As several Hearthstone players have correctly pointed out, I didn't quite explain some of Shudderwock's properties correctly/fully. While an "infinite loop" didn't occur precisely as I described, it was still possible with the combination of Grumble, Worldshaker, Saronite Chain Gang, and Murmuring Elemental. If you'd like to learn precisely how all of it worked, there are plenty of in-depth articles that can explain it (and the rest of the card game) in great detail. Feel free to Google something like "How The Shudderwock Combo Works". Don't listen to some filthy casual like me.

Magic turn 1: I play a forest and pass Pokemon turn 1: play a pikachu pass Hearthstone turn 1: pass Yugioh: **INHALES**

"Would you want to sit through a half hour game that you know you're going to lose?" *League of Legends players laughing in the distance*

Dont worry, Yu-Gi-Oh is at least as broken today as then

you know the saying "it's not a bug, it's a feature"? well I have to say that things like shudderwock are basically the most evil version of this. things like catapult turtle were likely an accident the first time around, but it's not exactly a secret that companies who make these games create cards like that on purpose. then they charge you a lot of money to get them, they sit for a few months while everyone saves up to buy this new card that is basically the best in the game and the only way to win in the current meta, then they act like they are responding to complaints about how broken the game is and they nerf the card. rinse and repeat until nobody can play the game like they used to and the only players left are the ones that love going up against people with basically the exact same deck and continually shell out money so they can be the first ones to climb to the top of the ranks by having the new card before anyone else.

Current YuGiOh: What do you mean you guys reach turn 10?

MY JAWS THAT BITE! MY CLAWS THAT CATCH! MY TURN THAT LASTS THE ENTIRE MATCH!

I love when he says "Deal with it" when talking about card games

That purple pip on the back of the Magic card broke me.

Austin: "I spent over 70 dollars to get this card." Also Austin: "I quit the game 2 days after, and have never played it since."

I prefer card games on motorcycles

"What happens when card games break?" *_"I don't know, you broke them. You can't play them anymore."_*

Well... Now we have The Demon Seed, so... I miss Shudderwock really much for that card. For the guys that don't play Hearthstone, The Demon Seed is a 1 mana card that always starts in your hand. Usually using a deck that goes around it makes you win at turn 5, an insane thing for the Hearthstone's standards.

2018 Shudderwock: I can make this match last 30 minutes! 2019 Control Warrior: Huh, only 30 minutes?

As a casual scrub who's never made it past Rank 10 since Classic, a couple things: 1. It is possible to have a Shudderwock without dropping $60+ on packs through the dust mechanic (though it's still pricy as hell - 1600 dust doesn't just pop out of nowhere). I assume you just wanted to get the point across of Shudderwock being valuable enough to burn money on, but it's prudent to let people know this stuff. 2. When a Shudderwock is copied, the copy's Battlecry doesn't go off. You have to actually play the card for it to go off. (I assume you said it like this just to get the point across to people who don't play HS, but it's a nitpick that means enough when considering things such as mana costs and hand size.) 3. As you have addressed, Blizzard has exponentially raised the animation times on Shudderwock specifically to combat this problem. However, you're not completely locked into a never-ending cycle of animations - forfeiting (which you probably will have to do, since if Shudderwock goes off, it's probably too late) cancels all animations and immediately ends the game. 4. This video also kinda understates the fact that Shudderwock is a very late game card, as not only do you have to play it (turn 9 minimum), you must also get the full combo of Lifedrinker/Saronite/Grumble (which means drawing and playing one of each by themselves) and - this is a key thing people miss - getting the order of the Battlecries to line up as Saronite -> Grumble (this point is a bit moot with Murmuring, but it's important, because it's possible for the combo to actually fail in this case). In the time that you spend getting the combo ready, you need to also dodge and deal with all your opponent's threats (and this is the expansion when Baku Hunter became a thing - hello, turn 4 lethal - and Taunt Druid was unleashed - aka, more armor [bonus Life to non-HS players] than freaking Control Warrior). Just some points that I felt should've been touched upon, if only for the sake of rounding out the video. Shudderwock, while it is annoying as hell and unfun when you're on the receiving end of it, isn't exactly the pinnacle of OTK lockout decks in Hearthstone (that would be Freeze/Quest Mage, Miracle and Quest Rogue, Patron Warrior, Deathrattle Hunter, Razakus Priest, and Cubelock, all of which got nerfed pretty hard). Good video, hope to see more. :) Oh yeah, almost forgot: M Y J A W S T H A T B I T E M Y C L A W S T H A T C A T C H Edit: Made sure to note that all the unfun decks got nerfed hard, but forgot to mention that Cubelock is more manageable now, due to recent patch.

Here's the change to Shutterwock that I would make to avoid the infinite loop: When it duplicates a battlecry that says "duplicate this card" it should duplicate the other card, not Shutterwock.

I think that the ability for developers to react to and fix problems with their games as they arise after publishing is a really great thing, but it also promotes the idea that you don't actually have to finish the game before you send it out. Another thing that makes some games still so loved after all this time is that they have glitches and bugs that can be exploited for whatever reason, but that's not a thing with modern games because devs will remove glitches if they don't like them. It would just be nice to not wonder what your game is going to be.

“Who would want to play a 30 minute game that you know your gonna lose?” Tf2 players: laughs in aimbot

"This video is about card games" More like "This video is about hearth stone

When Magic started experiencing a slew of bans in Standard this year, I immediately thought back to this video, as thanks to the pandemic, Standard is now played exclusively on Magic Arena. And on Arena, your cards are not physical goods. They can't be traded or sold. They can't even be dusted like the ones in Hearthstone. The only compensation the devs give you is wild cards of equal rarity to the cards that were banned. But what about all the other rare cards that synergized with it that WEREN'T banned, and are now powerless? Players essentially have no choice but to start their collections over again. It's not an unsolvable conundrum, but it lays bare the dubious economics underlying lootbox-style monetization of digital card games to those who may not have done the math beforehand, or were too invested in the game to care. It's the reason games like this are starting to draw the attention of lawmakers in some countries as they brush up against anti-gambling regulations.

I was about to leave the video and then I saw that it had 40k dislikes, tf? I'm legit so confused.

Surely that's not how the game actually works. _- checks the comments -_ No, that's really not how the game works.

I'm pretty sure most kids who collected Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Magic The Gathering cards when I was in elementary/middle school only _collected_ the cards, and didn't know how to play the games.

One of my favorite infinites of all time in PTCG was Dialga GX in Expanded. For people who don't know, Pokemon GX have a GX attack that is essentially once per game. Keyword: essentially. In Cosmic Eclipse, the set introduced Misty and Lorelei, where if you discard cards from your hand, your Water Pokemon GX can use their GX attack again, which essentially can lead to an infinite if you do it turn after turn. So, Dialga GX's GX attack deals a bunch of damage, and, wait for it... LET'S YOU HAVE ANOTHER TURN. So make Dialga Water type with a Vaporeon, and if you're lucky (you have to flip a coin for M+L), you win the game. It is stupid and fun, and is obviously why Dialga is banned.

Shudderwock was the greatest hearthstone card ever printed and I won't hear otherwise. I made a deck that filled people's decks with weasels and it was beautiful.

"Do you wanna sit thorough a half hour game that you know you're going to lose" Well I play LOL PVP so.... yeah

In my tabletop card game group, we have infinite combos a couple times a day, they're actually hilarious and fun to watch, basically what we do is explain how it's infinite, and explain that we win.

I remember when I was a kid I had a white dragon deck with blue eyes and I gently put a face down monster and a trap card and ended my turn so my friend had a pendulum deck and he summoned 3 monsters of 3000 attack and that negated all the effects of my cards and still dealt piercing damage. It was frustrating. And what did we learn from that? if you don't win, appeal with them or buy the most appealing deck you find.

There’s another game that’s been broken called cardfight vanguard with a. Deck type called Kagero. When certain cards are used it’s essentially a one hit k.o.

THAT IS NOT HOW SHUDDERWOCK WORKS! The copy's battlecry wont trigger, as it isnt played from your hand

So many things wrong on this video... 5:00 - You don't need to spend that much money to get a Legendary. You can just use Arcane Dust to get it. You get Arcane Dust by discarding cards you don't want. Then you can spend that Dust to create any card you want. (Of course, the cost of creating a card is more expensive than what you would get by discarding it. But I won't get too deep into the explanation or the values and costs of each rarity.) So, in the worst case scenario, if you were to buy packs, and discard every single card, and you only received cards with the least possible value (a.k.a. 1 rare and 4 commons per pack) you would have the Dust to get a legendary of your choice in 40 packs. Oh, and a Bonus: you can play this game for free. I'm a free-to-play player and I crafted a Shudderwock after the release. And I have a deck with him. It's not that hard. 7:00 - The copy's battlecry DOES NOT trigger. Battlecry is a mechanic that activates as the card is PLAYED from your hand. Not when it's SUMMONED in any other way. The copies' battlecries DO trigger if they are sent back to hand and played accordingly, which is the whole point of the deck (Saronite Chain Gang + Grumble, Worldshaker). But for that you need mana, or you need to wait for the next turn to play 10 Shudderwocks (each one costing 1 because of Grumble). The turn you play it you can only play 2 Shudderwocks: the first one costing 9 mana and a second one costing 1. 11:15 - Whenever Blizzard nerfs a card, they give you full refund for that card in Arcane Dust. Remember when I said you spend more Dust creating a card than you would get discarding it? For a few weeks after the nerf, anyone that discards the nerfed card will get the full value. That means if you spent Dust creating said card, you get that Dust back, and if you opened it randomly in a Booster, you get to choose any other card of the same rarity for you to create. It's like a Magic Card was banned and Wizards of the Coast said: "If you give us this card that costs 15 dollars, we give you 15 dollars to buy any other cards you want". However, this, unfortunately, didn't happen with Shudderwock, because the changes shown at 10:49 weren't considered nerfs by Blizzard, since they didn't change the power level of the card in any way, they just sped up the animation. (I would disagree and say the new maximum of 20 Battlecries was a nerf. But I'm saying how Blizzard saw it.) If it was indeed a nerf by Blizzard's eyes, we would have received full refund as usual.

The only thing card companies can do when their card game breaks, is to either fix the pack it was included in and nerf/remove that card and replace it. The only other thing that can happen is if the community agrees that that card cannot be played at all in competitive battles. The thing is opposite in online games. The company can easily just nerf the card Willy nilly. I have no idea what my point is here.

I think it a fundamental flaw of all trading card games, that they will break eventually. The publisher always want to make new cards and they will always be (slightly) better than the last to encourage players to buy them. Over time not only get the cards stronger, they usually get more complex and since there are more and more cards overall, the numbers of interaction and combo-possibilities gets exponentially more complex. So sooner or later all trading card games would break, thats why we have ban/forbidden lists. For Yugioh in particular: It lacks a gatekeeping resource. In the past this resource was "time" as you needed to draw your card from you deck and you were limited in your summons per turn. Nowadays you deck is pretty much completly accessible at turn1, special summon is more common than normal summon and your GY, ExtraDeck and even your (face-up) banish stack are extensions of your hand. The thing that actually stops your FTKs are hand-traps in your opponents hand, which are more or less obligatory.

I PLAY POT OF GREED. IT ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO CARDS FROM MY DECK.

As a regular Hearthstone player, I feel like this video isn't really providing the whole story on Shudderwock. Regardless of the misinformation at 7:03 (You need to individually play each Shudderwock for multiple effects of its Battlecry, Saronite Chain Gang alone will not do that), there is also the fact that even though this seemingly impossible to beat combo existed, it wasn't a very good deck when it first released. The combo simply was too slow to assemble for it to gain any leeway, and the deck was actually rarely played for quite a while. Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't frustrating to play against, but the card wasn't necessarily broken, it simply was unfun due to the nature of animations in Hearthstone. If the card didn't have any animations at the time, it would have been a completely fine card. Also, the "nerf" it then received didn't change how the card worked except for very fringe cases and for speeding up the animation speed. Nowadays Shudderwock decks are in a pretty healthy spot tbh. They have good and bad matchups, and while their power level may still need to be tuned, they don't come even close to breaking the game. There are cards and combos that can break a card game, and while Shudderwock may have appeared to do so, it still was a pretty balanced card for the game.

I remember the Black Lotus combo in MTG as well as Omanyte from Pokemon being banned for causing a hand to be shown all the time. Pokemon had others, too, like Sneasel's Beat Up, Blastoise Rain Dance, The mistranslation of Slow King in English cards vs the Japanese cards.

There are so many mistakes in this video, wow.

hey austin i like your videos a lot but there are a lot of things i think you should have fact checked in this video. shudderwock was described incorrectly, and you declined to mention how blizzard refunds nerfed cards. it feels like you ripped on hearthstone unnecessarily without enough research. idk maybe i'm just too defensive about a game i've spent way too much money on :/

“I can’t believe things like this still happen years later” Firewall Dragon much?

Reminds me of when magic the Gathering arena crashed because of the infinite polyraptor. In summary, there was a card called forerunner of the empire. When it was on the field, it could make any dinosaur take one damage. It could also send a dinosaur to the top of the deck, so you would draw it next turn The dinosaur polyraptor made a new version of itself when it was damaged. Someone would play forerunner, bring polyraptor to the top, draw and play it, make it take one, copy it, make the copy take one, make a copy, and infinitum

The Shudderwock issue could be fixed by excluding itself or only allowing the effect once in a turn. This is what is done in most special summoning and other related effects in Yu-Gi-Oh.

Things that are wrong with this video: 1. Hearthstone is not a TCG. You can not trade in this game! 2. Shudderwock never broke the game, you could just concede when the animation began and the game was over. 3. You dont have to buy 70$ Packs to get the card lol Just play the game, get some gold and dust and craft the card for free. 4. The battlecry will not activate when it's copied. Only if you play a card from your hand the battlecry will activate.

Ah, it was fun seeing you talk about the nostaglic Catapult Turtle combo for a bit

*This video gave me Vietnam flashbacks of Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon*

I remember when i was in highschool my friends and i would often play some casual games of MTG during our free periods at school (casual in that we didn't really care much about any of the meta strategies and would just play with whatever cards we happened to have). One day i decided to try going to the games club after school, and in literally the very first match my opponent wiped the floor with me in like 3 turns using a tailor-made Cascade deck. That was the last time i ever went to the games club after school.

So everybody here is basically complaining about how you didn't accurately portray Hearthstone but I honestly don't give a shit about that. What I find to be a shame is the premise of the video, "What happens when you break a card game?" turned out to just be a 10 minute long explanation of one specific combo in one card game. I'd LOVE to hear more developed thoughts on that and how if affects a game, it's economy, playerbase, tournaments, future set design, etc. Honestly there's potential for SO MUCH interesting discussion there, but you basically just skimmed the surface to talk about this one combo.

To be fair Blizzard usually gives full dust refunds of cards that they nerf, so you can still swap it out for a card of equal value

One of my favorite deck synergies in early Hearthstone involved Kel'Thuzad, Faceless Manipulator, and Reincarnate. Kel'thuzad has an active ability that resurrects any minion that dies while he's in play. Faceless Manipulator has a battlecry that lets it turn into a copy of any other minion on the field you own, even Legendary ones, and it will remain in that form until it's killed. Reincarnate causes a card to die and immediately resurrect with all effects applied to it reset. However, and this is the important part, Reincarnate still counts as a minion dying. So you would slap down Kel'thuzad, and then use Faceless to copy him. Then, you would use Reincarnate on one of them. This causes the one Kel'thuzad left standing to resurrect the one that died, and it doesn't care that Reincarnate spawns a second one already. This means you now have three Kel'thuzads. And unless the opponent can destroy all three on that single turn, things have now gone off the rails. Kel'thuzad's ability will go off individually for each Kel'thuzad, and they will in turn clone anything on your side of the board that dies by a factor of however many Kel'thuzads there are. Which, as established earlier, includes Kel'thuzad himself. This madness only stops if you physically cannot fit any more minions onto the board, and it does not take that long to reach that point, especially if you have cards that you can use to directly kill your own minions. Meaning that you now have a wall of 6/8 self-replicating skeleton men taking up your end of the field unless your opponent manages to kill all of them in one turn, something that takes either a very tricky one-turn play, using Deathwing's battlecry, or using the Twisting Nether spell.

not only that, in MTG and other tabletop TCGs, banned/restricted cards often are more expensive, even though they cannot be used, so if you don't want it, you will likely get the money back from that card in the long run, especially if you wait a few years and keep the card mint.

"The Digimon nerds, but I mean, come on" 10/10

"Do you wanna spend half an hour playing a game you know you're gunna lose" sounds like League of Legends

That guy in YuGiOh with the exodia deck: “look at what they need to mimic a fraction of my power”

20+ years ago playing MTG I distinctly recall 2 separate times when I got a card combination in my hand that caused me to bust out laughing as I realized the possibilities. I think in each case WotC eventually ruined it by outlawing x = 0.

There are alot of errors in the explanation of the shudderwock combo

So much wrong with this video. Over half the things you say are not true. Do you even play the game? 5:00 Nope, you can just craft the card. 6:55 The copied Shudderwok will NOT activate again, you'll need to have played Grumble before this, so you return it to hand and that is only if your Saronite Chain gang goes off before Grumble, otherwise the combo wont work. 7:28 Okay, so even if your turn ends, the battlecry does not. The battlecry will ALWAYS play out until its over. 7:50 How are you going to play Murmuring Elemental for 2 mana and then cast Shudderwok for 9 mana. You only have 10 mana to work with. This will only work if you're going second, and somehow kept the Coin. Not impossible, but very unlikely. 9:32 No you're not. As you said, both players know who is going to win, so if you're the losing player, just surrender/concede. 10:25 It is so far from game breaking. It's not even THAT good. It's not like you'll win every time. This deck has a hard time against aggro decks. 11:11 If Blizzard nerfs a card it'll give you a full refund on dust. Most people buy it with dust anyways, so this was essentialy a free card while it lasted I honestly thing you should have done some more homework before releasing this video. You obviously don't know how the card/hearthstone works.

As a pokemon player I am just done with the competitive meta as I only play expanded. The pokemon company/Nintendo has made broken cards only looking at the possible combos in standard but not in expanded. This creates broken combos like the island challenge amulet hand lock deck or the scoop up net shaymin decks. It just seems that the company is not paying any attention to the cards they make. They then just ban the cards and people who have bought those expensive cards like shaymin ex are now losing money because those cards are never going to be able to be played anymore it's just do stupid.

Got reminded by this video because of inscryption. A card called Pharaoh's Pets lets you sacrifice it to play blood cards infinitely. The Ouroboros, a blood card, gains 1 attack(inscryption calls it power, but it's the same thing) and 1 health every time it dies, and also returns to your hand(as in, not in your deck or just deleted for that match). The Necromancer revives a unit when it dies, and then that revived unit immediately dies. There's a training dummy in act 2 featuring an enemy who does no damage and can block your damage. There's also a hammer feature which lets you kill your cards. So basically, you set up your Necromancer(or two, if you want extra brokeness), Pet, and Ouroboros, and you can create a loop of buffing your Ouroboros infinitely, not to mention creating infinite copies of that OP Ouroboros in your hand. It's tough to pull the Shudderwock-esque full combo in normal fights, but even just having an infinitely powerful Ouroboros(as his buffed stats stay past the fight) is still incredibly stupidly overpowered.

7:05 Thats... Thats not how Shudderwock works at all. The copies dont trigger their battleycry when summoned, only when cast from the hand. Plus, the order it triggers them in is random, meaning the Grumble one could go off before the Chain-Gang effect, making Murmuring Elemental necessary, as its what ensures that you get the 1 cost Shudderwock copies on your next turn without leaving it to chance.

7:00 actually it doesn't work like that. For a battlecry to be activated it has to be played from a player hand, thats why Grumble is part of the combo. The Saronite Chain Gang is just for board and more copies 1 mana in hand aftes using Grumble battlecry

In Yu-Gi-Oh!, "no player can play if the loop do the thing continuously" loops are auto looses for the loop player.

I mean, not only is this not how the combo works, its not even the most aggregious deck thats been made, making it too 10 mana is shocking what with rush meta always going for turn 4 wins since the third expansion.

*The Shudderwock combo has been fully nerfed, Saronite Chain gang has been changed to: “Battlecry: Summon another Saronite Chain Gang”*

Kinda a hard video for me to get through. Spoilers, Shudderwok is not a broken card in the game. It's a competitive deck, but isn't extraordinarily powerful or unbeatbable. A lot of the times it can't kill the enemy in one turn, and the animation was sped up. Oh, and by the way THERE ARE COMBOS IN THIS GAME THAT KILL YOU IN ONE TURN! Velen Priest, Antonidas Mage, Malygos Druid. These also have long animations for the enemy as well. Then there are slower, more aggravating and consistent decks that way worse, like Taunt Druid, which uses a non-interactive combo to fill the board with huge valuable minions, after spending the whole time after sitting behind taunts and building up armor, and then they do it again! And again!

As an MTG player who plays casual, infinite combos are a delicate balance. The best way i see them played are in long format games like commander where the combo is but one of several win cons, and you have little chance of getting the combo out without direct card searching. But i have seen people play a deck by first announcing the win con is an infinite combo and they just want to see it happen. "I worked it out math-wise, I want to see it irl", which people will often agree to do because why the hell not. But whenever someone puts down an infinite combo, there's no tension. Often it happens before people have gotten their own win cons out. So you put down your Exquisite Blood alongside your Sanguine Bond and say "I win, I got the combo.". Someone looks over and says "huh, yep that's the combo.", and then starts gathering up their cards. There's no real sense of triumph because you didn't *win*, you have engendered a situation where it is impossible for anyone else to win. It just sits there on the table like a dead rat and then you play a deck that people can actually fight against and compete with.

Dude, the point you're making is the same in a lotta TCG/CCG. Konami does it in response to everyone hopping onto a bandwagon of an overpowered or underestimated effect. In competitive play in Yu-gi-oh, you are required to have the most recent erratas of cards in your deck if they come with effects that change how they function. An example of one you wouldn't need the most recent version of would be Swap Frog. First print was a mess, a lot of folks who didn't know frogs were confused as hell. His most recent print didn't change his effect, but condensed the wording and made it a lot more straightforward to folks new to frogs. The example you used, Catapult Turtle, has gotten six Errata so far. This would be one you'd need a new copy of because the effect has changed to a soft once per turn (You can activate the effect as many times as you have copies of Catapult Turtle on the field once a turn), so you would need a newer copy if you had Erratum 5 or before. I don't mean to be invalidating, but it's been happening in Yu-gi-oh and other TCG/CCG for awhile.

>says battlecries are the most simple thing in the game >incorrectly describes how battlecries work

The copies don't trigger their battlecries. That's like such a fundamentally huge detail that's so incredibly hard to miss that I'm honestly offended you made a video having missed this detail. Also, not as huge of an overlooked detail, but you actually *can* cue actions while shudderwock's animation is going. This isn't the case with some animations though, like brawl, but with shudderwock, it *is* the case. Also, if you don't want to sit through the animations waiting for you to lose, you don't have to, you can concede the moment shudderwock is played.

I love how this got recomnded to me because of yugioh history series

As soon as you explained Shutterwock’s battlecry, me, who has never played hearthstone instantly thought “well what if you have 2 of them”

7:04 ...No? That's not how it works at all! Battlecry only triggers on cards you play directly from the hand, not minions that are summoned or put into play through other effects! If that were how it worked, just playing a single Saronite Chain Gang would fill your entire board with Taunt Minions! This is incredibly misrepresentative... You also can't play Murmuring and Shudderwock in the same turn unless there's mana generation or cost reduction involved, since the pair costs 11 Mana, and you ARE able to perform actions before an animation is complete, because the game processes faster than it animates. Not only that, but your opponent doesn't even have to wait for you to finish because the option to concede is literally right there! I'm starting to wonder if you've even played Hearthstone at all...

Battlecrys only trigger off played minions, not off copies like chain gang

The problem with card games summed up: Players: "¡This game is too slow! ¡Matches last forever!" Developer: *Makes game faster by increasing power level* Players: ¡This game is too random! Early draws are all that matters.

Very helpful that this video popped up as I just started writing up a card game.

When shudderwock duplicates itself using Saronite Chain Gang' battlecry it will NOT trigger it's battlecry again because Chain Gang also doesnt activate it's battlecry over and over again when it gets duplicated.

But you did not explain pot of greed's effect.

In my gradeschool we had no lunchroom. We played outside in the concrete. There were minor yugioh battles all over the kid's yard, but there was one shadowy, quiet corner where six kids regularly played MtG, wordlessly, and usually with a silent audience of awestruck kids ringing them. I only ever saw those six kids during recess playing Magic. It felt like a drug cartel or something.

This happens in magic, quite a bit. Infinite combos exist because they're so many different cards that synergize with each other. Mind you, most them are only played in commander or EDH which is 100 card decks, so it can be quite difficult to pull them off. In modern which is 60 car there was a turn one win deck, but one of the pieces was banned I believe.

You've activated my trap card! When my opponent breathes, it allows me to summon Exodia!

I find it amazing how somebody with such a profound understanding of cards games.could have absolutly no idea how hearthstone works

In some ways this is kinda inevitable. Right, if you release new cards all the time, with many completely new effects, unless there's some inherently ultra-safe ruleset for what a valid card effect can be that's followed very strictly, you will have unintended combos and some will be way too strong or create a dupe or something. It's simply not practical to, when inventing a new card, look at how it could be used with any possible permutation if existing cards. Not just how it could be used with one other card but 2 or 3 or 10. Each being an exponential jump in search space.

A consumer should never adjust expectations. If anything, consumers have an ethical obligation to be overly demanding and unreasonable so as to artificially force companies to provide the best service possible.

A couple things I want to add. 1. When you open card packs, you can get duplicates of anything below Legendary rarity (the orange gem in the middle means Legendary), and if you get duplicates, or just cards you never plan on using, you can disenchant them for dust, which can slowly be collected to create the card you want to use. Also there are ways to slowly accumulate packs and gold to buy packs without paying, but it is EXTREMELY slow. 2. At least in the last year or so, any time they nerf a card, they refund it's dust value to the owner of the card, and let you keep the card too. Which means you can keep the card if you still want to use it, and also use that dust to craft a card of the same rarity, or multiple cards of less rarity. 3. Loved the video, and completely agree with it. Not disagreeing with you through these corrections, just wanted to clarify a couple things in case people get mad about something that Blizzard is quite good about trying to reduce the damage of. Your content is super consistent, and I have enjoyed every video I've seen from you since I found you.

What? No. When shudderwock uses the chain gang battlecry, it *summons* another, not plays meaning that the copy's battlecry will not activate.

Both as I find the issue to largely from the player's lack of restraint in their competitiveness. Just because there is a game breaking combo doesn't mean that one should use it. Overuse of such a combo removes fun from the game which completely defeats the point of a game. It is the reason why Yugioh is no longer fun to play in its current state. It is impossible for the developers to know every single combination there is and will exist however they still hold some responsibility for any lack of foresight.

Since the good old shudderwock days, the game has been breaking every couple of months with a new crazy unbeatable combo. There have been consistent one turn kills on turn 5. And today, in January 2022, it's a miracle to have a game longer than turn 7-8, especially in wild, without even having a special one turn kill

1. Don't act like you know the game when you don't. 2. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to get one card, you can just craft it. 3. Battlecries don't activate when summoned, they activate when played. 4. Shudderwock is only an average deck and has never been very good. 5. Many other decks have made people concede at the start, like pirate warrior. 6. When a card is nerfed you are compensated by letting you craft a new card of the same rarity instead.

I am sorry, but you are wrong. Battlecry doesn't trigger when shudderwock summons a copy of himself. So, the first time shudderwock played, there will be just 1 life drinker battlecry. However, its when shudderwock played second time we get double battlecry - from original lifedrinker and from the first shudderwock. You are right in the regard that every consequent shudderwock effect will be greater, and overwhelm the ooponent at the end. Hovewer, it didnt break the game. It turned to be not not the best deck, not even among top tier ones.

I played Magic during the Revised era. I remember hearing about the infamous combo from Alpha that would be a first turn win. But it took like 5 specific cards in your 7 card hand, so it was very rare. Still, they banned it. It is part of why Wizards of the Coast doesn't allow old cards in tournaments.

"Imagine trying to implement this kind of mechanic into a tabletop game of Magic" Wizards of the Coast: Behold our newest game mode, Alchemy! MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

It seems quite obvious that he doesn’t know completely what he is saying about Hearthstone

7:05 That's not how it works. The copy won't create another copy. This combo works because you can have 10 copys of Shudderwock next turn, dealing 30 (or 60) damage to your opponent. I like this video and agree with most of said things but this mistake is pretty big.

Been happening like this since the old days. After the power 9 got restricted, cards like Berserk, Wheel of Fortune, Fork, Balance, and so many others got restricted. Then errata became a thing and the cards didn’t do what they said on the card anymore... Imagine paying $75 in 1994 for a Chaos Orb and then seeing it get banned next week?

The pokemon card game has "shiftry donk" which utilizes the arena card forest of giant plants to repeatedly use Next Destinies Shiftry's ability to remove all of your opponent's pokemon from the game turn 1

can we stop calling hearthstone a trading card game and call it a collectible card game instead? unless they've added a feature i have not yet seen, we are not able to trade cards

The part where you talk about obtaining Shudderwock is insanely misleading to non-Hearthstone players. You can enchant cards using dust which you can obtain from winning in arena, your end of season chest, and disenchanting cards. You'll get a decent amount of gold cards you can disenchant for the same amount cards of that rarity are worth, unless it's a common in which case you get even more. The game, however, has the opposite of a pay wall. When you first start are basically boned unless either you grind monotonously or drop money until you can get what you need to make a meta deck (this can range anywhere between $20-$100 based on your luck), however, once you have a good deck you can easily support yourself as long as you stay somewhat active and obtain multiple decks. Also, if you only play standard (which I personally recommend), your old cards will become useless and after disenchanting them you should have more than enough to enchant a few new decks.

For some reason, I got this in my recommended in 2020. Oh how the turntables! Hearthstone has basically been replaced by Battlegrounds because people got tired of RNG in their card games but they endure it in auto chess like games, and Magic has seen the release of Ikoria back in April and they actually DID change the text of the companion cards because some of them were so incredibly broken unfortunately making this kind of video quite obsolete!

Why the huge amount of dislikes? Makes no sense to me.

Yeah but how does pot of greed work?

I feel like this is clickbaity, it's clear you don't know how the combo works, also I've not lost vs Shudderwock in ages, it's just not fast enough. The difference between this and the turtle combo in yu gi oh is Shudder combo will be on turn 9 at the earliest ( turn 10 if you want to be more consistent with murmering) and you need to have had all the pieces and not died during the process, whereas the yu gi oh one is on turn 1, there's no counterplay.

Therapist: 6-colour MTG doesn't exist, it cannot hurt you. 6-colour MTG: 11:38