It sure must be a weird read. Almost hard to imagine a time back when people could still somewhat regularly encounter and know of these animals.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy It’s almost like time travel in a way.

what is the book called?

@@DarkMedic Some generic name like “Wildlife of our world” or somethin’.

@@memegalodon4522 If you ever scan the pages with the Thylacine and post them somewhere, I'm sure a lot of us would be very interested.

I heard it actually succeeded in much of the US. And that they had to be reintroduced from the geneticly similar wolves further north.

@@troydodson9641 Yeah, the original subspecies found throughout much of the U.S., the Great Plains Wolf or Buffalo Wolf (C. lupus nubilus) was successfully extirpated from its native range and wolves from Canada were introduced as a substitute. Interestingly, a random physician from Pennsylvania, U.S. named Dr. Edward McCleery was inspired and able to purchase some pups of this subspecies before they were all gone and kept and bred them in a backyard zoo. It's a really interesting story but long story short, as of now, their descendants are inbred and intermixed with other subspecies and the foundation that currently owns these last 20 individuals has no intention on breeding them nor working with wildlife biologists,and instead is just working on taking care of these individuals until they die. As for the subspecies itself, besides these wolves, it's debated as to whether or not the subspecies still survives in Canada but either way, the original populations from the United States, and their life history/learnt species culture and behavior is gone forever.

@@geckoguy4141 I saw the story from a doc a long time ago, but never heard of McCleery. Unfortunate about the subspecies, yet another thing I never heard. Thank you

Now the wolves are breeding with wild dogs and coyotes. And the Coyotes are also breeding with the wild dogs.

@@jailbird1133 nah, hibridation between wild and domestic animals (wolf-dogs and cats-wildcats) only happens in areas where the wild ones have a extremelly low population density and cant find partners. In normal conditions they see their domestic counterparts as food (specially wolves, the best solution to feral dogs). The hibridation tale is very often used by hunters to justify culling them, but has no scientific support (in most cases).

100s of extinct animals have been found alive. It can happen again

Here’s the weird thing thylacines had a weak sense of smell and mostly relied on their eye sight. But I still think they would have moved out of the park by now.

Invasive foxes and cats probably haven't helped their chances either

@@hyd3n376 yeah

While you may be correct, I will still argue your point with the following ad hominem logical fallacy: You're using facts and logic to crush my dreams of seeing a thylacine in person, so you are automatically a bad person (even though it was not your intention)so your argument is invalid as a result.

@@Skyypixelgamer Nice fact. Yeah. I actually kind of dropped the ball. Actually being a mammal is more of a "hearing" thing. Developing the ears. Olfaction is a verterbrate thing. Good eye sight very nice thought.

The goobers must be encountered. :)

""Queen Elizabeth II died sad because her WOKE grand-daughter in law made her favorite grandson Prince Harry defect to live in California!!!!!""

I don't want them to be extinct... but if that prevents arrogant axholes from hunting them, then so be it. There's a LOT of unmonitored area in N. Zealand and Australia and environs. I want them to thrive - and help with that dang rabbit outbreak - again, a thing white men did.

I really hope so too.

Hopeful some tough survivors are lingering on... Many thanks for watching, Sandra!

Many thanks! And yes, it's always neat coming across a range of images to use for these kinds of videos. :)

Could help with genetic diversity if they’re out there!

They sure were/are! And thanks! Been a good while since that one, so I'm glad to revisit them again. :)

One of the best lines in anything ever.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy indeed

Even if they are gone, the current mass camera trap programs will help a ton for currently vulnerable and endangered species still out there. So not entirely in vain.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy Something even the nutters chasing cryptids can contribute to if they get the chip off their shoulders about scientists and Government conspiracies.

Exactly

They sure can be.. I hope for the same.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy Then come the most destructive of all, the urban sanctimonious one

Much appreciated! I loved working on this. Ivory-billed woodpeckers, Mexican grizzlies and Baiji are some off the top of my head.

It's sickening how quickly humanity can wipe out a species. It only took us 15 years to eradicate Stellars Sea Cow, and we reduced the elephant seal population to less than 100 individuals in just 20.

@@WobblesandBean While humans are breeding out of control biodiversity will continue to crash.

They were one of my inspirations to doing something about all the extinctions we as a species have caused. This channel is a starting point for that. :)

Thank you! :D

That is definitely a big factor. Quite a lot of that was focussed on in the later discussed study, and the reliability of the sightings, although some are definitely better than others.

No, based on my experience in Tasmania following up on sightings are because people thought the saw thylacines.

@@davida.4933 So, cryptid syndrome?

Many thanks, Steve!

I didn't know about the possibilities of the Honshu wolf, I just searched and heard that howl and saw those incredible photos!!

Absolutely...

Always good to have in the back. :)

Not entirely unlikely. The Saola are a pretty good example.

I hope so too! Thank you so much for watching!

Disease and competition are the usual major causes of decline. Competition includes things like farming competing for habitat, or urban development & recreation (like tourist development) destroying it. Such activities can benefit some species though. Rats, maybe possums etc.

I really hope so.

How it’s currently organised, yes.

We can absolutely do better.

They more than likely would. Hunting really brought their numbers down when they were already low.

There weren't trophy thylacine hunters. Hunting always gets blamed, but the largest impetus was the opposite of hunting - agriculture.

@@davida.4933 There was a lucrative bounty as an incentive to kill them.

There's certainly a few! We'll just have to wait and see. As well as keeping on looking for all of the Aussie folks!

There are many places even here in Victoria and NSW that are difficult to get access to, recent bushfires we had more or less proved this even in populated areas. And while there is little chance we would have them only in one tiny location we do have many creatures that are just that - tiny pocket populations. Creatures like bilbies, numbats, quolls, ground parrots, lead beaters possums, platypuses, helmeted honey eater, pookila - many other native rodents are all located in tiny pockets fighting to stay alive from loss of habitat, predators ect that there is plenty of evidence to suggest Thylacines could possibly still be out there. There are many species thought to be exisinct that have cropped up all of a sudden again too because people just couldn't access where they were hiding. It's a super slim chance but stranger things have occured. (I have a big thick book on native rodents of Australia, people think the only mice and rats here are introduced ones and that's not the case at all, many natives get mistaken for the feral pests and many on the verge of extinction. There are so many animals that miss out on getting much needed protection because they're not cute big or cool and frankly that's a damn shame, especially when many threatened species are tiny things that once gone the rest of the food chain in that environment falls apart without.)

@@meikahidenori I live in British Columbia Canada and there are large areas where no humans even go. Jane Goodall was here once and she told kids not to ever think everything has been discovered and to keep being curious. There are a lot of weird anomalies and adaptations that exist in nature that make survival of different things possible .. and despite the hype and branding from some, we humans don't know everything. Some people have spent their entire lives in the bush and never once seen a wolverine or a fisher, but they're still out there. There are simply some unknown factors we don't know about life.

accepted***** by the scientific community the family next to the farm

Australians dont have ranches so theres that story debunked straightaway.

He sure was a goober. Rest in peace...

Naturalist : if only thylacines were still alive Thylacines : i told you woman I'm right here

I lean towards that side on their survivability, although there's still a part of me that isn't giving up hope on them just yet. The next few years of searching will really be key. The camera trapping also helps out in understanding more about other Tasmanian wildlife, so even if no Thylacine are found, the results when it comes to other animals will still be useful regardless.

Potentially... That's about what I think currently.

About zero huh? You obviously haven't researched this.

@@davida.4933 Reality is a problem for those who can't handle drugs. Experts followed by trails of empty beer cans being an example.

And yet not one ever gets hit by a car.

Lots and lots of reports... but no bodies, photos, recordings or fur samples. Sorry man... Tasmania isn't big enough to hide a predator this big for this many years.

If they are still there, it's worth keeping in mind that the areas where they're thought to be surviving have next to no human presence, and is sometimes the case on some of the outskirts in the southern part of the state.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy thanks for the information I love this channel. I'd like to think they still exist too.

@@ericvulgate actually there is at least one account of a thylacine road kill.

Tasmania is in Australia, not NZ.

@@generaldissatisfaction5397 oof, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention

@@generaldissatisfaction5397 no it’s not. I’m Australian and can confirm we don’t want it.

@@Freshbott2 Ha!

@@Freshbott2 Well I am Australian and can confirm we do.

Thanks! All the sources in the description to read into what I discussed in more detail. :)

Absolutely! Some of the cloning projects look promising, but a good amount of that is a long ways off, if it's indeed possible. I have hope they'll be some good results, but we'll just have to see. Genetics research has cost and logistics wise been a lot cheaper and more efficient due to technological breakthroughs, so there's potential!

I hope so too, as unlikely as it is. It would be such an incredible experience.

It does. Given the country is well populated with foxes and wild dogs, at a proportion of near infinity to likely zilch, then count up the number of those exotics you've actually seen and do the maths. There are plenty of attempts to label photos/films of them as thylacines however, and some of these are enough to look twice. One recent one had a tabby cat being given thylacine species status, and its age and gender defined. Which shows what imagination and delusion can produce.

I’ll definitely have to look into those.

We'll have to see on that. :)

RIP indeed...

Similar processes, but still different.

A lot of the western and southern parts of the island are still to this day very remote, and there's not a lot of infrastructure, so anyone encountering one is bound to be very rate. New Guinea is also very unexplored, so if there's none left in Tasmania, it's not at all impossible for some to be up there still.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy I know enough about New Guinea from reading WWII stories to believe reports of just about anything living in the central jungle. Talk about impenetrable, even to this day.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy The critical factors are probably competition & disease. The disease has probably run its course, competition will be ongoing. Wild dogs and cats. Whether wild dog packs exist now , or did in the past would likely cause the same decline as dingoes on the mainland. It is possible wild dogs established, increased to the stage they greatly reduced terrestrial prey to the extent they effectively self eradicated (this has happened elsewhere). And such dynamics can go nearly unrecorded, as in NZ. Modern extinction records have little if any reference to that highly destructive part of invasive predator history. Early sheep farmers kept the wild dogs under control (got rid of them) around their farms.

our population centres are all pretty small but packed into 3 main areas. The vast majority, even the parts that aren't protected forest, are still quite dense bush, river and mountain environments. We have one main highway system, with no road access between the south and the west coast. The places they have been seen near roads have a very low amount of traffic. Basically outside of our 4 little cities, it's all bush. Once you've seen some of the Tasmanian bush you'd begin to realise how vast, uninhabited and wild it still is. I think it's highly likely they are still out there.

Seems likely...

The minimum viable population theory has been well tested by introductions of exotic species to foreign lands, and the recovery of near extinct birds. Has been successful in both scenarios with less than 10 specimens.

But then they'd have to rely on some form of small marsupials for XP and it's unlikely their prey still exists. Also, animals leave shed fur and poo behind as loot. This phenomena of players dodging banhammers or suddenly reviving after having quit the server is also an exception not the rule. Finally, remember Thylacines are not exactly small either.

@@jeffreygao3956 Unlikely? Smaller marsupials are virtually EVERYWHERE over there. You can't always tell what something is by the poo it left behind, and shed fur can easily be blown away by the wind. Explain how the South Island takahe of New Zealand, the Bornean subspecies of Sumatran rhinos, and the Fernandina giant tortoise suddenly appeared again without anyone having seen them prior. It all almost defies scientific explanation. The Lazarus effect works in seemingly supernatural ways. Besides, not everyone land on the planet has been fully explored, not even by robot probes due to how expensive that would be.

@MajorGalah They have plenty of food to hunt down and water to drink. Besides, purges of nonnative foxes, non-dingo dogs and feral cats happen every year. You can't just say what you said without backing it up.

@@wesmcinerny4524 By that logic, there's no proof for thylacine players actually being active in the meta. Also, the same arguments for thylacine survival get bootstrapped for ridiculous arguments like T. rex surviving in modern times which is beyond impossible.

@@jeffreygao3956 By what logic? The poo and fur thing? That was was supposed to open your mind to possibilities of why we seemingly have not found evidence of them still alive. Seemingly no physical evidence doesn't mean that there isn't any at all, you know. Tyrannosaurus? That's too extreme. That lives loooooooooooooooong before the thylacine - but then again, there's cryptids like the Mokele-Mbembe, but that's another story. You know, you still have to open your mind to possibilities. The Lazarus effect could possibly even happen with mammoths, mastodons, ground sloths, moas, sabretooths, and more. Also, you completely ignored what I said about the takahe, the rhinos in Borneo, and that kind of tortoise. Is it because I had an interesting point there and you just couldn't swallow your pride to think about the miraculous possibilities?

Pretty odd to think about considering I was born in 2001.

I don't care for the monarchy, at all, so I'm a lot more sad about these guys being gone, regardless.

@@HenrythePaleoGuy True, I guess in a way the Royal Family murdered the Thylacine.

@@MarkVrem Also true they have taken more steps than most to bring the problems of humanity vs the environment to the fore, theri position is clear, and while top dog doesn't direct politics the minions certainly give the topic political direction.

Fair enough. It could be more so how I conduct my vocal range, so I'll see on improving that. One of my front teeth is slightly longer than the other one, so that really makes the S' come across as a lot more harsh. I do apply a de-esser, so that could also be down to the recording volume being amplified a good deal. I'll look into all of this further so that it's more tolerable from here on. Thank you for the comment, and for watching!

@@HenrythePaleoGuy Thanks for the content! BTW, how much does the tooth work costs in the place you live? The prices might be surprisingly different depending on country etc. I have heard that ceramic capping can fix a tooth like this. They design the cap and make it out of ceramics. And then put it on the tooth, either via a screw or a sort of superglue that sets under ultraviolet light. I need some of the work like that on my teeth myself, but I do not currently have the money.

Not entirely! There is still a small, if low chance that they are.

I personally feel guilty, but I don't believe they are extinct

@@Tasmanaut I beg to differ in regards that you believe they are not extinct. the tasmanian government as way back as 1830 where paying a shilling for killing a pup to a £1 for an adult it was the greatest genocide on an innocent defenceless creature whose only crime was being born. guilty of a crime they never committed, killing sheep. Benjamin died of neglect and cruelty. I can only imagine what Benjamin last thoughts where before it froze to death, " what crime did I commit and my kind to deserve this" the reported sightings are either deliberate lies or a case of mistaken identity. case in point neil Waters he gets about 50k from his go fund me has published cameras, and let's be honest not all the 50k has been spent on cameras and what does the investors get for their money a photo of the head of a cat, I have challenge neil to go all the way to confirm once and for all their still out there here is a list of my suggestions place cameras both standard, night vision and thermo and the recorded sound of the tyhacine on every reported location, Google earth map go through that inch by inch ask as many people to help out. raise the go fund me to hire as many professional hot air balloon pilots to go to the dense parts of the jungle and release drones. or if possible land the drones to record any possible thylacine or land the hot air balloons and place the cameras there again with the record yap. get a plane with radar to fly over and scan those remote unexplored parts. chris Hemsworth has invested millions of pounds in the de extinction project. it shouldn't be a problem getting a wealthy investor to give neil Waters the same..those a some of my suggestions lets go all out to prove his argument not just place cameras then come back a couple off weeks later. am talking about an all out approach to gets this thing confirm once and for all..but he wont do it. maybe he's to afraid on what he will discover. the sad reality Is they extinct ,they where only protected when the last one Benjamin was lock up less then a month when it died of neglect a sick twist of irony from the tasmanian government and those tasmania people that massacred them into extinction. the American for example admit to their shame that they cause the extinction of the carrier pigeon and red woodpeckers they don't say ",oh I seen one just the other day!" all countries throughout the world have admitted their shameful past on the extinction of their edignious species. but it seems only for whatever reason Australia and in particular tasmania wont admit they wipe them off the planet, go to America you wont see a carrier pigeon bar where delusional people claim their still out there selling carrier pigeon theme pie. which I believe in tasmania there a bar that does that very thing ..I think that's sick beyond belief. so unless you can confirm 100 percent that's it still out there I stand by my statement. I got as much chance of seeing elvis Presley fucking a dodo up the arse then seeing a tasmania tiger..and that's fare dinkum.

There weren't trophy thylacine hunters. Hunting always gets blamed, but the largest impetus was the opposite of hunting - agriculture. Sheep farmers were the impetus for the bounties and undoubtedly killed many thylacines themselves and by proxy. They also used gun, traps, and poison; not to mention agriculture is a a leading cause of the loss of native habitat. And it is habitat loss that is arguably the largest loss of species not just in Australia, but virtually everywhere in the world. Let's also not forget forestry practices...I could go on an on but there are so many uniformed comments here, it would take a book...

@@davida.4933 still, all these recent extinctions were due to unnecessary human activity. Moderation is something our species seriously needs to learn if we hope to not wipe ourselves out.

Very quick! Your notifications must be very prompt.

Wait, you're saying it wouldn't be mysterious if they're still alive?

@@eviljoel They're alive; some of them. Certainly, the living ones are all 100% alive. Thus, the mystery of their extinction/existence is no mystery, what all.👍🏻👍🏻

@@nicksweeney5176 Ahhh, got any proof of that?

I agree. They are extant without a doubt. I have three sources to support this claim. 1 - Thylacines are too cute to be extinct. It would be too cruel if they all died. 2 - I want to pet a thylacine, and for me to do this, they must be extant. 3 - It was revealed to me in a dream that thylacines are still out there.

OK, which law would that be?

@@eviljoel The laws protecting them. One needs to be able to bring in a specimen to prove their survival.

@@2Hesiod That is decidedly not true. Reliable photographic evidence, and/or trace evidence (DNA samples like fur, scat, paw prints, bones with their teeth marks, etc) would all be more than enough to prove their existence, its more than we've ever had since their supposed extinction.

@@fafnir8714 My point is that perhaps the easiest and most probable way to get evidence may be to kill one.

@@2Hesiod Why on Earth would you think that would be easier than taking a single photo. Or shit, even just putting up a non-lethal trap?