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@kirbymarchbarcena5 жыл бұрын
The worst thing that happened to Jean Grey was being a victim of Marvel's retcon habits.
@wandagrey25283 жыл бұрын
sadly that is true
@oisinreilly26393 жыл бұрын
@@wandagrey2528 Yep.
@AvioftheSand5 жыл бұрын
Well, let's not kid ourselves. Emma kind of deserves a little torturing.
@packedentertainment28665 жыл бұрын
Electric_Eye Lol 😂
@latiosfreak20005 жыл бұрын
no one: not even iceman himself: not even the family guy gag: jean: GUYS I READ BOBBY'S MIND HE LIKES DUDES LMAO
@GoddessOfWhim20035 жыл бұрын
that was such a bitch thing to do. some friend she is, reading your thoughts without permission. stay out of my head
@TheMaestroMizerous5 жыл бұрын
*Jean Grey shrug*
@ranhill625 жыл бұрын
@@GoddessOfWhim2003 only if she goes and tells others. If I know u can read minds, I already know there's nothing I can do to stop u other than rely on ur integrity. I'd rather u tell me you've read my mind, than allow me to assume u didn't.
@shawsednem5103 жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong as well to like dudes even if you are also a dude.
@The_Old_Soul_Artist5 жыл бұрын
11. Be featured in X-Men: The Last Stand 12. Consistently have Xavier charged with funeral costs..
@lennywright56555 жыл бұрын
BigBlkSuperman 1985 it’s clear Phoenix Force true evil purpose was bad movies.
@BLasherman5 жыл бұрын
Technically Jean Grey has only died once, the other time it was a clone built by the Phoenix Force (The first time in the 1980 Dark Phoenix saga) The real Jean came back in he mid 80's, (X-factor) she was in hibernation, to heal, and the Phoenix was just running around pretending to be her. THAT, the real, Jean Grey died in New X-men, killed by Xorn (2006)
@blackphoenix775 жыл бұрын
I wish Marvel had never started with that Phoenix duplicate nonsense: it robbed the Phoenix Saga of its impact when they retconned Phoenix into a copy of Jean: they've spent decades trying to retcon that retcon and restore the real Jean to the Phoenix Saga, but it's just made things more confusing.
@ranhill625 жыл бұрын
Marvel was trying to give fans what they wanted (more Pheonix.) Unfortunately they just didn't know how to do it.
@switchedup58345 жыл бұрын
Nice message at the end dude! And another great video! Good job 👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
@tiffa8085 жыл бұрын
OMG! When you guys did worst things Professor X ever did, I asked for this... Thank you...
@MrAVENGER9015 жыл бұрын
Your welcome lolololololololololololololo
@rieleyjames63315 жыл бұрын
That end message made me tear up, i wasn’t expecting that... so wholesome, Thankyou!
@tomremulta95765 жыл бұрын
Could you make a "10 worst things the Scarlet Witch has done"
@DrPurpleLlamas5 жыл бұрын
I love how you always leave that personal message about speaking with someone, it’s so important- keep it up
@insaneinfinite81505 жыл бұрын
“When the Jewce was Loose she burned down the Hewse” - perfection 👌🏿
@JohnnyHardCastle15 жыл бұрын
Jean did NOT wipe out the D'Baris. That was not Jean, that was the Phoenix Force taking on Jean form who was in a healing cacoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay. Why does everyone, INCLUDING MARVEL, keep forgetting this?!
@blackphoenix775 жыл бұрын
The simplest answer: retcons. Originally, that was Jean, and then came the Phoenix duplicate retcon, which I always hated. Then it was retconned AGAIN as of X-Factor (first series) #38: this time, the Phoenix Force didn't just create a duplicate body with a copy of Jean's memories, it actually took a part of Jean's soul/mind/whatever, so Jean was still a part of all of that. Nowadays, they never even mention the duplicate in the comics, which might be a sort of retcon as well....
@e-heromanny43485 жыл бұрын
Cuz it was a dumb retcon that should rightfully be ignored
@macksonedinis36705 жыл бұрын
Cuz it was a dumb retcon
@lucaskhall67945 жыл бұрын
Hitty retcon that's probably all forgotten about now.
@jamelbrewster76675 жыл бұрын
@@bryanthomas4907 that's what ppl forget. Jean is a telepath and was in the fake body thinking it was real
@OneYouStareAt5 жыл бұрын
Emma Frost deserved ever bit of that torture lol.
@xavierarmstrong9635 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the message at the end 💪🏽
@byronbostick43105 жыл бұрын
Wow, that message at the end… Class! Thank you for that.
@carlcnn5 жыл бұрын
Such a good message at the end!!
@ebradshaw89215 жыл бұрын
When will Marvel give us 50 shades of Jean Grey?
@babyjesuslovesme12195 жыл бұрын
Thats genius
@babyjesuslovesme12195 жыл бұрын
As long as she is in her black queen costume
@albinbaiju57035 жыл бұрын
@@babyjesuslovesme1219 Also love to see her in the White Phoenix of the Crown form
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
@@albinbaiju5703 And her red and black Phoenix costume from Phoenix: Resurrection!
@joeldfisher5 жыл бұрын
didn't Wolverine sleep with Mary Jane during the mind swap? As far as doing bad things I'd say that was worse
@emperorjoker92405 жыл бұрын
He tried to but failed lol
@joeldfisher5 жыл бұрын
@@emperorjoker9240 even so, the thought was there
@emperorjoker92405 жыл бұрын
Unimaginative Username oh most definitely, he was trying to be down them walls lol
@IllMatic975 жыл бұрын
@@emperorjoker9240 tell that to wolverine fanboys
@shockdojo64145 жыл бұрын
Lol evil red head can destroy anything with her fire powers and be all like: "well burn for it!!!!"
@yugokun5 жыл бұрын
Before, there would be one thing to look forward to his videos, his one per list. Now there is another thing I look forward to, his comforting message in the end.
@Betterthingswecanachieve5 жыл бұрын
thank you for that message at the end. Excellent addition.
@thejimg5 жыл бұрын
Jean Grey and the Phoenix are not the same being... Read Fantastic Four #286...
@blackphoenix775 жыл бұрын
That was retconned ages ago. Read the back-up stories in X-Men Classic #8 and 43, both written by Chris Claremont, and X-Factor (first series) #38.
@ratedrva7575 жыл бұрын
The animated series said it is so it is
@IllMatic975 жыл бұрын
@@ratedrva757 terrible logic
@Scroll555555 жыл бұрын
They were the same being. Marvel just retconned it not a long time ago.
@thegamingking35093 жыл бұрын
Read endsong
@digunder145 жыл бұрын
wow, so much misinformation and some of these things were either A not evil or B not even her fault
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Or in a completely different universe. This was...poorly done.
@joelgreenlee94215 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. I have another idea for a list....top 10 DC characters we'd like to see Tom King do a series on. With his sort of ending with Batman and the brilliant Mister Miracle series in the can, I'd love to see his take on some other characters. I really dug Vision at marvel and I think it would be cool to see him do a series on the Question. What do you think?
@armoroftruth31665 жыл бұрын
Thats why if i was a mutant i wouldn't join the x men there is a lot of game of thrones in there.
@jamelbrewster76675 жыл бұрын
Mainly between storm and cyclops
@armoroftruth31665 жыл бұрын
@@jamelbrewster7667 you mean wolverin and cyclops?
@jamelbrewster76675 жыл бұрын
Look it up but storm and cyclops were the main leaders
@GurennKugamire5 жыл бұрын
Dang it Bobby!
@wesmindo57292 жыл бұрын
That ending of the video was really nice.
@gmoney49805 жыл бұрын
The worst thing Jean Grey did..... was be in the new X-Men movie, Dark Phoenix.
@luizm81645 жыл бұрын
gmoney4980 the movie isn’t that bad .
@spideyguy33154 жыл бұрын
And cheating on her man multiple times!!
@Materminds1875 жыл бұрын
Treating versions of characters from different universes like they should have the same personalities and histories as the mainstream comics versions.
@grahamcann17615 жыл бұрын
Jules, as always, thank you so very much (to you and those you work besides) for the video, and the heart-felt words at the end.
@christopherbyrdakaSuperman2 ай бұрын
OK,the darkPheonix thing, even though she executed an entire solar system and all the sentient life in it, I can still forgive, but killing the mutant icon, Rogue, that is unforgivable Jean! That was going to far!
@redbird41685 жыл бұрын
Jean is still one of our best students, nobodies perfect.
@Krofetzir5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that message in the end. I needed that.
@ShadowBolt8695 жыл бұрын
How is Jena cheating on cyclops with wolverine not on here?
@danhibiki25 жыл бұрын
inb4 "turning iceman gay" isnt in the list
@TheChriscount5 жыл бұрын
yeah, all she did was have a privet convo with her friend away from everybody else. She didn't out him.
@greenbeancom385 жыл бұрын
!!! Wakanda Forever !!!
@the83rdtrombonist605 жыл бұрын
This is stretching it. Points of alternate versions.
@Jedi_Spartan_385 жыл бұрын
Have you guys done a video explaining the confusing X-Men film timeline?
@ranhill625 жыл бұрын
Frost got what she deserved. She knows hell hath no Fury like a woman scorn. But she risked it all anyway. Ef her.
@florkiler62425 жыл бұрын
thx Jean,very cool
@red_ashcroft3 жыл бұрын
Probably one of it is tripping on a cable.
@CaptEoNinja835 жыл бұрын
That whole the Phoenix being a duplicate of Jean and therefore rendering the whole "Dark Phoenix Saga" useless is one of the top LAMEST things Marvel has EVER done! Right up there with Avengers: Dissembled, the "No More Mutants" thing, One More Day, and that Phoenix Five crud. Worst thing Jean has ever done? Fall in love with Scott Summers. Jeez, Jean! You don't out someone against their wishes!
@Argocity20065 жыл бұрын
Phase 6 She did tell her mom and dad that she was alive in a issue of X-factor.
@coyoteartist4 жыл бұрын
Was the issue that she went back in time or that she didn't give herself advice. And I just love how comics just toss out that old, don't run into your past self issue.
@DD-gr2lr5 жыл бұрын
I was hoping her outing Bobby was here and more importantly her torturing Emma Frost.
@packedentertainment28665 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised she’s not still called Marvel Girl
@ilovepinatas31795 жыл бұрын
I love the positive message in contrast to the jokes. Jules is like that crass uncle that everyone loves
@movieblocks91645 жыл бұрын
Dark Phoenix wasn’t jean. It was a amalgam of her that took her form.
@TITANICLUSITANIA5 жыл бұрын
That was retconnes. Seemingly. :/
@scottythedawg3 жыл бұрын
-1 in a what if.... she destroyed the universe.
@kevinmurry88035 жыл бұрын
Also, there was the time when Jean mind-controlled the Hulk to beat up Sabretooth. Poor Sabretooth.
@ranhill625 жыл бұрын
I thought Hulk was resistant to mind control?
@kevinmurry88035 жыл бұрын
@@ranhill62 Not when it came to Jean Grey.
@minnnmie4 ай бұрын
AND GOOD FOR HER GOOD FOR HER .
@babyjesuslovesme12195 жыл бұрын
Then a dbari warrior came back to destroy her and she used her powers to make him believe he succeeded. It was a storyline where earth was being used as a prison for all the universes criminals or something like that.
@snoopz25 жыл бұрын
Emma was asking for it and she was damn lucky that all Jean did..... remember what she did to mastermind after the hellfire club shenanigans, and talking of the hellfire club, if I had the Phoenix’s power I would have people a permanent stop to them. Going back Emma Frost, should have known the type of Person Jean Grey was and is and yet still continued to provoke her and that what her just desert, imagine if Jean was the Dark Phoenix..... Emma would not have survive the experience. Emma was a shady girl and I think Scott should have got some of that treatment, but it just seems that he got away with their telepathic affair 😒😒😒😒😒
@cassiuscoleman46245 жыл бұрын
It's noted that you're covering multiple versions of Jean from multiple timelines/universes. To me neither of these people are all one in the same. The fact that they are all different versions confirms that they are not the same person so you've stacked the deck in favor of your review. On the note of rejecting her children I'll say the same thing I said (not here, of course) about Barry and Iris' acceptance of Nora from the future; you cannot have instantaneous connection to and affection for someone you have no actual history with. It doesn't matter how much they look like you, some 17 yr old kid appearing out of nowhere claiming to be your offspring is not something I don't think most people would just automatically cop to. Plus being in the business they're in you'd think people like them, the X-men and Team tv Flash would think twice and be on guard against potential enemies trying to use emotions and sentimentality to infiltrate and destroy them.
@deadpoolregeneratedegenera16835 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the worst thing she did was give us The Last Stand’s awful interpretation of the Dark Phoenix story arc.
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Thank Ratner and Kinberg for that, not Jean, she was as much a victim as we all were lol
@deadpoolregeneratedegenera16835 жыл бұрын
peanutsinspace That I can agree with. How bout this: The worst thing she ever did was sign on to be in those movies.
@snoopz22 ай бұрын
Nah Emma frost deserved every ounce of that torture, but Scott should have gotten a lot more and a lot worse, and let not for get what she did to storm and the rest of x-men while she was the white queen of the hellfire club.
@TheSpawnfan5 жыл бұрын
7. "People don't hate you because you're mutants, they hate you because you're a bunch of $%^*^%$$@"- Spider Man and he is correct
@jibriljinno5 жыл бұрын
super powers...yes they be jealous,,,
@brandonreed095 жыл бұрын
#1 doesn't count. It wasn't actually Jean via retcon.
@alexanderhauryski42385 жыл бұрын
Number 9 wasn’t Jean Grey it was A Baby Xaver mind trick reveled in All-New X-Men #28 Vol 1
@ggt475 жыл бұрын
3:35 Mmh,
@jdayman55285 жыл бұрын
Jean was not the Phoenix. The Phoenix mirrored her thoughts and duplicated her body.
@princessmarlena13594 жыл бұрын
She built a dummy in the work shed, tricked her cousin into helping her take it to a highway overpass, and pushed it over the side, causing a multi vehicle accident...oh wait, that was someone else. NVM.
@alexandermccalla50985 жыл бұрын
Yeah Jean should've got both Frost and Scott. I can see Frost's psychic abilities being cause for taking it out on her. Quite the torture.
@darkphoenix4745 жыл бұрын
Alexander McCalla and Emma started the affair just to hurt Jean
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
@@darkphoenix474 That's true she just never expected to fall in love with Scott along the way.
@spideyguy33154 жыл бұрын
@@darkphoenix474 but she cheated on him with wolv
@darkphoenix4744 жыл бұрын
Jaylen Mark yeah they kissed a few times but what Scott did with Emma went much further
@spideyguy33154 жыл бұрын
@@darkphoenix474 but Jean started the whole affair while she was still with Scott before Emma was intoduce,and Jean and that basterd logan they kissed a few times?...they did more than kiss out of the page and if I was Scott,I wouldn't want my wife to kiss another man even though if it was afew
@endoetz5 жыл бұрын
is jean grey a sibling of sasha grey?
@AlphaAhire5 жыл бұрын
video on Indian comics
@vj90215 жыл бұрын
So you put Scott's death in the good things she does? & wasn't her forcing Logan to kill her bag? If your only doing comic bad then don't tease with movie clips. Only in the animated series did Scott & Jean seen a couple. Hugh's character is the focus in the movies, it would be like expecting the girl to fall for Q when Bonds around- hard sell.
@miltonestefano5 жыл бұрын
Nice final advice
@thor20705 жыл бұрын
The Hellfire Club and the White Queen-Emma Frost got what they deserve for fucking with Jean Grey for years. So this is one thing she did right.
@NICKIMINAJLUVSME2XOX5 жыл бұрын
*Can you please make a "10 Worst Things Storm Has Ever Done" video please ?!?*
@Aeonoftherift5 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I never really liked her because like Emma Frost, she seems too full of herself.. and pretty much be a psycho-knot of emotions. (Crazy jealous too it seems..)
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Jean is probably one of the most compassionate X-Men around, her biggest fault is that she probably cares too much. She's not crazy and she's not that much of a jealous person either, I'm not sure where you're basing these assumptions.
@allyjay73955 жыл бұрын
Of course Bobby was always gay, why else would he be in a relationship with Rogue, a woman he could never touch. Lol
@kaceyjohnson44403 жыл бұрын
Iceman used to be my favorite X-men, then Marvel went ahead and retconned him as gay just to push that ever so hated agenda, it's not diversity, it the ruining of what was once a great marvel character
@hcbabyssian89362 жыл бұрын
So, he stopped being great just because he came out of the closet? I'm also against agenda-pushing being done by both Marvel and DC but to insinuate that Bobby Drake became less of a hero and less of a great character just because of his sexuality is a bit too much.
@jibriljinno5 жыл бұрын
i was teary eyed on the last message... im trans and i suffered the struggle since birth...even still now.. T_T
@remylabeau51405 жыл бұрын
Well technically that wasn’t Jean who took out the D’Baris
@BLasherman5 жыл бұрын
This is true, it's a clone of her the Phoenix made, good catch
@BLasherman5 жыл бұрын
"10 Worst Things 4 Different Jean Greys Have Ever Done" Those are all different people, Not the same woman: Ultimate Jean Grey, Nior Jean Grey, Modern Jean Grey, and the Jean Grey Beast brought from the past. Hell, one of those is future Jean Grey of the Jean Grey Beast brought from the past, so she may even be a 5th person, technically.
@jravage775 жыл бұрын
The Phoenix Force itself destroyed the D'Bari; that wasn't Jean.
@spideyguy33154 жыл бұрын
She cheated on her husband multiple time on a goddamn row!!
@minnnmie4 ай бұрын
yall spider fans are so fake
@deshawnedwards64125 жыл бұрын
Do Top 10 Actors we Want to play Batman Villains in Films.
@armoroftruth31665 жыл бұрын
I myself want david tennant play the riddle
@dr.goomba50575 жыл бұрын
She made iceman gay
@remylebeau89345 жыл бұрын
Dr. Goomba Brian Michael Bendis did. Not Jean.
@stevenendersby84425 жыл бұрын
It ruined IceMans decade's long story as a straight man by sjw-ing it into stupidity just like most of modern Marvel comics sjws ruin everything thay touch.
@BLasherman5 жыл бұрын
No, she found out one of the 2 possible Bobby Drakes, one was gay. This whole thing is a mess caused by Beast traveling back and pulling the original X-men for the 1960, THAT Iceman is gay, the real, previous Iceman from 616 universe is straight. They both are running around now. It's a thing.
@remylebeau89345 жыл бұрын
Guys. Please READ comics before giving an opinion. The teen Iceman is sent back in time. He’s no longer in the present. (X-termination) After Jean confronted him about lying to himself, the older (616) Bobby had a conversation with them both. In that conversation he said it was tough enough being a mutant, so he didn’t want the struggle of being a mutant AND publicly gay. So he never acted on it. (All New X-men by Bendis) But Iceman (the adult 616) version had his own series which just ended a while ago. And in that 2 volume series, he is very gay. It’s the gayest comic I’ve ever read. Jean did not do this to him. The writers did. She didn’t psychically manipulate him. She simply read his mind and told him what she saw. And he came to terms with it.
@allyjay73955 жыл бұрын
@@stevenendersby8442 The entire X-men franchise is based on the LGBT community. Different people who are collectively rejected by society who come together and bond based on those same differences.
@River-pg1uk5 жыл бұрын
that iceman is gay storyline is a down right stupid retcon
@bmagada5 жыл бұрын
Uhhhh no Jules....she literally turned him gay. Especially apparent now that he's going to be straight again because it was a terrible decision to begin with.
@vincentblanco20325 жыл бұрын
Wait is that's true, are they changing bobby back to his original self?
@arcanask5 жыл бұрын
@@vincentblanco2032 The entire X-men lineup is getting a reboot. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but this is the first I'm hearing about it too. Dubious claim.
@remylebeau89345 жыл бұрын
Billy Magada Me telling you that you’re gay doesn’t make you gay. But if I were to ask if you, being a man, thought Angel was sexy, and you said “yes.” You were already gay dude. Jean did not literally turn him gay.
@stevenendersby84425 жыл бұрын
@@remylebeau8934 yes she did she used her phycic powers to force him into being gay by manipulating his memory's to acceve it.
@remylebeau89345 жыл бұрын
Steven Endersby you just made that up 😂 stop it with the lies. I actually read comics.
@geofft.19595 жыл бұрын
Making Iceman think he is gay is one of the worst things indeed... Don't trust telepaths
@stevenendersby84425 жыл бұрын
More should you. Thay're terrifying.
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
She didn't make him think anything. She picked up on the thoughts he already had and read his mind and then she talks to him away from the other X-Men. Please read the book before spouting disinformation.
@slibertas19965 жыл бұрын
Iceman is not gay. He’s the Protestant version of Nightcrawler as he preached nightcrawler’s funeral.
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Well, then you're in for a big surprise because he's gay in the comics.
@Cytron15155 жыл бұрын
U forgot when she cheated on Scott with Logan. Or how about when the Hellfire Club turned her into their new Black Queen and pitter her against her fellow X-Men.
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Whelp, given that she's never cheated on Scott, I'm not sure how they could count something that's never happened. The Black Queen was a brainwashed Jean Grey wrapped up in an illusion created by Mastermind, she couldn't see that they were the X-Men because that wasn't how they looked in the illusion.
@jamesalexhowlett5 жыл бұрын
1) turned ice man gay
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Nope. She didn't. He was already gay to begin with, she just read his mind.
@jamesalexhowlett5 жыл бұрын
peanutsinspace no he wasn’t, they retconned him into being gay because they wanted more diversity, and marvel didn’t like any of the gay mutants they had. The main argument people make for Bobby being gay all along is that Bobby’s relationships never worked out, which btw, no one in comics work out. Not Warren, Scott, Jean, Xavier, or even hank. The writer used Jean as a tool to make Bobby gay.
@joaobrissos18895 жыл бұрын
And that is how you have misinformations moving around the internet .... Pleeeaaassssseeeee.... You should say this vídeo is about Jean Grey's alternate timelines or muitiversions of the character . If you are a Comics Book reader you Will call bull.... on such video because if Marvel's mainstream Universe Earth 616 is something of Value then you can ONLY account 3 of those actions to Jean Grey and most of them justified by It's ( Earth 616 ) History .so i Will just say .......Ppppplllllllleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssseeeeeeeeee 🙄
@GaryTurbo5 жыл бұрын
I don't think X-Men fit in MCU
@beastunleashed6575 жыл бұрын
They're gonna reboot the X-Men franchise
@GaryTurbo5 жыл бұрын
They still dont fit
@mrthanos81405 жыл бұрын
They started mcu live action movies and I would take x men over half the mcu any day
@IllMatic975 жыл бұрын
@@mrthanos8140 x men were the first marvel franchise but the mcu outclasses the x men franchise by a long shot. You're just an x men fanboy, marvel fans i tells ya.
@mrthanos81405 жыл бұрын
RajOfColumbus nah stopped caring after Logan but iron man 5 looks nice
@Juan.Padilla19985 жыл бұрын
I really hope the MCU doesn’t make Iceman/Bobby Drake Gay. Please
@thomaswelbourn555 жыл бұрын
Why? If they did it from the start and organically it would be fine, but if they do it how the comic did then definitely not
@zetnadzxx6145 жыл бұрын
lol iceman being gay? those writers so need to be removed from x-men go make tony stark gay or black panther gay.
@MrEvilGrin5 жыл бұрын
It ticked me off as a kid that all the X Men had nicknames, like Wolverine or Cyclops, but Jean Grey just used her own name.
@rezdan42575 жыл бұрын
She was Marvel Girl in X-Men #1.
@peanutsinspace5 жыл бұрын
Later during the series, she took the name Phoenix and that served as her codename until her death in New X-Men. But currently, she's back to just using her name. Same way Emma Frost went by her first and last for awhile after losing the title White Queen but now I believe she goes by Black King.