Lmao. Shaddap. Good stuff

😂😂😂😂

Nice!

yowza

This made me laugh, and shake my head at the same time LMAO good one

Ain’t nobody reading all that chief

​@@kieranhill993then go back to the caves you illiterate 😂

​@kieranhill993 it's two paragraphs, try Hooked On Phonics

@@kieranhill993dumbass

​@@MortimerYoungwhat ever happened to hooked on phonics, I thought it was fun as a kid. Ironically my English is garbage

Billy Jack...Tony Jack's brother was on the scene when Jimmy was killed. It happened at Licata's house on Long Lake....Tony was present the whole day at the Southfield Athletic Club. It happened on their turf and Tony Pro's guy Briggulio was on the scene repping Tony Pro. Took his body down in Hamtramack to the junk recycling center the Partnership's owned and got rid of the body.

​@@doriandenard5846How do you know this, is there any reliable source? I'm honestly asking. I do agree Tony Jack's role in the movie was downplayed. Patrick Gallo is an excellent actor, but maybe should have been casted in another role

@@theportugueselegend I have sources locally that knew EXACTLY what happened and we wouldn't be friends anymore if I divulged it. Just know that the scenario presented is pretty much how it happened. The collaboration of certain individuals made him disappear. Licata's marriage into the Partnership's clan couldn't save him because 6 years to the day he killed himself in the very same house and the exact day Hoffa came up missing. He was bad mouthing his brother-in-law who happened to be the boss of the family. Word is, his wife was sleeping in the living room when he shot himself TWICE in the head. Partnership's specialty, other than keeping themselves out of sight, but making people either DISAPPEAR or make it look totally SUICIDAL. The actual shooter actually died in 2020. So do some research on the Detroit Partnership past and present and you'll find your answer.

@@doriandenard5846 Thanks, I believe you, and I'll have a look

@egyptian316 Actually, IF you believe the book, which I read LONG before the movie was even filmed, it sounds like he actually DID have an idea because he (Sheeran) so much as says that not only had Bufalino interceded (and NOT because Bufalino was obligated to either) on his behalf MANY times prior (in unrelated incidences) to Hoffa's "disappearance" (that's right, ever since reading Arthur Sloane's "Hoffa", I'm CONVINCED Hoffa got himself killed, even though we don't know WHO really did the deed and, again, that was BEFORE this movie), his loyalties were to Bufalino first, due to their history, and, because of that (and the Commission's apparent respect for Bufalino himself), he was spared being killed himself by being put in on the hit. Sheeran went on to say that it was not only to make sure he couldn't get back at the Mafia (that is, by avenging Hoffa's murder), it was his chance to prove where his loyalties lay and that he could still be trusted! Being shaped by hard times (the Great Depression and World War II; the real-life Sheeran was the same age as my paternal grandfather, who'd died a few years before Hoffa) makes you appreciate it when people are looking out for you, however ironic it may sound in Sheeran's case! All this, of course, is if you're to believe the story (I mean Sheeran's), never mind the movie and all of it's dramatizations. As for Jimmy Hoffa, it's obvious he played with fire and got burned (by all accounts, he knew how dangerous the people he was dealing with were and, f.y.i., NO, I will NOT make wisecracks about what happened to him; I'm aware his children are still alive and that he's got grandchildren and great-grandchildren, apparently)!

They wouldn’t dare! I know things I know things they don’t know I have tapes

@@SmartDave60Did his knowledge of mafia crimes ever get exposed or used by the law enforcement agencies???

@@peterl3417 I’m just speaking within the context of the movie. Hoffa took no precautions because he thought he was untouchable.

@@SmartDave60 Didn’t the unions get fucked up bad after Hoffa’s death? So maybe he had a dead mans switch or something that released all that dirt after he died.

Arrogance!!

Because it's how that was in real life. Fat Tony appeared everywhere, and he did take some decisions by himself. But in big decisions (like the Genoveses supporting Jimmy getting wacked) the okay from Chin was needed

Agreed keep them coming!

It was made when he didn't know when to back down

It's a fun film but full of lies for dramatic effect,frank Sheeran DID NOT kill Jimmy Hoffa.... plenty of mob men have stated that

​​@@hoze1235That was true about the real-life Hoffa (he'd been warned NUMEROUS times).

I've only seen it once and I'm getting more inclined to watching it again.

​@@Based_StuhlingerYou should! There's things we don't see in the first watch that we got when we rewatch it. It's a pretty good movie. Not on Casino's level in my opinion, but pretty good!

@@theportugueselegend I Just watched it yesterday and three and a half hours went like nothing, the film is gold.

I was never able to take it seriously

@@DanJuega , neither was I. All of Scorsese's mob films involve fabricated mob stories and are presented as fact, yet the films worked out fantastically. The Irishman was just too far stretched and the decision to use de-aging CGI just blew it.

"far stretched" lmao how? Even if the de aging is flawed, suspend your disbelief ya cynic. If it wasn't the same actors all the way through then it wouldn't have the impact it does.

@@cynicaltheastrocreep4504 Suspension of disbelief can only take you so far before it breaks. You think the Godfather 2 would have more impact if they could've have a de-aged Marlon Brando instead of Robert DeNiro. Cause it's laughable to say it would.

@@DanJuega definitely. Hiring a different actor definitely creates some disconnect but often it's the only choice, or at least was back then. I would say most of it in the Irishman looks pretty good, when they're supposed to be really young it does look off but it's good for most of the film. I think you just have this pretentious "I'm better than that" attitude at his movies because they take some liberties to tell the most interesting story, not the exact truth.

Could be! Interesting idea.

Agreed. They usually give the job of murdering someone to a close friend of theirs.

@6610stix In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if his body was actually incinerated, considering it's not been found after all these years (and he's not been seen or heard from since July 30, 1975; it's my understanding even his own family suspected foul play from the beginning).

@@thomasshort1784 I'm confident he be found someday. Even if that someday is 10,000 years from now and he is found plastered flat as a frisbee between a stack of illegally dumped asbestos and truckload of bootleg 8-track disco tapes.

Hope you're well my friend!

You may or may not know this, but the "JAKE GOTTLIEB" character in THE IRISHMAN was based on real life Hoffa Attorney and close confidante - MORRIS SHENKER who obtained millions of dollars in loans from Hoffa's Teamsters Pension Fund to buy the DUNES HOTEL in Vegas. There were a few other Casinos in Vegas that also borrowed money from the Teamsters, so when Hoffa got out of prison and threatened to take back his position from Fitz...those mobsters who were skimming millions in untaxed dollars from the various countrooms in those Hotel/Casinos, knew their "Cash Cows" were in jeopardy, so that's when I believe they ALL realized Hoffa had to be killed?

When a mob boss asks you politely to do something it’s not a request

How would a stranger making a video online ever know that Godfather 1&2 are your favourite?

​@@chrisbarrett8377desperate to be a dick? Carry on go be toxic to the people in your life.

This movie was never very popular outside of its initial run because it was highly anticipated and released essentially for free on a streaming service so everyone and their mother saw it. After a year following its release I can’t recall anyone ever talking about it outside of KZfaq clips

I read this comment at work and rushed home to watch clips of his scenes but there was traffic and I was 7 1/2 minutes late

Hahahaha 5 mins is acceptable no more!!

What do you mean like dirt on them?

20 years ago would have been much more appropriate for the casting

Could you further elaborate why Al didn’t pull it off?

@@SmartDave60 I am into the history of the Hoffa/Mob/JFK/Hoover all that crap. In my opinion having watched The movies Blood Feud and Hoffa plus documentaries Al Pacino ( sorry I’m not on a firs t name basis like you are with him) doesn’t come close to the part. Al Pacino acted the same way as in Devils Advocate plus a few others. He doesn’t look like Hoffa and mannerisms are off. It seemed to be overacting for overacting sake and forced.

@@bp2352 I was born in ‘69 so I vaguely remember Hoffa when he was in the news after his disappearance. And I totally agree Al wasn’t a convincing Hoffa physically. But I loved his acting in it. I did find his rage and ego portraying Hoffa convincing.

@@SmartDave60 Oh cool. I was in born 74 you must remember T.V when they still smoked on air. I re read my comment and I sounded like an ass saying I wasn’t on a first name basis like you. This is KZfaq. You really could be in which that would be Fu&k!ng awesome.

@@bp2352 smoking was taken off the air on ‘68 I believe. And no I don’t know Al .. but would call him Mr Pacino if I ever met ‘em.

The Philly family is basically the 6th NYC family. Philly mob leadership is decided and voted on by the NY crime families. If you're dealing with Angelo Bruno or Nicky Scarfo you're dealing with an extension of the Gambino family. But this movie isn't accurate.

Thank you!

@@CineRanter no thank you CR. Always awesome.

Do they know who killed them?

@@peteyprimo7173 Michael Franzese who was in the Colombo family at that time of Hoffa,he knows...he just won't say the name of the guy who told him for sure...you have to realize SOMEBODY knows or knew who killed him just because it's never been revealed doesn't mean somebody doesn't KNOW but it wasn't Sheeran...gallo was in the colombo family at the same time Mike father was,,,so they know these things

@fattony9227 While I agree with most of your points, I disagree with your point about the movie because Hollywood is NOTORIOUS for embellishing stories about real-life events and even people to the point that you can't discern what's true and what's a lie (examples: Ty Cobb, Jimmy Hoffa, even Johnny Cash, to name a few), which I why I don't like biopics (and why, if interested, I'll make it a point to research the real people or events)! If anything, I've learned 9 times out of 10, that the real person (and that includes Jimmy Hoffa) is usually more interesting, if not intriguing, anyway.

Yes we do! Tony was named Boss from Lombardo. Unfortunately he had a stroke and they didn’t know how he would recover.. Meantime Chin filled the void. After about a year of convalescing he missed the action and returned on a part time basis and let Chin keep the Boss position and he took the Streeboss position bc everyone already thought he was Boss! He handled pretty much all day to day things and handled the Commission side of business.

You know this how? I've heard Sammy the Bull tell a version similar to this, only he seemed to state that Benny 'Squints' Lombardo got Chin to agree to acknowledge Tony as boss, but that eventually, Chin would take over, & that, yes, after Fat Tony's stroke, Chin sent word to him that he was taking over, but that Fat Tony would still get the boss title, & run the borgata, day-to-day... But that Gigante was now official boss. But in tapes made by Vinny 'Fish' Cafaro, it seems the evidence points to the contrary, I believe(?).

@@matthewrider5906 WoW! Sammy actually said something true???lol I stopped watching him after I realized all his channel was is a RE-telling of his book that came out almost 30yrs ago… I have a collection of over 100 books on the genre. And an extensive collection of FBI reports, 302’s, etc. It’s been covered actually in a few of the better non mainstream books but I do believe quite certainly it was discussed in “Five Families” by S. Raab even… But you are correct, it was giving to ‘Fat Tony’ out of seniority and respect but ‘Chin’ was the heir apparent who would eventually take over and did sooner than expected…Funzi was always ‘SteetBoss’ and in that administration there was no shades of grey. You are also on the money when you say ‘Fat Tony’ had more authority than other Borgatas #1’s… ‘Big Paul’ was prob the only one who could contest him outright, and even then as long as it didn’t interfere with Paul’s bottom line even he would defer to Salerno. ‘Tony Ducks’ and him came up together and were regular pals… and he never wanted to cross him. “Tell em go complain to ‘Fat Tony’” And all the other Bosses just simply were not on that level in NY. Not even close…

@@josephsierzengaIV Yeah, I agree abt Gravano 110%. He's simply a grifter. But he told the version I relayed to you before I stopped watching him. I'm a bit of an amateur Cosa Nostra buff, myself. But that's more to do w/my labor union official grandfather who had, *alleged,* hehe, but alleged St. Louis Giordano Crime Family 'friends,' from all the way back in the late '50s/earliest '60s, all the way through til the new president of Pipefitters Local #562, my grandfather's, uncles', & my father's union, President Ed Steska, who'd vowed to "clean up" the local, was murdered in his office @ the union hall complex, while he was on the phone with, according to many ppl, James 'Horseshoe Jimmy' Michaels Sr, also a high-ranking organized labor leader & the boss of The Syrian Mob in St. Louis... But one thing we know FOR CERTAIN?!?! NOBODY got killed from Pipefitters Local #562 w/out the greenlight from one Don Anthony 'Tony G' Giordano! He ran the St. Louis borgata from 1950, when he declared St. Louis's independence from the Civella Crime Family outta KC, til 1980, when he died of cancer. It is somewhat UNCOMMON KNOWLEDGE, however, that not only did The Commission acknowledge St. Louis as an official borgata, aka The Giordano Family... But they also appointed Tony G. as overseer of all Colorado Cosa Nostra's gambling rackets, numbers-running, & shylocking, but he included The Capone-era Smaldone Family as part of Tony G's new assignment! Giordano was a tough guy, he surrounded himself w/incredibly sharp wiseguys, such as his longtime underboss, 'Uncle Joe' Cammarata, & the family's unofficial consigliere, even after he officially retired, John 'Johnny V' Vitale. Vitale would also twice serve as acting boss. The first time, I believe(?), was during a fairly brief prison stint that Giordano was serving, & the 2nd time, that was immediately after Giordano's death, & the subsequent St. Louis car bomb war of 1980, which began with Horseshoe Jimmy's pal, Tony G, passing away. Giordano had been able to guarantee Michaels' safety from an insurgent Syrian faction of Michael's own Syrian Mob, The Leisure brothers. However... That stint as acting boss only lasted a couple of yrs, as Giordano left the official boss position to one of his Detroit Partnership 'connected' guys, one that just so happened to be his blood nephew, his sister's son Matthew 'Mikey Boy' Trupiano. He had Vitale bring him to St. Louis, straighten him out, & then appoint him official Giordano Family boss. And ppl have to remember... In 1950-1955, St. Louis was the largest it'd ever been, & it was also a Top 10 largest city for most, if not all, of Giordano's reign. The Giordanos were considered to've had as many as 65-to-75 'made' guys @ their heighth of power, not counting the administration of the family... So 68-to-78 actual wiseguys... That's as big as, if not bigger than, The DeCavalcante Family, for hell's sake! And if there were 75 guys AND the administration, that's roughly equivalent to Philly's Bruno Crime Family! Also, Giordano was just as tight, if not (& most probably) tighter, w/The Detroit Partnership, than he was w/The Chicago Outfit OR The Civella Crime Family.... Though he was still definitely very tight w/both of the latter-mentioned syndicates too. Absolutely so. And back in the 1950s & 1960s, maybe even into the '70s, the access St. Louis had to The Mississippi River loading docks... It was almost like having NYC's docks to manipulate, except on a gigantic river, as opposed to the ocean! But please forgive me... I got off subject. As you can probably see, I'm passionate abt The Giordano Crime Family. But yes... I've heard tell that Benny 'squints' Lombardo asked Chin, on his deathbed, "Honor Fat Tony as boss for awhile. Then, when the time is right, ask him to step down." And that's what happened! But although Sammy told it this way, doesn't make it so. I was talking to @OC Shortz in his comment section once, & he said that from everything he heard, meaning tapes, wiretaps, etc, Fat Tony was *never* official Genovese Family boss! He was only ever a Genovese street boss... But to our mutual points, Fat Tony is caught on a bug overruling Paul Castellano... The *alleged* unofficial capo di tutti capi... Or, 'boss of all bosses'! So yeah... I think that, since Junior Persico & Philip 'Rusty' Rastelli were incarcerated for most of both their reigns... Fat Tony was the more powerful man in the #1, top-tier, Ivy-League-of-Cosa-Nostra, Genovese Crime Family... Another truth Sammy actually confessed?! That The Gambinos only rivaled The Genovese in sheer numbers. Everything else? The Gambinos were a strong #2, & that's it! John Alite, a renowned liar, but who was on record for a couple yrs w/Junior Gotti's crew, he's also admitted that The Gambinos were really just a strong #2 as well. And this is one of the very few, if any other times, you'll 'hear' me say, "I believe John Alite on this one!" LBVS! But I do! To Alite's point... Gotti, in his $3,000 suits (probably abt $6, 750 in today's money!) & hand-painted neckties, his tanning bed tan, & his perfectly quaffed, immovable hair, (rapidly receding hairline & all)... He was like someone straight outta central casting or some shit, & that sold papers! And particularly, it sold NYC gossip mags! But, Andy Warhol did famously do a painting of him that landed on the cover of Time Magazine too... Not very Cosa Nostra, is it? Hehe.

@@josephsierzengaIV Last thing: Who do you have Frank 'Funzi' Tieri serve as a street boss for?? I know he was one, just not exactly when, or for whom! Any info is appreciated!

Ofcourse they do. They can't admit that a non-mobster would kill a high profile guy like Hoffa. They like the "mystery" too much.

True. The beating he gave to the store owner was hard to watch

Ideally they would've just found a great actor in his 40s a la de Niro in godfather but when the entire selling point of the movie is de Niro, pacino, and pesci, no one would have been happy with replacing half their screen time with some other less famous but younger actor.

​@@GYI5Uyeah like an Alessandro Nivola or some rando like that

Scorsese is an old man who’s already proven his film skills, now he’s just having fun making movies and experimenting with ideas. Certainly not something worth getting upset over.😂😂

@@higginswalsan well I’m upset damn it. It’s been like 5 years and I haven’t been the same ever since I watched it

He’s part irish and mostly not Italian

How'd you figure

Well, there were sections that tried to pass off as a comedy even during the scene that were supposed to be serious.

@@felipesegura4780 but aren't most Scorsese movies laced with comedic overtones?

@@felipesegura4780 what sections?

@josephballard3641 kinda but not really, the comedy aspects wouldn't derail the flow or atmosphere in Scorsese past films. For example, in goodfellas during the poker scene when spider told Tommy to go **** himself there was a moment where it was kinda funny since spider was hobbling from the injury tommy gave him meanwhile everyones laughing at Tommy and joking around until Tommy brings the serious tone and atmosphere back on track. Not saying the Irishman was a terrible movie but it just felt like it was having a hard time distinguishing itself.

lol "liberal" as if that's relevant to the scene or his ability to plausibly beat up that guy. he's an actor, you can't separate his politics from his role? it's because he's old that the scene sucks. was he somehow less liberal when he played Travis Bickle?

@@miracle_grrrl_mira for some reason conservatives only recently found out that most people in the entertainment industry and art are left leaning, this fact bothers them, that most artists are left leaning

@@miracle_grrrl_mira.

He hated all the Kennedy’s and there are like 850 of them. That’s a lot of bitching

@@peteyprimo7173LMFAO THEY ARE NEVA GONNA FORGIVE ME GIVING MONEY TO NIXON.