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You really opened my eyes Thank you!

thank you man.. you are the best

Bang on! You're smashing it on your KZfaq channel right now! Another point is that when the front arm is internally rotated the supraspinatus is in a fully stretched position, and if you raise the bow in this position, then there is too much strain on the supraspin' which can lead to injury.

TIMESTAMPS: 01:10 - When to rotate the elbow 02:07 - Why this timing is good 04:00 - A great training trick 05:10 - Elbow rotation with a band 06:10 - Elbow rotation with the bow 06:42 - Bad times to do elbow rotation 09:28 - 2 mistakes to avoid

Loving these videos. Following tips & techniques from these videos and my scores are improving which is great because they had been going a little backwards for a while. Only still a beginner with less than a year of shooting and with out a proper coach these are invaluable.

Great video and very helpful! Exactly my problem at the moment. Thank you

Best trainer i've ever seen. Thanks a lot. I literally love your methodology at your lessons.

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Very interesting. This weekend I was shooting 60 and 50 meters and struggling. There was no consistency in my shot such that I was pretty much spraying the target. Earlier in the day, I had been used as a demonstrator for set and release as apparently "Hugh does these quite well" for our beginners class. later on Saturday our coach called me up about something else, but he took the opportunity to tell me that he'd noticed a couple of flaws in my set up. Sunday morning, I went to the range again and he explained what was going wrong. It was all about what I was doing from between what you are calling the maximum bow height and anchor. In other words, the draw and setup were all wrong. I had been thinking about bow arm alignment earlier in the week and had inadvertently created another issue. Anyway, fixing the set/draw/set up issue made a huge difference, it took me from being happy just to get in the red to actually scoring 3 x's in the very next end. Granted, the other three arrows were 2 8's and a 6, but three x's! for me that was massive! Now, maybe if I look at the elbow as well, I can get even more consistency.

Excellent advice, as always - many thanks

Excellent video , thank you very much for solving this problem, I could not find the answer to this problem anywhere else on you tube. I am forever in your debt sir.

Wow great tips really helpful

Thank you! will try it I am used to do elbow rotation before the maximum height lift of my bow.

Thank you so much !

Brilliant explanation! I will try this tomorrow, thanks :-)

thanks a lot. Your channel is extremely useful!

Oh, I am type number 2.1 😅 - when I draw, the rotation comes off. I found out that the problem is in a lack of strength because it’s okay with a light bow (difference is 6#). With my working bare bow I still keep position but it’s not so strong and I must make more efforts. But with my assembled bow I lose the connection, and If I try to put the elbow back - I feel tension and pain in my upper trapezius ☹️

I didnt even know you can rotate the elbow while keepIng the wrist steady was a thing, actually mindblow.

I am a beginner and I must say I have learnt a lot from your videos.

Thank you for your very nice video. May I suggest to you put a Target's face on the wall behind you

I always do the elbow rotation with the bow down, before lifting. I had never thought about shoulder rotation and muscle stress. Probably this may be the cause of some pain that I sometimes have in the bow shoulder.

Another awesome video, as always, Ashe! Learning a lot watching these. The one thing I struggle with most, along with elbow rotation, is anchoring. I can never get a consistent comfortable anchor so it changes/evolves constantly - so was wondering if you have any plans to do a video on anchoring at some point? As I'd love to watch this. Keep up the good work man! 😊

Hey thanks for the video. Do you think this can be applied to traditional archery?

A spare grip in the stretch band. Brilliant. How the hell has nobody suggested that to me before? How the hell have I not thought of it myself??!!

Very interesting. Because I have big shoulder muscles (and probly some fat, not saying that I am strong, i don't even train...) and people commenting my form saying that my bow shoulder is too high but in fact it just look too high, especially when I do elbow rotation it seems like the normal shoulder muscle movement you described is showing appearance of a high shoulder on me... Because I went to a point that I tried exactly what you said not to do and this really didn't work for me as well. So for now I think my bow arm form is okay according to what you say but still "look" too high. Thanks alot !

Hugely useful, thanks! However I don't think that gravity is a major factor, the angle above vertical is small and the bow isn't that heavy. What would make a big difference is the initial draw angle to vertical. The line of gravitational force is also vertical, but that is just a coincidence :)

Please I start the aiming from down to up is it right or wrong Thanks

I wonder if shoulder impingement is also common amongst archers, i imagine it happening when rotation of elbow happens too early encouraging shoulder internal rotation followed by shoulder flexion 🤔

I tried both, right timing as well as earlier at Set. The latter gave me the feeling of a shoulder too much locked or rigid, making the lift-up less fluid or natural. Ashe, do you confirm these sensations?

Thanks Ashe. I’m pretty sure I’ve been rolling the shoulder too. I think this is going to be a tough habit to break... :-(

Aha :) I do the rotation before the lift. That will change.

Anyone else notice the haircut.... just me then, looking good 👍

if i rotate my elbow then it is coming in it's that position before i started rotating pls help me 🙏

Does this go with compound bow too?

Thanks Coach. Maybe one day do a video with a Newbie as your model... you correct him as he progresses. Many of us coachless archers will definitely quickly identify with the newbie ... thanks

I don't understand what is the "connection to the back". My coaches taught me both the "bad" timings. They don't make too much difference to me...

One thing that has shocked me is the amount of coaches and schools teaching people to NOT rotate the elbow these days.

I have none of these issues. I can't rotate my elbow so what I have is all I get.

at pre-draw xd

I don't get it, i lift the bow and my arm is straight, i don't see or feel my elbow moving!

I do not see a rotating elbow..

omg that's so me. i always roll my shoulder while rotating my elbow. but if i try to keep my shoulder down, i can't rotate the elbow at all. i can do it with empty hand but not with a bow. i think it's because of my weak back muscle...

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God damnit.. I've been shooting for a couple of years and I've been told that you rotate when the arm is low, so that when you lift it's already rotated. Watching a few of the top ones (Brady, Kim, the dutch young guy, matos and a few others) I just cannot see any rotaion after they lift the bow.... ????

This video is awesome! Thank you so much! Against all recommendations of my coaches this was the one thing that reduced shoulder pain and improved my groupings significantly.