When a complicated proof simplifies everything

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Stand-up Maths

Stand-up Maths

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@KhanStopMe
@KhanStopMe Ай бұрын
i thought this was blindingly obvious until i realised the reason i thought that is because i had already picked 10 as my starting number so the proof was immediately intuitive for a brief moment, i thought i was a genius
@zzzaphod8507
@zzzaphod8507 Ай бұрын
That version of it may be obvious but it's a bit in-tens for me.
@HunterJE
@HunterJE Ай бұрын
Same, I saw the thumbnail and so knew I'd be raising it to an exponent, and so picked a number I knew would be easy to do that to without getting out a calculator. And yeah definitely gave away the trick on the second proof XD
@johnnye87
@johnnye87 Ай бұрын
Once they've followed the step of converting to base b, technically everyone is using 10 as their starting number
@malvoliosf
@malvoliosf Ай бұрын
I’m not convinced you are not.
@gnaskar
@gnaskar Ай бұрын
I picked 2. Which, yes, is divisible by 1.
@karlmikko
@karlmikko Ай бұрын
I raised to the power of 1. Made a load of sense.
@NonFatMead
@NonFatMead Ай бұрын
Now prove for case n+1 and you've got your inductive proof.
@positivity3311
@positivity3311 Ай бұрын
me too
@soberhippie
@soberhippie Ай бұрын
I raised it to the power of 0, and it made no sense at all
@gigantopithecus8254
@gigantopithecus8254 Ай бұрын
@@soberhippiei mean 0/(b-1) is an integrr for b!=1
@lucas2nded461
@lucas2nded461 Ай бұрын
I chose 1 as my starting number "b", which I promptly regretted
@mattgsm
@mattgsm Ай бұрын
"Wait it's all 9s" "Always has been"
@danielmcallister8902
@danielmcallister8902 Ай бұрын
Love the second proof! In the vein of the first proof, there's the identity b^n - a^n = (b-a)*(b^n-1 + b^n-2 * a + .... + b * a^n-2 + a^n-1) that makes the divisibility quite clear.
@ShongoStick
@ShongoStick Ай бұрын
ah yes, this complicated string of math that i don't understand....yes, i understood that perfectly
@mathieuaurousseau100
@mathieuaurousseau100 Ай бұрын
And now in the vein of the second proof, in (b^n)-1=(b-1)(b^n-1+b^n-2+...+b+1), if you write the second number in base b you get 111..1 (b ones)
@saavyk1264
@saavyk1264 Ай бұрын
@@mathieuaurousseau100 Whoa
@nikos4677
@nikos4677 Ай бұрын
This was my first thought.
@iang0th
@iang0th Ай бұрын
@@ShongoStick It's easier to understand (at least if you can write it out properly instead of trying to force it into a KZfaq comment), if you look at like this: first set a=1, since we don't need the more general version, so we have (b-1)(b^n-1 + b^n-2 + ... b + 1) If you expand that out, you get (b^n + b^n-1 + ... b^2 + b) - (b^n-1 + b^n-2 + ... + b + 1). If you compare the positive terms with the ones being subtracted off, you'll notice that all of them cancel out except for the first and last, b^n-1.
@henningsperr8063
@henningsperr8063 Ай бұрын
I thought of b=1
@Elnadrius
@Elnadrius Ай бұрын
Me too!
@JohnR31415
@JohnR31415 Ай бұрын
Try b=pi, or root 2
@revadiazairlangga5939
@revadiazairlangga5939 Ай бұрын
same here
@blackholedividedbyzero
@blackholedividedbyzero Ай бұрын
Zero divided by zero
@EqSlay
@EqSlay Ай бұрын
That's a bbbase case.
@hallojava2458
@hallojava2458 Ай бұрын
Nice proof by induction I made: b^1 - 1 is obviously divisible by b - 1, as they are the same If b^n - 1 is divisible by b - 1, then so is b^(n+1) - 1, as b^(n+1) - 1 = b^(n+1) - b + b - 1 = b(b^n - 1) + (b - 1) First term divides by (b - 1), as b^n - 1 divides by (b - 1) Second term (b - 1) divides by (b - 1) Induction: True of first case, and second, and third, and so on...
@quentind1924
@quentind1924 Ай бұрын
I did that too!
@kombat4135
@kombat4135 Ай бұрын
I thought of this as well
@broskey4041
@broskey4041 Ай бұрын
was it specified that n is a set of natural numbers?
@chaddaifouche536
@chaddaifouche536 Ай бұрын
@@broskey4041 You mean *in* the set of natural numbers. And that's really a matter of conventions : if you use n as a value name for something else than a (natural) integer without precisions, you're an heretical monster in the mathematical community. Similarly, because we're discussing divisibility without more details, you can infer that b should be an integer too. Of course if you're writing a math paper or in your exam, you should **really** details all of this!
@broskey4041
@broskey4041 Ай бұрын
@@chaddaifouche536 thank you for the correction and clarification. I didn't even know that divisibility implies working with integers that's kinda cool
@amorphant
@amorphant Ай бұрын
MATT! I think there's a lovely geometric proof as well! Visualize 5^2 as a 5x5 grid of squares. Remove the southeast corner. You now have a row of 4 (n-1) to the west of the missing square. Remove it. You also have a column of 4 to the north of the missing square. Remove it. You're left with a 4x4 grid, which is just more rows of 4. This works for any n^2. It extrapolates to higher dimensions as well. If you make a 5x5x5 cube, then take out one corner, you can remove one entire face using the method above. Then, remove the strip of 4 that's aligned with the missing corner on the Z-axis -- just like you did with the "row" and "column" in the x^2 example -- which leaves you with a bunch of identical slices, each of which is identical to the 2-dimensional example after removing one corner piece.
@vsm1456
@vsm1456 Ай бұрын
I like your idea! When a problem is visualised it makes it much more simple for me.
@jonathanallan5007
@jonathanallan5007 Ай бұрын
This. I visualised exactly the same almost straight away.
@jonathanallan5007
@jonathanallan5007 Ай бұрын
...and going up in dimensions by one always adds (b-1) copies of the currently existing cubelets prior to the removal from the very first strip.
@amethystklintberg7436
@amethystklintberg7436 Ай бұрын
This is beautiful!
@Naryoril
@Naryoril Ай бұрын
This should get more upvotes
@dtfd_
@dtfd_ Ай бұрын
0:05 b = 1 0:30 n = 0 0:41 oh... So it turns out you can divide by 0 after all
@Mitchpott
@Mitchpott Ай бұрын
Does 0/0 = 1 or undefined or infinity
@kutsen39
@kutsen39 Ай бұрын
​@@Mitchpott0/0 is considered undefined. Imagine a function (or graph it in Desmos) where it's some number divided by x, like y=1/x. If you start at x=1 and move towards x=0, you're dividing by a smaller number which means you're actually multiplying by a larger number, i.e. 1÷½=1×2. So as x approaches 0 from the positive side, the number races off to infinity. Now what happens if you start from x=-1? Well, the exact same thing, but the number is now negative. As x gets infinitely close to 0, the 'limit' (basically what we've just done) is different depending on how you look at it. So the limit is said to not exist. Lastly, imagine the age-old 0.99999... = 1. You might know it works because it's an infinitely long string of O's, but if you try to decide what its limit is (the number it gets infinitely close to), it approaches 1. There are some great proofs here for you to find. But in this respect of limits, we arrive at the conclusion that they are actually equivalent. So, because the limit does not exist, it is impossible to divide by 0. In actual calculus, it is said that if your result is 0/0, you've taken the wrong approach.
@danceswithowls
@danceswithowls Ай бұрын
Factors aren't defined by division but by multiplication into a product. Given h × k = j, then h and k are factors of j. Likewise, since 3 × 0 = 0, both 3 and 0 are factors of 0. Nothing in there about division.
@nickpro8116
@nickpro8116 Ай бұрын
From the point of view of the definition of divisibility, 0 is actually divisible by 0, since there exists a number (any number in fact) that you can multiply by zero to get zero. The funny thing is, this still doesn't imply you can divide by zero, it's just the one single case where the terms "divisibility" and "division" collide and contradict each other. But for any non-zero number, divisibility for sure implies that you can divide by that number and get a single unambiguous result.
@19divide53
@19divide53 Ай бұрын
@@nickpro8116 The terms "divisibility" and "division" do not contradict each other. Division is defined as multiplication (one of the defining operation in a ring) by the multiplicative inverse (which exists for any nonzero element in a field). By definition, "division" excludes dividing by zero already.
@jihoonkim9766
@jihoonkim9766 Ай бұрын
The two proofs are actually very closely related! In the first proof, you basically factor b^n - 1 into (b - 1) * (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + b^(n-3) + ... + b^0). And in the second proof, the reason aaa...a in base b is divisible by a is because aaa...a (base b) = a * b^(n-1) + a * b^(n-2) + a * b^(n-3) + ... + a * b^0 = a * (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + b^(n-3) + ... + b^0). Since a = b - 1, they are the same equation :)
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 Ай бұрын
No sh1t, Sherlock.
@novamc7945
@novamc7945 Ай бұрын
​@@samueldeandrade8535 You must be pretty smart wow
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 Ай бұрын
@@novamc7945 thanks, but no. No one needs to be smart to NOT like obvious comments.
@novamc7945
@novamc7945 Ай бұрын
​ @samueldeandrade8535 That's a stupid argument. According to your analogy, videos that explain a topic at a fundamental level should simply NOT exist. Afterall, it's obvious. Plus, it's certainly not like there are people out there that don't understand the subject you're so profoundly good at! If you'd already inferred what the comment was suggesting, you could've simply ignored it and moved on. There was simply no need to leave a discrediting reply. Nothing like a good old KZfaq comment section argument.
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 Ай бұрын
@@novamc7945 "According to your analogy ..." Wtf are talking about? What analogy? I made no analogy ...
@mocliamtoh573
@mocliamtoh573 Ай бұрын
I like how "complicating" the initial problem leads to a much more intuitive understanding of the proof. (And the dig at Amazon)
@kullen2042
@kullen2042 Ай бұрын
My first intuition when I heard "divisible by something" was to consider the whole situation modulo this something. There it also becomes quickly apparent, because modulo (b-1) we have: b ≡ 1 (mod b-1) and therefore b^n ≡ 1^n = 1 (mod b-1), hence b^n - 1 ≡ 0 (mod b-1), but the last equation is exactly synonymous to "(b^n - 1) is divisible by (b - 1)". Of course this than relates to the fact, that 1 is a zero of the polynomial (x^n - 1), because the calculation above is just evaluating this polynomial in the according ring of residual integers (Z/(b-1)Z).
@jameshart2622
@jameshart2622 Ай бұрын
Nice one. Really clean. It does have the downside of not knowing the resulting alternate factor, though. Still a good proof, though.
@preetichandra7113
@preetichandra7113 27 күн бұрын
Just got that answer too🤪🤪🤪
@nura8578
@nura8578 Ай бұрын
I REALLY LOVE WHEN WE SWITCH NUMBER BASES AND IT BECOMES OBVIOUS IT IS MY FAVORITE GENRE OF MATH
@polygrum
@polygrum Ай бұрын
The "base b" insight is wonderful, but it really doesn't answer how you would decide to do that. For me it's much more natural to switch to mod b-1, where b^n - 1 = 1^n - 1 = 0 mod b-1, since when you have to prove that x is divisible by y it's often useful to switch to proving that x = 0 mod y.
@akaHarvesteR
@akaHarvesteR Ай бұрын
Base B is just mod B with a carry 😊
@gideonk123
@gideonk123 Ай бұрын
But then when you need to divide by b-1 mod b-1, it would be like dividing by zero, or perhaps I didn’t understand you?
@JdeBP
@JdeBP Ай бұрын
The base b approach is natural when one is in school and one hasn't done modular arithmetic yet, but one _has_ encountered things like how to test in base 10 for divisibility by 9.
@Pieter31
@Pieter31 Ай бұрын
@@gideonk123 if a number is 0 mod b-1, that means its divisible by b-1
@quentind1924
@quentind1924 Ай бұрын
A way to find it would’ve been if you tried b=10 at some point in your tests
@Cmanorange
@Cmanorange Ай бұрын
i love the orange circle in the top right, brings the whole thing together
@yoavshati
@yoavshati Ай бұрын
If you use b-1=a you can rewrite the problem as (a+1)^n - 1 being divisible by a, and if you were to expand it you would get a lot of terms with some power of a, and then +1-1, which just cancels
@Subatomicfish
@Subatomicfish Ай бұрын
I believe that coincides with how synthetic division works, which was how I went about thinking through the problem
@softy8088
@softy8088 Ай бұрын
I really like this one.
@Penrose707
@Penrose707 Ай бұрын
This is how I went about it as well. Let F(b, n) = (b^(n) - 1) / (b - 1). Now evaluate at F(b + 1, n) = ((1 + b)^(n) - 1) / (b). Now expand the binomial and note that C(n ,n) b^0 = 1, which cancels the one in the numerator. Now we have a polynomial expression in terms of b multiplied by 1/b, which we can negate by subtracting one in all of our terms. Now evaluate this expression at b - 1 to show that F(b, n) = (b^(n) - 1) / (b - 1) = sum(k = 0, n - 1, C(n, k) * (b - 1)^(n-k-1))
@xHyperElectric
@xHyperElectric Ай бұрын
I paused the video immediately after you said you picked 440, thought for a moment, decided on 17. I unpaused the video and the next sentence you said was someone else picked 17. I was reminded of Veritasium’s recent video on the human inability to create randomness.
@AkiSan0
@AkiSan0 Ай бұрын
well. technically he didnt say to pick a "fully random" number, but just a number we like, thus reducing the numbers chosen by a LOT.
@Lombravia
@Lombravia Ай бұрын
17 is just a decently likable number.
@X1ma_
@X1ma_ Ай бұрын
I picked 17, but only because it used to be my favourite football player's number when I was a kid, and now it's my favourite number xD
@sol_in.victus
@sol_in.victus Ай бұрын
I picked 7 and i think there's something to it why is 7 a number people often pick
@JdeBP
@JdeBP Ай бұрын
I have changed my strategy for picking random numbers under 100 since I watched that. 30 and 90 are preferred random numbers, now. But, of course, there's the question of how many other people in the world have thought the same. (-:
@Nolys-bk4kd
@Nolys-bk4kd Ай бұрын
To be honest, the first thing I thought of were geometric sums ( [b^n-1]/[b-1] = 1 + b + b² + ... + b^[n-1] ). But that's an admittedly more convoluted way of proving that [b^n-1]/[b-1] is an integer than proving that 1 is a root of x^n-1
@prof.dr.jorgmeuthenne765
@prof.dr.jorgmeuthenne765 Ай бұрын
same
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 Ай бұрын
That's probably the original proof of this fact.
@Schpeeedy
@Schpeeedy Ай бұрын
well you can do your way without proving that for any a satisfying a polynomial f(x), (x-a) divides f(x). So I think its nicer
@TechToppers
@TechToppers Ай бұрын
I mean you would have to show after dividing it out, the polynomial has integer coeffs? If rationals then, we can't guarantee?
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 Ай бұрын
@@Schpeeedy exactly.
@efhiii
@efhiii Ай бұрын
"I don't think anybody's ever used base 440 before" Hmm... 440 Hz is what A440 (Stuttgart pitch) tuning is based on. I suppose it's more of a unit conversion than base though. I'm sure someone's played 440 Hz on a bass before though, and maybe that would be bass 440. A0 = 27.5 Hz A1 = 55 Hz A2 = 110 Hz A3 = 220 Hz *A4 = 440 Hz* A5 = 880 Hz A6 = 1760 Hz A7 = 3520 Hz A8 = 7040 Hz
@BigDBrian
@BigDBrian Ай бұрын
I'm sure the 440Hz playing bassist also had some sheets of paper: A0 = 1 m² A1 = 1/2 m² A2 = 1/4 m² A3 = 1/8 m² A4 = 1/16 m² ...
@musicat3330
@musicat3330 Ай бұрын
@@BigDBrian Then if you multiply the pitch by the paper size, you get a very strange way to express kinematic viscosity: A4 × A4 = 440 Hz × 1/16 m² = 27.5 m²/s = 275 kilostokes (kSt)
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick Ай бұрын
A440 isn't a bass note, it's the very definition of mid-range.
@efhiii
@efhiii Ай бұрын
@@AlRoderick it's not a bass note, but that doesn't mean it can't be played on a bass.
@ShinySwalot
@ShinySwalot Ай бұрын
instructions unclear, I picked "b" to be the big famous constant e and it didn't work :(
@Cruzz999
@Cruzz999 Ай бұрын
Similarly, I picked pi. Fairly sure that's not working either.
@spaceshipable
@spaceshipable Ай бұрын
I think 1 has to divide into your "b". I imagine if you picked b = ½, you could say b ^ n - ¼ is divisible by b - ¼. (I picked ¼ because it divides into ½). Therefore it makes sense that b has to be an integer for the video's equation to work. p.s. this could all be wrong, I've not actually checked the maths
@adityaflashraj
@adityaflashraj Ай бұрын
No it definitely works
@oinkoink3669
@oinkoink3669 Ай бұрын
it only applies to integers. He should have said that
@katherinescheper1951
@katherinescheper1951 Ай бұрын
I picked -1/4. Can you believe that didn't work?
@Zerotan
@Zerotan Ай бұрын
I thought of the cubes from grade school. Your n-hypercube can be decomposed into a bunch of sticks and slabs and cubes and hypercubes that have (b-1) side lengths.... and.... 1, but you have conveniently subtracted that out.
@estherstreet4582
@estherstreet4582 Ай бұрын
Yeah, I found it fairly easy to visualise a proof for n=2 and n=3 just by chopping up shapes, but I wasn't sure how to visualise n=4 lmao
@jacovisscher
@jacovisscher Ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly! Sad it wasn't original, happy people think in hypercubes!
@UnCavi
@UnCavi Ай бұрын
Yes, this is my favorite proof. You can also mix it with a bit of induction to make it simpler: b^n -1 is the volume of a n-cube with side lenght b, which has a small (n-cube)-shaped hole with side length 1 at one of its corners. Take a slice off of it from the top: you’re left with a n-parallelepid with one side lenght (b-1) and all other sides b, and the extra slice you cut off. You can “flat” this extra slice by looking at it from the front, suppressing the dimension along its side of lenght 1. Then, you’ve got the same shape as you started with, but which lives in 1 dimension lower: a (n-1)-cube with a unit corner missing. Repeat n times and you get all shapes with at least a side lenght of (b-1)
@helsing7423
@helsing7423 Ай бұрын
My b was 2. Yep, i was underwhelmed
@charstringetje
@charstringetje Ай бұрын
That's odd
@Centauris-ty8wn
@Centauris-ty8wn Ай бұрын
I think it’s prime time to retry with another number.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 Ай бұрын
@@charstringetje No, 2 is definitely even.
@helsing7423
@helsing7423 Ай бұрын
@@Centauris-ty8wn 2 is my favourite number. I would never forsake it.
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 Ай бұрын
​@@helsing7423Two forever!
@pitust
@pitust Ай бұрын
I tried proving this myself without watching the rest of the video, and I made something like: 1. Base case: for n=1, b^n-1 is clearly divisible by b-1 (because they are equal) 2. Inductive case: Let's say b^n-1 is some x(b-1) + 1. Then: b^(n+1)-1 = b (b^n) - 1 = b(x(b-1)+1)-1 = bx(b-1) + b - 1 = bx(b-1) + 1(b-1) = (bx+1)(b-1) which is also divisible by b-1. QED
@123MondayTuesday
@123MondayTuesday Ай бұрын
The naughty orange dot in the top right corner bugged me
@skyforger8102
@skyforger8102 Ай бұрын
I Love the shade thrown at Amazon!
@threesixtydegreeorbits2047
@threesixtydegreeorbits2047 Ай бұрын
The base change is sooo poggers
@notnilc2107
@notnilc2107 Ай бұрын
very skibidi indeed.
@movieidiots5542
@movieidiots5542 Ай бұрын
Spoiler alert!
@Huntracony
@Huntracony Ай бұрын
My mind was blown and I immediately understood when you said to use the base of the number, wonderful proof. I love the bigger videos with locations and large production values, but I love these simple "Here's a cool math(s) thing!" videos too, and I'm glad you're doing both.
@Leandro-vy7nj
@Leandro-vy7nj Ай бұрын
I am also very stunned by the implications this could have on quickly determining if a number is divisible by another specific number. Powerful stuff
@MrCheeze
@MrCheeze Ай бұрын
Not only is the second proof easy to follow, it also immediately tells you what the other factor is and why (1, b+1, b^2+b+1, etc, depending on n)
@raresaturn
@raresaturn Ай бұрын
What is the second proof?
@jacksonpercy8044
@jacksonpercy8044 Ай бұрын
The base B proof. Also I wasn't expecting to see MrCheese while scrolling through the comments. Neat.
@hoblesy
@hoblesy Ай бұрын
I think a pretty intuitive way of thinking about it is geometrically, If you make a b X b square (or cube or whatever) it can be seen to be a load of sets of (b - 1). In the case of a square b rows of b - 1 and one extra column of b - 1
@sumner1107
@sumner1107 Ай бұрын
This is how I visualized it as well
@JavedAlam-ce4mu
@JavedAlam-ce4mu Ай бұрын
Doesn't the extra column have b elements? E.g if b = 4 and we square it: Say these asterisks represent b, so here is a 4x4 grid: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I see b (4) rows of b-1(3) * * * * * * * * * * * * But this remaining extra column you refer to has b, not b-1 elements * * * * I just realised why this makes sense - because we are dividing by (b^n) - 1, so if you subtract this extra one off, then yes it is divisible by (b - 1) * * * But the way you described it was incorrect and confusing for me lol.
@hoblesy
@hoblesy Ай бұрын
@@JavedAlam-ce4mu sorry if I was unclear but yes we ended up at the same solution, if b = 4, you end up with: b rows of b - 1 (4 rows of 3) and one extra column of b - 1 (3) ###| ###|# ###|# ###|#
@sumner1107
@sumner1107 Ай бұрын
@@JavedAlam-ce4mu if you remove the corner square then yeah, youll have a square of (b-1)^2 plus 2(b-1) sides
@kenhaley4
@kenhaley4 Ай бұрын
Very nice! I love these kinds of insights. I'll never forget this little gem now.
@frenchertoast
@frenchertoast Ай бұрын
I like it when Matt does a video on a topic I fully understand, it makes me feel much smarter than I actually am.
@bighammer3464
@bighammer3464 Ай бұрын
Pick any number but irrationals don’t work. He really Mat Parkered those instructions.
@QuantumCurvature
@QuantumCurvature 15 күн бұрын
Actually, irrationals DO work, depending on your definition of divisibility. No matter the number, b^n - 1 can always be factorized as (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b + 1) * (b - 1). If you divide by b-1, you're left with just the b^(n-1) + ... + 1 term, whose representation in base b is always just 111...111. Thus, in base b, the resulting number is always an "integer" even if b itself is irrational.
@kpaasial
@kpaasial Ай бұрын
I like big exponents and I can not lie.
@Takame9
@Takame9 Ай бұрын
I asked myself this exact questions a few years ago during a calm shift, and came up with 3 solutions, two of them being those you present (but I cannot remember the third)! My favourite one was using base b. Love those kind of reflections, great video
@nattyzepko167
@nattyzepko167 Ай бұрын
That is GENIOUS! The base transformation is just so simple, I love it so much! I'm going to show everyone I know
@Patagonicus42
@Patagonicus42 Ай бұрын
I picked b=1. I feel like "a number" was not specific enough. Or is 0 divisible by 0? 🤔
@galoomba5559
@galoomba5559 Ай бұрын
Sure 0 is divisible by 0, 0 = k*0 for some k
@chemicalbrother5743
@chemicalbrother5743 Ай бұрын
@@galoomba5559 That would make 0 / 0 = k. Which is not a unique value, so u can't divide 0 by 0.
@mudkip_074
@mudkip_074 Ай бұрын
Zero is indeed divisible by zero. Since there exists a whole number k such that kx0=0 (this is true for all k, but we can take k=0 as an example, 0x0=0). Generally speaking "a is divisible by b" and "a is a multiple of b" are the same statement. This trips a lot of people up because there's no answer to "zero divided by zero", which sounds like it should mean the same thing, but it doesn't.
@Patagonicus42
@Patagonicus42 Ай бұрын
@@mudkip_074 Ah, right, hadn't considered that you can define divisibility by multiplication
@Mmmm1ch43l
@Mmmm1ch43l Ай бұрын
@@chemicalbrother5743 unfortunately, the mathematical definition of "a is divisible by b" is in general not the same as "you can divide b by a". this is because the concept of divisibility is very useful even in situations where you don't have a concept of division at all. in general, "a divides b" is defined as "there's some k such that k*a=b", which is obviously satisfied for 0 and 0, because 0*k=0 for all k.
@cosumel
@cosumel Ай бұрын
I was obsessed with the Mersenne series in middle school. I discovered early that 2^(2n)-1 was divisible by 2^2-1 and 2^(3n)-1 was divisible by 2^3-1. That’s how i checked my work.
@heighRick
@heighRick Ай бұрын
Matt releasing the video I didn't think I needed today. Thanks, helps a lot!
@StarchedPie
@StarchedPie Ай бұрын
There is also a simple way to prove this by induction, for increasing n. (It's going to sound complicated in text but with pictures it's obvious) For n = 2, imagine the it as a square grid, now take one off the corner, now you have a rectangle of b*(b-1) plus a line of b-1, which are both divisible by b-1. For n = 3, imagine a cube, taking one off the corner leaves you with the same n = 2 square case on one face, plus a block of (b^2)*(b-1), this block is also divisible by b-1. This can be extended to arbitrary n, where the 'block' will always be (b^(n-1))*(b-1), divisible by b-1.
@Nolys-bk4kd
@Nolys-bk4kd Ай бұрын
0:09 WTF I ALSO THOUGHT OF 17, why do people tend to pick prime numbers?!
@YourLocalMedic
@YourLocalMedic Ай бұрын
Probably because if you can break something it's probably with a prime number
@twojuiceman
@twojuiceman Ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, putting maths in an unusual context because it tells you something about how the formula was derived, was exactly the sort of thing you were arguing _against_ in your tau vs pi smackdown with Steve Mould lol. I'd love to see a tau vs pi rematch with the two of you
@hiccupwarrior89
@hiccupwarrior89 Ай бұрын
W pfp
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 Ай бұрын
Oh my Euler, you are ins4ne.
@Anonymous-df8it
@Anonymous-df8it Ай бұрын
It's on Numberphile
@9darkspells
@9darkspells Ай бұрын
the revelatory feeling of understanding I got out of this was so incredibly unique. Exactly the feeling that I always am seeking when working in math or programming.
@soyalguien335yt4
@soyalguien335yt4 Ай бұрын
Induction: b-1 divides (b^1) -1 = b-1 Let's assume b-1 divides (b^n)-1 = k b^(n+1) = b^n * b = (k+1) b = kb + b We need to prove b-1 divides b^(n+1)-1 = kb + b -1 And since b-1 divides k, b-1 divides kb, and b-1 divides b-1, we proved b-1 divides kb+ b+1 which equals to b^(n+1)-1
@hyperbaroque
@hyperbaroque Ай бұрын
Discrete Math ftw.
@ottertvmtg6229
@ottertvmtg6229 Ай бұрын
i picked b=900.1 it wasnt an integer, but it still worked
@enderyu
@enderyu Ай бұрын
No it doesn't work?
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 Ай бұрын
Nope, it doesn't. I think b has to be a natural number greater than 1.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 Ай бұрын
No, it does not still work. (900.1^2-1)/899.1 = 901.1. If it works the end result will be an integer.
@QuantumCurvature
@QuantumCurvature 15 күн бұрын
@@nathangamble125 But it IS an integer, so long as you are working in base 900.1, in which case the answer is 11.
@nickkirkpatrick396
@nickkirkpatrick396 Ай бұрын
This my friends, is a classic old school standup maths. Well done, Matt!
@robinsparrow1618
@robinsparrow1618 Ай бұрын
love the jab at amazon right at the end!
@adityavardhanjain
@adityavardhanjain Ай бұрын
This video is so cool. Need more of such short fun videos.
@palpatinewasright
@palpatinewasright Ай бұрын
I feel so pleased I worked this out while the video was running! I paused the video as requested, and tried this with b=10, saw lots of 99999s and had to leap from the bathtub and run down the street shouting "BASES! BASES! BASES!!"
@artemisSystem
@artemisSystem Ай бұрын
In the introductory logic course at my university, an exercise in the book is to prove 6^n-1 is divisible by 5, by induction on n. I discussed it with some other students and we realized it works for any base
@robertdarcy6210
@robertdarcy6210 Ай бұрын
Even better, (x^n - y^n) is divisible by x-y
@LeeSmith-cf1vo
@LeeSmith-cf1vo Ай бұрын
I love how intuitive the 2nd proof is (as long as you understand bases)
@platinummyrr
@platinummyrr Ай бұрын
Matt Parker: "Now, I don't think anyone's ever used base 440 before" Domotro: *exists*
@GroundThing
@GroundThing Ай бұрын
I know everyone hates polynomial long division, but it's incredibly simple if you use that, because after the first round you get b^(n-1)-1, then b^(n-2)-1, and as you go on, you'll eventually get down to b^1-1,which is obviously divisible by b-1.
@ianstopher9111
@ianstopher9111 26 күн бұрын
The first thing I did is divide (b^n-1) by (b-1), just like you are taught at school. Since it divides with no remainder, you know it is divisible. Then the obvious thing is just to write down how b^n-1 factorises as two polynomials, one of which is b-1. I quite like the geometric and base approaches as well.
@tttITA10
@tttITA10 Ай бұрын
Both of these proofs are so infuriatingly simple, I love it.
@mthielssalvo
@mthielssalvo Ай бұрын
Brilliant video - the first proof came to mind immediately but the second one blew me away! Just pre-ordered the book because trig is my favorite, and also because the UK cover is much better than the US cover. (That being said I do hope there's significant respect paid to our friend the unit circle!)
@Packbat
@Packbat Ай бұрын
I had to pause at 3:47 to process just how patently obvious the result just became. That's so good.
@mostshenanigans
@mostshenanigans Ай бұрын
I learned this in my number theory class, do I remember the proof without watching the video? No!
@keyem4504
@keyem4504 Ай бұрын
That's a great technique. Maybe it'll come handy for other stuff as well. Loving it.
@christopherwork9676
@christopherwork9676 28 күн бұрын
My approach was to rewrite b^n as ((b-1)+1)^n and look at binomial expansion using Pascal's Triangle. Treat (b-1) and 1 as the two terms in a binomial. b^n = (b-1)^n*1^0 + ....[several terms with some power of (b-1) in them]....+(b-1)^0*1^n So the +1 at the end is the only term in the binomial expansion without (b-1) as a factor. Subtracting 1 leaves only numbers divisible by (b-1). From here you can generalize it to (b^n-a^n)/(b-a) is a whole number. I love Pascal's Triangle for approaching problems where you want a generalization for any power. It can be used to prove the power rule for derivatives (for positive powers at least). The derivative of x^n can be found in the second number in the nth row of Pascal's Triangle if you do a binomial expansion of the numerator of lim as h->-0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h for f(x)=x^n and then cancel every remaining h.
@tszhin814
@tszhin814 Ай бұрын
I am so glad I stayed through this video. I was like yeah yeah yeah roots and stuff, then BAM! That was MAGNIFICENT❤
@phiefer3
@phiefer3 Ай бұрын
As others have pointed out, there are several other ways to prove this. One that I thought of is using modular arithmetic. If a=b-1, then b=a+1, which means that b is congruent to 1(mod a), and because you can multiply remainders this means that b^n is congruent to 1^n (mod a), or in other words b^n is 1 more than a multiple of a.
@felixmerz6229
@felixmerz6229 Ай бұрын
Woah, that's such a cool proof. So simple and approachable.
@amethystklintberg7436
@amethystklintberg7436 Ай бұрын
YEEEESSSS!!! Did you overhear my meeting with my academic supervisor a few months ago? This is so validating! I told him it’s so easy to see divisibility when you write the Mersenne number (2^mn)-1 in binary and then just look at the number! You can see so much by just looking at it! (The string of mn 1s is divisible by a string of n 1s, so the original is divisible by the smaller Mersenne number 2^n-1, and this is why a Mersenne number with a composite power can never be prime.) His reaction was that the difference of powers formula is an easier proof, and my immediate reaction was just 👀 Big lesson for me: translate concepts into what’s most familiar to my audience! And, in the academic community, that means translating my visuals into familiar formulas!
@alansmithee419
@alansmithee419 Ай бұрын
My thinking: You have a number b. This is of course 1 more than a multiple of b-1 (specifically 1 more than b-1 itself), which I will call A. If you multiply a number that is 1 more than a multiple of A by m, you get a number that is m more than a multiple of A, which if m is greater than A is also m mod A greater than a multiple of A. So if you multiply b by itself, you get a number b bigger than a multiple of A, so the resulting number must be b mod b-1 = 1 more than a multiple of A. If you multiple this by b you can go through the same logic as in the last step, and so on. So b^n is always 1 more than a multiple of b-1, or b^n-1 is divisible by b-1.
@cdsmithus
@cdsmithus Ай бұрын
Two more proofs: 1. Work in mod (b-1). b is congruent to 1, so b^n is congruent to 1^n, which is also 1. Since b^n is congruent to 1, b^n - 1 is congruent to 0, so it's divisible by b-1. 2. By induction on n. If n = 0, then b^0 - 1 = 0, which is divisibly by absolutely anything. But if b^(n-1) - 1 is divisible by b-1, then there's some a where b^(n-1) - 1 = (b-1) a, so b^n - 1 = (b - 1) b^(n-1) + (b^(n-1) - 1) = (b-1) b^(n-1) + (b-1) a = (b - 1) (b^(n-1) + a).
@dannysharpe6119
@dannysharpe6119 Ай бұрын
Great work Jess! I’ve just run my first marathon and looking for inspiration for what to do next. I think you’ve inspired me to have another go at running a sub 45 minute 10k. I was 12 seconds short at last year’s Run Norwich… so have my goal for this September! 🤞
@vincentlevarrick6557
@vincentlevarrick6557 Ай бұрын
This. *This* is my favourite comment on a maths video. 😁
@_notch
@_notch Ай бұрын
Oh wow, that second proof is incredible
@electricportals3644
@electricportals3644 Ай бұрын
b-1=a b^n-1=(a+1)^n-1 All terms in the polynomial have a as a factor therefore the number is divisible by a. I usually think of these problems using convenient bases but I found my method simpler
@EmilJ-gx3et
@EmilJ-gx3et Ай бұрын
By induction: 1. for n=1 the equasion holds true as b-1=0(mod b-1). 2.We need to show that If b^n -1 = 0 (mod b-1) then b^(n+1)=0 (mod b-1) Here is the proof: b^n-1=0(mod b-1)b^(n+1)-b=0(mod b-1)b^(n+1)-1=0(mod b-1)
@androidlogin3065
@androidlogin3065 Ай бұрын
Very beautifull proof, easy to do and obvious proof, just what i like the most. But not so easy to think on it, without any external help.
@bigjukebox3370
@bigjukebox3370 Ай бұрын
what a neat way to look at the problem!
@ThaOnlyHatman
@ThaOnlyHatman Ай бұрын
I thought about it before you started explaining and came up with this: a = b-1 b^n = a*b^(n-1) + b^(n-1) b^5 = a*b^4 + b^4 b^4 = a*b^3 + b^3 b^3 = a*b^2 + b^2 b^2 = a*b + b b^1 = a*b^0 + b^0 = 1 We see that the rest we get when dividing b^n with b-1 is ultimately 1. Therefore removing 1 from the original b^n will give us a number divisible by b-1. Hope this makes sense!
@andrewdenne6943
@andrewdenne6943 Ай бұрын
another interseting way you can prove it (It might be the same method and I just got confused) is to start with a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b then change the start to a 1 1+a^1+a^2+...+a^b=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b then move it over and factorise (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))a=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b-1 (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))a-1(a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))=a^b-1 (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))(a-1)=a^b-1 a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1)=(a^b-1)/(a-1) you get the original equation the cool thing about doing it this way is you can also do if you start with a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)=a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc) and do the same process 1+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)=a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc) (a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))a^c=a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)-1 (a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))a^c-(a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+abc-c)=a^(bc)-1 (a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))(a^(c)-1)=a^(bc)-1 a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c)=(a^(bc)-1)/(a^(c)-1)
@namkromh6381
@namkromh6381 Ай бұрын
I love this. As soon as I heard base B, I knew where it was all going. Lovely
@agargamer6759
@agargamer6759 Ай бұрын
Love a short simple video like this that still contains a nice "aha" moment!
@RexxSchneider
@RexxSchneider Ай бұрын
Surely if you consider b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1, and multiply it by (b-1), you get (b^n + b^(n-1) + ... + b^3 + b^2 + b) - (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1). It should be pretty clear that the expression collapses to b^n - 1 since all the other terms are both added and subtracted. So (b-1)(b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1) = b^n - 1. A rather trivial result, IMHO.
@MartyR-nm8nf
@MartyR-nm8nf 18 күн бұрын
3:45 s'all about dat base 'bout dat base no treble
@thecodemachine
@thecodemachine Ай бұрын
This is easy to visualize. Create a square, of b^2 dots, remove one dot, and you can reform that shape into a rectangle with one side of b - 1 dots. This works in all higher dimensions.
@LukeNAndo
@LukeNAndo Ай бұрын
Wow I love that! The initial proof confirms to me that it works, but the second proof shows me how it works!
@adamluhring2482
@adamluhring2482 Ай бұрын
The n=2 & n=3 cases have a very satisfying visual proof for this.
@BrettDalton
@BrettDalton Ай бұрын
Love it... That is beyond elegant
@divVerent
@divVerent Ай бұрын
My favorite way is still rephrasing with a substitution a=b-1: b^n - 1 = 0 (mod b-1) (a+1)^n - 1 = 0 (mod a) At this point you either know modular arithmetics, replace by 1^n - 1 = 0 (mod a) - or you don't, and you expand that power into a^n + whatever a^(n-1) + ... + whatever a + 1 where all the whatevers are binomial coefficients, and you are done too.
@marcvanleeuwen5986
@marcvanleeuwen5986 Ай бұрын
The most standard way to test divisibility by m it to compute modulo m. And indeed working modulo b-1 we just get 1^n-1=0, which is even more trivial than your base b approach. Also you might recall the formula for the geometric series 1+b+b^2+...+b^{n-1} = (b^n-1)/(b-1) which implies this divisibility.
@arandomdiamond2
@arandomdiamond2 Ай бұрын
I went ahead and tried it myself geometrically before watching this video. Obviously I can't imagine more than 3 dimensions but I can take a length of boxes and make a square or cube out of them. Then I reframe b as a=b-1 and then the question becomes "Why does squaring or cubing a+1 then subtracting 1 leave a mass that is divisible by a?" That way, I can see the original square from a and then the extra bits at the ends from the a+1 and of course there is always an extra box in a corner that doesn't fit in the other sections. And with that understanding, I can easily prove this for higher dimensions too.
@arandomdiamond2
@arandomdiamond2 Ай бұрын
Actually same idea as the second proof, we even both reframed as a too.
@Akolyx
@Akolyx Ай бұрын
OK, I was surprised by the title, but the proof! That's very cool! I don't know any other example of using every number as a base for solving a problem, so that makes it much cooler. Might want to try giving this as an exercise in understanding the bases.
@ktkrelaxedscience
@ktkrelaxedscience 27 күн бұрын
Awesome. 😃 Sharing it at once. 👍
@thentoxd
@thentoxd Ай бұрын
I literally tried this problem yesterday from the Stanford Maths Problem book, and the next day BANG a video from the man himself.
@jacemandt
@jacemandt Ай бұрын
My favorite proof that the (positive) rational numbers are countable also involves a change of base: Clearly the natural numbers map 1-1 to subset of the positive rationals (that subset being just themselves!), so we're done if we can prove that the rationals also map 1-1 to a subset of the natural numbers. Obtain that map as follows: By definition, every rational number can be written uniquely as p/q in lowest terms, with p and q being integers. So write the number that way on paper. Then re-imagine that string of symbols as a number in base 11, with the "slash" being the symbol for "10". Then that string represents a unique natural number to map the rational number to, which is exactly what we needed.
@NeoJackBauer
@NeoJackBauer Ай бұрын
Love this!
@wiggles7976
@wiggles7976 Ай бұрын
Maybe there is another mathematics lesson to be had here. We used the fact that in any base b, there is a unique representation of any integer as a linear combination of powers of the base where the scalars can only be anything from 0 to b - 1. (Why aaaaaaa? What about 123a125a9 or any other notation? You can't just assume b^n - 1 can be written as aaaaaaa.) We do take it for granted all the time in base ten, but now we see why we may want to look at the fundamentals and be grounded in rigor. When base systems were first devised, they didn't know every integer had a unique representation until they proved it.
@chiproush7480
@chiproush7480 Ай бұрын
love the switch to base b. Elegant! Also, please tell us about the cool shirt you're wearing. There's gotta be some maths going on there, yes?
@dbrunnermusic
@dbrunnermusic Ай бұрын
There's a geometric proof too. It's hard to describe in words because it's geometric, but I'll give it a go. If it sounds complex in the general case, picture it with n=3. Let's start by defining a "nibbled hypercube". Start with an n-dimensional hyper-cube with side length b. Take a little bite out of one corner - a hyper-cube with side length 1. The volume of this is just the volume of the original cube, minus the volume of the nibble, i.e. b^n - 1. Now, on a face which touches the nibbled bit, shave off a width 1 slice of the hyper-cube. Since it has width 1, the volume of this slice is the same as the (n-1)-dimensional volume of the "face" of the slice. And that face is an (n-1) dimensional nibbled hypercube. Its volume is b^(n-1) - 1, and by our inductive hypothesis, that is divisible by b-1. Having shaved a width-1 slice off our original nibbled cube, what we're left with is a hyper-rectangle. The side perpendicular to the slice has length b-1, so the volume of this is also divisible by b-1. Since we've shown that an n-dimensional nibbled hypercube can be broken into a two shapes whose volumes are both divisible by 1, we know that the it's total volume, i.e. b^n 1, is divisible by n-1.
@dbrunnermusic
@dbrunnermusic Ай бұрын
PS I didn't start by thinking in n-dimensions, I'm not a genius! I started in 2-d, then thought about 3-d, and fortunately that was enough to see how the generalisation would work :)
@MitchBurns
@MitchBurns Ай бұрын
I literally figured this out very recently when trying to fall asleep at night. Figuring out things like this is my version of counting sheep.
@saavyk1264
@saavyk1264 Ай бұрын
That second method was just beautiful. Beautiful. Wow.
@Wielorybkek
@Wielorybkek Ай бұрын
wow, really cool proof! my first thought was that obviously it comes from how polynomials work but then the "base b" proof was so much nicer and made more intuitive sense
@DorFuchs
@DorFuchs Ай бұрын
I thought of the partial sums of the geometric series: 1 + b + b^2 + ... + b^(n-1) = (b^n - 1) / (b - 1)
@helleye311
@helleye311 Ай бұрын
Not surprised by the fact, for a while I've been aware that b^n-1 expands to (b-1)(a0b^n-1 + a1b^n-2+...) where a0, a1 etc are numbers in the pascal triangle at nth row (or maybe n-1th, I'm a programmer, off by one, who cares) I did not see the "think of it in base b" solution though. That's really a simple yet beautiful piece of maths.
@bobthegiraffemonkey
@bobthegiraffemonkey Ай бұрын
As a speedcuber and having solved 4d and 5d cubes, i very quickly understood it geometrically. Very closely related to the second proof. Helped that i picked 6 which is small and easy to visualise.
@TomLeg
@TomLeg 28 күн бұрын
Excellent!
@ivan_dramaliev
@ivan_dramaliev Ай бұрын
Here's a quick proof by induction: Assume b^n-1 is divisible by b-1, i.e. b^n-1 = x(b-1) for some integer x. Then b^(n+1)-1 = b ⋅ b^n - 1 = b ⋅ b^n - b + b - 1 = b(b^n-1) + (b-1) = bx(b-1) + (b-1) = (bx+1)(b-1), i.e. it's also divisible by b-1.
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