұрын

@@k8marloweBig deal. A basic level degree, where you racked up both debt and alcohol, to emerge with a useless qualification and nano chance of securing a decent job, never mind a career. Unless you're joining that well-trod road, of all the " I've got a rubbish degree " graduates, ...TEACHING 😂😂😂

@Moja_Bosna_Ponosna 7 ай бұрын

Medieval period has really unique yet fascinating things to get pleasure for themselves, unlike in this era where pleasure is really easy-to-use. Shout out to this channel for the very nice information!😸

@ginao6810 7 ай бұрын

Totally. You gotta take what you can get. You may not be able to afford a life of luxury, but an orgasm is free 👍

@christinawebster6847 Ай бұрын

Dr. Janega + Dr. Lister = DREAM TEAM

@Abebe345 Жыл бұрын

The Professor takes you into the time, sense and sensibility, along with arming you with the facts needed. Right in. Brilliant ability, work.

@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe there’s other people who actually think about things like this other than myself. Also, I can’t be the only person who was confused about why she kept referring to Courtney Love. It wasn’t until far into the video that I realized she was saying “courtly love”. 😅

@narcisoanasui246 Жыл бұрын

LOL

@Debbie1304 Жыл бұрын

same!!

@jamesmansfield9276 Жыл бұрын

Yesssss I was like WTF DOES SHE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?!?!😂😂😂

@OneRandomLeo Жыл бұрын

Same

@slydale Жыл бұрын

"Me", too

@Kate-ew6he 7 ай бұрын

Kate’s lipstick (and whole look) is on point!

@Danthehistoryman 7 ай бұрын

Fascinating episode showing how similar we all are then and now. I think my friends and I would have fit right in back then 😂

@seanmcgowan5778 2 жыл бұрын

This was so educational and freaking hilarious! Thank you guys so much please keep up the great work!!

@jonathankaufold7503 2 жыл бұрын

Yes sex work is great work

@gregoryalan9757 Жыл бұрын

I was checking the comments and I unearthed your profile, and though you seemed worth talking to, so i added you. Hope you don't mind?

@madonnaborromeo3961 Жыл бұрын

@@gregoryalan9757 welcome to my world, I’m an open book!

@gregoryalan9757 Жыл бұрын

@@madonnaborromeo3961 Wow that's nice, where are you from?

@KingsPriest Жыл бұрын

@CuteBrainiacGirl Жыл бұрын

I thought with this title, it would be hard to live up my expectations but it did! Very interesting and well done :)

@AngelicusImmortus 3 ай бұрын

As usual, an excellent video.

@mjowta 10 ай бұрын

Awesome channel great info thanks!!!!

@dennisbarker5986 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy the way they did this . Very educational but very hilarious at the same time .

@bobbygreen2134 Жыл бұрын

Dr. Eleanor Janega is wonderful. I saw her do a historian reacts to medieval movies and just listening to her talk about history was awesome love her enthusiastic delivery as she talks about this stuff

@resnonverba137 11 ай бұрын

Shame she can't speak English properly.

@moonfire41 4 ай бұрын

This was a fun one. I was also imagining the court jesters doing their routines around that subject too. Telling a raunchy tale while juggling. There was one who served a medieval king who always farted at the end.

@theylied1776 8 ай бұрын

The one thing that surprised me about Medieval life is that they had Music Festivals which lasted a week!

@hollyjhager Жыл бұрын

Wonderful translation of real scholarly history into something interesting for the general public-love it!

@KingsPriest Жыл бұрын

@dpspike9368 Жыл бұрын

If we had professors like Dr. Lister, I would still be studying at the university.

@Articulate99 3 ай бұрын

Interesting essay, thank you.

@GOLDESCAFLOWNE 7 ай бұрын

Excellent documentary 😎

@thoughtful_criticiser Жыл бұрын

I'm watching this video during the week that my daughter's school, founded in medieval times, is allowing me to go through the library's older books. I will keep a lookout in the margins!

@vancouverterry9142 Жыл бұрын

Years ago, the comedienne Erma Bombeck wrote a book "Motherhood, the Second Oldest Profession".

@vancouverterry9142 Жыл бұрын

@JZ's Best Friend Good one, Man, good one. It was all one string-on sentence in my notification window so I puzzled over it. But to see it on two separate lines, yes I get it . My compliments on your nuanced sense of universals. Cheers!

@heidimeigs5192 Жыл бұрын

I’ve read it. 😄

@WorkingProgress17 10 ай бұрын

This was so much fun to watch and quite a different perspective from what a lot of us are educated to believe.

@pastyman001 2 ай бұрын

In Banbury, the centre of the town is Parsons st., where Oliver Cromwell was based in the Olde Reine Deer Inn during the Civil War, Battle of Edge Hill . It used to be called Grope Cunt Lane.

@jamesCam69 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting! I didn't even realize this mattered to me! Lol! Eleanor is such a natural in the camera's eye! Her and Dr. Kate both are excellent in this, and with their chemistry, I wouldn't be surprised if they were great friends!

@efs797 Жыл бұрын

God bless KZfaq. I totally loved this discussion. Informative, entertaining, connecting, and funny. Bravo!

@djlondon7956 Жыл бұрын

Just a fantastic Programme and Presenters 😍🌞👌🏻👍🏻

@salvatoreleonard3201 Жыл бұрын

Congrats on your 700k Subs here to many more Subs

@markfilipas1763 Жыл бұрын

"So, what is sinful about sex? Purely pleasure." Yep, that sums up the sadistic psychology of orthodox religions. Well written piece : )

@70newlife Жыл бұрын

No not religions. Only European Christians which were about 5% of the world. In fact if you remember Muslims and hindus and others were considered licentious by Europeans. Don't project your problems on others.

@notrius7754 5 ай бұрын

All religions and cultures of the world make sex extremely taboo, why? Because by living and learning for centuries and milleniums they've realized that constant pursuit of sex makes people weak, useless, miserable and deprived, this is why they see things like this: Sex = pleasure, pleasure = avoidence of hard work and purpouse = corruption = evil.

@ash_11117 13 күн бұрын

No. The main reason for the prohibitions around it is because it is our belief that any sexual act that isn’t between a married man and women for the purpose of procreation is a sin.

@ScrogginHausen Жыл бұрын

Augustine was a Manichean gnostic who believed the material world was evil, including sex, before converting to Christianity. He still maintained and taught some of his former attitudes which influenced Aquinas and John Calvin (the latter is another subject). The thing is he did have what we would consider today a common-law wife.

@kimquinn7728 6 ай бұрын

Somehow the Church overlooked Deut. 24:5, “When a man is newly married, he should not serve in the army or be given any other duties. He should remain exempt for one year and *stay at home and bring joy to his wife*. JOY. Unfortunately, what was taught in Scripture was twisted by the church. Nowhere in the Bible does it say if you marry and there are no children AND on top of that you become too old to bear children, you must abstain. No. Sex between married people was proper and to be partaken of with consideration and joy. They have so much to answer for!

@ouchiedumpling2552 3 ай бұрын

Can we just have a weekly podcast/video/stream with Eleanor and Kate? Please????

@alquediosescuchatodo 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thanks for debunking so many preconceptions from the Medieval Period. I'm already looking forward to watching the next episode.

@laurenceweens9638 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Very informative 👏 👌. Can't wait for the next episode too.

@largemarge1603 Жыл бұрын

All my conceptions are suitably tossed. Now, I proudly proclaim my conceptions are post... post conceptions.

@KingsPriest Жыл бұрын

@jim-stacy Жыл бұрын

this is what every student of history wants to ask but doesn't! thank-you for the great production values and historical integrity.

@pmberkeley Жыл бұрын

I think assuming the prostitute was trans and not incorrectly sexed at birth by either the mother or midwife either deliberately or because of an intersex condition is NOT historical integrity.

@t.c.a.3335 Жыл бұрын

Now that is a wonderfully naïve and ignorant comment... what do you think education is for? To LEARN...

@KingsPriest Жыл бұрын

@Emily_M81 6 ай бұрын

Vienna really put a new meaning to "coming with bells on" lol...

@Not_a_witch 11 ай бұрын

The church’s rules around sex are funny considering they all directly contradict the Bible. The Bible says to not deny your partner from sex, which would mean it isn’t purely for the purpose of making children, but also to strengthen the relationship between husband and wife

@michelles2299 6 ай бұрын

Or its controlling

@Heavyisthecrown Ай бұрын

Very true. This is back when the church was super evil and more about political control unfortunately. Luckily today most churches are more about helping and have zero control over their members. My church is very very given and everything is about forgiveness and loving everyone. Nothing about rules or questions about things you do.