God, why does this make me cry...some of these people are objectively bad people, yet the ways they died are sometimes horrific or just outright sad.

@@kyokyodisaster4842 they live by the sword , they will die by the sword .

@@kyokyodisaster4842 and its better than being fade away from the history books.

@@kyokyodisaster4842 Nobody hates more bitterly than family, I guess...

@@kyokyodisaster4842 I can relate.

Secret DLC character anyone?

Nah Natural Causes killed more, definitely want my hand on this legendary general

We guess there was a plague across China across 220 and 221 as many died during those years

The only madlad who can top him for total kill count is Cao Cao.

Pre modern medicine, you were lucky to make it past childbirth. In fact, even the mother was lucky to survive childbirth. Childbirth was one of the biggest killers right up until the 20th century. Even something as small as an infected nail could mean death. But people had much stronger immune systems back then, as they were constantly exposed to lots of different germs and parasites and viruses. But still, death was common for all ages. Thank god for antibacterial soap and penicillin.

And a video game ;)

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Wait really, 😂😂, where is this source of this

*Zhang Liao in his death bed* "gg ezy"

BEST BRO'S EVER... Xiahou Dun and Cao Cao survived so much together.

@@kyokyodisaster4842 and xiahou yuan!

He was one heck of a cousin.

Sun Quan may not have been as heroic as his brother, may not have been as smart as Cao Cao, or as overall goodheaded as Liu Bei. But he proves again and again that he is a trooper, and survived all the horror of the era, outliving them all.

@@kyokyodisaster4842 With him leading Wu on the offense they were a rat, but with him leading wu on the defense they were a dragon!

Nice

finally my boy has a good ending😭

Thanks for the the explanation dude.

He quite while he was ahead, and had a head.

Unfortunately his two sons got dragged into Wei's brutal war with Wu and Shu

To be fair this is Zhang Liao the game wasn't messing around when it gave him a badass title.

@@Mattulaak to be honest for all he did in real life i believe his character is srly underpower

@@fredericosantos1596 Absolutely

and look at his smile xD

Arthur Morgan: finally a worthy opponent

Usually when I think about the Three Kingdoms I always lament about how Liu Bei seemed to have suffered the most and gained the least. But Wei was overthrown by the Sima clan and Wu kept being mediocre until its demise. The truer tragedy is how these few decades of strife resulted in nothing lasting, except for the heroism of the warlords and soldiers.

descendents of confucious be like that.

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Also worth noting quite a few of them dying of sickness are in the southern climate where, presumably, malaria would have been an endemic danger. It's estimated that malaria has killed -at least half- maybe 5-6% of all of the ~109 billion humans who have ever lived in the history of our species. Pretty sobering thought. Edit: probably should have double checked my sources. still, that's a lotta dead people

@@Narfwak 5/6% is still no joke at all, damn

That's a popular Chinese cliche that's given as a reason of death to highlight their devotion to a specific cause or person, or that their failure has shamed them to death. The reality is often less dramatic. They most likely fell ill and died.

​@@dinerenblancc To be fair, if you were to led thousands of soldiers to their death and had to watch everything up close, you would probably fell so depressed that dying of guilt and grief wouldn't be so strange.

@@dinerenblancc Although I agree with the idea, is also not rare that someone that is depressed or under severe stress develops a strong illness since the body is not really fighting to stop the illness, I´m not a medic, but if you look for it, you will find what I´m saying in more professional terms.

PTSD or shellshock. Depression and imbalance brain chemistry

​​@@KrafanioBasically the mind decides the war or external danger is more important than a small virus. So the immune system stops getting the signal to keep producing antibodies. As to use the resources to stop a sword to face right now than a virus in two days. This makes the virus, bacteria,etc. more effective and the body has an imbalance creating tumors,cancer,tics ,spams,personality changes

Zhuge Liang scare the shit out of Sima Yi in the afterlife.

Feel he kinda is under appreciated in total war 3k , but still , was awesome

Zhuge Liang is slightly older than Liu Xie, born near the end of 180AD according to some source, while the Emperor was born in 181AD. Though the conspiracy theory is out there, say Zhuge Liang might be the Emperor. And the one left in the palace is a replacement puppet by Cao Cao.

Fun and fictional lol

gongsun zan(leader)+lubu(heir)+xu chu(prime minister) makes mad man cav it desimates everything gongsun zan 200 instict (1 man army,he has roar of beast, he just makes a whole army flee mostly without a fight) (he is close to lubu, but his armor reduces some of this expertise, ) lubu reaches 200 instinct (1 man army) and xu chu just kills generals like troops (i think he can reach 200 resolve, i won before he could reach 200 resolve)

@@ylyl1735 sun quan and liu bei may not be a great leader like cao cao. But they had some of the most competent generals in their faction. Like Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang

The Hypothetical Scenario for Wei in DW8 shows that winning Red Cliffs assures Wei's reunification of China

@@lhy8373 Just goes to show that the leader plays a huge part. Even skilled generals under bad leaders couldn't do much. Cao Cao once lamented that Guan Yu had everything - courage, skill, respect, honour and fame, but lacked a leader who could really make him excel.

Cao Cao had the best chance of ending the turmoil that was ravaging China and causing massive death tolls and widespread suffering. Then you had Liu Bei using his claim to emperorship as an excuse to war when the Han clearly failed the people. Other leaders were trying to seize their chances and fight for power as well. Horrible time and place to be alive.

@@abad-enoughdude._.3919 Had Liu Bei and Ma Chao stayed loyal to Wei things would have been different The Battle of Red Cliffs would have happen earlier and be a very decisive Wei victory

Thats Cao fams for you. They known with their harems.

Their is legend that Cao Pi tried to have suicide order recesinded but the letter came to late

Don't forget the cao family and tgeir oenchant for other man wife lol

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Kinda don’t want all my 3 major generals that I have been grooming since the beginning of the game to die randomly

I really wish there was some sort of trait inheritance system or something. As it is right now, generics inheriting only makes the game significantly less interesting, so I keep timeless on.

Ambition is the root of suffering, but also the root of fame. Be it renown or infamy.

totally agree with you Wei Yan probably could of done it

You honor your dead prime minister's wishes before you put yourself first. As wang ping said, "His Excellency had just died and his body had yet to turn cold, and now you dare to do something like this!"

He literally set the plank roads on fire to prevent the rest of the army returning home while trying to be the first one to send a messenger to the court to claim his loyalty and denounce Yang Yi and the rest of the entire army as rebels. He definitely wanted to rebel, and he put the entirety of the army at risk from being trapped between the Wei forces and no where else to march to in order to try and force their hand. It was a good thing Ma Dai killed him and prevented this from happening.

@@MisterKisk he knew the moment the news zhuge liang's death arrives at chengdu, all officials will force ah dou to retreat the army and to never again resume the expedition even though zhuge liang's will was to continue the duty after him. He would probably divert and build a staging base in the west of mount qi as he offered a plan to ZL before to reroute there. Basically, it's also ZL's own fault for under-using wei yan as he always held him back in the final days. Under-appreciated and always gaslighted by ZL, wei yan really got done dirty. considering the eunuchs opportunity during ZL death. Imagine him and jiang wei cooperate together, Deng ai and guo huai would never even set to invade shu without sima yi always near them.

@@BenRover2961 Zhuge Liang was the one who ordered the army was to retreat once he died and stated that Wei Yan was to be left behind if he refused. Wei Yan was rebelling with the actions he took in order to prevent the army from doing so. It was not Yang Yi or any of the other officials who endangered the entire state by cutting off the army's retreat to Hanzhong (thus putting them at risk of utter destruction if Wei were to actually attack), and they were not the ones to lead men against any other officer of the state. Wei Yan was the one who did that. Nobody sided with Wei Yan in his memorials and even his own retinue did not side with him, and Wei Yan was said to have been quite generous and treated them well. He was a rebel. He was not intending to overthrow Liu Shan or side with Wei or anything like that, but his actions were one of treason. He put the army in danger of destruction. If even his own retinue deserts him because of that, how can anyone say he did not act in rebellion?

I've seen Xu Shu maybe twice while not playing as Liu Bei, they still spawn.

@@bw1678 The other day I saw Xu Shu leading the Looters faction haha

@@DirkLasermaster That... I didn't know was possible. Though looters do have Han generals so I guess why not haha.

Looters have "zombie" generals too with generals who shouldve died before 200 leading them.

Xu Shu appears in my Liu Bei campaign after an event to serve me for a year later, to leave me and go to Cao Cao for blackmail. In his description tells he was a great swordsman in his youngness

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One of the many reasons he is deified now.

Guan Yu was like Dian Wei and Gan Ning, originated from a bandit/ criminal background

@@XuerLi and why does that matter to this conversation?

Nuance is important as well. He killed a local bully that wouldn't stop, well, being a bully. And it was an accident. Considering how little it was used against him later in life it's clear it was nothing more than that.

Just goes to show sometimes it doesn't matter if your the winner or the loser, history will remember you.

@@SuperBubbleduck one way or another

@@SuperBubbleduck unless you are something romans came across lol

since China has a tradition of detailed writing system,

@@Emilechen mycountry doesn't have that , instead of well documentwd history we have semi-folkloric tales

There’s a story I think maybe from the Romance itself where the ghost of Guan Yu possesses and kills Lu Meng then haunts Cao Cao. He’s called out on it by some spirit I think and then makes peace with having died. Kinda shit for Lu Meng though, guy was just serving his lord and avenging his friend.

​@@ShaunTripp He gets a lot of hate because he went through with the vile actions of wu but when capturing jing he showed mercy to many soldiers working for guan yu/not harming their families/not raping them or plundering the cities and killed some of his men who not unlike guan yu took away supplies from locals by force.

@@SuperBubbleduck In their old age, you can see the generals of shu losing their virtue and succumb to arrogance and pride.

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Here in Vietnam, Shi Xie is considered one of the few recorded Chinese governor who was well respected by local Vietnamese, it was also in his time that the first vietnameses were accepted to work as government officials. In fact, and there are still temples venerating him today and some later historians even coined him as "King Shi".

Eyes like raisins pushed in dough

Although the epic rap battle is indeed perfect, he sadly died before the rap battle happened historically.

Are the so-called "all these people" in the room with us right now? 🧐

Sadly, Zhong Hui had the audacity to execute his son. Zhong Hui were lucky Xu Chu and Cao Cao had passed many years ago.

If I recall correctly, that's just the Romance version. The real history has him just leaving Liu Bei out of dissatisfaction and disillusionment from his cause and he serves Cao Cao instead.

​@@Torag55No, the Romance story about Xu Shu was supported by the two main historical books about the era: San Guo Zhi and Zhi Zhi Tong Jian. Only the mother suicide part was not true.

There was also an element of "I wasn't at fault, I just wasn't advised correctly" in what Cao Cao said. Like in one of the TV series, Xun Yu commented that Cao Cao "knows the mistake, fixes the mistake, but never admits making the mistake". Guo Jia was brilliant before his death but there was no guarantee that Cao Cao would have listened to him had he been alive.

I just find his life interesting as he inherited wu relatively young, with the help of able generals and ministers he built a empire, even if he himself was not the greatest general or the smartest official, he seemed to understand that talent was important and seemed to almost find the right person for the job, he listened to his advisors for the most part and managed to build up the southern lands. Despite his disastrous defeats when he himself was out on the field, and the fact that he was kinda a crazed bumbling alcoholic near the end of his reign, he still remains my favorite Three kingdoms character.

Sun Quan feels the most ‘real’ out of the leaders of the time. He also imo had a huge amount of PTSD and honestly possibly dementia with how he acted towards the end.

Not only friend and Comrades. But his siblings as well. If my memories were right he is the 2nd child from all Sun Jian's children. But here the sad part, He's the only one who died because of natural cause or sickness. The other is either die young, die on battle, killed because some conspiracy etc. None of his legitimate siblings live as long as him. He's the only one who survived and passed on the age 70. Imagine, as the 2nd child and all of your younger siblings didn't even alive on your deathbed. Some said he start to become a little bit mad, that is why the later part of his reign he makes some ill advised choices.

@@rizalalbar well Sun Ren at least seem to have lived a long life. Last we heard of her is the Liu Shan kidnapping event and she was alive back then

@@rizalalbar His two younger brothers died around 20 (a fun fact that he actually outlived the lives of the sum of his big brother and two younger brothers

Eh, many people give Ma Chao crap for fighting Cao Cao, however honestly does anyone think that Cao Cao was being honest when he told them that he was just going to march his massive army through their lands to take Han Zhong? If Ma Chao did nothing he would have been easily beaten my Cao Cao, at least by attacking first he stood a chance. As history showed us his chance was not much :-p

Or rather Ma Chao’s lack of morals.

I assume they are designed to help sit steady on horseback.

Fun fact: Fa Zheng was liu bei's favorite and took advantage of this with bringing down the hammer on his rivals(he was very, very vindictive).

It's there, but it doesn't really do much. Just reduces a besieged city's food supply by event. Then it's just gone once the city is captured or the siege broken. Shame. I like your idea. It reminds me of the sanitation mechanic in Attila, as the squalor from buildings and city can eventually give way to diseases that affect both the city and the armies in vicinity.

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same with Fa Zheng, if he had stayed alive Shu might've actually been successful long term.

So Ma Yingjiu’s family claims to be related to Ma Yuan who was a famous Han general. And Ma Chao’s branch also claims to be related to Ma Yuan. But Ma Chao’s branch were from Liang Province and Ma Yingjiu’s ancestors were a branch from the Hunan (think Changsha area) so they might be related or trace to a common ancestor say 2000 years ago but they were not descendants of each other

Considering his history that wouldn't something to be proud of

Impossible to trace, Ma is a very common surname throughout China with dozens of origins, and most Chinese clan books are unreliable and have done some fabrications during Ming and Qing dynasties to glorify their ancestral roots

Just like a medic in games. They can revive the other, but not themselves

@@rizalalbar Ironic

Being besieged and losing the war you started does affect your health

I think CA saw a character named He Man and wanted to make a meme character lol

I mean, he did kick the ass of 100000 wu soldiers with only...800!!

Lu Zhi would have defeated/killed Zhang Jue had it not been for the corrupt eunuchs

@@Doragonkuraudo Very happy Yuan Shao put an end to those eunuchs', shame it took the death of he jin to do it.

I mean it contributed but he didn’t die right away after the defeat and had a year or so before dying. He even signed a peace deal with Sun Quan during that time so I don’t think depression is the best term

@@SeriousTrivia I thought one of the main reason he got depressed and died was because he caused his own expedition army to be 全军覆没. Since he set up his camp surrounded by a forest, and the enemy literally set the forest and the entire camp on fire.

Not surprising from a man who read The Art of War, wrote his own commentary on it, and made it his MO in the battlefield and in the Wei court. Which in hindsight actually means that Cao Cao's playstyle requires you to know The Art of War and apply those lessons as you play.

Had Gao Shun done that perhaps Wei could have reunified China instead of Jin

you can also try timeless mode if you want to just have a deathless experience

@@SeriousTrivia I know, but I think this kind of realism should be part of the game, even if it could mess with the strategy.

They paid for it with an ass whooping of astronomical proportions by the sima clan.

It’s the motif for Zhuge Liang from the 1994 Three Kingdoms TV series. It’s called 卧龙吟