What Would Browning Do: FN's New High Power

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It seems like everyone is making a copy of the Browning High Power these days, and FN themselves have jumped into the arena as well. What FN is making isn't just a clone of the original pistol, though - they have built something largely new, taking inspiration and design cues from the original BHP to create a gun more suited to 2022 than 1935.
While the original High Power (or Hi Power, depending on what era you are looking at) is lovingly romanticized by many - and I totally understand why - it has a number of significant shortcomings by today's standards. It doesn't feed hollow points well. The triggers are often bad, in part because of the magazine safety. The sights are tiny. The capacity is underwhelming. And most significantly to me, they tend to have bloody hammer bite, forcing you to take a low grip or just suffer through.
The new FN High Power looks to have fixed all of that. It's a bigger pistol, but it offers a much more comfortable grip, modern style sights, a very nice single action trigger, and 17 round capacity (it does not interchange magazines with the original BHP). Let's take a closer look at what FN did, and why...
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@SuperiorAutocraft
@SuperiorAutocraft Жыл бұрын
This is a really roundabout way for Ian to say he got a new Bronco.
@justinholland9844
@justinholland9844 Жыл бұрын
I wish they would have called it the Hi-Power II to acknowledge it's not just an update, but a materially different pistol.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS Жыл бұрын
They renamed it High Power for that reason.
@pb68slab18
@pb68slab18 Жыл бұрын
@@WALTERBROADDUS Coulda called it the Higher Power?
@johnceena7322
@johnceena7322 Жыл бұрын
@@pb68slab18 There's only ONE higher power.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
They should have substituted the new designers name too.
@spets4265
@spets4265 Жыл бұрын
Hi-Power Mk420 because you have to be stoned to think this is a smart decision on FNs part.
@loganmeyer8104
@loganmeyer8104 Жыл бұрын
Almost positive that Browning would have loved the fact that people updated and optimized his design to push even more performance out of it over 100 years later.
@milkdrinker7
@milkdrinker7 7 ай бұрын
Exactly. I don't think it's possible to find an engineer who would ever say "What I did was perfect and there is no way it could ever have been done better."
@TheHunter-rp3bl
@TheHunter-rp3bl 5 ай бұрын
Idk...there was Hugo Borchardt lol@@milkdrinker7
@MrJames1034
@MrJames1034 5 ай бұрын
Browning was an innovator. He didn't care for the sentiment of keeping old things the way they were just for nostalgia. If he were still alive and working at FN today, he probably would've come out with even more advanced weapon designs by now.
@YourFavoriteBotGarethThompson
@YourFavoriteBotGarethThompson 4 ай бұрын
@@milkdrinker7 Henry and Borchardt: "Are you sure about that?"
@FoxtrotFleet
@FoxtrotFleet 3 ай бұрын
Don't forget about Dieudonne Saive, FN design who turned JMB's single stack striker fired sketches into the Hi Power we know today.
@ricardohumildebrabo
@ricardohumildebrabo Жыл бұрын
I like how Ian is immune to nostalgia and accepts good changes.
@jamesdalton2014
@jamesdalton2014 Жыл бұрын
"Immune to nostalgia"? After Ian talked about adding tangent sights and a shoulder stock to the modern version, I would say he's not totally immune. I just happen to think that's the right kind of nostalgia😉.
@alexanderlarsen6412
@alexanderlarsen6412 Жыл бұрын
This is paid advertising. Look at those tolerances.
@tacit9873
@tacit9873 Жыл бұрын
You can literally see the recoil spring between the slide and the frame
@LifeisGood762
@LifeisGood762 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen this channel? Lol
@Scroolewse
@Scroolewse Жыл бұрын
It's funny because the people angry about changes are the ones blaspheming John Browning. Change is good, if you can't recognize that you're gonna be made a fool of by whoever the next big innovator is.
@Echowhiskeyone
@Echowhiskeyone Жыл бұрын
I believe if Browning were around today, he'd be playing with plastics. And would always be improving his design. Plastic frame? Striker fired? Rails? Who knows what he would do. I like the changeable grips. Make different back straps, different beavertails? It could be fun to play with and customize.
@NoxiousButtSpray
@NoxiousButtSpray Жыл бұрын
You think JMB didn't know about strikers? 🤔
@TheStig505
@TheStig505 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think he would be a bit dissappointed that after almost 90 years, FN's new pistol would just be his finished design with some updates. Even the company that bears his name has stagnated into a hunting rifle manufacturer that pumps out the same rifles all the other competition makes.
@Echowhiskeyone
@Echowhiskeyone Жыл бұрын
@@NoxiousButtSpray Yep. Strikers have been around a long time. The Mauser action is contemporary with Browning, and very popular. But more for rifles at the time.
@ElCineHefe
@ElCineHefe Жыл бұрын
Browning would be designing ray guns today.
@l4game
@l4game Жыл бұрын
Striker-based trigger mechanism on a handgun is hardly an improvement though. More of a fad for consumers and a way to make the gun cheaper for manufacturers.
@modarkthemauler
@modarkthemauler Жыл бұрын
A note on the old broncos suspension being rough. When it came out the tires it was designed to use had higher sidewalls. Combine that with lower tire pressure and you get a pretty comfortable ride.
@jacehackworth6413
@jacehackworth6413 Жыл бұрын
Ford got in a lot of trouble for relying on that for the Explorer and some other vehicle I think. Pretty sure they blamed the tire manufacturer.
@cheyannei5983
@cheyannei5983 Жыл бұрын
@@jacehackworth6413 caused a lot of rollovers from people filling their tires to 30 psi, not 18
@Devin_Stromgren
@Devin_Stromgren Жыл бұрын
Bring back 15" rims!
@cheyannei5983
@cheyannei5983 Жыл бұрын
@@jacehackworth6413 They eventually settled the suit as having improperly educated the public on their new vehicle, since if you did load them properly and adjusted the tire pressure, it wasn't any more likely to roll over than a minivan. As part of that settlement they launched that "esuvee" campaign, including a Shockwave game I still remember from time to time.
@robertdonnell8114
@robertdonnell8114 Жыл бұрын
A long ago friend was one of the first people that I knew to concealed carry, he had a double shoulder holster with two high powers one under each armpit. Following his lead I started carrying a P-38 and extra mags. I miss my friend and still wish I had him at my side.
@johncashwell1024
@johncashwell1024 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 80s and, to me, there is just something cool and even a bit timeless about the shoulder holster. Coming in to the office or coming back home at the end of the day and taking off your suit coat or sport coat with the look of a shoulder rig with shirt & tie underneath, it just looks good, even professional and a bit svelte.
@TY-pf6vb
@TY-pf6vb Жыл бұрын
That’s badass
@8.6GivenAdqVacSysm
@8.6GivenAdqVacSysm Жыл бұрын
Shoulder holster over a fitted drab sweater, cargo pants, and a watch cap gives a nice Cold War operator vibe which is also rather badass. They are just classy and clean. The right choice if you are going to be carrying a full-size, metal frame without a doubt
@chrishavill6458
@chrishavill6458 Жыл бұрын
I want a shoulder holster for my Beretta 92x
@ericjosephgarand8585
@ericjosephgarand8585 Жыл бұрын
Your friend sounds a lot like Lt. Miller from *Mirror’s Edge* who also sports a double shoulder holster for his pistols. 😎
@MythicMagus
@MythicMagus Жыл бұрын
I find side by side comparisons like this fascinating. It's always interesting to see someone try to manufacture a new version of one of the oldest and most popular somethings.
@somedude669
@somedude669 Жыл бұрын
It's how I noticed the poor build quality on the new one.
@xaagripha7326
@xaagripha7326 Жыл бұрын
@@somedude669 making something with fine parts isn't always a good thing,can make a gun frail and repair prone. in my opinion if you cant throw a gun and brake something and it still work. then thats a gun thats going to fail you when you get blind sided and fall on it. it has to be simple and rugged. otherwise you wasted money.
@LethalByChoice
@LethalByChoice Жыл бұрын
@@xaagripha7326 *"making something with fine parts isn't always a good thing,can make a gun frail and repair prone."* You're not a gunsmith or someone who knows anything about how firearms work. *"in my opinion if you cant throw a gun and brake something and it still work then thats a gun thats going to fail you when you get blind sided and fall on it."* I would love to see your guns and how well you maintain them, because I'm guessing you don't at all take care of your guns if this is your view of how firearms should work. Seriously though, unless the gun is made out of adamantium this is pure fucking fantasy. There exists no gun that can still reliably work under the conditions you're listing. Common sense would tell you not abuse your firearms REGARDLESS of how rugged it is! Wow what a concept. You're not in fucking Vietnam. You don't need a gun to handle extreme abuse and rugged environments, you're just a regular American who goes to the shooting range occasionally/frequently. Worst case scenario you might have to shoot someone in self-defense in a Walmart parking lot. So why the fuck do you at all need a gun that can handle such extreme conditions? Are you the kind of person that thinks if a gun can't fire while completely frozen in sub-zero temperatures (like in Garand Thumb's Freezing Pistol Test) that it's a waste of money or a bad gun? *"it has to be simple and rugged otherwise you wasted money."* Dude commercial firearms are meant for civilian use, they're not designed for extremely harsh conditions because 99.99% of Americans will never find themselves in those kinds of extreme conditions. Just because you threw a handgun at a rock as hard as you could, something breaks, and it doesn't work anymore, that's not a problem with the gun, that's a problem with your fucking brain.
@theodoreheintz7891
@theodoreheintz7891 Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting to note that the high power as originally designed by John Moses Browning was I think a 16 round gun. Daive savon is the one who really should get the credit for the high power as it was finally produced which was dramatically different.
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR Жыл бұрын
Dieudonné Saive *
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын
*Dieudonné Saive?
@theodoreheintz7891
@theodoreheintz7891 Жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember yep you are correct, that was voice to text butchery.
@williamsavageii9569
@williamsavageii9569 Жыл бұрын
This ain't yo mama's HI POWER! IT'S BETTER! HA!
@M4V3R1CK_13
@M4V3R1CK_13 Жыл бұрын
but saive was browning's protegé, so crediting browning isn't wrong. also Saive improved the BAR with the FN BAR Model/Type D
@jano1574
@jano1574 Жыл бұрын
A propos FN: I was in Liège last weekend and went to the Curtius Arms Collection, saw a couple of the pieces you did videos about, amazing experience!
@tristanshockley7764
@tristanshockley7764 9 ай бұрын
They made it bigger to be a 1:1 recreation of the 9mm pistol from new Vegas
@ryanparker7258
@ryanparker7258 Жыл бұрын
I used the browning hp on active duty and never had a problem with it , it never caused my hands to be sore or drew blood and we spent 1-2 days a month on the range going through different scenarios on what we might encounter. But not everyone is the same we all have different ways of holding a weapon. Still my favourite pistol from all the ones I have fired. Ian that was a great video of an iconic weapon please keep up the great work your doing, from a UK 🇬🇧 veteran. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
@jimbob465
@jimbob465 Жыл бұрын
I honestly beleive Americans have a distaste for the hipower. I think it's because we all know deep down it was better than the beloved 1911. I own and carry both. But I cannot afford this new version.
@LethalByChoice
@LethalByChoice Жыл бұрын
@@jimbob465 "I honestly beleive Americans have a distaste for the hipower. I think it's because we all know deep down it was better than the beloved 1911." What a passive-aggressive and patronizing take my dude. You're wrong on both, but aight think what you want.
@scottthorning3963
@scottthorning3963 Жыл бұрын
I've sure had great luck with mine!
@celer__et__audax
@celer__et__audax 9 ай бұрын
Agreed. It was my service pistol in the Canadian Army. I never had any issues with the hammer contacting my hand. Some of ours had cutouts for the old wooden shoulder stock and tangent sites though the stocks/holsters were long gone.
@MichaelTodd-tq8dk
@MichaelTodd-tq8dk 6 ай бұрын
@@jimbob465 Springfield SA-35.... Save you $500.
@krihanek117
@krihanek117 Жыл бұрын
I always wanted a High Power and I wanted it without the magazine safety and with a hammer that doesn't bite. What FN created is an entirely different gun. It's not svelte like the P-35. It has a lot of modern features and sure it's nice to have another choice in your buying decision. The Springfield clone works for me. It has the features I wanted.
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that obese thing is not a high power.
@arthurhuerta4234
@arthurhuerta4234 Жыл бұрын
@@jacobmccandles1767 and it has a smaller barrel under cut
@jonathanknowles7814
@jonathanknowles7814 Жыл бұрын
There's really no reason to call this pistol a "Hi Power" other than for marketing purposes. It's like if Winchester/Browning made a new lever action rifle called the "1873", but its in 5.56 and uses AR mags. It could be a great gun, but its definitely not an 1873. I'm not sure what market they're targeting with this thing. Ian suggests that it's "just for fun", but if that's the case, why would I care about the modernizations? Seems like an unhappy medium.
@mikebunetta7420
@mikebunetta7420 Жыл бұрын
Springfield 👍
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Жыл бұрын
The gun you want is a Girsan MC P35 Match for $699.
@billfoster213
@billfoster213 Жыл бұрын
A comparison of the new Springfield and the FN would be interesting.
@ronaldmasterbud1551
@ronaldmasterbud1551 Жыл бұрын
Yes !!!!
@keithmiller6277
@keithmiller6277 Жыл бұрын
Look into the Girsan Hi Power. I like mine.
@maxman1602
@maxman1602 Жыл бұрын
Better yet, the Longthorne Defiance. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z8pkdKqcxKewZZc.html
@ryanthomas2374
@ryanthomas2374 Жыл бұрын
@@keithmiller6277 i just got one, i love it.. i should have got it sooner. I will be getting the SA35.. Not big on the FN what didnt sell me is mag compatiblilty.
@burningsporkdeath
@burningsporkdeath Жыл бұрын
The 15rd Mecgar magazines for the original High Powers are flawless in my experience with a FN Browning and an Argentine FMAP.
@adammanning8882
@adammanning8882 Жыл бұрын
I have 2 Argentine FMs, they’re both fantastic. I’ve used nothing but Mecgar 15s, never had a single failure
@CaptainSeamus
@CaptainSeamus Жыл бұрын
Same, with the FEG PJK9HP. They just work.
@samusaurus
@samusaurus 9 ай бұрын
Anything from mecgar I’ve found to hold up well and function flawlessly.
@solomongrundy9735
@solomongrundy9735 7 ай бұрын
I love Mecgar mags, they're very high quality.
@quantdoc
@quantdoc Жыл бұрын
Browning was an innovative designer. He didn't like criticism but he was all about incremental improvement. Look at the steps he took to get to the 1911. Thanks Ian.
@johnsanko4136
@johnsanko4136 Жыл бұрын
I just miss the high gloss finish. I know glossy guns are the antethisis of modern style, but the glossy mark 3 high powers are just gorgeous.
@chrisadkins602
@chrisadkins602 Жыл бұрын
Small correction. The original Hi Power does not have a flat main spring as stated in this video. It has a flat sear spring, but the main spring is a coil spring captured on the hammer strut with a small pin and retainer.
@bomberclaatarte2163
@bomberclaatarte2163 Жыл бұрын
The sear springs were modified a few times and were prone to snap.... had an unfortunate incident whereby the firer lost his life due to the pistol firing 3 rounds in quick succession... and the slides were prone to crack
@marks1638
@marks1638 Жыл бұрын
I wasn't enamored of everything on my Browning HP (I bought it in 1981 and immediately got rid of the magazine safety). I love the feel of the gun and as Ian has said it's a svelte design, with a narrow frame, and aesthetically pleasing. A couple of years ago I had it upgraded with new sights (the old sights suck), a Type III variation upgrade, and a Safety Fast System (SFS) (developed at FN and installed by BHSpring Solutions) that allows me to carry it loaded with the hammer down and reengage the hammer by disengaging the safety. It shoots much better and it's easier to carry without the hammer snagging. I like the new Springfield HP variation (I'll probably buy one in the near future) and this new FN version looks interesting also. There is no perfect gun, and any design can be improved. (Some designs are eternal like the 1911, but still can be improved).
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 Жыл бұрын
Oooh! The SFS! Someone finally mentions it! haha awesome 😀 I did get more than a few HP's, love them, there's History behind them, and then there's the kilo of weight to help with recoil, something I appreciate much indeed. I put one of those systems on each of my HP's but one, just to keep it original, it was a '70s Belgian FN. So, in case you're reading this for some random reason and never heard about the SFS, it does a couple things, first its side effect: The trigger becomes crisp, lightweight, a pleasure to handle. Then the safety, main part and reason of the system, cocks the hammer as it gets disengaged. And also has a firing pin cover. Amazing accessory, a must get. Cheers.
@iyn1911
@iyn1911 Жыл бұрын
The grip size was the soul of the pistol.
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын
This. All day long.
@LethalByChoice
@LethalByChoice Жыл бұрын
Are you insinuating that the new version isn't as good simply because of aesthetics? Dude sometimes you need to put aside your nostalgia and accept that times change and that there's nothing wrong with revising a old design.
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын
@@LethalByChoice it isn't aesthetics, it's fit. . I shoot my issued G19 well enough, but it doesn't fit my hand as well as my personal G48, no matter how many extra rounds it holds. So it goes with the new HP versus the old. Ecconomy of size is what made it the goldilocks gun for many shooters.
@LethalByChoice
@LethalByChoice Жыл бұрын
@@jacobmccandles1767 Fair enough then. Different strokes.
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын
@@LethalByChoice exactly. I'm 6' tall and 250 lbs. My Dutch-Irish hands are thick as bear paws, but my poor trigger finger is no longer than my pinky. Thus I like a skinny grip...and low bore axis is always a plus.
@factsoftheconfederacy7151
@factsoftheconfederacy7151 Жыл бұрын
I still think the CZ-75 is the hi-power perfected.
@TheFanatical1
@TheFanatical1 Жыл бұрын
It is difficult to justify this pistol when the CZ-75 exists. I was half expecting Ian to say "and they made the possibly unwise but profitable decision to *not* use CZ-75 magazines, because they want to sell their own magazines."
@BeingFireRetardant
@BeingFireRetardant Жыл бұрын
CZ 75 SP-01 is my favorite duty pistol. All the ergonomics of the original, but all the right modern features. If you like full frame all metal hammer fired pistols, that is... Love the looks of the original 1935 GP, but this new version seems to fail at truly modernizing, really kinda ruins the aesthetics, is clearly made with cheap materials and questionable design choices, and costs a mortgage payment. My CZ was just over half the price, has a twenty round capacity, is more robust in every way, has better ergonomics, and greater attention was paid to small details. It is flat out the better purchase all around.
@grahamhawes7089
@grahamhawes7089 Жыл бұрын
To me, the chunkiness ruins the aesthetic, which is the only reason to get this gun. For a big, heavy, hammer-fired, metal-framed “duty” pistol you have nice, smooth-shooting options at lower prices, like the CZ-75 or Berettas. And if you want to go full Browning fun-factor just shoot a 1911! Overall I think this brings nothing to the table and won’t be a success.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy Жыл бұрын
Or shoot a 1911 - in 9mm. Just to confuse people.
@five5105
@five5105 Жыл бұрын
@@AshleyPomeroy definitely not me out here with a 9mm 1911
@harryspeakup8452
@harryspeakup8452 Жыл бұрын
Bear in mind for the European market there is more Hi-Power nostalgia than 1911 nostalgia. I doubt they expect to sell many in the USA
@RedXlV
@RedXlV Жыл бұрын
This. If it weren't for that fat slide, I might be interested.
@ironmonkey1512
@ironmonkey1512 Жыл бұрын
Lots of interest in 2011 pistols, this could be a nice alternative especially when they come out with tactical/race versions
@randallcrosby1090
@randallcrosby1090 Жыл бұрын
I had a browning High Power some forty years ago. I'd never owned a semi-auto an I was impressed at how sweet she handled. Accuracy was very impressive as well. I sometimes wish I'd held on to it.
@joshj.4051
@joshj.4051 Жыл бұрын
I’ve learned a lot from you. From how the different weapons were developed to some of characters who came up with them. If Browning was still alive today my guess is that he’d say “Cool, why didn’t I think of that!”
@johnsullivan6709
@johnsullivan6709 Жыл бұрын
Given that somehow it makes make me think its got a bit of 1911 in it maybe this what he would have designed as a update?
@WhatIsSanity
@WhatIsSanity Жыл бұрын
My understanding of J. M. Browning was that he was an inventor that enjoyed making new things. He would probably find people getting upset at the mere existence of anything new pretty ridiculous.
@infantjones
@infantjones Жыл бұрын
@@WhatIsSanity People aren't upset that it's new, people are upset that it's a poorly made FN 509 derivative being sold for over twice the price it justifies, all on the back of forced aesthetic similarities to the BHP.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 Жыл бұрын
Some of it. I don't think he'd be impressed with how fat the new one is.
@WhatIsSanity
@WhatIsSanity Жыл бұрын
@@infantjones You are legit the first person I've seen with valid criticism, except for the poorly made part. So far we have no reason to doubt it's sturdiness. Ian already gave it a little test.
@theodoreheintz7891
@theodoreheintz7891 Жыл бұрын
That removable backstrap is begging for some sort of retro looking stabilizing device!🤔
@TheTrueNorth11
@TheTrueNorth11 Жыл бұрын
Depression from Canada.
@bearofbusines
@bearofbusines Жыл бұрын
My condolences
@FL-Kman
@FL-Kman Жыл бұрын
Carve a moose antler into a hi-power 😂
@gorilla_with_jetpack4102
@gorilla_with_jetpack4102 Жыл бұрын
Start making toilet paper rolls that assemble into fully functional AA/Bayraktabots It will happen at some point. Might as well start now I tell ya!
@howiemandel5787
@howiemandel5787 Жыл бұрын
Everyone in californias right there with you brother we can’t even get gen 4 glocks
@snailfarmer
@snailfarmer Жыл бұрын
And from the UK. At least you can drive cross the border and try one out 😁
@BigBackInk
@BigBackInk Жыл бұрын
The more I watch these videos about the Hi-Power, either old ones or the new and improved ones, I want one. Also because I have a Star BM and a 1911. Im convinced the BM is a blend of Hi-Power and 1911. The collector in me really wants an example of each.
@gringostarr69
@gringostarr69 Жыл бұрын
I used 80's FN high-power during my army servise 03-04. Loved it even though it was worn and torn and rattled like hell. Still no malfunctions ever. Nice to see back!
@logophobe
@logophobe Жыл бұрын
Very interesting to see all these changes. Certainly can't blame FN for wanting to modernize given how many old production High Powers are out there. I have a Springfield SA-35 that has some of these same improvements (no mag safety, shortened hammer, bigger sights) but keeps most of the aesthetic elements and frame size from the original. It's quickly become my favorite range pistol, and I'd definitely recommend it for anybody who likes the idea of a new production High Power but thinks FN took this version a little too far.
@noturfather1106
@noturfather1106 Жыл бұрын
The sa 35 is the one out of the three new hi powers that looks the most like a hi power. It's the one I want if I can't find it for less than 1000 lol
@CircaSriYak
@CircaSriYak Жыл бұрын
There is actually a Hi Power on the market that incorporated all the modern advances in materials and engineering that you would expect in an otherwise modern handgun. It's called the FNX.
@knightofastora1324
@knightofastora1324 Жыл бұрын
I think you're missing the point. Nobody is buying a hi power in 2022 as a duty gun like the fnx. People want them for the old school JMB drip, just without the old school issues.
@infantjones
@infantjones Жыл бұрын
@@knightofastora1324 and the new Lie Power manages to fail on both lol
@RobertMcCool-yl4mu
@RobertMcCool-yl4mu Жыл бұрын
@@knightofastora1324 Well, I guess my name is Nobody. The Springfield SA-35 is my primary carry gun.
@johnnyappleseed6415
@johnnyappleseed6415 Жыл бұрын
Like the evolution of most things, the item inevitably becomes larger. I can remember when a Mini Cooper would fit in the bed of a pick-up, now those vehicles are only Mini in name. Insert something about trading the soul of the item for the sake of comfort, cheaper manufacturing efforts and feature creep...
@TysoniusRex
@TysoniusRex Жыл бұрын
What I really love about the Hi-Power is the grip. It fits my hand so well, it almost seems to aim itself. Very, very nice. I'm not sure that the new model will have that same feel. But I'm willing to check it out.
@chapiit08
@chapiit08 Жыл бұрын
The closest to the Hi-Power grip would be the CZ75, as a plus you get SA/DA, standard 15 round or 17 after market magazine and the unique SIG P210 long rail frame wrapping the slender low profile slide.
@TysoniusRex
@TysoniusRex Жыл бұрын
@@chapiit08 Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can find one.
@CDCI3
@CDCI3 Жыл бұрын
It looks like they needed the "thumbprint" because that disassembly lever needs to pass through that when it swivels.
@PHIllip324
@PHIllip324 Жыл бұрын
I personally think almost everything here could've been done with a "Mk4" design: change the hammer, get rid of the magazine disconnect, add an optics cut, give us a light rail, and maybe do something about that trigger. This new gun's existence isn't blasphemous, just pointless.
@CeltKnight
@CeltKnight Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this detailed review and that FN is "modernizing" the classic. However, I'll stick to my old MkII. It was my first duty piece when, back in the late '80s I first started toting a pistol along with a badge. It's been through a LOT of training and a LOT of rounds and has always had a good trigger. Use and some work by a talented but sadly late local gunsmith improved that to a really good trigger. It's still very accurate, reliable, and compact enough to tote (assuming I'm compelled to carry a full weight pistol with lots of sharp edges). It's great to see the Hi-Power hasn't died so much as evolved, but I'll stick to my classic, thank you. ;)
@robosoldier11
@robosoldier11 Жыл бұрын
being one that owns a Hi-power and really just a spin off copy of one from Hungary. I got to say my biggest pet peeve is the price. Frankly if you want to get a Hi-power just get a cheaper original/copy of the design. Versus this. It just seems odd, I'm sure there are some improvements but not enough to make the price eye gouging.
@billdoetree4313
@billdoetree4313 Жыл бұрын
why do every single one of you boomers feel the need to tell your life story surrounding the gun at hand? we know that high powers and revolvers were carried by lots of law enforcement. nobody cares. tl;dr
@mauricematla8379
@mauricematla8379 Жыл бұрын
Talented ? Or skillful ?
@CeltKnight
@CeltKnight Жыл бұрын
@@mauricematla8379 - Without skills (which are learned and developed) he wouldn't have been a gunsmith, or at least not much of one. But he had Talent (inherent, in born, came with the brain) that allowed him to learn skills more quickly than most and see his way around the innards of a gun better than most. Talent always helps, but it only takes you so far. Skills are learned and in the end are what take you through it. But Talent and skill together are art.
@CeltKnight
@CeltKnight Жыл бұрын
@@robosoldier11 - I just didn't address the price, but you're quite right. I have to think that at some planning meeting someone suggested making an every man's affordable pistol ... and he was shouted down. FWIW, someone probably suggested a polymer frame and got tossed out a window.
@richardcaves3601
@richardcaves3601 8 ай бұрын
Learner pistol shooting with this 50 years ago, courtesy of HMRNZN, at Wangaparoa, aged 17. Loved just about everything about it - grip, balance, ease of use, simple dis-assembly, even the sight picture was good for 30 yards. Kept using it when I left Navy, at local pistol club, but at 50m competition range, with rebuilt sights - great gun. New model looks to be a great improvement with the few flaws ironed out. Well done.
@RonaldArthurDewhirst
@RonaldArthurDewhirst 2 ай бұрын
As a UK viewer I'm amazed at the complexity and ingenuity of these firearms.
@williamlloyd3769
@williamlloyd3769 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for walking us through both the pistols.
@miketeeveedub5779
@miketeeveedub5779 Жыл бұрын
That is what I consider a 'resto-mod' pistol: Looks like a classic pistol, but tactfully updated to a modern standard. I like it!
@leoncolwin8645
@leoncolwin8645 Жыл бұрын
You're probably the only guy who would choose this pistol over Springfield's Hi Power clone.
@noddaz
@noddaz Жыл бұрын
@@leoncolwin8645 Nope. I would like to buy a new FN High Power also.
@NathanSF-qr2ds
@NathanSF-qr2ds 6 ай бұрын
@@leoncolwin8645 Well seeing as I can actually comfortably operate it left handed, I would buy this pistol over the SA-35
@tankfixer59
@tankfixer59 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comparison, I was curious about the new version and this helps me decide to add one to the collection in the future.
@sg51psd04
@sg51psd04 Жыл бұрын
Love the SA-35. This "new" gun from FN should have received its own nomenclature.
@masteranger4499
@masteranger4499 Жыл бұрын
At very least "high power II" just to avoid confusion if nothing else. Like when they call a piston rifle an "AR15" just because they matched the look.
@romeoechofoxtrot18
@romeoechofoxtrot18 Жыл бұрын
It would have been nice to see them do a full tactical version with an Optics Mount and a rail. However I don't think they want anything in their catalog to compete with the 509 series of handguns, so we probably won't see it.
@rollastudent
@rollastudent Жыл бұрын
I imagine they will come with one later, or at least they is why I am holding out on buying one. To continue his comparison, they didn’t offer the Bronco Raptor the first model year either
@funkla65
@funkla65 Жыл бұрын
@@rollastudent yeah, FN's habit is to introduce the more basic version first, and gussied up Tactical and scaled down mids and compacts later. I kinda expect a High Power Tactical at SHOT 2023.
@geodkyt
@geodkyt Жыл бұрын
I don't see a "Tacticool" version of this High Power competing with their 509 market. Two *vastly* different demos, there. 509 buyers are more pragmatic (if sometimes a bit hipster), while anyone seriously interested in a single action hammered fired metal framed pistol is being driven primarily by nostalgia and mechanical conservatism. Think "Glock" versus "1911" fans - even if a company sold both a Glock clone and a modernized STI clone, they wouldn't be competing with themselves for market share, as they'd ben selling each to mostly different groups of people altogether.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS Жыл бұрын
Does everything in this world have to be tacticool?
@philmcglen6194
@philmcglen6194 Жыл бұрын
I can see this being an option down the line. Would be pretty cool to update this pistol for the 21st modern military.
@badopinionsrighthere
@badopinionsrighthere Жыл бұрын
My only real complaint is I'd rather have wood grip panels, but that's just me being weird (I don't like the brown plastic. A different color even would be fine with me, just that brown doesn't sit well for some reason). Otherwise I think this is a brilliant update. It's not like John Browning considered his designs sacred.
@mortisCZ
@mortisCZ Жыл бұрын
From what I see there are already some options from other companies that should work with the new design. I'm with you on this one because this is not a tacticool or heavy duty military pistol. It's a modern tribute to the original gun.
@aggrodkreg4321
@aggrodkreg4321 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure they can come with all black grips. But I agree with you, those brown grips just look odd. Fortunately, this can be easily updated. I personally liked the G10 grips Ian showed here a lot.
@tiiBBzi
@tiiBBzi Жыл бұрын
I ain't a fan of plastic either, but I do have a soft spot for Bakelite, being the first and all. Obviously it's not Bakelite, but the color does remind me of it. So I'm partial.
@michaelblacktree
@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын
I agree, the brown plastic looks cheesy. It makes me think "fake wood" even if that wasn't the intention.
@nucleargrizzly1776
@nucleargrizzly1776 Жыл бұрын
As soon as one of my friend's is foolish enough to pay $1300 for one I'll make them a set of stabilized desert ironwood grips. None have bitten yet. 😁
@SabreLilly.
@SabreLilly. Жыл бұрын
The one thing I'm not fond of is the extra width, which in reality is a minor complaint. I like the narrower form factor of the older ones more for my small hands
@russbetts1467
@russbetts1467 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, Ian. I'm a traditionalist, but even I can see the logic behind the re-design of the Browning High Power. Many years ago, I owned an Inglis Browning I picked up abroad, when I was still a schoolboy. Where my father was serving at the time - in the 1950's - WW2 firearms were lying around everywhere and you just took your pick. My Inglis was of WW2 vintage - but without the Tangent Rear Sight and no shoulder stock - and someone in the know, showed me how to remove the Magazine Safety, which greatly improved the trigger. Having smallish hands, I never experienced any hammer bite problems, even when I grew up. Over the years, I made a number of minor mods to it, by replacing the Front Sight and widening the slot in the Rear Sight. Being English, I finally 'lost' the Inglis in 1996, following the Dunblane Massacre, when H.M. Government confiscated all our handguns. If I were in a position to replace it, I would probably buy the Springfield Armoury SP-35, just because I am a traditionalist; a case of 'The Devil You Know'.
@craighansen7594
@craighansen7594 Жыл бұрын
The original Hi Power is one that I would like to add to my collection. I do not see this new design as hurting the original in any way. It is little more than a tribute to the original. By the way I daily drive a old classic Ford Bronco. It is used for a work vehicle and although fully restored 20 years ago, shows its use. Yes, it is bumpy, loud and hot in summer.
@alun7006
@alun7006 Жыл бұрын
I like the concept, and I'm sure it will do well. If anyone wants a truly high-end new-production Hi Power, the bespoke British gunmaker Longthorne is now making a couple of stunning options. Full custom scrollwork engraving, very fancy walnut grips, etc.
@infantjones
@infantjones Жыл бұрын
It's poorly made (look at the pitting! Bad casting) despite being 1,400 dollars and is a substantially dfferent design than the BH without really improving on existing hi-power modernizations, and that doesnt satisfy most requirements for a modern duty gun and is handily beat out by the Springfield clone in fun factor and trueness to the design. It is going to fail.
@somedayzo6
@somedayzo6 Жыл бұрын
Tremendous review as always. Great content and even better is your presentation!
@kirkosadetz6530
@kirkosadetz6530 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Ian for a comprehensive comparison. Many of us who served in Commonwealth counties have an original for nostalgic reasons. Mine still shoots accurately and reliably even with the magazine disconnect (although this makes clearing the gun problematic at some competitions, even if you care a spare empty mag). For all the updates I’m surprised that single action was not replaced by double action. There was a DA Hungarian version from, I think, the late sixties. The significant increase in width doesn’t seem like an improvement, nor would it appear necessary. Nostalgia has a shelf life, old soldiers fade away and while it is nice to see both the FN and SA versions pay homage to a veteran design it’s hard to think that there will be much of a market for this in a world with so many reliable, accurate, much simpler and likely less expensive DA pistols.
@mattcallaway7164
@mattcallaway7164 Жыл бұрын
My first handgun ever back in the early 2000's was a Hi-Power. I still love them and have a Charles Daly copy, but there are definitely things I don't like about it. It would seem this new version fixes those issues, I'm all for it. Expensive, but it's not like I'm going to buy 10 of them. I hope they do well.
@TrojanManSCP
@TrojanManSCP Жыл бұрын
That is a lot of improvement. If they ever make one with tangent sights, I'll buy one immediately. Yeah, I know, those sights aren't as good, but I must have the gun from Tin-Tin.
@michaeljull1175
@michaeljull1175 Жыл бұрын
Truly iconic, loved that show
@markyoung2981
@markyoung2981 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time posting this interesting information.
@jedpeeler4199
@jedpeeler4199 3 ай бұрын
I have purchased two Browning Hi-Powers in my lifetime. I gave my original broken in 1969 pistol to a good friend in Las Vegas for her protection, as a Christmas gift. I purchased the relatively rare 2017 Digi-Camo model and I ;love it! It outshoots the Glock 17 Generation 5 that I also bought a few years ago. I would buy the new High- Power if I were buying a new one today, but I would replace the plastic part inside the gun with a metal part, as it became available.
@alexdemoya2119
@alexdemoya2119 Жыл бұрын
FINALLY a new pistol I am interested in
@nucleargrizzly1776
@nucleargrizzly1776 Жыл бұрын
But $1200-$1300?
@Totemparadox
@Totemparadox Жыл бұрын
@@nucleargrizzly1776 Ok, and? Steel and quality costs.
@Totemparadox
@Totemparadox Жыл бұрын
@J. FK Made in Bulgaria...
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Жыл бұрын
@@Totemparadox if you handle one, particularly dry firing it, there are much better options for roughly that price. If it was $899 or even $999 it would be far more reasonable.
@Totemparadox
@Totemparadox Жыл бұрын
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Ok. Like?
@caeserromero3013
@caeserromero3013 Жыл бұрын
8:43 I heard a story from an ex army guy that the notorious lynching of two British soldiers in NI in the 80's was due to the mag release safety. The story told to me was that when the soldiers car got boxed in, the soldier armed with the Hi power had sat on the gun for concealment and when he attempted to pull the gun for defence, the mag fell out. If this safety worked, I'm guessing even a round in the chamber wouldn't be able to be fired.
@gaughantony
@gaughantony Жыл бұрын
Not sure that’s the case. Story is pretty complicated. Two R.Sig guys, RIP
@jesscollins1
@jesscollins1 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading about this in the 70's. My understanding was that the mag did not fall out but just wasn't seated properly in the mag well and this was enough to disable the pistol.
@caeserromero3013
@caeserromero3013 Жыл бұрын
@@gaughantony Can't speak to the voracity, but it was what I was told by a guy I was working with, 1998 at the Nokia plant in Camberley. He claimed to be ex army and told a story about the two guys being boxed in trying to turn around and get out of the village. The guy had the gun under is leg on the car seat and the mag dropped out as he pulled the gun. Except I seem to remember the guy saying he got off the round in the chamber. So when I saw this video talking about the mag release safety, it jogged my memory. As I say, I can't verify it, as I wasn't there, but that's what I was told. Now knowing about the mag safety, the story seems less probable. Either way, it was a horrific incident.
@caeserromero3013
@caeserromero3013 Жыл бұрын
@@jesscollins1 Not sure if this was the same incident. The one I was referencing was in the 80's, guys driving a Volkswagon Passat if I remember correctly(??). They were driving around plain clothes and happened across an IRA funeral. Were spotted, tried to turn around and get away but got boxed in, ripped out of the car and beaten to death and dumped in a ditch. Pretty horrific.
@jimmychristensen498
@jimmychristensen498 Жыл бұрын
I just love to watch a pro at work!: cocks the hammer to demonstrate the trigger pull (quickly checks the chamber), pulls the trigger. Even though he knows the gun is empty and the magazine is out. I'm sure he checked it before filming too, just out of habit.
@lanedexter6303
@lanedexter6303 Жыл бұрын
I had an American commercial market Hi-Power in the 70’s, a mildly ‘smithed one in the 90’s. I really want another. This is fascinating and sort of makes me want the new one, too. But I want that slim, elegant original. I really appreciate the breakdown and size comparison.
@infidel1993
@infidel1993 Жыл бұрын
The big question is how the new pistol feels in your hand. The best thing about the original hi-power was (and still is) how easily it fell to hand. FN can put as many updated parts on the gun as they want, if it doesn't replicate the feel of the original Browning, it's a waste of money.
@bindingcurve
@bindingcurve Жыл бұрын
Looks a lot more like a CZ. Going to need to shoot one. But there is a lot about the gun that looks cheap. The finish and that recoil spring hole, yikes.
@ironmonkey1512
@ironmonkey1512 Жыл бұрын
Not if you have big hands, besides the hi-power was shrunk to meet French military specs and smaller than what JB designed
@bindingcurve
@bindingcurve Жыл бұрын
@@ironmonkey1512 the final high powers is nothing like JB design.
@MechMK1
@MechMK1 Жыл бұрын
You've heard of High Power, get ready for Higher Power!
@rollastudent
@rollastudent Жыл бұрын
That should be a 10mm version
@paulsimmons5726
@paulsimmons5726 3 ай бұрын
Ian - Curses, your review has put yet another pistol on my “one day” list! Great review and comparison of the Browning & FN Hi Powers!
@brianpencall4882
@brianpencall4882 4 ай бұрын
The flat spring behind the magazine in the older High Powers is the sear spring, the hammer spring was always a coil spring.
@nealgold8442
@nealgold8442 Жыл бұрын
Having gone thru the police academy in 1986 with a High power mark III, loved it and still have it today; I think the new FN is a great pistol and pays homage to JMB while giving us a new and improved version.
@funkla65
@funkla65 Жыл бұрын
Good overview/ C&C. An additional point on the new gun's trigger transfer bar: it incorporates a firing pin block safety. Expecting they will drop an optics ready & railed Tactical in next year or two. Should kind of plug the gap between the CZ & 2011 platforms.
@jamesfairmind2247
@jamesfairmind2247 Жыл бұрын
Well I have had 3 HP's and all of them had coil hammer springs. If you don't believe me look it up on the Browning HP Mk3 parts diagram. I can't believe that FN went to the trouble of remaking this pistol without redesigning it to use the 1911 stirrup type trigger. It could easily have been done as witnessed by several double stack 45's like Paraordance. Especially as the rear of the grip now dissembles like a 1911.
@milkhorse
@milkhorse Жыл бұрын
That thing looks like it was cast/machined in the Khyber Pass on a Friday afternoon and the dude almost just threw it in the scrap pile before saying fuck it, he's got quotas to meet.
@foivosapostolos1211
@foivosapostolos1211 Жыл бұрын
It is always good to put in the market a new design, even if a refined in the details one. So long as the ballistics and ergonomics are improved
@vwtrey100
@vwtrey100 Жыл бұрын
Ok I get the Bronco analogy and I'm on the side of I'll stick with my old Bronco. It was real, and tough, and it took me everywhere. I hate the new Bronco. I like the idea of the new FN High Power. I've reached a moral divide.
@thatguyoverthere9634
@thatguyoverthere9634 Жыл бұрын
But you can't realistically deny that the new bronco is better in almost every way except for ease/cost of repair. You can't deny that the new FN HP is a better gun in basically every way over the old. But in both cases, there is very little in common between the old and the new, they are just new products given an old name.
@ToastytheG
@ToastytheG Жыл бұрын
Lol same I have an FJ cruiser and it's the best off road truck I've ever used. Ian is just wrong about that.
@bindingcurve
@bindingcurve Жыл бұрын
@@ToastytheG FJ cruiser is just a short 4 runner with Tonka toy looks.
@bindingcurve
@bindingcurve Жыл бұрын
Shoot it side by side with a CZ.
@cedhome7945
@cedhome7945 Жыл бұрын
My take on messing around with classic stuff is BMW's gasly mini it's not even small I might forgive them if they were reliable but the u tube is full of people saying don't buy one ....
@BBlueBBasterd
@BBlueBBasterd Жыл бұрын
I love the look of the old high power, the only thing I really dislike about this gun is the larger ejection port as that is very much part of the iconic look for me but I don't mind this gun being different, thanks for the in depth comparison!
@anthonywilliams379
@anthonywilliams379 Жыл бұрын
with the slim lines it would have been cool to see one made more for the concealed carry market perhaps scaled down slightly and chambered for that new .30 super-carry
@unklemike5012
@unklemike5012 Жыл бұрын
I like the new FN. I wish it was thinner, but I like it as a new platform. I'm looking forward to an A1 with a light rail, optics-ready, threaded barrel, and I'm already thinking about how the 3D Printing community is going to use that backstrap function for braces.
@Horgler
@Horgler Жыл бұрын
If no one wanted to pay $1,000 for a Hi-Power, I fail to see how re-designing it and charging $1,300 was a good idea. Any other hammer-fired design at that price is going to be a much better pistol.
@TheFanatical1
@TheFanatical1 Жыл бұрын
Better after-market service too.
@sly2792004
@sly2792004 Жыл бұрын
They didn’t redesign it they built whole new gun then make it kinda look like hi-power, ruins it for people who want a historical gun. Likely end up picking up Springfield if my states mag ban doesn’t pass.
@lazzie7495
@lazzie7495 Жыл бұрын
I think it's kinda odd the kept the old external features that no longer serve much purpose. The sides of the pistol look rather cluttered. Still, I'm kinda happy a modernized hi power exists.
@kdkerr2
@kdkerr2 3 ай бұрын
I bought one of the Springfield Armory's SA35's and I'm quite satisfied with it. Springer did a lot of product improvements on the SA35 such as better sites. They also did away with the magazine disconnector. And they eliminated the hammer bite problem.
@grayman7208
@grayman7208 Жыл бұрын
04:00 LOL ... i drove a '71 bronco for three years in yuma, arizona. towel on the seats, towel on the steering wheel. i once drove that bronco from fort bragg to yuma proving grounds in three days.
@bishopsteiner7134
@bishopsteiner7134 Жыл бұрын
I wanna like the new one, but I really think that one of the appeals was how svelte it was. I can get the thicker grip (longer, less, so) but ot sure I get why the slide needed to get fatboyed?
@three-stripes
@three-stripes Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It's a deal breaker for me.
@reubenpickering7777
@reubenpickering7777 Жыл бұрын
I think it's an inevitable result of the modern method of making tilting barrel pistols, where a big rectangular hunk of metal on the back of the barrel slots into the ejection port, instead of there being lugs machined on to the barrel, and locking recesses machined into the slide. Glocks, SIGs, S&W M&Ps... Everything I own anyway that uses that system has a bulkier slide.
@beaker126
@beaker126 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot to like here, it looks like they put a lot of thought into upgrading this. I'm not sure what to think about the increase in dimensions, especially width, but I'm reserving judgment until I can try one.
@TheWorldRealist
@TheWorldRealist Жыл бұрын
I have a Girsan Hipower. In 1970 I joined the Royal Marines and one day at the range I had a pistol stuck in my hand, told to point down range and shoot it. Blood running down my hand. In the 1980’s I bought a used hipower, nickel plated just for nostalgia reasons. Paid £200 I think. When we had surrender them I think I was compensated the same. If I had it today I understand it would be worth some $5,000. Now living in Wyoming I bought the Girsan. I like it as a full-size carry Gun. It conceals well, shoots well (with the mag disconnect removed). It is simple and does not have extras to get in the way like my S&W M&Ps, both of which shoot great but an all steel gun gives me more confidence in an extreme situation. You don’t have time for fancy sights and add-ons. Fairbairn taught point shooting when getting the perfect sight picture is a luxury. I wish I had the original but I think the Girsan is better, and better than the SA35 also.
@kevinsparrow34
@kevinsparrow34 Жыл бұрын
My first job as a machinist was with Beretta USA, back in the early 90’s, & the slide line was still a series of conventional machines doing a single operation. The barrel line was primarily CNC machines, the frame line was a little of both.
@GIJoe2at
@GIJoe2at Жыл бұрын
I once owned a surplus Hi-Power used by the German Police. I loved the slender slide but not the magazine safery feature. I believe that Springfield has done a better upgrade keeping the HiPower size with their improvments than FN has done. Time will tell...
@joshklaver47
@joshklaver47 11 ай бұрын
The magazine safety is easy to remove.
@meme__salad
@meme__salad Жыл бұрын
I am genuinely excited to get my hands on one of those, I’ve never heard any of this controversy it’s causing before. Still have yet to see one come to our shop though.
@Rocketsong
@Rocketsong Жыл бұрын
A lot of people are really upset about the change in magazines. Obviously that is mostly from folks who have a lot of HP mags already, but when we are one election away from another standard capacity magazine ban, there is also a lot to be said about using a common, existing magazine.
@brandonlind5700
@brandonlind5700 2 ай бұрын
I imagine the new one is thicker because they’re using a simpler locking system, there’s less material around the lug so it needs to more material. The ejection port lugs have trade offs
@andrewnoble7071
@andrewnoble7071 Жыл бұрын
I loved the Browning Hi-Power as a service sidearm and this just looks like everything I loved with icing on the cake
@WhiteSandsMbuna
@WhiteSandsMbuna Жыл бұрын
I wish you would do a video on the recently forgotten FNS9. It was rather interesting. With several models, being used by several major police departments. The odd nyc police mishandling that resulted in a recall, the changing in manufacturing techniques resulting from that recall. There would be a lot of talking points. Ive had one for 6 years and it has been flawless and a great shooter.
@t4nkychannel921
@t4nkychannel921 Жыл бұрын
My take on these new Hi-Powers: neither change the right things. Yes, it's good they keep the aesthetics, but they need to add some rails and provision for sight mounting. That, I think, would be a huge improvement. Yet neither the Springfield nor the FN do this. Without that, I think these guns will be kneecapped for serious use. EDIT: As to whether it is a "blasphemy against the original," Browning and Saive designed practical, working firearms. It seems a shame to not follow the spirit in which they were invented as well as surface aesthetics. I want a Hi-Power that looks and feels as much like the original that has as many modern features as possible. And honestly, if you live in a state with magazine restrictions, an optic and less weight makes me lean towards the Springfield.
@TWX1138
@TWX1138 Жыл бұрын
The manufacturer can add rails and other things later after the launch is successful. When marketing a throwback it's important that the initial run actually inspires the market to feel that it's the successor. Make the new model too different and the market sees no lineage to the original and is now free to pursue *_any_* design that satisifies their interests.
@alexander1902
@alexander1902 Жыл бұрын
MK3 Firearms can add an aftermarket rail and RMR mount for decent prices. I thought about getting the High Power but there was too much about it I didn't like (it not being a "Hi Power" for one). If you do send a gun to MK3 I highly recommend the single stage trigger, it's incredible.
@grilin18.
@grilin18. Жыл бұрын
Girsan makes that and its pretty good from what we've seen, if you want old fasioned get the springfield if you want updated get the girsan, this POS can just rot, nobody wanted this
@CircaSriYak
@CircaSriYak Жыл бұрын
This is nothing but a money grab. This is not a weapon this is Product.
@jacehackworth6413
@jacehackworth6413 Жыл бұрын
I think there's enough of a market they should have made this version a little more like the old one and another version with rails. It's already a completely different gun so there's no reason they shouldn't.
@bennyboogenheimer4553
@bennyboogenheimer4553 Жыл бұрын
I think it's great, I was talking to a friend about the VW Beetle 1936 to 1976 small upgrade as better designs were found, but always got the job done. Aftermarket you could get anything from a 40 hp to 234 hp long block. It was up to you. VW even considered wet heads on the Bug to keep them quiet, but the Rabbit just fixed every American Governmental complaint, and safety regulation. My favorite ideation of a original 1974 Bug, was one with a ducted radiator on the roof, with a Turbo Diesel Ribbit engine on the stock Bug transaxle. She was getting 73 MPG, with real heat inside for winter, and AC for summer. But then VW sold 40 million Rabbits in the first 2 years in America. Proof that there's lots of room for upgrades, BUT a clean sheet of paper well executed design, will always win the battle.
@PootisPenserPow
@PootisPenserPow Жыл бұрын
Ever since this hurricane started, I have had a consistent image of Ian's face in the eye of the storm, bellowing "Welcome back to Forgotten Weapons "
@justinholland9844
@justinholland9844 Жыл бұрын
What's sad about the Hi-Power is that I feel FN never tried to breathe new life into it ever since the Mark III was introduced in '88. The 1911 has remained a viable product for Colt because they've looked over the years at the modifications custom gunsmiths have been making to it and gradually incorporated these into their base models, offering the consumer a more and more refined pistol straight out of the box. Likewise, there have been plenty of custom gunsmiths over the decades whose work on the Hi Power FN could've drawn inspiration from, and more recently, the Hi-Powers produced by Nighthawk were probably the pinnacle of the design. If FN could've offered something similar at a substantially lower price, thus putting it within the reach of the ordinary shooter, I'm sure the Hi-Power could've enjoyed renewed interest and lived on as a successful product for many more decades.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
I like the updates in concept, but I do wish they went further with it. As is, it’s a bit half and half. It modernized enough internals to make it incompatible with any aftermarket accessories, but didn’t add things like a picatinny light rail or a red dot mount, which is a little strange. Contrast that with double stack 1911s that still retain some accessories compatibility while also having light rails and red dot mounts.
@gordoncouger9648
@gordoncouger9648 Жыл бұрын
A gunsmith and a hundred and twenty-five bucks will get a red dot mounted in the cut he milled in your Hi Power.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
@@gordoncouger9648 True, though it would've been nice to have it out of the box. I can also pin and weld a picatinny rail as well, but that also should be standard.
@kalashnikovdevil
@kalashnikovdevil Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing that variant shortly. Maybe next shot show?
@gordoncouger9648
@gordoncouger9648 Жыл бұрын
@@gameragodzilla It would still cost about that much form FN without the choice you get from a gunsmith.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
@@gordoncouger9648 I mean, FN did it for the Mk. 3 Five-seveN so they’re clearly capable of it.
@RebSike
@RebSike Жыл бұрын
It's a very cool update to the design, I hope it's successful enough to continue production.
@eclipsegst9419
@eclipsegst9419 2 ай бұрын
My Girsan P35 PI never bites me, i do have smaller hands. I also can't imagine needing more than 15 rounds. They do sell 21s that stick out the bottom if someone really wants it. Girsan also sells an upgraded version called the OPS that updates the Hi Power without changing what it is at it's core. Beavertail for you big handed and high gripping shooters, sight rail, optic mount, mag interlock delete.
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il Жыл бұрын
The shoulder stock was the first thing I thought about when you showed the removable back strap. If we could get rid of the NFA that would be so cool to have.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 Жыл бұрын
I think a modern production of the Hi Power makes sense for them. I like a lot of the small changes they made. One thing that does not work for me though is the size. I understand they wanted higher capacity, but this thing is down right chunky. Even if I would have to give up a few rounds of capacity, I would want something closer to the original size.
@zenjon7892
@zenjon7892 5 ай бұрын
Did you try different back straps?
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 4 ай бұрын
@@zenjon7892 I do not personally own one so I did not get to play around with that kind of stuff.
@user-ty4lq7fz9m
@user-ty4lq7fz9m 3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, Ian! Not only do you have me slobbering for a new High Power, but you have me looking on my Pistole 640(b) (which I used to treasure) with scorn! Hopefully, FN has seen your video and will update this model with an optics cut to compete with the Girsan that is getting all the attention now. When that happens, I'll be $1400 poorer.
@risaldar6925
@risaldar6925 Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for adding subtitles in every video so some folks can enjoy.
@JohnDoe-pv2iu
@JohnDoe-pv2iu Жыл бұрын
I am not 'Downing' the new pistol. It has a lot of things already that I used to do to them. The big thing about that is a lot of people aren't gunsmiths and couldn't do, what I used to do. I would grab the Brownell's book (yes, this was before an Internet) and order (5) 15 round magazines, a set of full checkered wooden grips, a 'Wolf' spring set, the cheapest 1911 beavertail and a new ejector. I would disassemble the pistol and weld the last 1/4-3/8 of an inch of the beavertail to the frame, disable the magazine safety (and perform a good trigger job at the same time), install the new ejector and spring kit, open up the ejection port some (nothing like the new one) and then run a few hundred rounds through it. The gun got tore down, cleaned, refinished and the new grips installed. I always started with a late 70s vintage Hi Power so the sights were already pretty good. Based on what I was working with, I sometimes opened up the rear sight notch just a little... I liked the size of the original but like you said the pistols had a few short comings. The replacement ejector was a tiny bit bigger than the original one and gave a much better 'throw' to the case with the bigger port (and to me the bigger port was mandatory). I remember handling a number of Hi Powers that would not eject loaded rounds (some would poorly but on most of them the bullet would hit the front of the ejection port and it was luck whether it dropped inside or outside of the weapon...). It seems like what FN did isn't a bad thing for most people. I don't think I will be buying one though. For Me personally, I liked the 'Slim' lines of the original one. I liked the handling and I liked the way it carried in the small of my back. Anyway, Nice Video about a pretty cool weapon, especially for the folks who aren't equipped or inclined to do the work I described. Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
@onkelmicke9670
@onkelmicke9670 Жыл бұрын
Single action is great. The trigger transfer bar is suspect. It is obviously wider. I'm hoping it feels as nice in the hand as the original.
@peterv9492
@peterv9492 17 күн бұрын
I have one of the last original HiPowers, but there is no hammer bite at all... And my AD removed the no magazine 'safety' which made me a very happy owner. Also, it was fully made and assembled in Herstal (not Portugal or US).
@ThEOnLyScHoFF
@ThEOnLyScHoFF Жыл бұрын
"Bless them, they have gotten rid of the magazine safety" Could not have said it better myself Gun Jesus
@rezlogan4787
@rezlogan4787 Жыл бұрын
I was showing off my new Glock 48 with 15 round Shield mags to an old timer. He was jealous for about a week about that high capacity in a gun smaller than a 1911 Commander. Then he ordered custom 15 round magazines for his High Power. Now we’re just about even again.
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын
I too carry the skinny version of Gaston's Roth-Browning reheat, and from the day I bought it I thought "hmmm...skinny. Flat. Reminds me of a Hi-power.
@maverickpaladin4155
@maverickpaladin4155 Жыл бұрын
Like you, I find it curious that they retained the trigger design of the original. I've always thought it would be an improvement to use a 1911-type trigger in a HiPower. I don't know if it's feasible on the original design, but in the new one it could've been incorporated.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS Жыл бұрын
That's not an improvement.
@maverickpaladin4155
@maverickpaladin4155 Жыл бұрын
@@WALTERBROADDUS why not? There is no better SA trigger than the 1911 trigger.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS Жыл бұрын
@@maverickpaladin4155 personally never cared for the 1911 system. And you're doing a complete change of the operating mechanism. If you want a 1911, there's no lack of them. It makes no business model sense to add yet another one.
@oldschoolartist
@oldschoolartist 2 ай бұрын
My FN High Power wish list; 1. An accessory rail. 2. Threaded barrel. 3. More back strap options. 4. Optics cut slide.
@adiamond563
@adiamond563 10 күн бұрын
attachable stock to put on the bottom of the grip?
@nomadih2252
@nomadih2252 Жыл бұрын
Your bronco analogy is awesome. I cant relate as i only drive classics but its fitting and undertandable
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