I had two buddy's with Indians and they're back to Harley after a year or so.

You need more Indian customers if you want more dealers. Funny, when my buddy brought his 2021 Indian to the deal to replace his info system after it was in to repair it two months prior. They had it for two months to repair it and they give him a late model HD for a loaner. I guess they didn't want him breaking down on our trip. LOL

Polaris is handicapping Indian dealers by not allowing any other products on their showroom floor. That’s why my local dealer sold his business and it’s 3 miles from the factory. You can’t survive on only motorcycles when they’re seasonal luxury items. That’s exactly why two Harley dealers went out of business in the same area.

Indian is a dead brand. Indians are rebadged polaris 2 wheelers to go along with the atv

Harley has dealers all over but they all suck so that point is moot.

Hell yea! Thinking about getting one myself.

I too wish they had kept a few Victory models going. The Victory big sellers were the fantastic Cross Country and Cross Country Tourer and some Magnums when they closed shop in 2017. I have a 14 Cross Country and love it to death, and with only 25k miles, it is good for many more years. Yes that 106 was a great motor, so good that Indian based their Power Plus 108 on their Challengers and Challenger Tourers, as the 108 was under development as a Victory motor replacement to the 106. I have had my Cross Country Lloydz 501 cammed, and Lloydz hi flow filter, and a Techno Research Maximus ECU tune to about 115 hp and tq. The suspension blows the standard Harley dressers suspension out of the water.

As a Harley guy I always liked victory bikes and the style was cool!

Actually, Polaris made Victory, nice bike. They hauled production on Victory and took over the Indian name when it came available and started manufacturing bikes under the Indian name. .

@@dman4697 You’re correct. I already knew that. I was on the dealership floor buying my Victory Jackpot a week after Polaris made the announcement.

I miss victory too but I think they’re blending some Indian models with victory style lately

HD has pretty much abandoned the EV

There is nothing iconic about a brand that went out of business for 50 years

​@@Brian-zg9fftook the words right out of my mouth there Brian .🤔😉

@@Brian-zg9ff there‘s nothing iconic about a brand that was technologically behind as long as it existed, unless you name some tractors iconic. H-D. But as we love tractors, we continue to buy them, any brand.

Never should've got rid of Victory....imo

A used Harley can be a great choice. Fit & finish, reliable, easy to work on.

I didn't find Indians to be 'comparably cheaper at all to Harleys. Except for mabey the CVO line , which is far from average harley price.I've owned plenty of Polaris products. Thier 4 wheelers were great around 2000. Now they are junk. Cheap linkage, bearings ect. Made to break. If you can get 2000 miles without replacing them you are doing better than anyone I know.

What’s better about it

Everything except fit and finish. Indian has better power, comfort, handling, reliability, features…..styling is really up to each person

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Tested 5 different big-twin M8 harleys. Bought an indian 20 mins through the first ride. It now has 95tkm and went all across europe and north-africa, no issues and more presence than any harley - as they‘re not only old fashioned, what we like, but lacking ride-tech. Ol mama posing is all it is - Lipstick, even the new CVOs, zero innovation, all of them including the Panamerica. Sure Indian has paused, too in some lazy form, but they have build better platforms to live from. Harley still needs to get there. Chieftain Limited - here.

@@billfischer8057I have to say fit and finish come down to model and trim. I have a scout and they are on par with any sportster and in most cases better.

Polaris is being stupid with Indian dealers. They’re not allowing any other products to be on the showroom floor with Indian including other Polaris products. That kills business at dealers since motorcycles are mostly a luxury and not a necessity. Those dealers can’t survive off of just motorcycle sales and service which is seasonal. That’s exactly why two Harley dealers in my area went out of business.

Must be american thing because around here in Finland the official dealer of Indians is Bike & Boat World and they are also an official dealer of Vespa, Honda, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi and Piaggio. And this is just the new bikes as they also have the used bikes which can be practically any brand.

@@Coyote-wm5op In NJ indian is sold by motorcycle mall. One of the largest dealers in the country. They sell several different brands. That happened after the stand alone dealers went under.

I agree, unless you have a dealership within 25 miles of where you live.................

They both have dealership issues.

Well said. HD has left a void that will be filled by someone else and then when the tee shirt sales fall as the shrinking number of aging buyers meet their maker they will wonder why.

The debt HD carries will diminish real investment in product line development and Indian smelling blood will overwhelm them with more new models, more affordable options and outpace them in product development leading to market share gains. I think your estimate of 2029 is good but i think 2028 is possible

Good call man. Unless you're a RUB HD to give 2 shoots about you. Not working man's now they wanna be the Versace of bikes....good luck with that. Lucky they're are heaps of used HDs with low miles.

The Cheif and Scout are fine models comparing to the Bronx.

Do some research with people that have owned them, they're junk.

Everyone and their brother and I have a Harley because they are built better and are more reliable.

Pretty much so on par with airlines and baggage fees.

Indian just needs to worry about itself and het rid of bikes that dont sell as well stick with the ones that do and improve them and have some dark ops bike engineers to try to develop the next big deal. If they would stop putting ugly paint on the scouts and keep them looking good theyll sell better. If indian plans to add product to its line it should be good stuff in good segments that draw people in. They gotta be good sith the engineering so they dont end up like harley with more money than sense. Where they cancel the iron 1200s and sell a newer sportster s and frankly neither beat the indian scout and the only way the iron 1200 beat the scout was in raw character. They are both good looking bikes but now they dont make the irons anymore. Just the sportster s and nightster. To me an indian scout is better. Clearly. You see honda come out with the grom and no one competes while honda soaks up the money. Kawasaki eventually makes a z125 to comoete and it just cant the grom is the more popular bike. So it woukd be smart for indian to think carefully. Being smart about things will be beneficial. Polaris and indian together are harleys closest competition they should be serious.

Yep, I tested 5x M8 bikes, including the road glide, and the sport glide, now in addition even the panamerica. I bought an Indian Chieftain after that. And then rode my friends 2003 TC88 heritage. Sure, no comparison, but so much more soul and solidity in that TC88, I imagine the same, just more power on the 103. For a straight cruiser, a HD-TC, definitely, but my needs are different, going through the tinyest and bumpy roads quick and smooth, the Indian Chieftain (likely Roadmaster, too) is worlds better than any HD, even the new ones, thanks to the chassis architecture, it‘s not just some suspension. And it still feels like an old engine-soul bike, not as much though as a TC88. I may add a 2003 TC88 RG to my place, just for the sake of it. The coolest tourer in my eyes.

Trade it for a 2015 CVO Road Glide. I'm sure there are some garage queens out there.

Nothing's stopping you from buying another. There are tons of them out there barely ridden and the used market is soft. I have no idea why people buy motorcycles from the factory since most of them are barely ridden. Even low mile Evos are still plentiful.

I consider the Gilroy bikes with the S&S Evolution engines to be the best looking Indian bikes.

Listen I agree. The old sprotsters they cancelled a couple years ago were better in terms of the sheer character. It was almost flawed so bad to its own benefit. The cool factor was way high. The issue was they were slow and old. When harley cancelled those bikes they were very asthetic looking bikes. There was no radiators hoses and things. It was a very good looking bike on each side of the bike. They since cancelled them and came out with the nightster and sportster S. I think theyre both technically better bikes ON PAPER. But notivable worse in person. Faster better mpg more power torque, water cooled, thats big stuff. Bit the way harley did it isnt jiving with me. You look at the nightster and one side is sorta ugly and the other side is just ugly ugly. Theres a reason they only show the right side in every picture is a crap deal. Indian with the scout, it has liquid cooling but they also did a better job of actually tying things together so the bike looks good om both sides. So to me harley couldve repalced the old irons with more modern water cooled bikes that were better on paper but it also has to be better in person. Indian scout managed to capture a very classic look wuthout losing the more modern advancements and hakrey didnt do it as well recently i think. Theyd have been better off keeping the 883 or iron 1200s, 48s and 72s, and instesd of cancelling them and repalcing them with worse, they should have known for sure they had a better pridict in person and on paper before they cancelled them. The sportsters were worse bikes. Old slow and flawed but still the 883 was basically a piece of history. It had way more character than an indian. The issue now is indian makes a more refined bike but similar class vtwin design etc, harley wanted to refine the sportsters by canceling them and making new ones but they sucked at it. Indian just makes a better 1200cc i think. If yojr goingnto modernize snd refine you have to do a good job. The right side of the bike cant look done while the left looks unfinished. An indian scout looks good all around on each side. You got a 1200cc 6 speed. All its missing is cruise control. Indian sells really really high quality quick detatch windsheilds. Floor boards.. theyre notncheap bikes either of them i just think, why by a nightster when you can buy a base model scout and it doesnt loom ugly on the left side 😂

Same experience here. Took a big loss on the indian was worth it to get rid of it. Issue after issue then dealing with a bad dealer which has since gone out of business.

Ive had 3 indians. Roadmaster challenger and now a pursuit. Been damn near flawless bikes for me. My best riding partners were harley riders. Rode there first indians in 2015. No longer own any harleys. Now 2024 wouldnt even consider a harley now. Just sayin

@@leemitchell7879I’m just sayin’ too. It was an absolute turd. I’m glad you are having a good experience.

Listen to this guys, I bought a new 1999 victory and have been riding it ever since. It is the best motorcycle I have ever owned. And I have owned 5 Harley Davidsons, and I will never go back to a Harley, except a 1968 to 1972 Xlch or a 1940 Ulh. And I am very glad Indian is doing well, however, If I buy a new Indian, it will be a Kiwi Indian built by Mike Thomas from Riverside California.

Another whiner.

How is Harley still Harley. Look at its CEO?

Why do you say Indian isn't Indian?Was Harley still Harley when AMF bought them out?

Don’t be so confident: the Big 3 auto makers said the same thing. Harley’s dominance is not guaranteed.

The new street and road glides are cheaper on their website but they’re the same price as the old ones in the dealerships. And depending on where you go, they’re more expensive than the old ones with all the added fees that aren’t listed on the placards hanging from the handlebars. From everything I’m seeing that drop in price was an illusion to get people in the door. And to say it’s not Indian is ridiculous. You don’t call a Dodge Ram, a Jeep, or a Maserati a Stellantis. They are all owned by Stellantis so why not keep that same energy across the board? It’s like people don’t understand that most companies they interact with on a daily basis have parent companies that produce more than one name brand. The hate and sideways comments from Harley fanboys is so obvious it’s not even funny anymore. I don’t know if it it’s because the brand loyalty brainwashing is that strong or it’s because INDIAN produces better products from the factory that don’t require thousands of dollars in aftermarket products to make it worth riding after you’ve already bought the bike. Unlike Harley that continuously slaps on a coat of “new and exciting paint”, calls it new and improved and then directs you to the parts counter so you can “make it yours” because the basic stuff offered on almost every other brands bikes from the factory is only available as an up charged add-on. I’m not an Indian loyalist either. My favorite bike of all time is a Harley Fatboy. But I refuse to pay $21,999(MSRP), more like $25k plus out the door, for a bike that still has incandescent brake lights and turn signals in 2024. It’s a beautiful bike but come on. What are they thinking.

Better power than the Challenger! 😂

Victory sold 135k units total for the entire 18 year run. I I’m not sure if the numbers used in this video count worldwide sales. In 2016 HD sold 161,658 units in the US and 260,288 worldwide. Very close to doubling Victory’s 18 year sales number in one year.

They might be excited but at $60,000 for a CVO I don't think they are wetting their panties. 😉🤣Plus we like the old stuff . The Classic bikes we can still work on . Even Harleys are getting impossible to do that and you need $$$$$$of shop equipment to do so . Not many youngsters can afford to but either brand ,and sales will go down because of cost to buy , service ( if they can't swing wrenches or its even possible to do so ) . If not it's literally $150 an HOUR to have a grease monkey screw up your bike ( usually) after 47 years and counting I've sadly seen it happen more then not . No there is a law of averages but the days of on mass purchases of Motorcycles with the new generation is nowhere near what is was in my day .😎🇬🇧🇺🇲👍

It wont be a good year. Harley has to hope they sell enough street glides and softtails to pay for their hemoraging funds from the lifewire and the sportster and nightster that arent selling well i dont think. Itll be another year of working just to send it down the drain

They haven't made anything quality in a long time sorry best Harley is a rebuilt Harley Harley turns out nothing but junk

This makes no sense. You can literally get parts shipped to yourself like an iil change kit. I do it every year lol

Indian is also cleaning up at the flat tracks.

Air cooled V-twin "cruisers" can run in the super hooligan class currently.

Most Indian dealerships get rid of their used Harleys at auction, or get buy bids from local Harley dealerships. Which helps keep the Harley dealers stocked with used inventory. But most of the used Harleys at dealerships are still local trade ins for new(er) Harleys.

@@RidgeRoamer I just watched your 2024 Indian Bagger video, haven't found a reason to turn in my 2019. Has Indian and Harley continued the displacement wars?

@@jamesesenwein5152 Indians new releases will be at AIM in a week or two.

@@RidgeRoamerI can’t wait to see what Indian brings out!