😮 Io

you're on it for life? btw congrats

How, you get on it, what do you say to the doctor

​@giovanni8558 better than feeling like shit for the rest of your life and not living the best you can?

@@vegemitetoastben you completely missed it. I was genuine about my question because I want to do it myself. I’m on hgc for the moment, but doc wants to switch

​@@Billiehoylehard to tell these days 😅 sorry man

Congrats to you !

One month update?

one month update would be really appreciated !

Sign up with TRT nation

What country are you in bud? If NZ or Aus I can help

Shocking conduct by an obviously misinformed doctor, 'normal' levels of Test are proven beneficial for the heart. She was conning you by making false claims to put you off. Go around her.

@@yyxy.oncesaid Thanks, but I am in the US

@@manoo422 This is exactly why I am going to the black market.

What was your levels?

Advice to patients: If you don't feel right about what your doctor says..get a 2nd opinion with a specialist. This was never so true as in the field of TRT

@@notfiveo you are likely mistaken..most studies show that TRT does NOT have deleterious effect on prostate!

@@notfiveo If high T CAUSED prostate cancer young men would be getting it not older men whose T levels have significantly dropped.

PSA is closely monitored.@@notfiveo

Dawg I'm 30 and my doctor started me at 200mg a week.

@HaveTheBalls…That’s is correct. I did a small meta analysis of the available current studies and it doesn’t affect the prostate glad. BTW: I’m a recently retired Bio Medical Researcher and University Professor.

170-780 is NOT normal. Normal is more like 300-1000. At 33, you should be 350+ at minimum. I was at 360 and started 4 weeks ago. Night and day difference. Also 33. I used an online clinic to get my initial script, but will be continuing with UGL because it's so much cheaper. The doctors factor in guys who are in their 80s in the averages so their numbers are off.

I'd look into the T and it might help, but there is likely a lot more going on where post-chemo fatigue is concerned. There can be anemia or other blood cell disorders, chemotherapy damage to other organs or parts of the endocrine system. In addition to T replacement, find someone who can help with a holistic program of diet and supplements, maybe things like Q-10 etc.

The fatigue sucks ballz. I wake up and 20 mins later my days done, ready for sleep again. Can’t wait for that to be gooooone!

Find. Another. Doctor.

Quite often it’s dietary. I had crushing fatigue and when I go on the carnivore or meat and salad diet I feel like a total champ.

Your dose probably needs to go up to 200 mg 200 free testosterone is 100% better than where you were at but it is still low

Did your testicle shrink or have atrophy? Acne? Mood swings??

Great news, glad you got help.

Good luck. My goto..starting dose of Testosterone cypionate or Delatestryl (Enathate) 100mg 1x per week

Thanks!!! Just trying to practice great medicine.

@@manyourselfup1everything the doc said, was beautifully said, but one thing: clomid. Please convey that he should use enclomiphen instead of clomid. A simple search will easily reveal why. Regards.

@@EmaturescoGood point..but we dont have enclomiphen in Canada yet! Clomid only north of the Border 🇨🇦

Try transcend if your doc won’t help you

@@syclone1012 What is that? I'm from Australia

brother you can always try gel. its way better than nothing although injections are better. I hope you get better soon.

if you do subq injections you can't even feel it if you hold some ice against the skin for a minute or two before you do it.. much smaller needles than intramuscular injections

I am 36 and I had 248. My doc put me on androgel. I started this week.

Thankssss 😊

I’m which ways

Does it change your game or change your life? Which is it?

@@littlebear4543 Recovery, energy, positive outlook, all improve. Test and my dog are the best anti-depressants. You definitely lose some body fat and improve lean muscle mass as a side effect.

@@littlebear4543 BTW I inject 57mg every other morning to keep stable levels without crashing or having too big a rush. That keeps me much better off than 100mg twice a week!!

How did your libido change?

See another doctor.. Sounds like you need serious discussion about TRT!

You need to see a naturopath

Dude I am in the exact same boat. It’s honestly very relieving to see this comment. Currently, I’m 26 years old, and as far as I can tell, for my entire adult life I’ve felt fatigued, fogged, and overall had low energy and a very low libido. I got blood work done 3 weeks ago in mid December, and my total testosterone was 246 ug/dL. My doctor was concerned that it may have been a fluke so I went in again today to re-test. I’m hoping to have a conversation with him on Wednesday about this and hopefully talk openly about TRT. I’ve also been sick with influenza A for the past 2 weeks while also being temporarily laid off, so I feel your pain 100%. I promise to stay strong and move forward and I hope you do the same.

How did you get that in the uk!? Iam 47 and asked for it was given a flat out no!!

What were your levels to get it on the NHS? I've gone private

@@omg_wtf what are the cost private?

​@@phoenix4202 around 110 a month

@@MrJaffercake Where charges £110/month? I’ve been looking at the prices at the Men’s Health Clinic in Dorset.

They just checked my test, and it's 852 ng/dl. I take a few supplements that you can get from the local store, like zinc, magnesium, citrulline, beet root, etc. I keep my body fat at around 10% or a little lower. I am a super ripped beast. And I am fifty. Don't let it be a factor when you think about this, it's more about lifestyle and choices.

@cameroncooper9501 Lifestyle and diet are perfect. Supplementation on point. Training is on-point. I've been diagnosed hypo for over a decade and could have jumped on in my late 20s, but I wanted to focus on the things you mentioned. I'm getting diminishing returns now, sadly. You're right, though. Far too many guys say yes to TRT while living unhealthy lives.

@mdc3227 If there is anything I can do, let me know. I am the same as I was at 18. And we're talking Generation X 18. I have changed my exercises so I can incorporate heavier weight, so I take a little longer rest pauses. You get size, stamina, and cut. During my whole routine, I will throw in a couple of heavy sets, Some sets back to back with very little rest pause, and then some drop sets. But when I lift heavier, I do rest longer up to 6 minutes rest. And I eat about a pound of red meat or more a day sometimes. I really do listen to my body though as to what I need. I wish you the best and if there's anything I can do, please let me know.

I’m in the UK too. Are you using the Men’s Health Clinic in Dorset? I’m 43 and just having all the initial tests done via an endocrinologist to investigate why I’m low. Last two tests have been 5.4 and 7.7.

Trouble is getting test that’s dosed correctly. Where do you get it from . I’m U.K. to

Low asf

Ssri meds are shit throw them away fts

go fast! Thats low!

Stuck me on Mirtazapine , I’m now 7.4nmol . Off to get 2nd test Thursday . I used to lift 3 times a week and do cardio . Now I can’t recover and suffering crippling fatigue and anxiety ( possibly bevause exercise was my mental health drug) . How are you getting on?

Get laser hair removal; it will change you life👍

I’ve had so many horrible side affects I had to stop. Why me. I’d take the back hair….

@@matthewramsey5239what side effects?

And GP's always pump up 'potential' negatives while ignoring the many, many positives.

High rbc just lower you dose

@@bgoodorhell4u I would suggest that dose has little to do with RBC, unless you drop to a point your symptoms come back.

@@bgoodorhell4u& donate blood ever 12 weeks.

@@manoo422 great point!

You shouldn't forget the cardio.

Bloods once a year? should be more than that.

@@ashleycullen.933 I have my blood tested by my GP several times a year. I meant to say "donate" blood once a year.

@@haaste_mies True. That's not a problem for me. I walk miles everyday and I still weight train.

Drinking extra water everyday will help reduce blood thickening also.

You need to head over to a university hospital or a find out top hospitals in your state or region and head there for treatment. Write down on a sheet of paper a list of your complaints your experiencing. Don't just say things off the top of your head the doctors won't take you seriously list 3 things you can find that's causing your symptoms vericocele, tyroid, heart issues, or just a lump in your nads. Don't just say I need T you'll get brush off.

It can be!

My snoring stopped after trt

I think the meds you take for diabetes, screws up with your whole body, but it is better to take them than end up being in a diabetic coma or dead.

Trt won't help you if your obese you'll just convert a ton into estrogen which is likely why your sluggish in the first place

You are wrong

700-1200 in the 80s 😂😂😂 where did you read that.

So happy for you man! Just had my first injection this morning 21/07/2023 👌🏽

Did you get the usual side effects when trying to give up the anxiety meds?

Ive heard that from so many of my patients.. Keep looking forward, not back!

@@benjaminshuetrim9874 not really for I very Gradually Weaned off them, over a month. I found daily I’ve baths have been a huge benefit to my mental health too.

Just had my 2ml Depo Testosterone 100ml..... I'm 40.... and on Xanax, trying to get off the benzos so bad.... please give some advice....

You are 💯 correct.. people want a quick fix . Without quitting their bad habits.. Alcohol is definitely poison to the whole body. But today in America everyone is drinking alcohol or smoking weed and wondering why they are so miserable. Keep it simple go to bed early .

The Canadian Urology Association guidelines talk about trial of TRT of symptoms are present despite purely low T levels. Something to bring up to your MD...

Thank you for watching!

My mentor! Hes amazing!

You might want to look into it. Get the blood work and see where it puts you.

if you paid the bastard go back to him and force him to watch these videos of experts on trt or demand your money back. we should be able to sue these doctors that take our money but not really helping us.

"and my doctor is like oh your normal.....i know im not and can't seem to find a local doctor willing to put me on trt...." Stay on it bro, don't stop. Find a well-rated urologist and stick all the facts to them. As Sherlock's quote goes "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." tell them you just know. "Continuing to persevere, maintaining confidence in your abilities, and firmly believing in your eventual success can make all the difference."

You can ALWAYS find a doctor willing to do TRT, or for that matter damn near anything else. You just have to look in the right places. Here's the thing people fail to appreciate about doctors: They are some of the most entrepreneurial people on the planet. Yeah, they're good scientists, many of them and they want to help people and all that, but they like to make money. Lots of effin money! TRT, like medical marijuana, off label weight loss drugs, low dose naltrexone or anything else regular doctors shy away from....other doctors build practices all around offering them because there's a lot of money to be made. When I had a medical cannabis card years ago before it was legal all over, I went to a doctor who made quite a sideline out of it. He looked and sounded like Dr. Nick from the Simpsons. He supposedly had a regular practice during the week but on Saturdays he'd see people who wanted marijuana cards. His waiting room would be full of hippies and he'd get $300 for the consultation, which was maybe 10, 15 minutes. He was a nice guy and would offer you medical advice if you wanted, but mostly he was there to sign the paperwork the state wanted to give you the card. Dude probably paid his office rent with just one Saturday's take each month. TRT is the same. There's clinics all over the place.

To high a dose can cause ED, you may need to scale back. One of the problems talking about TRT, is men in their 20's are taking it, up to men in their 70s. So the bodies ability to respond to a drug is unique for everyone. Generally though, if you are getting ED, you need to reduce the dose.

How's it going for you bro

I didn't get anxious, I got spontaneous erections whilst driving, age 58. Lol

Try cyp.

Most regular family/internal medicine doctors are still pretty wary of TRT. Some because they still believe out of date information on it, many others because they just don't know enough to prescribe or manage patients on it. There are exceptions. I had a wonderful young doctor some years ago I convinced to get me on T. I paid a TRT specialist doc to conference with us to get the program started. She's no longer my doctor, but once you get established on it and have a record of no problems with it, many regular docs will re-up your scripts for you so long as they get a look at your blood numbers at least once a year. Not just T but liver and kidney panels, cholestrol and the like. But you made the right move going to a practice that either specializes or routinely offers TRT.

Try wittmer trt clinic

That's very expensive.

Intresting what you say, I heard that injecting insulin is dangerous if you not diebetic?!? Just curious, so please enlighten me.

Bro it's not the government putting shit in our food pal.Its the food companys

@@marky5493 Injecting insulin isnt necessarily dangerous its a normal hormone in the body but there are many types so you have to know what you are doing. Like why you would be taking it in the first place...!?

@@manoo422 thanks for the reply, no I wasn't thinking of using it, I was just curious about it as it's seen as a villain /Victor depending on who you talking to and in what context.

My urologist prescribed Tamsulozin for prostate inflamation, I lost all sex urge, could not even cum or hold erection, went back told her and she said you are 65, so why would you want to cum, all that matters is you get erect , the time is not an issue. I think she should stop practicing she has seen too many men or she is a frigid hating men. I did take trt on black market and all was good but scared of quality I asked for prescription, she refused. Can I ask to be transferred to a male urologist, or must I make a demand to my general Family doctor.

Yes I pay $99

@@Khyreem I wish they didnt charge so much for an Inexpensive hormone!

If anybody has gone thru a similar situation in their early 20s plz share your story and thoughts!

Get a full round of bloodwork done and make sure nothing is wrong. For me my diet and sleep weren’t right. When I got that straightened out everything started to hit on all cylinders

@@PapaWheelie1 Ty for the tip! Will be getting blood work done ASAP! The reason why I haven’t yet is because I guess I was scared of something actually being wrong and the thought of injecting hormones if needed is a bit scary tbh 😅 but hey only one way to find out right ? I’m certain my test probably won’t be the issue hopefully , a fatty liver or a bad gut can also cause low T like symptoms right ?

@@toxic5299 - yes, I would bet money that if you quit sugar and got a solid 7-8 hours sleep you would feel like a new man in a few months. Aim for 30-45 minutes exercise daily and sleep is so much easier. It’s a triangle- sleep, diet, and exercise. Blood test will show if your deficient in anything. May be as simple as low B12 or sodium.

Advice: do blood tests and check T levels

You sound like me lol. Good luck!!

Thanks!! 😊(Dr Steinberg here)

Damn dude. How were you functioning? I was at a total of 132 and suicide had crossed my mind numerous times. Couldn’t imagine 38 total!

So what are optimal levels and dosages? Not every 18 year old has the same t levels. Also, age only accounts for approximately 1% per year after age 35, any more drastic drops are due to lifestyle.

Maybe. Endocrinologist from what I've seen tend to be very conservative medically so they may not be the best bet. Urologists? Some are very knowledgable, some not. My doc sent me to one years ago to see about TRT when I was I think 40 or so. Well, I went there and I was the only guy under 80 in the waiting room! Guys who all had horror stories about urinary stones and blood in the urine and all that. When I got in to see the doc and explained why I was there, he said he didn't know anything about that. His whole practice was built on helping old guys to piss! 🤣

I am same of you. I am doing all the good things you said and don’t seem like a big change. Maybe you are chronically stress? I have social anxiety and this is catastrophic for testosterone.

@@langelier9415 i do believe it’s underlying subconscious stress but I meditate everyday and do breath work with positive affirmations and I still cannot seem to get back to that high functioning , alpha motivated person that I was before. The gym helps me with social anxiety I didn’t have it before Covid . I tried 80mg this week and then 120 mg yesterday total 200mg of weekly test and I still feel the same . If anything it’s making me thinner and more vascular and veiny which I absolutely don’t like so I may not do anymore Test. I’m questioning my goals in life maybe we need to find a new goals that are different than before Covid that will fulfill our purpose in a different way and bring more drive towards that, it’s like we have to follow the energy instead of fight it . Goodluck to you man hope we all find a solution.

Be careful taking "low dose". It doesn't just add to your endogenous levels. It could suppress your normal levels and replace with dose not high enough. Please work with an expert physician...

@@manyourselfup1 thank you I took one dose of 200mg and I’ve decided to not consider Trt anymore I’m going to remain natural. I’m already a skinny guy and I noticed vascularity and fat burning just from first dose and I just don’t like it. I feel fine but yeah I’m gonna stick to natural unless It’s medically necessary

Go to a specialist

@MarylandGuy-ey3st 8 months later. I was put on HCG since my free test was that of an old man. Didn't feel any difference for 2 months then started feeling great. For 3 months I felt amazing. Then started having blood pressure issues and high heart rate. Lowered my dose over the months but still had issues. Long story short a few days ago I colapped at an airport with my heart rate sitting at 140 for over an hour. I have since stopped cold turkey. The only thing that was off on my blood work was increased hemoglobin and red blood cell count. I am waiting to see a cardiologist. I believe I may need to donate blood to lower it. Terrifying is an understatement. It's extremely depressing to think the one thing that fixed all my problems may also be causing extreme health issues. And no I was not over dosing. My testosterone and estrogen were normally within range. While I was on my highest dosage. So who knows why it caused me heart issues. But for now I am left with low testosterone and now heart issues.

There is a symptom component to not adequate to adequate T levels. As discussed the so-called normal range is wrong. As is being measured in a population is in a population low in T due pesticide and other toxic exposure that are pervasive.

Total T is nothing ! You have to increase Free T adjusting dosage and frequency. It takes time but it can be done.

happens sometimes..T isn't he solution for everyone

When your 53 to tonkatali won’t do shit

​@@iansuncoastI have been taking it. My T level improved.

Not True. There are several online private clinics. They provide testing and prescription for a reasonable price.

@@Dmanz67 not reasonable price you can’t

@@stevepope8636 your not looking hard enough.

Same but I tried trt and got cystic acne and my hair changed texture. Weird other side effects as well so I said hell no I’m out.

Or how great and far modern medicine has come.

if T is low?? Yessss 100%

Blood test. Is the only way to know

1 ml of what? What's "enough" will depend on how your blood values respond and how you're feeling.

It’s been proven heart protective in new studies , your wrong

@@iansuncoast yeah and the COVID jab works lol. Best sales people in the world the pharmaceutical industry. Most people don't need anything just convince themselves they do cause reading about TRT and watching articles about it all the time.

some studies seem to suggest it doesn't. But this is not standard of care yet and should be done (if done at all) with caution and very close supervision with an expert in the field

That is the cost of the testosterone cypionate. Doctor appoitments are in hundreds a month.

Simple solution. Say you want to transition into a man.

Lmao

Mine was $36 at Costco . Blue Cross covers it. but Dr apt was $100 every 3 months.

no BS but thats is the Canadian experience.

You have to check reviews, research top 3 or 5 best urology in Toronto. Look on yelp find out which one that takes your insurance. What ever issue you have that needs to be treated find out what conditions they treat.

It seems to cause all the problems it's supposed to solve, same for most meds now. It lists causes fatigue, low testosterone, the main things I need fixed.

yes... TRT

Go on a carnivore diet and you can lose 10% body weight in a month with ease.

Worse? Holy Lord bro that’s no good.

@@benjaminshuetrim9874 For real ...my test spikes and then drops for the next 4 weeks. I was re tested after3 months and my test was at 225...smh. im waiting for the miracle to happen and with the VA they are next to worthless.

If all they want to give you is 200 mg a month then split up your injections. Do 50 mg a week. Better yet do 25 twice a week. That will keep your spikes level.

Im 67 years old im i average health 3 major spine fusion surgeries my testosterone is very low dr put me on .05 ml of testosterone cypinate. I feel slugish tired, low self asteam etc am i getting enough testosterone??? I want to feel good again not 100 years old

How much are you spending

You might want to back off the dose. There are plenty of other options for acne though. At the severe level, accutane will tame it.

8.4 total and .199 free for me