Welcome back to Boxing after dark! In today's video we take a look at George Foreman's last ever bout against the young and hungry Shannon Briggs in the year of 1997
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@johncarlo73958 ай бұрын
George won that fight absolutely no doubt about it.
@Charismaniac8 ай бұрын
They robbed him here against Briggs but they gifted him the one against Schulz.
@devongreen77248 ай бұрын
It was amazing how he came back after retiring at the age of 28 is crazyness and 10 year's later he came back into the ring showed real determination despite his age and never gave up till he finally won the heavyweight championship again amazing story
@jrowlandj8 ай бұрын
Judges ruin fights when they have an agenda going into it. Fairly obvious to me that Briggs knew he lost, George knew he won. There’s no way Briggs won 5 more rounds than George, anybody who watched the fight knows it. For being 48 years old and taking it to the young guns, Foreman is a living legend. #2 Heavyweight, ever.
@dennishouse62008 ай бұрын
If this had been prime George Briggs would have been knocked out
@Jeremy.G4088 ай бұрын
@@Charismaniacexactly!! I still remember thinking that when this Briggs result was announcing 😄👍🏽
@marcbrunengraber35078 ай бұрын
George outlanded him 284 punches to 223. He was absolutely robbed by the judges.
@johnmoore35218 ай бұрын
Wow I did not see that statement on screen he clearly won.
@vinnievenus35705 ай бұрын
Not only that but in his youth? If Briggs had faced the young foreman? My quess is Briggs wouldn’t be standing .
@SethCooper-mf4im5 ай бұрын
I’m not sure he is, anyway. One of the Klitschko’s beat the shit out of him. Like 400 1-2s to the face…. Dude was in the hospital for days.
@jenkemjones685 ай бұрын
Most already know.But Foreman didn't have many skills in the ring other than the crossed elbows guard.He lacked head movement or any fancy foot work.He achieved a phenomenal boxing record by sheer brute clubbing power,and a heavy chin.That in itself is an amazing feat in pro HW boxing.
@LexLoot4 ай бұрын
Clearly they used the electoral college for the decision.
@Joseph-lz5er8 ай бұрын
After watching the highlight, a prime George destroys Briggs. At 48 to do what he did in the ring against a 25 year old is incredible
@luisenriquez4417 ай бұрын
Absolutely!!!!!
@jonb27567 ай бұрын
He got his ass kicked by Tommy Gunn from Rocky 5 lol.
@kennygottlieb36287 ай бұрын
@@jonb2756Tommy Morrison had a serious left hook, but he outboxed Foreman so what, he was almost 50years Old..
@jonb27567 ай бұрын
@@kennygottlieb3628 Tommy was a bag of shit, and he schooled Foreman.
@alanndrake26197 ай бұрын
@@jonb2756he didn't get his ass kicked, he just fought a different fight that gave him the decision. Had he tried to trade with George throughout he would have been gassed as usual and ko’d. I also say that as a HUGE Tommy Morrison fan
@attilathehun07 ай бұрын
This fight was one of the biggest robberies in boxing history!
@johnlawler2455Ай бұрын
Decisions like this made MMA big.
@jasondeabreu65977 ай бұрын
George Foreman was absolutely robbed of his title and still remained a class act a true champion... always will be a champ in my eyes
@barry55804 ай бұрын
I think they just handed him the loss to make him step away... So loved by then.. They robbed him to protect him... Or he would've just kept going
@clivepearson42232 ай бұрын
THIS IS HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!! GEORGE WON THIS FIGHT BY A LARGE MARGIN AND THERES NO DISPUTE ABOUT THIS!!!
@richbrake991028 күн бұрын
They did not want an older guy dominating the sport. This was before MMA really took off.
@akvalues8 ай бұрын
George is one of the toughest men who ever lived
@assassindelasaucisse.40398 ай бұрын
George is one of the classiest men who ever lived.
@johnlloyd32248 ай бұрын
@@assassindelasaucisse.4039Amen to this, Brother!
@BetrayerSlayerMusic8 ай бұрын
ZERO doubt. One of really sweetest men too if lucky enough to have a brief word too, a super gracious man. And right too, back when he was 42 n I watching on tv at 17, 40 is by far NOT a death sentence. Beginning actually.
@akvalues8 ай бұрын
@@user-rp1vu1gk5u congratulations you have no idea WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT!
@assassindelasaucisse.40398 ай бұрын
@@user-rp1vu1gk5u Don't be jealous. It's not a god look.
@michaelreilly1310esq8 ай бұрын
No way, George bounced this joker across the ring in every round. George is a champion and a gentleman
@danyoutube74914 ай бұрын
I know, and they always say if you want to take the belt off the champ, you need to show that you did it decisively. Did any of those judges watch Foreman doing most of the punching in the fight, following that ball of muscle around and bloodying his nose right up until the final bell, and truly think Briggs had taken the belt from the champ? I find that hard to believe. Maybe they just thought the young gun was a more plausible champion than the age defying Foreman, felt that it was ridiculous that Foreman was able to out score Briggs and didn't want it to be so.
@jackzegas8 ай бұрын
Win, lose, or draw Foreman epitomizes the heart of a true champion and sportsman.
@asr56578 ай бұрын
Even though George was slow,he was still hitting Briggs with a lot of punches. George is the perfect example of a real champion and a real honourable man. LEGEND much respect
@Salieri478 ай бұрын
He honorably reneged on his promise to give Shulz a rematch.
@amck728 ай бұрын
Foreman looks slow but Evander said he`s a lot quicker than he looks because he has good timing
@luisenriquez4417 ай бұрын
I remember Holyfield saying when he walked back to his corner and asked if he still had his teeth cause he said he couldn't feel his face after being hit by George Foreman. Foreman is a legend he beat two of the best fighters that Ali couldn't beat
@anthonyahinful3687 ай бұрын
@@Salieri47 .
@lionelyu20177 ай бұрын
George adalah goat heavyweight,Ali hanya pandai marketing , di usia 35 keatas Ali sudah habis tanpa sisa , George dapat menjadi juara dunia tertua dengan rekor yang luar biasa
@WM03028 ай бұрын
Yes...only the judges didn't see the fight! Comment section got it! George is the true gentleman of the ring!
@jasonito237 ай бұрын
I saw this fight. The crowd was screaming Bullshit in unison : Bull shit, bull shit, bull shit.
@abrahamramirez39808 ай бұрын
I feel George won the fight but at this point in his career someone in charge decided that they were going to rob Foreman anytime he went the distance. His only chance to get a fair decision was via knockout.
@bdb71858 ай бұрын
Yeah but that would be seriously tough to do and I believe they counted on that
@danyoutube74914 ай бұрын
I agree. I think they were embarrassed that Big George was defying age and logic and making almost a mockery of the young guns like Briggs.
@williusthefisherman99208 ай бұрын
Big George won no doubt.
@thediaz078 ай бұрын
Nah
@SpannerzIsHappy8 ай бұрын
@@thediaz07No way Briggs won this
@thediaz078 ай бұрын
@@SpannerzIsHappy yeah I was jk. It was close tho. 115-113 for George.
@beans31588 ай бұрын
@@thediaz07foreman won by a landslide wdym
@stuartkennedy45708 ай бұрын
George won that fight. No way Shannon did Just shows how fixed the fight game is
@luisenriquez4417 ай бұрын
Absolutely !!!!
@gartrellliddell38067 ай бұрын
They used to do that a lot to push old fighters into retirement before they get hurt.. Just like Ali vs Berbick, as long as they get the win they’ll think that they still have it.. Holyfield is one that refused to quit and took unnecessary punishment..
@DanKoning7777 ай бұрын
*"Just shows how fixed the fight game is."* No truer statement was ever spoken in all of sports-that's why I never spent $1 on any PPV fight, and never will. I grew up watching the best fights in boxing history on "The Wide World of Sports" e.g., Frazier, Foreman, Ali, Duran, Sugar Ray, Hearns, Hagler, Benítez, etc until Don King's corruption entered the ring-that's when things went from bad to worse.
@BLacShirtRBjr7 ай бұрын
george is amazeing, , the way he conducts himself is such a great example to all. everyone knows who won that fight,
@antoanbryant74438 ай бұрын
George Foreman is 1 of the best men to ever walk the earth.
@konstantinkoverchenko95878 ай бұрын
I remember as a teenager seeing George’s comeback in real time. It was incredible to see.
@mudeye8 ай бұрын
Mr. Foreman defintely got robbed a victory. But His class at a loss is impeccable.
@JotimThingadane-eq3dt8 ай бұрын
It was Karma for Foreman coz even him he was given unjustifiably a win against Alex Stewart when he was clearly outboxed but they robbed Stewart and wrongly gave the victory to Foreman
@serenityinside17 ай бұрын
Indeed .. and axel Schultz
@fledgendbeats45817 ай бұрын
He definitely grew, cuz ali whooped his ass an he quit boxing
@Matt_Andrew3497 ай бұрын
@@JotimThingadane-eq3dt Blame the judges. It's not Karma for Foreman.
@Matt_Andrew3497 ай бұрын
@@fledgendbeats4581 Actually he had two matches after that before officially retiring
@grantp40228 ай бұрын
George was the most brutal, fearless, and powerful boxer I've ever seen. I was listening to him tell a story of him playing with his "pet Lion" in his yard. The Lion all of a sudden attacked his bother and was going to kill him. George automatically attacked the Lion, and took a big swing but just missed the lion's head. He said, that the Lion knew he meant business, and a fight ensued between George and the Lion. He said he "dispatched" the Lion, but did not say how, so I don't know if he used a gun, or a knife or what, but "very few" guys would have the guts to attack a full grown lion that weighs 500 lbs. George was fearless, and nothing intimidated him, and he never has a bodyguard,like many other fighters. I truly admire this mountain of a man, and also really a gentleman with a good sense of humour. We'll never see another like him.
@wesleypresley10008 ай бұрын
What was it with these terrifying heavyweights wanting to own,quite simply free roaming animals?
@grantp40228 ай бұрын
@@wesleypresley1000 I see your point and maybe they relate these animals to being ruthless warriors. After this thing happened, George said he got rid of his Tiger and other Lion, saying they were wild and far too dangerous. In this incident, it was very close as to who was going to go -- him or the Lion. Luckily for George he won out. Maybe he had a gun or a knife ? -- he didn't say. He also said they should "not" be kept as pets.
@abdulhadiyau6 ай бұрын
You really do love Big George...
@grantp40226 ай бұрын
@@abdulhadiyau you gotta love him, as he's one of a kind. I admire his bravery.
@robertdoble76654 ай бұрын
Is this true? George owned a lion? Didn`t hear about that.
@CasoDoBronx8 ай бұрын
George with hair is probably one of scariest men to walk planet earth
@Schorpioen.7 ай бұрын
And George Foreman wasn't scared of anything not even of a lion , example kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldSoirx8ruDYhKc.html
@AS-qy1zl3 ай бұрын
Lol he is probably the only man who looks friendlier when bald
@johanberggren58447 ай бұрын
HOW is this not a Foreman win?
@guygranger78948 ай бұрын
Thank you George for all the great fights. To see you as such a sportsman in a loss is a lesson for generations to come.
@user-wf2nb3qs1w8 ай бұрын
is he alive
@guygranger78947 ай бұрын
Last I heard he was very much alive and still preaching and selling products.
@PeeBurps-gk7cu4 ай бұрын
@@user-wf2nb3qs1w Yes I just bought his ham juicer. You can turn ham into juice. Great product.
@brandonmansell8 ай бұрын
George Foreman is just class you can not buy. One of the hardest punchers boxing has ever seen. Devastating power in the golden era of the division... His humility after the fight in the ring, is so remarkable. Its not age, its just class, he didn't want to sour the moment for Briggs, when so many people were ready to tear down Brigg's performance, on HBO and in the crowd, George was there to uplift him.... & the performance, at 48, in the most dangerous of divisions, iconic.
@micahzarlingo8 ай бұрын
That post fight interview from George was awesome 👏
@Joe-ym6bw8 ай бұрын
George is definitely a hard hitter
@devongreen77248 ай бұрын
I would say he's the hardest puncher in heavyweight history then id put earnie shavers at number two 👍
@beans31588 ай бұрын
@@devongreen7724everyone who’s fought both says shavers hit harder, that includes people who have fought Tyson too
@devongreen77248 ай бұрын
@@beans3158 i do tend agree with you
@lesran8 ай бұрын
@@beans3158 I think it's two different kinds of punching power. Shavers definitely had more snap and more power out of one single punch. Foreman had thudding power. His average punch was probably the best average punch in boxing history. Every Foreman punch had some kind of impact. Shavers best punch, straight right thrown properly with leverage, was probably the hardest in boxing history.
@beans31588 ай бұрын
@@lesran according to lyle, foreman feels more like a clubbing feeling while shavers feels like a whipping hammer feeling
@jonathanmillner8 ай бұрын
This was Foreman's LAST FIGHT! It was his last fight after decades of boxing! How many boxers do you know, perform this well at the age of 48 with one eye on retirement? Almost nobody... Not only did he perform well, it's quite obvious Foreman won this fight to almost anyone who watched it. This fight was fixed. It was fixed by Foreman and the boxing community. Foreman was ready to be done. Boxing was ready for him to be done. He merely wanted one last great performance to show the grand kids how bad ass, even at 48, he still was. Foreman landed harder and more often. How Briggs got the win, leaves a person scratching their head. Foreman's performance though... just.... Amazing!!!
@user-Aekk-AK476 ай бұрын
I think the same.
@Gez4928 ай бұрын
Wow still find it hard to believe Briggs got that decision. What class from George
@jhibreal358 ай бұрын
Muhammad Ali must've been very proud of George foreman 🙌🥊
@ronjames79538 ай бұрын
The maddest I ever been over a decision. This was George final fight should have got the victory he clearly won.
@SunnyReignz8 ай бұрын
The younger guys always slept on Foreman power and ability to take hits.
@Da_Publick8 ай бұрын
Briggs was definitely not 'unknown' when he fought Foreman, even though he'd gotten knocked out before. And he lost this fight. They just wanted Foreman out of there.
@milojanis49012 ай бұрын
Exactly. George was making HW boxers look bad. Kinda like Jim Thome coming back at 55 and just blasting the 25-30 year old pitchers. Not "good" for the game😂😂
@litrachie10848 ай бұрын
George fucking won that fight
@allanrabindran56956 ай бұрын
The fact is George was a good man right from the beginning but people accepted him only in his comeback.. He is a Lion Hearted person
@gotdajuiceeee8 ай бұрын
long time mma fan, new boxing fan and this channel is like crack.
@Danny-sd5vm8 ай бұрын
Enjoy man. These are historic fights.
@LeahRobb8 ай бұрын
when you have a "punches landed" score that clearly goes in George's favour, and neither of them got knocked out, how the flippin' heck did the fight go to the other guy. Briggs himself looked like he'd lost. The guy who picked him up might have known of a Briggs rig. The level-headedness of George is admirable.
@devongreen77248 ай бұрын
George foreman was a strong person with excellent boxing skill' and shear power i love him and Muhammad Ali true heavyweight legends
@jamesrichardson49658 ай бұрын
Everybody knows Big George got robbed. It was controversial.
@CourtDawg4568 ай бұрын
13:56 it made me cry to see George be a man like that
@srinew278 ай бұрын
48 years old foreman is robbed in this fight
@SergioGonzalez-lq4jx8 ай бұрын
Someone didn’t want Foreman to fight Lewis… just saying.
@shaynesabala8 ай бұрын
That was completely corrupted. Those judges were paid off. It was an easy win for George.
@andymcinnes63658 ай бұрын
Absolute Farce George won that fight!! What a True Gent George was afterwards!!👍
@jonathanturbide22328 ай бұрын
Best boxing channel on KZfaq right now, it's always fun to discover some of these fights thanks to you. 😊👍🏻
@jojolisticallyspeaking42668 ай бұрын
George was robbed of this fight because he didn't score a knockout.
@michaelgraham87888 ай бұрын
Mohammed Ali once said that out of all his pro bouts George had the most hardest punch of em all.
@thompsontroy0835 ай бұрын
No he didn’t, he said Ernie Shavers was. Not to take nothing from big George but Ali said Shavers had a harder punch than Foreman and Frazier
@steelermia8 ай бұрын
he went 31-3 after coming back at age 38 .. crazy
@YABOII8858 ай бұрын
Foreman won
@georgehimon14458 ай бұрын
George is tougher than a two dollar steak ,this was a great night,he may of peaked on this day ,one word ,gladiator ,wow.never under estimate anyone age is a number.😳 I love George's nice demeanor .
@GatoCubano8 ай бұрын
I luv Big George, a real Man through and through.
@matthewcb19708 ай бұрын
Probably better that Briggs ended up facing Lennox Lewis. Hard to imagine a near 50-year-old George having much success against Lewis.
@SpannerzIsHappy8 ай бұрын
I have no doubt a focused Lewis would beat any heavyweight ever
@kennykross33068 ай бұрын
@SpannerzIsHappy focus lennox lost to Rahman and mccall
@SpannerzIsHappy8 ай бұрын
@@kennykross3306 that was not a focused Lennox 🤣
@kennykross33068 ай бұрын
@@SpannerzIsHappy hell ya he was.
@user-lb6ch3ns7gАй бұрын
Lewis was scared to be embarrassed by old George.
@assassindelasaucisse.40398 ай бұрын
Foreman won that fight.
@MonsterHunterPV8 ай бұрын
George Foreman only man to terrify Iron Mike.
@NabilAbdulrashidComedy8 ай бұрын
What a class act big George was
@randallblytheadlercavalera83738 ай бұрын
george one of my favorite boxer the legend❤😊❤
@Timrodriguez8998 ай бұрын
George is great man God bless him
@johnlloyd32248 ай бұрын
Great video! What kind of a man is this George Foreman! 🎉✨
@lasvegascream17997 ай бұрын
The judges say he lost but the whole world knows that he won that night. Great job George
@vincentparrella56685 ай бұрын
A 48 year old beating a 25 year old. I remember watching this fight,and after the decision…….Just shaking my head in disbelief.
@johnmoore35218 ай бұрын
I can only imagine George in his prime knocking Briggs through the ropes. From what I could see, Formans left racked up a ton of points. It was clear to me he won that fight, but what was awesome was his reply to losing the decision. He showed concern for Briggs loss of his mother over any other thing. That is a true champion forever in my book. Big George did not seem to throw that huge upper cut that lifted men off their feet in his younger days. The only reason he lost to Jimmy Young was that the network asked him not to take him out early. Normally, forman would knock his opponents out early in his younger days. He would get gassed when someone clinched and held,well, the network needed more beer commercials, so they wanted the fight to last as long as possible. Young was not a threat with any power,he would run and clinch.
@MikenMc8 ай бұрын
George was a fucking unit, point blank period
@hydorah8 ай бұрын
Wow what a travesty. George is such a beautiful person. He was a fearsome beast in the '70s who knew he was hiding such wit and charm. Incredible
@eddief688 ай бұрын
20 years younger, and he would have run through him... not just beat him
@user-gy9dx7eu1y8 ай бұрын
George is the Great man after he gave his life to theTrue King, Jesus Christ...made George the best and the Greatest Boxing Champion of all time.
@JotimThingadane-eq3dt8 ай бұрын
George Foreman has always been a humble savage who doesn't make excuses and very different from a clown like Holmes who is full of scapegoats. Mike Tyson and George Foreman my best boxers ever.
@alexchaparro56578 ай бұрын
Boxing after dark saved my life😂
@christophercox9368 ай бұрын
George definitely won I remember this. How they took this fight from an older man is disgusting.
@robertdavis11287 ай бұрын
George is a Great Man he knows he won but so classy he is a legend
@rodneycarr29728 ай бұрын
This channel is superb!
@K-xb2qz8 ай бұрын
I didn't even know they fought. It was hard to stop Big George from coming forward. Like Vernon Maxwell said about Jordan " That mutha..... Just keep coming at you😅 💯
@user-ez5xj9bh6i8 ай бұрын
George,one of the greatest heavyweights,I follow him,Ali,Joe,they were real down to earth fighters, trained hard,and respected each other,not like today young fighters,heavyweight division, win a belt don't train, party,don't even get a good pay day.
@perhentzepetersen93108 ай бұрын
Foreman was ROBBED for a clear victory this day. Listen to the commentators and see the scorecard. Briggs was on the backfoot the whole night.... How on earth could the judges see Briggs as the winner?
@SpannerzIsHappy8 ай бұрын
It was their way of getting Foreman to retire
@perhentzepetersen93108 ай бұрын
@@SpannerzIsHappy It sure was. Otherwise he would still be figting to this day....!
@martyhowell40436 ай бұрын
...and winning most of them.@@perhentzepetersen9310
@nicholaspiscitelli76858 ай бұрын
George Foreman won that fight 👏
@nicholaspiscitelli76858 ай бұрын
That was shannon briggs he fought almost twice is age.
@twoweeledsoto60725 ай бұрын
George is a class act. Gotta love him.
@behardervishi71048 ай бұрын
George legend.
@telstar47727 ай бұрын
Astonishing to think he was 23 years older !
@fast_dallahz8 ай бұрын
George got robbed plain as day
@nycinstyle8 ай бұрын
YOU WON THAT FIGHT, GEORGE!!! No offense against Shannon Briggs, an excellent boxer. It is just clear to see, George was robbed.
@SharpShoot3r_146 ай бұрын
I like editing and narrating of the video. And George Foreman is amazing! Now I would like to see his fight against Tommy Morrison.
@tonyalways71747 ай бұрын
Briggs is a gutsy fighter and I’ve seen him in some real battles but in George’s prime he wouldn’t have last the first round and I don’t think he won this fight either.
@Dr.LessCharacter8 ай бұрын
Ive seen Big G given the decision once against Axel Shultz who beat Big G's eyes shut. But this was another bad decision agreed 💯%
@derekjones26047 ай бұрын
George Foreman the true boxing GOAT 🐐
@Strato135 ай бұрын
George is a class act. Very professional and wanting to set an example to his boys.
@Moza9608 ай бұрын
What an injustice 😮
@karlgilliesАй бұрын
My Jaw dropped, when they said George lost, the most corrupt decision i have seen.
@jeanclaudevandamme35708 ай бұрын
(Let's go Champ!) - George Foreman 😂
@anthonymead435920 күн бұрын
George was a class act in this fight. The way he took defeat just put him right up there in the eyes of the masses. Shannon Briggs was declared the winner of the contest but George left the ring a true champ. Sometimes it's just the man and the moment.
@Phantoman726 күн бұрын
Big George is such an enigma. He is literally the opposite kind of fighter in career two as compared to career one. Young George was a wild swinging impatient, mean spirited raw machine of power. Older George is patient, calculated, throws mostly shorter punches, lots of jabs and a kind heart. Man I miss watching Big George. Such a unique great champion.
@dannyo.71198 ай бұрын
George is top5 all time
@samy59308 ай бұрын
How he was able to fight like that at that age.... Amazing. How did he fight well 20 years before than that ? Look.. How he fight againt a guy bigger than him... Incredible
@venisiliva56758 ай бұрын
Clearly seen in my view that George Foreman is still a heavy hitter from his days with Muhammed Ali etc. Sad for Shannon Briggs didn’t go too far to cement his flamboyant in his time.
@parishjohnson25827 ай бұрын
Foreman is the real deal champ and he definitely won this fight with briggs
@geoffmaltby56065 ай бұрын
Even Shannon Briggs couldn't believe his luck 🤣🤣
@Dr.LessCharacter8 ай бұрын
Dave Maretti was the extreme spread in both Loma & Tank fights, that clear enough to ban him from boxing!!!
@user-os2tl7qp1yАй бұрын
George was an absolute tank . I've never known a boxer deliver such heavy punches and to take them ! Great athlete 👍
@PeterBeasom8 ай бұрын
Briggs wasn't in Foremans class
@iramiyahira83018 ай бұрын
Wow. Ole. George!!! Amazing!!! 😃😄🙏❤🤙🤜👊🤛❤
@shawnj16797 ай бұрын
I would've liked it if George attacked the body in the 1st 5-6 rounds, to slow briggs down. Then attacked the head in the later rounds.
@jhibreal358 ай бұрын
How did Big George not win this fight?
@landlubbr8 ай бұрын
Let's go champ
@sirfultonbishopАй бұрын
Correction to the comment at 4:45 “….considering Foreman had only ever been knocked out once, 23 years prior, by the great Mohammed Ali…” True, Big George hit the canvas but he was worn completely out and could barely stay on his feet. Ali knocked him down but even while he was lying there, his head was off the canvas and he was looking around. He wasn’t “knocked out”.
@rockyesterline79427 ай бұрын
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