What if it was supposed to be too fast.. or too slow.. Rachmaninoff wasn't always very clear about his markings.

@@alanpotter8680 True, IK, but in my opinion is a nice tempo, some pianist play too fast for me

😊 in terms of an appropriate and wonderful tempo is very hard to define, like pornography (please pardon this analogy), you will know it when you hear it! As a professional classical guitarist, it seems my first reaction to pieces that I am familiar with played by another is first with regard to the tempo choice. In a way, I think it is the most important decision which effectively communicates one's own artistic version of what they consider getting the most out of what the composer intended. Interpretation, therefore, is driven by this decision, and in a certain way, in retrograde! Sort of a chicken and egg thing!

Rachmaninoff played this movement so quick. I don't know what version I prefer. Both are great. That's the wonder of music...

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Every single Rach concerto brings its immense weight and charm along... The 2nd one is simply overplayed, overmediarized (yes, I made it up) and simply it's everywhere on concert programmes. I'd rather hear more of his 4th original versions being played.... His 4th is an extension to all his sonatas, that are simply out of this world.

It is extreme beautiful and played by masterly Zimmerman is absolutely sublime.

I agree but I return to it ocassionally because it is such a stunning piece of music and I like to hear different players do it.

Or a pianist I prefer? 🎼🎹🎹

wow it's just clickbait calm down

I bet you rather Lang Lang

@@gabrielsaavedrapina9215 Lang Lang is a prodigy, he can play a Chopin etude with an orange, he has good bonds with his father (even performing with him) and he is a very emotional and expressive pianist. Don't expect that people would flock to Zimmerman while leaving Lang Lang in the dust. Lang Lang is an excellent pianist, but Zimmerman is also one too. But using Lang Lang as an insult to make someone look like an "NPC" is immature as fuck.

@@gabrielsaavedrapina9215 it's clear you don't know what actual skill is. people in the classical community who are immature and not very smart often value how niche or unknown a composer or performer or work is rather than the actual skill or talent someone has. "oh you like [insert performer]? well [insert other performer] is better and your performer sucks!"... yeah I bet you feel really special and superior now lol.

You may not know that when Zimmerman performed at Disney Hall several years ago, he came out in the second half and told the audience how terrible America is!!! His playing was dreadul all night--he pounded the piano and rushed everything because he thought American audiences were too stupid to notice. He changed the second half of the program and instead played Polish military marches! He certainly has no problem cashing American checks. We made his international career, and he rewarded us by basically telling Americans to go to hell. He doesn't deserve to be listened to at all anymore. The beautiful, young pianist he once was is gone forever. I wrote about this incident in the Los Angeles Times, and it got published, so I know what I am talking about.

Encore un commentaire d'un frustré qui se prend pour un musicien...

​@@maestro7PLNever did get why all the commotion.

@@maestro7PL Could you post a link to what you wrote about this in the LA Times, and also one to the review of this concert if there was one? Thanks.

​@@maestro7PL I mean, it may be a pretty immature way to express it, but I understand why he holds a grudge. When he came to the US to perform a concert in 2006, the TSA destroyed his custom-made personal piano because they were worried it might be used to smuggle explosives. His stake as a Pole in certain US foreign policy decisions probably doesn't make his outlook any rosier.

I’ve noticed that as people mature in life Rach 3 seems to become peoples favourite.

@@worldmusictheory Very true, but the week before I heard Yunchan Lim do 3, I still preferred 2

Although i much prefered no.2 than 3, 3 is another big masterpiece ofc!

I was first introduced to Rachmaninoff as a teen. I recall my first recording - a Red Seal album which was by far the most expensive record I purchased back in the late 70’s. I prized that recording of Rach’s third concerto. And where his second is unquestioned beauty, it is his third piano concerto that I find most revolutionary. It is a challenge for new listeners to appreciate and daunting for new performers. But it’s allure is true for the experienced ear.

Martha Argerich did it for me. I'll check out Lim but so far IMO she owns the third.

absolutely.

Richter Rach #2 is also one of the great concerto recordings of all time

Agree

I’ll check it out. My favourite is Chopins Bacarolle by far.

Not gonna happen! Remember, this is KZfaq! 🎼🎹🎹 🎶🎶

What unfortunate comment

Shutup 😂 its not free when you see some ads

Ugh！

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lmfaooo rekt

Not many people could write music like Rach, did Arrau write anything to compare to this?

I disagree with Arrau although I have several of his recordings.

Eric Carmen uses the melody in "All By Myself"

Barry Manilow wrote lyrics and sung to the Rachmaninov theme.

prokofiev no.2 and 3 are also my top7 list

And the Prokoviev 2 sure doesn't sound like Beethoven 5 to me. ;)

Guys, Medtner's piano concertos rules

Ah fringe composer who was a grandmaster of form but lacked Rachmaninov's talent for memorable melodies. Which is why no one ever listens to his stuff. And that's why his works can't be the greatest.@@teodorb.p.composer

@@Quotenwagnerianer Wouldn't use the word "memorable" for what Medtner's melodies supposedly lacked. You really don't have to look far whatsoever in his oeuvre to find incredibly catchy melodies (see HIS second piano concerto, B theme of the first movement, op. 17 no. 1, his sonata-ballade, sonata romantica, skazka op. 26 no. 1, skazka op. 51 no. 3, etc. etc. etc.). Honestly, even a cursory glance of his catalogue of works would've revealed to you how silly (and yet common) a criticism this is. But I digress. Maybe you meant the "grandeur" or "it-factor" was always present for Rachmaninoff, but not for Medtner, which is fair. Rachmaninoff's soaring melodies that seem to last for literal pages would do horribly if subjected to the same obsessive melodic transformations, diminutions, and augmentations that Medtner was so adept at. Two different composing philosophies.

for sure

lol right?! 😊

@@melonica90 Richter? Horowitz? Rubinstein? Gilels? Rachmaninoff? Cortot? Cziffra? Michelangeli? Arrau?

@@JamesMGarrenismeListen to Richter’s Rachmaninoff Concerto 2

Don't be mad bro, I know it's actually One of the greatest

I did

calm thyself, sweetpea, you didn't answer the phone when they were making the determination, so they let luke9947 be the judge

​@@luke9947 lol

@@Marcel_Audubon Now listen, Marcellino piccolo, nobody needs neither luke-so-and-so's judgement nor your own little opinion about great concertos and great pianists. Get that into your small pin's head and go out for a large breath of fresh air, it'll do you a lot of good.

@@luke9947 Oh, YOU did ? Gospel word, then. Oyez, oyez, people of the earth luke 9947 has judged, let this be engraved in marble and bronze, world without end !

Oh, bologna!

Composer

Not the greatest but one of them✌🏻

Which one is the greatest then? I personally love this one to heart, especially the 2nd and 3rd movement.

@@MarcoReus1109everyone have their own taste man mine is the brahms 2

The greatest ever to be turned into a top ten pop song.

Beethoven 5

actually for clickbait. tbh my favorite concerto are Busoni's Piano Concerto and Brahms Piano Concerto No.2

@@melonica90 i prefer Schumann's and Scriabin's but OK

​@@oritdrimer4354Scriabin good, Schuman meh, i like the last movement thou

@c05.63 Scriabin??? It is like a fake Chopin...I am not sure if Scriabin really knew how write a concerto

@@PP-wp2bx I will say quite the opposite. That Chopin is a fake Scriabin

다소 자극적이긴 한데 성공적이었던거 같습니다 ㅎ 물론 "가장 위대한"이라는 제목은 어그로가 맞으나 짐머만/라흐 2번 모두 각각 훌륭한 명피아니스트/명 피아노 협주곡인것은 사실이지만 ㅋㅋ

@@melonica90 인정합니다ㅎㅎ

Up! High! Highest! eh? I dunno, that’s deep.

many would agree it

Music is not about the technical difficulties of the work. In that case, for example, Paganini would be far superior to Mozart, Chopin's Nocturnes would not be particularly "great," and Godowsky's etudes would be the cream of the cream. 😉😇

Sure, you play it better than Zimerman

@@luke9947 C’mon. I NEVER said I could play it better than Zimmerman. I’m a retired doctor. My point is the astonishing fact that (probably) hundreds of people around the Globe can play it. Please don’t put words in my mouth. If I were good enough to become an artist, I might have done it. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

John Ogdon from the 60's is better. Seen him play it live, too!

I think it's a good idea to refrain from such arrogant critisisme about a pianist who does exactly the opposite of what you're blaming him for. Keep working on developing cognitive faculties..there' always hope.

@@thepianocornertpc there are 2 Gods here! Or are they the same, humble one? Mystery!

Kissin? Now you’re talking!!!

ashkenazy for me

Cziffra ❤🎉🎉

You were fortunate! Have you any recordings on the market?

Agreed, almost feels like they’re way back in the mountains and the piano is right in front of you.

@@thegoodgeneral That's why I'd rather listen to Richter/Wislocki or Weissenberg/Karajan (even though Karajan has his tendency to slow the tempo too much). Rachmaninoff had a great orchestrator talent that needs to be honored.

What genuine creativity of the orchestral part ? Rachmaninoff's concerti have among the most uninteresting and badly written/orchestrated orchestral parts among all well known romantic piano concerti

@@arielorthmann4061 According to you. I personaly find it excellent.

You are my hero. no joke!

It's rach 2, mvt 2 as mentioned in the video's description - starting from bar 119. The description also has a tagged music video from Zimerman's rach 1-2 album and it does match the audio, it's easy to figure that they are the same from his rubato and use of dynamics.

Read the Description.

Both concertos are masterpieces, but the Rach3 has the composer bearing his soul, expressing a lot of the tragedy he was feeling, and if you know his story it makes sense. It is dark, it is full of raw emotions, and at times he finds moments of resolution. I listened to it about 20 times and then got completely hooked. You've got to be prepared to go on the journey of self-discovery with him. Good luck.

We’ll watch for your performance at Carneige Hall. It’s sure to be a ‘Sold Out’ concert. Scalpers everywhere! 🎼🎹🎹🎶🎶🎶

hoping to see you here lmao

What is the point of a comment like this? You can't possibly mean this is inadequate in some way. Besides, music isn't a competition. You can like different interps.

So Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 is on the same level like Domino's Pizza? Name a better one

@@philinh9169Beethoven no 4

@@philinh9169Rach 3

Greatest is subjective of course. Beethoven 4 is great, as is Mozart 20, Schumann, Saint-Saens 2 for example. All have their special moments and are compositions of the highest order just like Rachmaninov 2 or 3.

@@philinh9169 Brahms 1, Brahms 2, Schumann, Tchaikovsky 1, Tchaikovsky 2, Tchaikovsky 3, Beethoven 1, Beethoven 2, Beethoven 3, Beethoven 4, Beethoven 5, Bartok 1, Bartok 2, Bartok 3, Ravel G, Ravel left Hand, Prokofiev 1, Prokofiev 2, Prokofiev 3, Prokofiev 4, Prokofiev 5, Poulenc, Scriabin, Stravinsky, Schönberg... I can go on for a while if you want. Basically any concerto by someone who knew how do a proper orchestration. Yes, Rachmaninoff's piano concerti, just like Chopin's, are on the same level as Domino's Pizza.

it doesn't imply that, but you saying so implies you're a dope

@@Marcel_Audubon luckily this “dope” has found someone to direct and correct him. Please explain the correct way to interpret the meaning of these words. I’m so grateful that someone is here to tell that I’m a dope and educate me. I love it when random people on the internet insult me. It makes them feel so much better, and makes me feel so terrible and little. Hey look at me everyone - I’m a broken man. Marcel’s staggering intellect has crushed me like an ant.

@@whoisthispianist194I'm not here to educate you, just to tell you you're a dope. You'll have to educate yourself, and please do it before commenting again.

wrong

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We can talk about other Piano Concertos but this explains about the entire life of the world

Come on Boris! Wilhelm Kempff and Emil Gilels more colorful beautiful piano sound than Arrau! The Greatest are Really=Artur Rubinstein(The God!) Emil Gilels( The King Pianist!) Sviatoslav Richter( the Genius!) Grigory Sokolov( The Giant Of Piano! The Titan Of Piano!) Radu Lupu( the most colorful piano sound!) Wilhelm Kempff( the most beautiful piano sound!) Solomon Cutner( the best structure for music!) Krystian Zimerman is a dull boring Robot! Zimerman his Grieg concerto with Karajan have cold dry piano sound! Zimerman his Brahms piano concerto no 1 with Bernstein had the most boring mechanical dull first movement coda!

@RaineriHakkarainen I'd add Stephen Hough in there. I know he's not fashionable to mention but he never performs anything which isn't technically brilliant and interpretatively outstanding.

@@RaineriHakkarainen The greatest pianist of all time is Hansi Wurst, born in 2357. And the greatest piano concerto has not yet been composed. Please be patient, it will be time for it after the next ice age. And of course, Bernstein is an ignoramus - how can he work with Zimerman?

‘comparison is the thief of joy’

@@clarkelliott5389 a fine and wise comment / I hate this idiotic "Playing the Jury" in search of the GOAT

Come now, it might be "schlock" but it is a composition of real genius. One of the greatest 20th century pieces of music in any genre.

What do you mean by "emotional schlock"? Explain

My grandfather was American, I’m not, but as an outsider I completely understand why he won’t go to the USA. I certainly won’t visit again until the orange man is gone.

Nope actually the Rach 2 is objectively the best concerto and Zimmerman is objectively the #1 rated pianist of all time in all 14 categories.

@@TylerHumphrey05 Thank you, God, for having shared you OBJECTIVE, humble point of view with poor humans like myself. I really appreciate it!

However Zimmerman is not Rachmaninoff by any stretch. Listen to Rachmaninoff play this movement. There is no number 1 pianist of all time as Zimmerman can be a bit eccentric and what about Kissin, Agerich, and Hough? sorry Christian, you're good but not the top of the heap.@@TylerHumphrey05