When New York looked like Ancient Rome

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This video explores how Roman architecture and city planning shaped Manhattan.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:34 Streets of Manhattan
1:36 the Croton aqueduct
2:05 City Beautiful Neoclassicism
3:29 Mckim, Mead, and White
4:25 Classical infrastructure
5:11 Monuments
5:40 The anxiety of influence
6:40 Trade Coffee

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@toldinstone 2 ай бұрын

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@user-wi6cz4hh5b 2 ай бұрын

Hello do you know if a channel named Mystery History still exists? The creator was a hippy type of man.

@shaynewheeler9249 2 ай бұрын

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@bostonraymudfloodadventures 2 ай бұрын

I just stumbled upon your channel , what is your opinion on " Great Tartaria ???" Have you ever actually looked in to " Tartary???"

@rockutron9000 2 ай бұрын

The demolition of the original Penn Station is insanity.

@flochforster7864 2 ай бұрын

They hate our culture.

@peanut422hb 2 ай бұрын

Must have been high tech. The destroyers from the 1800's don't want us asking questions.

@thedarkenigma3834 2 ай бұрын

@@peanut422hbDoes this has to do with Tartaria or the Mud Flood?

@peanut422hb 2 ай бұрын

@@thedarkenigma3834 I don't know exactly, but something is very wrong. When limestone and marble are destroyed 50 years after building according to their script . Go back and look at this behemoth of a building. .

@craigr6842 2 ай бұрын

@peanut422hb These buildings were already here. New York is an ancient city

@actoraa 2 ай бұрын

I can't believe a building such as Penn Station was torn down.

@GabiN64 2 ай бұрын

Yeah that generation was crazy

@bobbo11357 2 ай бұрын

I agree. My Dad thought it was even more beautiful than Grand Central Station

@lornamorgan3575 2 ай бұрын

They did the same to Euston Station in London. Then, built that vile concrete box. All that's left is an entrance arch.

@jackthebro6548 2 ай бұрын

REBUILD PENN

@littlsuprstr 2 ай бұрын

Those people were poisoned by lead in the atmosphere from burning leaded gas and newsprint.

@antichristhater3440 2 ай бұрын

The US literally had an open canvas to make our country beautiful with elegant architecture and instead we defaulted to shit.

@craigr6842 2 ай бұрын

All stolen. Yes, that's correct. These were here.

@Layer67 2 ай бұрын

@@craigr6842ignorant comment every civilization in human history has used ideas and concepts from other civilizations to build architecture.

@NarasimhaDiyasena 2 ай бұрын

Yeah cause the J’s seized control via the Federal Reserve the same time we started making money, hijacking’s our ability to be something more than we are today.

@theFORZA66 2 ай бұрын

@@craigr6842the phone you types this brainrot from is also stolen

@wcsii 2 ай бұрын

Go back to Korea for that comment

@Littlegoatpaws 2 ай бұрын

When New York was truly at its peak. Maybe not in size but in splendor, relevance, and innovation.

@jamesleyda365 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Truly awesome!🗽

@robroy6374 2 ай бұрын

In my opinion NYC was at its peak from the 1960s to the 2000s

@espdtx4260 2 ай бұрын

All of these buildings were here before from a previous civilization they're in every city even little towns think about it they all have buildings that we can't build today and spent every war destroying evidence

@Littlegoatpaws 2 ай бұрын

During that 1960s to 1980s period so much went under the wrecking ball. Crime and decay rampant, depopulation, bankruptcy. It was rock bottom. It recovered some before 9/11, but it was never the same. Sort of like how Constantinople recovered after the Justinianic plague, but never with quite the same energy. At least that's kind of how I see it. @@robroy6374

@mgp1203 2 ай бұрын

@@robroy6374 Never been to the US but when I think about a US state in their peak from 1960's and onward, I think mainly of California. When I think of NewYork, I always picture the city imagery from 1980's or 2010's imagery.

@Thx1138sober 2 ай бұрын

My dad took me to NYC in 1964 at age 6. While there, he took to a huge hole in the ground ringed in plywood and said, "Son, you are looking at one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century."

@jotrem4877 2 ай бұрын

I’m so intrigued. What exactly was this “hole”

@hollister2320 2 ай бұрын

@@jotrem4877 Penn station 😢

@Ravum 2 ай бұрын

He took to it? Like he liked it?

@kettelbe 2 ай бұрын

He took me. i guess@@Ravum

@Vlaedx 2 ай бұрын

I don't understand this. Can you explain?

@druna4721 2 ай бұрын

I really love Roman/Greek architecture, wish we could see more buildings built in this style today.

@bastait 2 ай бұрын

yea we god damn know you want america to be europe

@ecurewitz 2 ай бұрын

Won’t happen, it’s too expensive

@nathanventura548 2 ай бұрын

They're pretty but unoriginal at this point. Most architecture in the 21st century is mass produced, including classically styled buildings.

@robertozeladarodriguez5321 2 ай бұрын

@@ecurewitz Not really they are not much more expensive than a modern building, unless you want everything to be marble, on average I read that it is between 3% more expensive.

@ecurewitz 2 ай бұрын

@@robertozeladarodriguez5321 perhaps, but the builders still don’t want to spend any extra money if possible

@kutter_ttl6786 2 ай бұрын

If anyone wants to get an idea of how it's like to walk in the waiting area of the old Penn Station, visit Ottawa in Canada. The Senate of Canada building was the former central train station, and the main waiting room was also inspired by the Baths of Caracalla. It looks almost exactly the same as the old Penn Station's, but in 3/4 scale.

@knightstar1312 2 ай бұрын

Interesting! I did go to Ottawa years ago. Are you referring to the interior of Parliament, the Senate section?

@ookie4179 17 күн бұрын

Pfffft nobody wants to see inferior 3/4 ottawian architecture

@andersonklein3587 2 ай бұрын

The brutalist designs that became more popular around 30-80 were pretty bad, but the Art Deco was not a downgrade, the Chrysler Building is still one of the most beautiful edifices in the entire world. Just saying.

@ccccaaal Ай бұрын

Brutalism emerged in the 50s

@mikejones7593 6 күн бұрын

The Chrysler Building was already there, we found it and started building around it. Same with the ESB. Built by the people who invented Steak Tartare.

@yesfredfredburger8008 2 ай бұрын

Misread the title as “What New York Looked Like In Ancient Rome” and thought I needed a little more sleep

@oliviabb73849 15 күн бұрын

Love it lol ❤

@timdella92 2 ай бұрын

I’m still mad about the demolition of Penn Station.

@ideatorx 2 ай бұрын

This is why I love Washington DC so much, its like being in a neoclassical dreamland, its stunning.

@777jones Ай бұрын

The Lincoln Memorial is my favorite structure in the US.

@FlyingAlfredoSaucer 13 күн бұрын

@@777jonesmine is the Jefferson Memorial

@skitsschist11 2 ай бұрын

Copying the architecture of Rome is cool, but we didnt have to copy their collapse too

@graciemaemarie11jones16 17 күн бұрын

they lasted 100 years. usa aint nothing

@caelin4174 17 күн бұрын

@graciemaemarie11jones16 youre double wrong lil bro

@jordanreeves6008 6 күн бұрын

usa torn down all the Hebrew buildings wake up they didn't make minority of them if they did there would be more but they cant copy god

@jordanreeves6008 6 күн бұрын

plus look at ww 2 or 1 all to rewrite history just look at the photos

@Username-2 2 күн бұрын

@@graciemaemarie11jones16 Do you struggle with math?

@subnormality5854 2 ай бұрын

'The Hidden Roman Design of New York City - KZfaq' Saving this original title for later

@paulkoza8652 2 ай бұрын

Nice job. Classical architecture abounds in New York. You just scratched the surface.

@RonPauldidnothingwrong 2 ай бұрын

The Manhattan Municipal Building is absolutely stunning in person. Me and a friend admittedly got very stoned in Thomas Pain Park/Foley Square in May 2022, and turned the corner to face the MMB with the setting sun gazing down on it indirectly from the west and it was the most grand looking building I've ever seen in my life at the moment. The bottom Roman-esque pillars with its Golden statue peak reflecting the sun were magnificent. Despite its faults NYC is an amazing megapolis worth exploring indepth.

@BLACCRAINBOW1997 2 ай бұрын

The US had many beautiful building, these were all taken down and replaced with "modern" architecture. Early architecture in the states was amazing and an inspiration to the ppl making America.

@SlapShotRegatta22 2 ай бұрын

"...and finally, in 2024 New York, the transition from the City Beautiful movement to the City Cesspool movement has been completed."

@jbug1979 2 ай бұрын

You can still visit the Croton Aqueduct. Parts of it have been preserved as historic sites and greenways for walking and biking. It's a pretty nice day trip, if you live close by.

@Rice_BaL 2 ай бұрын

I recently visited New York for a school trip and was amazed by the neoclassical architecture mostly around Times Square and the fashion district but it was pretty pretty much everywhere i went in manhattan

@user-rl3iv2jk9q 2 ай бұрын

12 March 2024 AD : After two fullll years or more , I remain a stout Told in Stone fan , looking forward to them every Friday . Very thsnk you Dr .Garrett Ryan .

@aalexander928 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so very much for this short and excellent video of neo-classical architecture in Manhattan. As a New Yorker I mourn the loss of so many of the exquisite structures depicted. It remained a beautiful city through the 1950's.

@matthewroth1299 2 ай бұрын

Your videos are always 10/10--not terribly long, extremely interesting, well-edited, and of course educational.

@crossfire7474 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing the podcast interview and your new book. Hope to look into it soon.

@reference2592 2 ай бұрын

Your videos are always sooo good. Thanks.

@BC-lo6rf 2 ай бұрын

Outstanding as always.

@GravityZx 2 ай бұрын

I really apreciate your work. Thank you!

@conrad4852 Ай бұрын

This was a fascinating & informative video. Thank you.

@dingjo5027 2 ай бұрын

what a great video, will watch it several times, I will need to research McKim, Mead, and White further, Thanks!

@johnsolo1701d 2 ай бұрын

Chicago too - in some ways more so!

@ipanonymously9503 2 ай бұрын

Way more

@JO3BID3N-is-a-P3D0 2 ай бұрын

the entire u.s.a and the rest of the world actually

@WitchKing-Of-Angmar Ай бұрын

Far more, more than you'd believe.

@777jones Ай бұрын

I took an architecture class that really focused on Chicago. Its rise was a bit later and better organized than Manhattan’s.

@danielwoods404 20 күн бұрын

I love that your videos do not have unnecessary background info or introduction.

@verandi3882 2 ай бұрын

great video, i love this channel

@thomasmacdonough288 2 ай бұрын

My father used to work at the (now defunct) Grand Prospect Hall, a beautiful 1903 Victorian style banquet hall in Brooklyn. Between my fascination with that building, and reading the Great Gatsby in HS, I found great admiration for early 20th century NYC and used it as a reference in art classes, so it's the version of the city I'm used to seeing. But whenever I see what they've done to the skyline in person, I feel disgusted. In the never ending tale of NYCs destruction, that aforementioned Grand Prospect Hall was torn down in 2022 to make way for an apartment block.

@pegcity4eva 29 күн бұрын

Just googled it. Damn shame.

@christiantaylor4027 2 ай бұрын

Most people don't see what's around them. I'm probably the same but I look at the architecture of small towns and big cities. It talks but only if you listen. Thanks for this vid.

@xXcangjieXx 2 ай бұрын

And the fun part is you only need to look, sometimes even the most mundane buildings can have amazing details. Just the other day I went inside a boring industrial building from the 50s but once inside the whole entrance lobby was covered from ceiling to floor in a beautiful green swedish marble.

@christiantaylor4027 2 ай бұрын

I agree. You never know. Great features turn up everywhere you look.@@xXcangjieXx

@kartos. 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning Philadelphia, it's tiring when William Penn's contribution to American city layouts gets ignored. Just look how Boston turned out

@OstiaNumismatics 2 ай бұрын

Love these videos. You should do one for Philly, we have a ton of great neoclassical buildings.

@Charlie-hv3dh 2 ай бұрын

Really cool channel man!! Love this lol!

@c0bra969 2 ай бұрын

I wish youd do longer vids and more podcasts! Ive listened to them all 2 plus times! Channel is great.

@calebdoner 2 ай бұрын

And women wonder why we think about the Roman empire so much. It totally surrounds us.

@ackvevo 2 ай бұрын

Idk about you but I think about the Ming Dynasty little bro

@princejaxisblack8789 2 ай бұрын

who’s we? you French or sumn? 💀 I don’t think about a particular European empire

@timothymatthews6458 Ай бұрын

@@ackvevo The Ming was inferior the the Qin and Han. It was a relatively weak dynasty because the aristocracy was eliminated centuries prior.

@ackvevo Ай бұрын

@@timothymatthews6458 based The Ming weren’t afraid of exploring the world either

@timothymatthews6458 Ай бұрын

@@ackvevo Um, when I said it was weak, I was not implying that it was a good thing. It is bad when a state is weak.

@colorays 2 ай бұрын

Off topic, but thank you for putting your ads at the end. KZfaq is so full of ads, and it is maddening to hear an add break after the first thirty seconds of a video.

@aurorathekitty7854 2 ай бұрын

Never been inside the city but drove past it couple times. Seeing it as I drove past was good enough for me

@lordbiro 2 ай бұрын

Always great these vids 😊❤ thanks. Now hurry up with the next !! 😂😂

@Oscar-zi2pp 2 ай бұрын

My favorite piece of neoclassical architecture in NYC is the Con Ed building near union square. It is so grand on the skyline and feels larger than life! Great video as always

@AmericaandWorldArchitectureCha 2 ай бұрын

super video, thank you

@JJ__ 2 ай бұрын

“the anxiety of influence” - another Bloom fan? love that book

@PerennialAWL 2 ай бұрын

I guess that’s why they call it “The Big Ap-Palaiologos”

@robroy6374 2 ай бұрын

😂

@endrawes0 2 ай бұрын

New Yorker here. Not sure how new Tom's is but love the Seinfeld reference! Also I be was hiking the Old Croton Aqueduct trail just this weekend! Amazing feat for it's time

@akombalasau4022 23 күн бұрын

I'm so Fascinated of the past architectures.

@martinfernandez882 2 ай бұрын

I long for the prewar New York cityscape, so beautiful.

@YadraVoat 2 ай бұрын

I suppose this finally explains the state nickname "The Empire State."

@williamsullivan3967 2 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this. Thanks!!

@jorgemaza8142 2 ай бұрын

Stunning

@oO-_-_-_-Oo 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating.

@squidmeta 2 ай бұрын

Wake up honey, new toldinstone video

@zachesherman 2 ай бұрын

And she immediately throws the pillow in your face “why do you always think about the Roman Empire?”😂

@1Rab 2 ай бұрын

@@zachesherman Are you in NC?

@zachesherman 2 ай бұрын

@@1Rab ummmm.... no. Why do you ask?

@into_the_void 2 ай бұрын

Im up . .... Im up .. jeeZ

@Winkle-Dinkle 2 ай бұрын

IT’S BABE YOU RAPSCALLION

@jileel 2 ай бұрын

Many old structures in L.A. still stand, although our current civilization isnt wise or wealthy enough to care for them.

@oliviabb73849 15 күн бұрын

Can you * please * do an extended length on this or something of similar nature ❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊

@saxophonistballerina 3 күн бұрын

U cool for sponsoring in the end

@prototropo 2 ай бұрын

My favorite reminder of classical grace in public architecture is Bethesda Fountain in Central Park. Small in scale but vast in evocation, it never fails to send my thoughts winging to the ancient shores of a more eloquent, noble idea of civilization.

@ns7353 2 ай бұрын

Don’t fail to mention the significant of ley lines ! The free masons would want them remembered

@TrailBlazer5280 2 ай бұрын

Some of the old destruction was bad planning or negligence, but much of it was an intentional attack on our society. These were meant to remove beautiful things and heritage from our daily lives so we the workers would become indifferent to our surrounding. Be ok with moving often and prevent us from establishing community and pride.

@jhfdhgvnbjm75 2 ай бұрын

I wish the city beautiful movement had lasted, or better was still with us :(

@StirlingCookie 2 ай бұрын

I watch your videos every night before bed. I look forward to it every night.

@Dano12345100 2 ай бұрын

New York still looks like Rome but of course it looks like Rome one century after the fall.

@jordanreeves6008 6 күн бұрын

cause it is Hebrew people where in slaved why do u think they say rome was built in one day

@Vlad_the_inhaler69 4 күн бұрын

@jordanreeves6008 they say it wasn't built in a day that's the quote tf you mean Hebrew slaves? .

@jpvansplunder 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely fantastic video. I love the voiceover and over-all style.

@pavopija 2 ай бұрын

Rome and NYC are my two favorite cities I visited. Coincidentally, while not having visited that many cities around the world, I think they are the two greatest urbanistic achievements of mankind.

@tafutokuta2344 2 ай бұрын

The past had so much more class and respect to form

@WinstonSmithGPT 2 ай бұрын

As the city decivilizes into complete collapse, unfortunately neoclassical architecture won’t leave ruins as picturesque as the original.

@FuNPUNFun777 2 ай бұрын

Nice bro

@olivere5497 2 ай бұрын

'We wuz Caesars n shieeeeeeeet!'

@yodasmomisondrugs7959 2 ай бұрын

😆

@canadianmmaguy7511 2 ай бұрын

We wuz kangz

@canadianmmaguy7511 2 ай бұрын

We sold other kangz to whites

@solar_warden81 2 ай бұрын

😂

@akhripasta2670 2 ай бұрын

Every Germanik ever Look at Notsee parliament logo, Holy "Roman" "Empire" US "Senate"

@richardpchaseii5084 2 ай бұрын

A lot of beautiful buildings in Boston/Cambridge, by McKim, Mead and White, too. I'm not sure who was responsible, but one of the oldest buildings, at MIT, sure qualifies as "Romanesque"!

@markvenaglia1548 2 ай бұрын

Positively thrilled you've referenced, often, City Beautiful! Are you on gram?

@Trebor-17 2 ай бұрын

Andrea Palladio 🇮🇹 "Father of American Architecture"

@zbs8334 2 ай бұрын

Is there any signs of Roman influence in Milwaukee?

@s_mau6902 2 ай бұрын

if you haven’t seen it already, the old northwestern mutual insurance building is a really cool and great building with an obvious neoclassical influence, but it looks like most of milwaukee’s influence is german

@waxonwaxofffg3768 2 ай бұрын

Torn down to hide the past.

@dbyspae122 2 ай бұрын

Tartaria the way you think of it never happened bud

@joecool9739 2 ай бұрын

@@dbyspae122 Tartaria was the name given to the Eurasian Steppes by Medieval historians It was inhabited by Tatars and it was a hellish wasteland In Greek "Tartarus" was the name for hell...Medieval historians were fluent in Greek and Latin Not hard to see why they called that land Tartaria

@jesusisking8502 2 ай бұрын

Obviously.

@Svenburchard 2 ай бұрын

@@dbyspae122 They say many of these buildings took a year to build. It doesn't need to be tartaria to be suspecious.

@Poisson4147 Ай бұрын

@@Svenburchard The Empire State Building took less than 18 months. There's MOUNTAINS of evidence documenting how it was done. Hard work and loads of planning can do all sorts of incredible things. Nothing "suspecious" [suspicious] about it if you understand anything about project planning.

@sophiaoconnell1927 2 ай бұрын

There’s a lot of places where you can still catch the vibe to be honest especially around lower midtown and Wall Street. There’s even some Babylonian looking buildings with wild stone work.

@turtleanton6539 Ай бұрын

Oh thats so interesting 🎉

@bentationfunkiloglio 2 ай бұрын

I buy my coffee beans directly from a local roaster. Can't ever go back to store bought beans! Getting coffee within a week or two of it's roasting is absolutely critical if one wants to achieve maximum coffee lovers' bliss, aka a coff-gasm.

@canadianmmaguy7511 2 ай бұрын

Gay

@bentationfunkiloglio 2 ай бұрын

@@canadianmmaguy7511 Appreciate your interest but I only like women. Cheers.

@canadianmmaguy7511 2 ай бұрын

@@bentationfunkiloglio cheers

@CDLuminous 2 ай бұрын

My town has a coffee roaster. We can never tell if the smell is coffee roasting, a skunk or someone smoking a blunt.

@bentationfunkiloglio 2 ай бұрын

@@CDLuminous Must be roasting beans for Starbucks.

@ejakobs9881 2 ай бұрын

We need a city beautiful movement back, big time.

@nwilt7114 2 ай бұрын

Now we have giant twig skyscrapers that are eyesores in the city skyline.

@andrejr.2001 2 ай бұрын

I really love Roman and Greek Architecture. I wish there were more splendid architecture like that today

@froodsmash 2 ай бұрын

RIP old Penn Station

@hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156 2 ай бұрын

I for one would be very curious to see a comparative analysis of American "Civil Cult" and Roman traditional religion. Temples to Jupiter, temples to Lincoln and Jefferson. Etc.

@susannewcomer9614 2 ай бұрын

The center pf Washington, DC does has an ancient Roman atmosphere, and I think a time travelling Roman would think that the Lincoln Memorial was a temple to an emperor/god.

@Blackadder75 2 ай бұрын

Trump cult as well

@robertbobbypelletreaujr2173 2 ай бұрын

The sickness makes them incapable of going more than a few minutes without mentioning him. It usually only infects disturbed, malicious,loserly types.

@Potacintvervs 2 ай бұрын

@@susannewcomer9614 I don't feel that this is by mistake. Lincoln is the forever dictator of the Democratic Party. He has achieved apotheosis, and his authoritarian rule over the United States sets him along the likes of great leaders before him, like Genghis Khan, or Julius Caesar, himself. Lincoln is worshipped like a god, and while he does not receive sacrifices, the rest of the tropes still apply.

@kendavid4386 2 ай бұрын

Nice.

@MBP1918 2 ай бұрын

What a time it was

@wauliepalnuts6134 2 ай бұрын

Novum Eboracum

@knightstar1312 2 ай бұрын

Interesting latin translation

@user-ie4tt1xp7j 2 ай бұрын

WE WUZ ROMANS ET FECES

@seldenification 2 ай бұрын

JULIUS SEEZUH WUZ BLACK

@Mai-Gninwod Ай бұрын

Racist?

@seldenification Ай бұрын

@@Mai-Gninwod 🥹

@Blox117 17 күн бұрын

lmao

@CanYouDigItMan Ай бұрын

Old school is the best school. True for almost everything.

@Avraham420 2 ай бұрын

As always, an interesting video with cool facts that enrich what I knew. Can't wait to visit New York again and look for the hidden Roman architecture!

@virgiliotopolino3928 2 ай бұрын

You dont not forgotten the villa pamphili in Pompei like to San Francisco other Manhattan!❤

@Aboriginal_American_Hebrew 2 ай бұрын

New world is the Old world of ancient times

@youtubegoogleb 2 ай бұрын

The glory days

@PopeLando 2 ай бұрын

Penn Station based on the Baths of Caracalla. Oh, *that* paragon of virtue!

@ronthesinger 21 күн бұрын

Francis Ford Coppola now has an upcoming film titled "MEGALOPOLIS", an epic Roman fable set in a fantastical New York City. :)

@whoami8752 2 ай бұрын

I don't think "modern" when I think New York, I think of decay and rot.

@ingold1470 2 ай бұрын

Interesting that the beautiful buildings that so many contrast with the glass towers of today and the brutalist nonsense of 50 years ago were the result of a short-lived concerted effort.

@JDimitrius433 2 ай бұрын

heyyyy! Hamilton! I was lucky to see that live, wonderful play

@betterwithcheddar5698 26 күн бұрын

Pretty salty that i was born before having the chance to visit the original penn station. At least we still have grand central!😊

@SJam491 2 ай бұрын

Penn Station still exists, but it's entirely underground now. What stands above it is Madison Square Garden.

@APAL880 2 ай бұрын

Madison Square Garden was also built by that same great firm that designed the old Penn Station. But that was demolished too in place of the cheap brown concrete mess called MSG.

@DukeoftheAges 2 ай бұрын

yeah but the building above ground needs to be brought back