picture this - Greta Gerwig's Dune

Peter Jackson (in his prime)

david fincher, darren arronofsky, the wachowkis, guillermo del toro, alex garland. Or give david lynch or jodorowsky another chance. Also in the anime field i could see Satoshi Kon or hideaki anno. If we did get another dune adaptation I think it should be something unique, either animation or a significantly more psychedelic live action project. After messiah we could maybe get a chance of seeing another directors vision, whether as more movies or maybe a series.

Dune is a story set in the politics of the elite-- could definitely see a Gurney Halleck Broadway show exploring the limits of being a poet soldier (with the balliset!)

@@dreat1527Fuck No

Every artist's worst nightmare.

Lynch was betrayed.

​@@Tommy1977777 Care to explain?

@Lyonessi lynch explains it better but basically he was signed on with one set of promises but as production continued the tools he was promised were slowly taken away (funding/script cuts,crunch time reductions, etc).

honestly I liked the lynch dune a lot, as it was nostalgic for me, but after hearing him so mad about it. I feel strange.

Time also plays a part here. Lynch's version came out over 30 years earlier and he didn't have the technology Denis has.

@@theviniso 1984 was 40 years ago, not 30.

@@ivoryowl I did say over 30.

@@ivoryowl You got pwn'd.

For the Lynch version, it wasn't the studio's fault, it was more like the producer/distributor, who controlled the budget & logistics. The production house (Universal) was the one who cut the movie down to its final decided 2.25 hours, rather than staying with the 3-4 hours it was planned for. Actually Dune 1984 was initially planned to be 2 or 3 separate movies during the preplanning stages in the late 1970's after Jodorowsky's project/version got canned. Villeneuve's 2021 version REDEEMS the movie splitting idea that the 1984 version did not get to have due to production meddling, because again, the production house controlled a lot of things. As someone said earlier, progressing movie technology played a big role. In 1984, mature realistic 3D CGI wasn't a thing yet, so they had to use a lot of human resource to create stage backdrops. This includes carpenters, masons, electricians, ironworks, stuff like that, not to mention the supplies (lumber, steel etc) required. Plus the aforementioned time put in to build all that. Had they used CGI, the production budget could have been relatively smaller & thus budget would have been less of a concern for the producer. That is why modern movies use CGI more than traditional construction, to overcome expense in both time & supply. This includes scale modeling, like using digital spaceships in CAD instead of plastic models. There was also a slight delay because Ridley Scott had to bow out as initial director, so that is why they brought in Lynch as a next/secondary choice. Gurney's main actor also had to be fired (alcoholism), so they brought in Patrick Stewart as a last-minute replacement, thanks to Lynch who spotted Patrick at a theater play he was doing, iirc. You could say that David helped jump-start Patrick's career even moreso in Hollywood, since we now know Patrick as Picard & Professor X... and of course also the 1st live-action Gurney. It was a serendipitous fluke or destiny for Stewart, perhaps. 04/21/24

Lynch is a guy who admits his wrongdoings and lives with them. Other directors either sell out or just pretend their mistakes are intentional or not theirs and never blame themselves. Lynch did blame the studio and others but most importantly blamed himself for selling out.

That was an incredible scene. I don't remember the last time (if there ever was one) a film made me feel the way that scene did. It reminded me a lot of trying to catch a big wave while surfing (im not a very good surfer). Seeing this unstoppable mountain of water rushing towards you and a part of you wanting to slip into panic while another part knows that if you hesitate you'll just get crushed by the wave. So you paddle with all your might and when you feel the wave take you and you know you're riding it, that feeling of dread turns into pure joy and relief. Such an awesome movie

man is dune 2 still in cinemas? that sounds great!

​@@slyisdanameyesss, i just watched it last night!! theater was about half full, i think most people were going in for a rewatch and so the vibe was really chill. lots of laughs during the funny bits and cheers during the serious and exciting bits

we saw it regular already but going again this weekend to see it in imax, i can not wait! this omment makes me even more antsy to see it

Yea, it's was the most amazing experience I have ever had in cinema. I'm so happy having seen both parts on an IMAX screen. I realised after, that the mix of so many talented people, technology, source material of this quality and enough money to pull it off won't happen again in many years.

Okay now please summarize other iconic scenes using emojiis. Thank you.

Funny since Timothee screamed in pain originally, the footage is in the first dune 2021 trailer but it was cut it.

@@heavenly_haori1725 scream in pain vs scream the word PAIN to show the pain is two different thing

@@SubkhanSarif You can't have your characters state how they feel! That makes me feel angry! (Edit: This is a Futurama reference, you clowns. I'm not defending the pain scream.)

​@@Not_a_Lizard_if you character needs to shout "pain" to convoy pain then it's a bad directing

U just described a remake

​​@@Dookieman1975 No, remake would imply that the new movie is based on the old movie, which is not true. They are just based on the same source material. It would be like saying Peter Jackson's LOTR is a remake of the animated movie from the 70s.

​@@Dookieman1975there's a difference between a movie that gets a remake and a book that receives a second film adaptation because the first didn't do it justice. Please for the love of god learn some words for the sanity of everyone on the Internet.

And you’d put that in the title or Remake ? Lmao

​@@morgumalagain, u just described a remake

Watch the Spicediver fan edit, it's a least a lot closer to that than the official version is.

I like it more. Timothee ruins new Dune for me. I feel like it's easily his worst role/acting. I think he does a fantastic job in all other roles I've seen him in but idk man he just doesn't fit here.

Lynch only hates it because he was removed from the editing process & then screwed with by MCA/Universal. He was excited to use the assembly footage to make a director’s cut but they wouldn’t wait for him to finish Wild At Heart.

@@blad...The character he is portraying is meant to evolve as the saga goes on, he is not really complete as a character yet

​@blad... Idk what you guys are talking about. He absolutely killed the role of Paul. This coming from someone who thinks Timothy is in far too many films atm, but this one was earned.

@@Neil-qg9cw If he killed the role of Paul then Paul is a poor character. Timothee just gives this aura of bland. Like a mindless ape always gaping at nothing for a large portion. He's just not enjoyable to watch in this film.

Very true. Paul goes from being a boy to a man with Timothee’s portrayal

​@@AveChristusRex789disagree. Nothing he can do will make him seem like a man.

​@@AveChristusRex789 It's not boy to man, but human to inhuman

in the book the change is subtle also, he becomes more of what he is not a different person

They way changes after taking the water of life really changes the context of the story.

Yes, sadly

@@silasschwehnsadly? I’m tired of good guy vs bad guy movies I like the grim reality of dune and warhammer. The “good” characters are characters that would be seen in movies like Star Wars while the evil characters are undoubtedly evil

Only difference is that his kid is more like if Luke said, "In order to fix my father's mistakes, I gotta become an even worse monster."

@@Kingedwardiii2003 ambiguous morality from Jesus' space Hitler

Incorrect. Paul was afraid not just of the Jihad, but of starting down the Golden Path. The galactic cleansing of the Jihad was only step one. Step two was to endure a radical mutation into a human-sandworm hybrid and subjugate humanity for 3500 years as a tyrant (the God Emperor). He would rule until finally orchestrating his own death to break humans of their addiction to spice and have them scatter throughout the universe. No longer content to ever be controlled by one substance or one man. Paul's son, Leto II was strong enough. Paul is ultimately killed by his own sister, Alia of the knife who succumbed to possession from The memories of Baron Harkonnen. She became an abomination. That's why the Bene Gesserit fear the preborn: those who unlock their ancestral memories in the womb. Generations of memories viying to seize control of you. Alia redeems herself by slitting her own throat. Jessica has to bury both her children, then watch her grandchildren implement the Golden Path. Leto II and Ghanima succeed where Paul, Chani, Leto, and Jessica fail.

Yes, but the point is that works in a book, but not in a 'show, don't tell' format like film. It can work with restraint but in 1984 it's a crutch to dump exposition due to time constraints.

⁠@@Neil-qg9cw Agreed. Just wanted to explain the reason why Lynch’s movie is told that way

that's a dumb reason. the point of it being a movie is it being told in an entirely different medium

I don’t think the person who made this video actually read the book, he just made the video probably to help promote the movie. This is why he shits on the old movie so much.

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​@@tamnam5722 The Muad'Doob.

Anyone would be bothered with how someone other than you butchers your work. I doubt Lynch’s movie would be a timeless classic but it wouldnt be a bad movie if they gave him a chance. I mean, it is somewhat iconic (thanks to its surreal depictions) despite being in a hell of a state.

Yeah, but the weirdo over the top scenes in the movie are pure Lynch. There’s pacing problems for sure, but the bigger problems is the campiness.

Lynch blaming it all on the editing is weak. He was being callous, he thought he didn't need screenwriters and attempted to use the book as the screenplay.

@@kevinc8955 As I said - it wouldnt be a timeless classic but it could be a decent movie. Problem with surreal ideas (be it in movies, games, books, art) is that they need to be implemented in full to be "watchable" and offer any value. Otherwise, it is just a quirky attempt of doing gods-know what.

@@Trazynn portraying it as him blaming it all on editing is reductive and doesn’t recognise him as an artist. It’s much more that others doing the editing takes his voice away. If he edited the film and it was terrible it would still be upsetting but as an artist he could still recognise it as his vision. It’s like creating a presentation then at the end your boss says a random coworker gets to cut random sections while you are to be judged as the sole creator. Your own work might have been just as bad but it was still your work and your mistakes.

I hated the new one. The Lynch film is superior in every way. Most notably is he actually uses color effectively. The new one is color corrected to make everything muted and blue tinged like every other crap modern film.

​@@SR-ob3wnTry harder

@@blank7764 no.

@@SR-ob3wn cope

@@boobster6211 With what?

Real, when he said that, everyone in my theater literally screamed, as if it were an action scene

its not youtube its you speakers

@@coin777 It's both. KZfaq has audio compression that ruins some of the design. The compression is a lot better than it used to be, but it's still always going to be inferior to the source.

@@coin777 You’d be surprised how much KZfaq screws your own audio. It’s the reason why editing became a chore nowadays, not only you have to script and edit a video, you have to take in audio so KZfaq doesn’t accidentally screw your audio.

@@progmrz5512 no it does not. It's sounds good

We might. VERY recently, Lynch said he’s open to seeing the footage he shot to see if it’s salvageable.

Hey Feyd-Rautha, I sent my girlfriend to work for you a few weeks ago, and I haven't heard back. Any idea what's going on?

@@chadicuschaximus1071 the fuck

​@@MCCrleone354 That's the best news I've ever heard! Fingers crossed something will come of it! 🤞

@@chadicuschaximus1071 you know my darlings get hungry when we go on long trips. We've been going on a lot of long trips lately.

Agreed! I stumbled across the Spice Diver edit a few days ago. I intended to just watch a few minutes of it to see if I wanted to save it to watch later, but got so engrossed that I ended up watching the whole thing then and there. It's really good.

I agree, if I remember right it's the mentat ability to foresee myriad paths and conclusions, so the spice enables them to choose safer routes

@@jonstfrancis yeah you're absolutely correct, they don't actually fold space themselves. I just looked up what does fold space, The heighliners use the "Holtzman" effect to instantly travel. it's said to be similar technology to the shields they use, so maybe they somehow invert their shields? it's never explained in great detail

@@Mostexcellant69Dude that's really interesting, I guess somehow that enables the highliners to smooth their way? So there is absolutely no resistance? Or does it do more than that to speed their way?

They see future and find the way they won't die, just like muaddib see his way to the jihad, and then golden way.

Yes, the holtzman generators are what folds space. The navigators used their prescience to guide the folding. Before the navigators, a high percentage of ships were lost whenever they folded space.

Sadly there are a lot of stories of studios destroying good movies back in the day. For me the greatest crime is Once Upon A Time In America from Sergio Leone. Scorsese helped restore some of it, but 2 hours of the movie are missing.

Lynch stans are the biggest COPE merchants ever 😂 He made a STINKER, the execs mightve made that stinker a little worse but it was still a stinker

true. sadly it does not off set the horrible acting.

But in the end, Dennis came with the new adaptation and it felt more grand and alien than Lynch's version ever was.

​@@o-wolfno need to go after Lynch stans as if it's a bad thing. This is considered his only real misfire in a filmography of films that all feel more authentic.

This was a well made piece of propaganda, conditioning you to dismiss the other movie before you’ve seen it. The new Dune is a very good movie for this time but not without its flaws. Conversely, the old Dune is highly flawed but it is a beautiful disaster with amazing music and visual - you would never know that after watching this reviewer’s hatchet job.

​@@sonofacheron the review never said the opposite of this, you did

Go watch the movies, they’re pretty great.

This review is biased trash. It's not an objective review. The original Dune, with all its drawbacks was by far the more grounded and realistic version, with subtle acting and a very real cast that gave credibility to each role. A soundtrack that really slaps and a setting that feels so futuristic and alien that it sucks you into it. The new one is full of the same inbred actors and cg diarrhea that all movies have. It does not look realistic, it does not feel real, you do not see these characters as real people, you see them as characters in a movie and they can never be anything else. Not that I am trying to discredit the new movie. But the old one feels much more Dune to me than the new one.

@@JoeTAC lol & the video is biased? okay

Agree. The Baroque look of the Lynch version really does feel like the vision of an Empire in decline. And it covered a lot of the book that the Villeneuve version skips. But honestly, it doesn't seem like that much of a loss because Denis really gets the religious and political aspects down. Both are amazing visions.

@@NorthForkFisherman I see it as an almost Sisyphean task, like trying to make a movie showing the Christian bible, or War and Peace, or Ann McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern; it's just too massive a task so there will always be nitpicks. But me, I'm happy they even tried, twice. Even Jodorowsky's Dune has some incredible milieu to it I love too.

I watched DV’s 1and2 back to back last week and my wife loved them so I dusted of DL’s version the day after which to my 60 year old memory of the 80’s and the book bother of which I’d not seen/read for 20 years I found although the pre cgi looks a bit creaky and the sets now read more watching Dune in a theatre I still find Lynch’s version despite the hamstringing superior. The latest is certainly more spectacle but the lack of thought narration and maybe because I’ve spent a good few years in the Arab states working remote a lot of what I saw in DV’s vision was just a little too easy

Only reason everyone hated 1984 version was that the story was impossible to understand in such short runtime. There is an alternate cut that is one hour longer and much better.

Lynch’s is the better version all around.

@@rest9661 I agree.. and if you told me 5 years ago that a 5+ hour version of Dune would manage to cover less of the story than the 2 hour version, I would have laughed, but here we are.

yah, there is a few scene that is better in the 80s version. like the worm riding or when Paul becomes the leader. you feel more the millions of people standing in the huge corridor and ready for the war in the 80s one

Lynch sure as hell knows how to cast gorgeous actresses. Denis, eh, not so much. I mean, I really liked Ana de Armas for Joi and his version of Irulan is spot on but I prefer Virginia any day.

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She was so 🔥 as irulan. The new chich looks like a pug

@@azmodanpc Ever seen Zendaya?

@@azmodanpc Pugh looks like the girl next door rather than a product of 90 generations of genetic engineering like Virginia Madsen.

There is nothing good about Lynch’s version. The entire premise of the story in the book is thrown out the window in the first scene with the Navigator demanding of the emperor to kill Paul… I’m mean c’mon.

@@ggroombr You're talking story tho. OP talked about art direction. Two very different things.

Although I like the new Dune, I still prefer David Lynch's style and vision. I would have loved to see what Lynch could have done with the franchise, had it not been for the heavy handed studio interference.

Back in the 1980s, pre-Lord of the Rings, movies were rarely greenlit to be 3+ hours long, unless it was some epic sword and sandals or Bible movie like _Cleopatra_ or _Ben Hur". The Director's Cut of the 1984 version is over 4 hours long, that was considered mind-blowing back then.

@@ggroombr There's nothing in the that scene that contradicts the book in anyway. It does nothing but improve the story. Having read it again, the book feels inadequate without it.

Most subtly edited video essay

Patrick Stewart as Gurney does sound very appealing, even if Josh Brolin nailed it too

And a Royal Pug

And cat milking!

@@jingyulee96 Patrick Stewart is King Midas; everything he touches turns to gold. Find his performances as Macbeth and as Claudius from Hamlet (starring David Tenant as the titular character), I speak the truth.

@@Phoenix8492 i don't think you want Patrick Stewart to be king Midas...

Cope

I seriously doubt that. The weirding modules are a goddamn travesty

He had never read the book before he was offered the job.

nah, somethings he did there really wasnt things of books fan

The book he never read before accepting the role?

@@Neil-qg9cw He was offered before he'd read the book, but didn't accept until he read it. The script was very accurate. Frank Herbert loved the movie

that the thing with making an adaptation of a book into live action, you must know what work in literature and can be carry over and what cannot, its a important part as a book made words be words into a movie will be awful and vise versa

They work much better, it's unrealistic someone growing into such power in such a powerful background would bubble out trivialities or blurb about his moods. That just wouldn't happen, and instead, he would think. And what they expressed *sounded* like their thoughts. Maybe it worked better in a time when reading skills hadnt degraded as much. I hope that that ain't true.

@@udirt that's because over 50% of people don't have inner monologue, they are NPC's that go bout their day. some people can't comprehend that you can actually talk in your head.

You can actually emphasize the inner world of characters without literal voiceovers. In fact, Lynch is very good at that. I have a theory that voiceovers were added during post production because the studio was worried that people wouldn't understand what is going on.

@@anyawatchesmovies the voice over is done because that is what is written in the books, there is a lot of inner monologue.

Indeed. Villeneuve's Dune is relesed with no competition at all, after 40 years SW and other sci-fi franchises such as Alien are completely washed out imho. The producers saw the right time and hit the jackpot.

Old dune looks soo cringy not because of CGI etc. the conversations themselves are conducted as if there was an idiot sitting in front of the screen who didn't understand anything and we had to explain it to him

​@@lumpek4149You never read the books... They're written like Lynch's Dune: each and every character has long strings of thoughts conversating with themselves, just to analyze the situations, possibilities and outcomes plus the obvious exposition for the audience reading...

@@alessandrobaggi6129 i didnt said that i read books but in my opinion its just cringy that characters tell you what they feel and how they act. But true i dont know books

@@alessandrobaggi6129 Right, but film is a visual medium. If people want a medium that allows them to hear exposition and inner monologues spouted to them, they can get the audiobook. Also, I've read all of Frank's books at least twice, and like 8 of Brian's

@@lumpek4149 You're fine. The over-reliance on voiceover is one of the biggest problems of that movie, along with deviating from the source material. The weirding modules, for example, are a stand-in for the weirding way, which was a Bene Gesserit method of fighting that Paul taught to his best soldiers called the Fedayken. The underlying cause of both problems was the ridiculous notion that the overall story of Dune could be told in one feature-length movie, which Villeneuve's dune demonstrates quite handily, IMO

Nah it was amazing. You need to have a good sound system to experience that. Just watched today on my atmos home theatre

@@shanesahilreddyudumula yeah how much did that cost?

@@Calypso694 around 5-6k

buy better speakers

Its called a subwoofer 👍

Oh Imma judge it...

dont worry, they judged it pretty harshly back then too. I still love lynch but my man could not catch a break with studio interference. I just got done with twin peak season 2 and ive never felt more bad for a director.

It was judged in 1984 and deemed to be shit. This video literally shows critics of the time saying they hated it.

@@Not_a_Lizard_ True. I was reffering to the overall opinion on the video, so maybe people could take a diferente stance. I admit it's weird, a OST made by Toto, a narrator saying "I forgot", The cloaca face... But It has its merits too, awesome cast, good acting, and that noir (ish) style of Lynch's. I Just feel It deserves better.

Yes, yes we can. We have a lot of movies to compare to, including the ones directed by Lynch. Hells, even he hated the movie.

The scale of the vfx copied sardukar? The scale of the empty quasi featureless buidlings?

@@udirt yes. masses of people and big buildings convey scale. Some other things you might not know: bright light conveys daylight, people shot facing each other conveys a conversation, angry faces convey anger, crying conveys sadness Let me know if you need more pointers how hu-mans convey emotions through visual language in movies.

Villeneuve did change quite some details and left out of lot of scences from the book to make it more adaptable and for the most part his changes make the story better imho. But some make it worse. Imho he wasted too much time on atmo takes in part I and didn't spend enough time on building up the tension before the attack against the atreides. The pacing between the spice harvester scene and the attack feels very rushed.

@@Sierraone1 Yeah, I agree with that. There's a lot of tension between the sub-plots and counter plots between Jessica, Leto and Thufir Hawat in the books which would have built up the attack scene so well.

​@@udirt How much would all that being real and not vfx add to the film? Basically nothing other than ridiculous cost. The money saved was then poured into more impactful parts of the film.

Having like 3x the runtime to work with also helps to be fair

I kind of want someone to edit bits of the Lynch film to just be shots and music--with the dialogue and exposition muted or removed I want to be able to breathe in the world and take in the fantastic sets and matte paintings. But the movie just forces so much exposition down your gullet, that even as a fan of the book, I kept getting lost with the plot at times

Denis is simply amazing at unobtrusive exposition and visual storytelling. that moment in Arrival where you start putting together the twist is truly something (my favourite movie so maybe I'm biased lol), and enhanced because you're working it out for yourself, not being told in the text what's going on.

Exposition that drags the pacing? What about how they sit with deep and grave expression[tm] in front of the pompous grandious[tm] desert landscape for 5 fucking minutes while acting no more than two little lambs.

@@udirt Choosing that over the exposition that makes me sleep any day of the week, brother If I wanted an info dump, I'll go re-read the Annex pages of the Dune novel

yeah i am glad it exists even if it wasn't as good as it could of been

I wonder how people will look back at this dune, and by extension the movies released during this time period. Will they see them as cheesy and dated, or will the special effects and writing still hold up enough to be relevant in 100 or so years. I’m more inclined to believe the latter because we still revere some old movies and stories, but there’s always the possibility everything ages super terribly lol. I’ll bet some things, like the marvel movies, will be seen as products of their time, while the more serious stuff will still be well liked.

I prefer the old Dune. The new Dune is colourless, feels too modern in a bad way, the main character feels kinda stale. And I like that it's a single film, not dragged out like what they did to The Hobbit. Old fantasy/sci fi movies had some amazing sets and scenery, very intricate and creative. I don't like the ultra minimalistic modern look new Dune has.

@@paulvontarsus729 Exactly! Modern movies are so sterile. No heart.

@@Bob-po2dp The new Dune already reeks of modern film tropes. The acting style, dark and gritty atmosphere, cold color grading, and everyone fucking mumbling is exactly representative of your average blockbuster these days.

Yes new is yet it needed more storytelling for Paul. New movies focuses too much on action based and didn't give enough time and substance to the Spice..to the Emperor..and to the Shailu the Worms

Dune came out six years after Alien and Star Wars. It already felt dated around that time with poor visual effects.

@@Trazynn I'm pretty sure Alien came after Dune.

@@BarnaliD it really didn't. Star wars came out in 77, alien in 79, blade runner in 82, then Dune in 84.

Actually, no. The visual production is on the level of The Forbidden Planet, a movie form 1956. The whole aesthetic is steampunk, which is not futuristic and reminds of Jules Verne's stuff, like Journey to the Center of the earth. Compare the machinery in Dune 1984 and the one in Star Wars, for instance. Also, putting the visuals aside, WHO THE FUCK MAKES OVERDUBS OF PEOPLE'S THOUGHT IN A MOVIE?! Nobody does that "at the time", because that's just not how cinema works! We have tons of movie where people's thought are conveyed through body language and facial expressions. Dune 1984 failed hard on that point, and the time has nothing to do with it.

Also Virginia Madsen is gorgeous and otherworldly as Irulan.

I don't know. Based solely on the clips shown here, Alia seems far more creepy than in the book. In the book, yes, she's creepy, but she's full of mature understanding, helpfulness and insight. She's not made out to be as creepy.

The new Dune actually covers less of the story than the 1984 Dune, despite being nearly three times as long. No Spacing Guild, very little of the Emperor, no Alia, no space folding, no weirding way, not as much of the Harkonnens. The final battle is somehow just as rushed as it was in the 1984 version that people have been complaining about for 40 years. It's actually an amazing accomplishment that Villeneuve was able to waste so much screen time on Paul dipping his hands in water and bickering with Chani, along with boring Fremen politics.

does better is a strange wording, considering theres whole 5 seconds of Alia in Deni's version. Decision to push her out was a strange one. She was kinda crucial. But maybe the way she appears in the end and kills the Baron can look like a deus ex machina of sorts, robbing Paul of a deserved victory over him.

​@@metasystem8625she is creepy in the book, though it's much more subtle.

The constant voiceover is a crutch to cover up the problems caused by the shorter run time. The new movies are better off without it, despite how often internal monologues are used in the books

@@Zoroasterisk Yes and No, I agree the voice overs are a way to provide the viewer more information on what is going on because the film did not have the time to actually show the viewer. However, the source material has LOTS of inner dialog all over the place. I would say close to 20% of the dialog is inner dialog explain to the reader why, how, and when a character is going to do something. Dune really is a political thriller like Game of Thrones as everyone has their own political drive. However, unlike GOT where they had time to show. Herbet uses inner dialog to keep the reader up to date. Thanks for comment.

@grast5150 Yes, but inner dialogue works in a book - it always has! It doesn't work in a film. It's unnatural, distracting, overly verbose, and a weak crutch. Dune 1984 depends on it, or it would have no time to actually tell the story without it being nonsense. It's a product of the lack of screen time, not a decision to improve the film by its own merit. It's a big part of why 1984 is so messy.

@@grast5150 yeah but thats like a book man. A movie is a completely different medium of entertainment. You can tell me things in a book bc thats literally the only way for me to get that information. You can show things in a movie, unlike a book. So its not surprising that 99% of the time that seems to be the prefered method for world building and expository information in film.

It's very theatrical for sure.

@@theviniso So being able to clearly articulate has become an art now ... what a decadente world we are living in

@@patataboy Eh, it also sounded a bit weird when Patrick Stewart did it in Star Trek The Next Generation, and that was like 40 years ago. It's just not how people actually talk.

Its good practice tò have Sharp t's and d's, plus precise "s" sounds. The declamation in. Lynch's version Is so much more clear and the voice Is crispier. Even when whispering its all clear where now actors talk instead or reciting and have no projection, only tensed muscles and fake emotion.

@@patataboy That's how language works. It shifts over time to make things easier to say. If you clearly pronounce each letter in the words as they're written, you sound like you're not a native speaker.

I love the sandworms in Lynch's, and think the digital shields look great. The only problem with Lynch's is the compressed storytelling. It just needed to be longer.

I like Lynch's version better... as well as the ScyFy series

Giger didn’t do designs for the Lynch version, just for some unmade versions.

@@user-uy5mf8mw6x Giger sent Lynch his designs, Lynch didn't want to use his work, and yet, his influence is still felt in the sandworms, spice harvester, stillsuits, etc.

The set designs are way too different to be compared, I wouldn't call them better or worse. They're beautifully intricate and decorated, which is the opposite approach Denis took with his minimalist and grounded sets.

Yes, it’s so theatrical and camp and I appreciate it for it, but the new movies are so immersive you forget yourself watching it

Except that in book it was: "The burning! The burning! He thought he could feel skin curling black on that agonized hand, the flesh crisping and dropping away until only charred bones remained. It stopped! As though a switch had been turned off, the pain stopped. Paul felt his right arm trembling, felt sweat bathing his body. "Enough," the old woman muttered. "Pain," she sniffed. "A human can override any nerve in the body."" While in film it looked like Harry Potter vs Voldemort battle (or something from Star Wars, force vs force), in the book only Paul was in agony, it was a one-way game and Reverend Mother knew exactly what to expect during this test. Kwisatz Haderach was a result of 10 000 years of careful breeding, not some shocking event.

Oh, yeah. "ENOUGH!" ... "the old woman muttered" is an alternative version of "Dumbledore asked calmly"

In the new movie, we see Paul in pain, but it’s manageable. In the old, we see what is just manageable for Paul is superhuman.

What are you talking about Lynch version of gom jabbar is beat for beat and in terms of adaptation it is perfection. Villeneuve version felt empty by comparison.

​​@@lockaltubeYes, a book has internal monologue. In the new film it's expertly SHOWN with acting, how a film should be done. What do you people want? Inner monologues don't work in films, as 1984 demonstrates.

«sci Fi channel mini series of Dune» i dont like that ppl ignore it as if it doesnt exist. It conveys the book much better than Linch's version. And it continues to the Children of Dune. I watched it twice, still good.

@@TiMonsor I've watched it literally dozens of times. I was like 12 when it came out, and I'd coincidentally read Dune as assigned reading in school. A lot of it went over my head, like Paul being the bad guy, but I loved both the book and miniseries. I preferred the miniseries to Lynch's version, as it stuck closer to the book, despite the noticeably lower production value

@@TiMonsor It's a soulless TV production. Being faithful doesn't mean much when there's no actual entertainment value.

​@Zoroasterisk i just watched it. Now i will rewatch it

@@Zoroasterisk Paul isn't the bad guy though. Clearly it's still going over your head.

Spice Diver, but yes and thank you for pointing it out.

Miles better. I’d prefer dune 2 over all of them besides rots and rotj imo

@@albert_obey3151 ROTJ is my favorite because the throne room IS star wars to me. But now I know the throne room was just Dune.

*any of the star wars films Fixed. SW has always been overrated.

low bar.

Dune and Star Wars are completely different stories. They really shouldn’t be compared

Exactly!

Why are so many people making this comment…? He literally talks about how they’re both adaptations of the book in the video lol

I'm tired of the whispers , give me the yells .

lol what an insane statement

Is this satire 😭

@@hongngocle7644 I don't know the op but i am serious

Good observation! I haven't seen that pointed out that way before!

It's a silly film

​​​@@pointblank2890that's why Jessica has so much more depth and strength in the old one. The new one takes away her power, defiance, the love and cunning behind her scheming against the masters of schemes, her will to fight and any and all agency. It's a horrible degradation of her as a human respected by one of the most powerful person in the universe, a mother who will kill without a second thought to protect her son and wants to fihht beside him to a mommy onlooker and bystander.

Arrival is one of my favourite movies ever

@@bencressman6110 Yup sicario to some extent, just the tense entrance into Juarez.

Blade Runner 2 is so overrated, no surprise no one watched it

They're both so overrated, BR2049 WAS SO BORING AND SO WAS NEW DUNE DVS TASTE IN CINEMATOGRAPHY IS SO BORING BLAND

Nobody seems to remember the ScyFy version, do they?

@@hankrearden20 And it's better than the 1984 version, so that's especially infuriating.

Correct , there are two movie adaptations and one very professional school play.

Yes, they really need to touch on the miniseries, that was my preferred version. They didn't have the budget of the most recent one, but they still took the time to flesh out the story.

The TV miniseries actually followed the book more closely than either movie adaptations. It even included the scene where Paul and Chani's 1st child was murdered by the Harkonnens. However the made for TV version suffered from poor production and weak acting. All in all, Villenueve's adaptation was the most satisfying. Truly epic.

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