When you promote someone too late

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@johnmckown1267
@johnmckown1267 2 күн бұрын
In my first job, out of college, my manager admitted to me that I was doing the work of a person 2 levels higher. But he couldn't do anything because I didn't have enough "experience" (years working) and HR wouldn't care that I was actually doing the work at that level. Changed jobs soon after & got a HUGE increase in salary.
@rubberknees
@rubberknees 3 күн бұрын
Sadly, I was derek for 15 years. I failed to see the light until I was fired during a certain mandate recently. Wow was I duped!!
@talidu8b
@talidu8b 2 күн бұрын
Welcome to the club brother, ... as sad as it is... best wishes
@ssaraccoii
@ssaraccoii 2 күн бұрын
Years ago I asked an upper manager what my chances of promotion were. I was told I was too valuable in the field. I then said, “So you’re telling me I have to be useless to be promoted?” He stopped, looked at me, and didn’t say a word.
@silverhammer7779
@silverhammer7779 2 күн бұрын
@@ssaraccoii He didn't have to say anything. At that moment, both of you knew that was EXACTLY what he meant. Of course, he was promoted into HIS job, so that sort of gave away the game... 😉
@lolwtnick4362
@lolwtnick4362 2 күн бұрын
@ssaraccoii yes. but try from this perspective. everyone complains and hates managers..because they are dumb. also you have to show value in other things that are not your job. through networking, sucking up, and giving credit to others in the club and Maybe they'll choose you. or you're just not a fit for the culture
@madwhitehare3635
@madwhitehare3635 2 күн бұрын
It makes you sweet and likeable, if that soothes the hurt..😘
@ProtoMario
@ProtoMario 3 күн бұрын
Trust they do not care about you.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 3 күн бұрын
It was a new one on me though when the company I just quit from didn't promote me, demoted me and expected that I'd do all the work having just been demoted so they could save a few cents an hour in salary. I'm personally laughing my ass off every time my sister-in-law goes there and sees that the department is more or less completely closed due to a lack of anybody actually there to work. They could have just paid the money, let me have my promotion and I wouldn't have just walked off the job and left them in the lurch. Sometimes, these things are so stupid that it's absolutely embarrassing. It's costing them a rather considerably amount of money because they wanted to make a point. Me, I'm going to be fine, I've got plenty of savings and plenty of better prospects from the skills I developed and the company won't benefit from.
@silverhammer7779
@silverhammer7779 2 күн бұрын
This is the toughest lesson for anyone just starting out to learn. But the sooner you learn this and understand the situation for what it is, the better off you'll be. It won't stop them trying to take advantage of you, but you'll be able to spot the signs a lot sooner.
@InsaneManiac
@InsaneManiac 2 күн бұрын
Know your worth
@NotALot-xm6gz
@NotALot-xm6gz 17 сағат бұрын
And they never have. It’s easier to see it now.
@tscimb
@tscimb 3 күн бұрын
This is far more accurate than any of us want it to be. But, somehow, mgmt just never learns the actual lesson
@Kyle-sr6jm
@Kyle-sr6jm 3 күн бұрын
Management learned the lesson a long time ago. This situation does not happen by accident.
@tscimb
@tscimb 3 күн бұрын
@Kyle-sr6jm They learned how to save money that never really moved their needle much anyway, yes. I *still* see them gape in confusion and panic when the only person who knows how to build/maintain/fix the things suddenly (or not-so-suddenly, when they look at it) quits. But, yes, I agree with you. It's planned predation.
@BB-tm3sx
@BB-tm3sx 3 күн бұрын
#unionize
@silverhammer7779
@silverhammer7779 2 күн бұрын
This is the downside of being too competent and effective at your job - you'll get stuck there as long as you're willing to tolerate it. In my long career in companies both big and small, I have almost never seen a truly competent worker promoted into management. I have seen legions of goldbricks and arse-kissers make it up the ladder, though.
@GameFuMaster
@GameFuMaster 2 күн бұрын
@@silverhammer7779 the real problem is that management gets paid more for just mere titles. If more jobs had actual performance bonuses that weren't merely capped at "better than average", you'd see more people stay
@Kwells92
@Kwells92 2 күн бұрын
The fact that Derek does 4-5 jobs IS the reason why he wasn’t promoted. If moved into a management position, he would only be doing 1 job. Then they’d have to fill 4-5 other jobs. Anyone in senior positions that take one responsibilities because of being short staffed are almost non-existent because hard workers are by design not promoted.
@annekekramer3835
@annekekramer3835 13 сағат бұрын
Promoting someone does not automatically mean to management. Juniors can be promoted, if needed even to senior. You increase the pay, benefits, etc and let them do the jobs they already did. Now you don't need a replacement at all.
@johnkessler9878
@johnkessler9878 3 сағат бұрын
I have been dereks supervisor and will guarantee I won’t promote him until I can replace him.
@jimmyhvy2277
@jimmyhvy2277 3 күн бұрын
Loyalty to the Corporation , will hold you back and Financially Screw you over !
@silverhammer7779
@silverhammer7779 2 күн бұрын
Loyalty is a two-way street. If you find all the traffic on your side of the street, look for the next exit. As Derek did.
@GameFuMaster
@GameFuMaster 2 күн бұрын
exactly because of the reason that was also stated, because if they promote you, they'd then have to fill in your position, which generally means a reshuffle all the way down. But for some reason, they think that having in-house knowledge run off is less efficient than spending weeks having to hire outside, then needing them to have months to be properly efficient in their role
@FelipeKana1
@FelipeKana1 3 күн бұрын
I'm living this, THIS, exactly this, not only in one job but IN TWO. CURRENTLY. Seriously. Wth
@BltchErica
@BltchErica 2 күн бұрын
Look for another, ask for higher than current pay grade and move
@TheUnicornQueenT
@TheUnicornQueenT 7 сағат бұрын
Or find what you're good at or passionate about and create your own business. They don't deserve you.
@vangu2918
@vangu2918 2 күн бұрын
This is why Gen Z isn't here for corporate shenanigans.
@harryricochet8134
@harryricochet8134 8 сағат бұрын
Ohh yes, the selfless martyrs of Gen Z, saving the world from their safe spaces with glitter pens, colouring books, Lego and pronouns! LMFRWAO!!!!
@lauram4444
@lauram4444 2 күн бұрын
Loyalty only goes one way
@TheUnicornQueenT
@TheUnicornQueenT 7 сағат бұрын
Basically SMH
@AndoCommando1000
@AndoCommando1000 2 күн бұрын
I’m in exactly this position right now, except I haven’t found a new job yet so I haven’t resigned. Was told by a manager I didn’t have enough experience for the senior position. Ironically, I have more experience than the manager herself. So yeah. It’s just a matter of time before I find that brilliant new job that will probably double my salary and have me doing a role (that includes public facing elements) what my manager incorrectly thinks I’m not experienced enough for.
@Sp4c3G195y
@Sp4c3G195y Күн бұрын
Definitely happens. Years ago I moved to another city and found out I was replaced by 3 people. Recent job our team was reduced from 6 to 3. Colleagues resigned & were never replaced. Fun times.
@Unicorn-jj2og
@Unicorn-jj2og 2 күн бұрын
I will be informing my boss later this year that if i don't get promoted i am walking.
@smokedbrisket3033
@smokedbrisket3033 2 күн бұрын
Don't threaten to leave. Just leave if you're going to. If you threaten to leave, they'll look for a reason to shit-can you. And if you threaten to leave and they actually promote you, there will be ill will directed towards you after the promotion. Unfortunately, that's just how it works.
@marym922
@marym922 2 күн бұрын
Line up a different job first, before saying this. Get references in place too. If need be, get co-workers or long-time friends and/or neighbours, to be references.
@Ryan-wx1bi
@Ryan-wx1bi Күн бұрын
I came to say something similar as the person above me. Just get another job, then give your 2 weeks notice. If they want you, they will offer that raise and extra pay. If they don't, then you have a new job and you can leave.
@AbrahamVillanueva1
@AbrahamVillanueva1 Күн бұрын
Even if you do get promoted, leave. Start looking for a job before actually communicating that, but, you should communicate that tbh
@techzone884
@techzone884 Күн бұрын
Just switch jobs. Even if they promote you, it'll be a hell for you
@Kyle-sr6jm
@Kyle-sr6jm 3 күн бұрын
If you aren't ready to walk, all you are doing is asking for a raise or promotion. If you look for work, find other positions, you know the market rate, and are prepared to walk if they won't negotiate.
@silverhammer7779
@silverhammer7779 2 күн бұрын
Definitely. Always have a lifeboat ready before abandoning a sinking ship.
@user-bs6vw3sq2p
@user-bs6vw3sq2p 2 күн бұрын
I worked at an engineering firm where the mentality was if you promote someone they have to learn their new job plus you have to fill their old job, so you've effectively created two positions. If they just quit, you only have to fill one position.
@orangeflame568
@orangeflame568 2 күн бұрын
This is the reason it is easier to job hop between competitors than to get promoted within an organization.
@nickmaclachlan5178
@nickmaclachlan5178 10 сағат бұрын
This was the mentality at my place, they would rather get rid of someone than promote them, and then get someone new in to fill the empty position (who then takes two years to work out what the hell they are doing). I wangled myself a permanent home based tech support role and now realistically do about 5 hrs work a week (plus whatever Teams meetings I'm invited to) and feel absolutely zero guilt for taking advantage of them after they've shafted me and all my colleagues and ex colleagues over the last 15 years. 10 years to retirement, but if I can hang on for 5 that might be enough as first pension kicks in then, or I'll take VR if there's another tranche and have done with it!
@tharanathrai4488
@tharanathrai4488 Ай бұрын
I've been watching your videos for the past few days and I absolutely love how well you've nailed down the acting! Keep it up 💯
@mrobbins129
@mrobbins129 19 күн бұрын
Derek needs to know his market rate, he let inertia kick in! The business got a great deal in this case sadly
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 3 күн бұрын
Yep, 2-3 years tops and it's time to jump ship for another company. And that's assuming the pay, benefits and work environment make that worth it for that time.
@robertthomson1587
@robertthomson1587 3 күн бұрын
So, so true. And we all know that she (the manager) does nothing.
@pr4360
@pr4360 16 күн бұрын
Oh no, dear, he has been working above his pay grade for 7-8 years :P
@silverhammer7779
@silverhammer7779 2 күн бұрын
Worse than that. I had been doing that for about two years and asked why I hadn't been advanced in salary grade. The answer was, "Well, you're already doing the work of someone two grades above you, and we can't promote you unless we can show that we're going to be increasing your job responsibilities." Yeah. Two months later, I left. Fuggem.
@DIrizarry07
@DIrizarry07 9 күн бұрын
Poor Derek, I can sadly relate to this one 😞
@alarriag1
@alarriag1 18 сағат бұрын
There’s a huge silver lining here, at least “Derek” was given the opportunity to taken on more responsibility and learn new skills that will command him more money and level in another company. An even worst scenario is when you want to take on more responsibility/tasks, even if unpaid, and the company just pigeonholes you to do your thing and nothing else.
@somethingedgy2185
@somethingedgy2185 Күн бұрын
Got my first promotion last week after five years of working my ass off and asking
@nickdigger5431
@nickdigger5431 Күн бұрын
Sounds like myself. The cool thing is I got seriously injured while performing my numerous jobs that they had to put 7, yes, 7 people to fill the positions while I recover. My supervisor is both dreading and rejoicing, the day I return. There is going to be a conversation on my pay.
@Thalanox
@Thalanox 10 сағат бұрын
I hope you enjoy your recovery and actually manage to get a liveable level of earnings from this.
@LadyCarlsbad
@LadyCarlsbad 11 сағат бұрын
I've been Derek at several jobs. I just walked away and they hired 4 people to replace me. When i repeatedly asked for these people they ignored me!
@purpleness64
@purpleness64 Күн бұрын
Same...i got promoted at the same time as someone younger than me and less experince.
@phildibello1141
@phildibello1141 2 күн бұрын
Hah! Perfect (perfectly bad) response.
@computerfan1079
@computerfan1079 21 сағат бұрын
You really got that "crappy HR lady" type down!
@HawaiiFoodAndFun
@HawaiiFoodAndFun 2 күн бұрын
Derek checking in. Still working above my pay grade. Still haven't called in sick in 5 years. Still getting written up by higher ups trying to shift the blame off themselves. Still fixing the computers of all the old ladies in the office who got hired when the fax machine came out. Still enduring all the loud ring tones in a professional office from those hard of hearing ladies. Still have a 3 yr old that I've never missed a feeding or diaper change. Still making dinner for my wife because I spoil her. Still teaching my son to read and swim because those things are important. Still checking in with my 80 year old parents on a daily basis. Still driving a 15 yr old car to save money and because I do all the maintenence. And still making youtube videos to try to supplement my income since my wife have never used her degree. Why? Because that's my choice and my character, and the character I want my kids to have.
@nickmaclachlan5178
@nickmaclachlan5178 10 сағат бұрын
You still got the big red stapler?
@HawaiiFoodAndFun
@HawaiiFoodAndFun 9 сағат бұрын
​@@nickmaclachlan5178stapler?
@user-zf3xb3qx8w
@user-zf3xb3qx8w 3 күн бұрын
Fun Fact: after growing up in the USA and now back in Canada, my birthplace, my main experience in Canada with people like this is that theyr'e BRITS. They LEAVE the "class system" in the UK, jump into management (something they seem to be really good at in self promotion), THEN CREATE the same "class system attitude" in Canada back home where they LEFT the UK because of it's ...........class system!! Hilarious, in a way. Give me a German or American boss any time.
@kathygreer2097
@kathygreer2097 2 күн бұрын
I’m an American, and a family member is going through this exact thing in a German owned company. They keep firing mngt and promoting fam. mem. to their job but fam. mem. has to do all the jobs because they’re not hiring replacements. Fam. mem. is now looking for another job. Wonder how many they’ll have to hire to replace her/him. So American/German companies are no better.
@Oligodendrocyte139
@Oligodendrocyte139 2 күн бұрын
I'm British and I'm genuinely intrigued about what you see as a class system attitude?
@lolwtnick4362
@lolwtnick4362 2 күн бұрын
there is a class system here in America as well. it's just not as obvious. in academia it is more obvious
@venusflytrap2622
@venusflytrap2622 20 сағат бұрын
As much as I hate to say this but it totally depends if your manager is a upjumped business management student or a "self-taught" manager that is familiar with the work you are delivering/had to do to get to the position you are currently at. Its funny how you can distinguish someone from working in an office as a student or if someone worked in one of the bonebreaking jobs such as retail, construction or customer service. Most of the time completely different mannerisms. One will squeeze you out like a lemon and toss you away, the other will have a higher chance to be rather humane towards you.
@Zoro007
@Zoro007 Күн бұрын
Yep, I was that man.
@jeremiahlarkins618
@jeremiahlarkins618 10 сағат бұрын
Not only did Derek quit that job, he quiet quit every job he had afterward. If you didn't give bro a raise after one month, three months, six months, a year, and every year afterward, you've dug your own grave.
@bobisgollis5168
@bobisgollis5168 2 күн бұрын
Yup..
@2MeterLP
@2MeterLP 2 күн бұрын
The corporation is not loyal to you, do not be loyal to the corporation
@AbrahamVillanueva1
@AbrahamVillanueva1 Күн бұрын
Wait, just to confirm, is it actually his bad in Europe too? I mean, I understand it being this bad in the US, a little in Canada, and of course in Latin America, but, is it THIS BAD in Europe too?
@venusflytrap2622
@venusflytrap2622 20 сағат бұрын
In short yes, most of the time its basically a business management student that only looks at numbers and doesnt think about the long term profit it would give holding a good employee not to mention all the diversity BS going on.(*1) Most of these students get indoctrinated in university that their work is far more worth and harder than any other work which in the end leads them to think of themselves as better humans. (*1)Trivia about the diversity thing, in the last years before my dad went into pension he had several meetings of his floor about the direction of the company etc. In one of them the younger guys asked if there is any chance as a guy to move up on the payscale in the near future. The answer was "If someone is dissatisfied with the situation he could talk in private with HR about that matter". We all know what that means translated ;-)
@johnb9587
@johnb9587 2 күн бұрын
Dei hire in action. No sense in having a competent person run the show.
@ernestayo6131
@ernestayo6131 15 сағат бұрын
Derek was an idiot to stay that long. Network with others in your field. Know your value. When others are being hired at much higher rates for the same work you do, ask your employer to match it. If they don’t find employment elsewhere or start your own company and contract to them or compete with them. My first realization that it takes two to be abused caused me to find other employment which paid over 3 times what I made with more time off! 😮 On a side note: the first guy they replaced me with was a conman who took them for thousands.the second was a drug addict. You get what you pay for. Pinch Pennie’s else where bean counters.
@SD-vy7gj
@SD-vy7gj Күн бұрын
God. I hate the parasite cast.
@MichaelPflaumer-hy7sk
@MichaelPflaumer-hy7sk Күн бұрын
Every corporation wondering why nobody wants to work anymore. HR is why.......
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