Remember the basic rule for Asoiaf theories. Everyone is a secret Targaryen except for Dani, who isn't one.

I just realised that maybe Pentos had figured out the whole power of kingsblood thing, that's why they elect their prince and sacrifice him when they need to. Now they've forgotten the original intent of it all.

Dany is a Dayne, Ashara is Quaithe, the house with the red door is in starfall, and Jamie was last seen a horse.. it is known😅

"So it turns out that Dany's dragons favourite sellsword, Brown Ben Plumm, may be a descendant of Elaena Targaryen, known for her white blonde hair with a stripe of yellow-gold in it." *Sees Viserion's colours* "I wonder if that will ever come up?"

Dany being a bastard raised as a noble and Jon being a noble raised as a bastard is the kind of mirrored parallel between the two that makes it shine for me. Ice/Male/Secret trueborn heir vs Fire/Female/Secret bastard. It can actually make Dany herself be the "mummer's dragon".

I’ve actually never heard the Tyrion being a twin who absorbed the other before (somehow) but I think that one actually makes 100% sense. Me and my partner are expecting twins this October so I recently found out the chance of women having twins increases with age so she is more likely to have twins after Jamie and cerci than before and the meleys the monstrous parallels - brilliant.

I'm almost certain Rhaegar and Lyanna married, in ACoK Theon has that vision where he eats with the dead in Winterfell. He sees Lyanna with a white dress, I've always assumed the implication there is that it's a wedding dress.

I sure do love when Michael Talks About Stuff

I love how GRRM just sneaks all kinds of references Like he COULD stick to mythological references but NO, he sneaks in comics, he sneaks in football, he sneaks in music, he sneaks in all kinds of jokes I feel like he might be in my dream blunt circle idk

Everytime this guy uploads, George has a cold sweat worrying how more he’ll figure out before he can write it 😂

Michael every time you upload one of these videos I feel my schizophrenia being held at bay for a while

About the chimera theory. Tyrion does not need Tywin to be his father to have Lannister traits. Joanna is already a Lannister. He can be the son of Aerys and still be half Lannister

Clayton suggs is most definitely a Dragon seed... The Shield alone is a dead giveaway cuz we have seen that sigil before

House longwaters didn’t make it onto this list? Nor house Penrose or hightowers or velaryons who all have Targaryen ancestors through Baela, Rhaena, & Elena Targaryen?

Oooh excellent video! I'll try to keep this comment as hinged as possible. Love the Clayton Suggs argument. Definitely think the "flying pigskin" sigil and the fact he hangs out with Godry "Giantslayer" supports to NFL idea. A barnyard animal with wings slapped on also echoes confirmed Targ bastard Bittersteel's sigil. Marwyn as a Brightflame isn't one I've heard, but I do kinda like it. He's rumored to be mad, just like Aerion's son Maegor. Aerion dabbled with magics and alchemic wildfire, while Marwyn hangs out with The Alchemist. It would deepen the Aemon connection since Marwyn would be his nephew or great nephew. The Tyrion section is spot on. I actually just this morning put out a big reddit post laying out basically all the same points. "It doesn't hurt the Tywin relationship as much as they say. It probably will be left open-ended, rather than explicitly answered. Maelys exists to set up the chimera possibility." Unsurprisingly, reddit hated that.

Aurane Waters is a great candidate for dragon seedage.

I'm so happy you finally made this vid! Haha. I thought about Clayton originally as a joke. But like most theories, the more you think about it, the more sense it makes.

Hey man, just found your channel a few weeks back and have been loving your stuff. Id like to maybe request that you make a playlist that just has all of your videos in it, like one that's "the whole channel". I listen to ASOIAF stuff to fall asleep and if I don't select a playlist and just do something from the videos section it will oftentimes switch away from the channel after 1 video :) Anyways just a suggestion, wanna help you get more views :) keep up the great work really been enjoying your stuff!

Rennifer Longwaters, the chief undergaoler of the Red Keep dungeons, is the descendent of Elaena Targaryen and Alyn Velaryon. Their son’s son founded house Longwaters. So house Longwaters comes from double Valyrian ancestry

Yes! Yes! Tyrion chimera theory!!! Not just his eyes arw different colors, that can happen other ways, but he also has two haircolors!!!

Great video Michael! I would love to see a collaboration between you and David Lightbringer

What about Shiera Seastar? Her brother, the three-eyed crow, is presumably a Blackfire. So maybe she is too. Her location isn't known, of course, but there is a rumor that she is actually Quaithe so if true she would definitely be able to make herself present to ride one of Daenerys' three dragons.

Before watching theres actually a few dragonseeds cut out of the show. Brown ben plum for example is one of the few living descendants of aegon dragonsbane(rhaenyra's son) and danys dragons like him well enough in the novels, theres of course potentially tyrion, jon, and daenerys, but theres also young griff, then theres the entire baratheon line considering orys may have been aegon the conquerer's illegitimate half brother(my favorite theory is thats where the name baratheon came from), then theres that theory in lore and in the community that use at least for the show may be confirmed whenever they get to the conquest, that all targaryens are bastards born not from aegon i but his sister and a bard she was fond of who had valeryian features with aegon's blessing.

I can't believe you didn't mention these two...(F)aegon...supposedly replaced by a flea bottom child, but more likely the actual flea bottom child,vand Varys...who, being from Lys, I believe is a likely decendent of Saera Targaryen ..the daughter of Jaeherys who ran off to Lys, or possibly a blackfyre decendent.Varys is said to have violet eyes somewhere in the books.

I got you on Noti G. Keep it up 👍.

Undead Stannis riding Ice Dragon would be fun

My take on Daenerys Stormborn is that she was the Dragonseed of Aerys and Ashara. The baby swap was done while she was a newborn with Aegon so that Viserys and his brother could be raised in separate locations. There was a previous instance of a Viserys and Aegon being separated and being raised in exile during a time of turmoil in Targaryen history right after the Dance of the Dragons. An added bonus was that Viserys might have a sister wife or bargaining chip if things didn't work out with the Martell marriage pact.

love the chimera theory its super interesting and something ive explored for my own story

imo, the whole point of the Quentyn Martell dragon claimer plot line was for George to cut out the possibility of distant-Targ descendants being possible dragon riders. Other than adding to Doran’s grief, there’s really no other reason for George to include the whole Quentyn death plot line. And by showing that a distant drop of dragon blood doesn’t let people claim dragons, George is able to streamline a lot of otherwise potential loose ends

Tywin saying he can not prove Tyrion is not his implys that he KNEW The Mad King slept with Joanna at that Tournament

Dany is a dragonseed, Jon is Ashara's son.

Is not clear if the current house velaryon has targaryen blood but I would still mention them, also the guard of Tyrion's cell in king'slanding tells Jaime he has dragonblood and it's confirmed, he is part of a minor house of the crownlands called Longwaters that comes from a bastard of Alyn Velaryon and Elaena Targaryen

My favorite dragonseed theory is that Daenerys is one. Just because it's the most impactful. The only one that would be important I would say. Because if any other character ends up being a dragonseed it's not really interesting. Even if it's Jon it's still just like "well he was a Stark bastard and now he's a Targeryen bastard". A bastard is a bastard. Doesn't mean much

Another popular theory about Marwyn is that he's a Martell. This theory is based on comparisons between the two Martell body types that show up. The wiry version and the blocky version. If he is a Martell then his comparison of himself to Aemon as not being trusted because of his blood makes sense. As does his association with Alaras. Both the Targ ideas work, but I think the Martell version has a slight edge because it explains other things like Alaras and fits with the aspects of the Martell plot like Oberyn. Always forget her name, the one in Braavos. Anyone descended from any of the houses that held Harrenhall. It's common to marry a daughter of the previous lord to cement your family's right to hold the castle. All the way from Qoherys to the mistresses of Aegon4. Any bastard connected to the Velaryons. Including the one Jaime talks to in the dungeon. There are a couple others, but their potential is more obscure and less plausible. As a note though, I wouldn't mind seeing your opinion on the parallel between Garth Greenhand and dragonseeds. A lot of the language like "blessed" seems to have an echo between the two.

In story, dragonseed Daenerys can make sense as a Valyrian wife for Viserys to increase legitimacy and avoid Essosi complications. Grabbing her would be an opportunity without much downside. Narratively, Daenerys claims entitlement to Westeros as her birthright. If that is stripped away, how does she react? Does she relinquish her claim or, much more likely, find a new justification? What would that justification be? Also, with all the secret Targaryen theories, it would be hilarious if our one for certain Targaryen isn't one.

My Kiddo's favourite ice hockey teams are Belfast Giants and Bristol Pitbulls. Waiting for GRRM to include this imagery....

I think the idea that it takes targ blood to ride a dragon is bunk! I feel like viserys talking to raynera, telling her aegons prophecy in front of the skull of balerian tells us that. It’s a variation of the riddle Varys asks Tyrion, where they teach us that power resides where men think it resides, but I seem to be alone on that

I liked the symmetry of Tyrion being a Targaryen because then he and Jaime are two brothers who killed each other’s fathers

I love the thought that Tyrion could be both The Mad Kings son and Tywin! The Danny dragon seed one is new to me. It's an interesting thought, but I don't think I can subscribe to it. Just wouldn't make sense as to why they would feel the need to bring her in. Unless they intended Vis to marry her?

I myself prefer that Tyrion is Tywin's son in totality while Jamie and Cercei are not his but Aerys'. The irony is great.

I thought dragon stone was just a castle? So people live on dragon stone? When Danny arrived at dragon stone, nobody was there. It was deserted

I think Marwyn is a Martell. That would explain the dragon blood and why the Citadel doesn't trust them. They have dragon blood and were strongly aligned with the Targaryens in the last hundred years or so, Reachermen hate the Dornish, and the Rhoynar are outsiders to whatever weird secret stuff is going on in Oldtown. The name might me a clue, Marwyn Martell would fit in with all the names the start with M and it's a lot of -yn names like Luwyn, Oberyn, and Quentyn.

If George wants to screw with theorists, making Quentyn a dragon rider would do the trick extremely well.

This question is my Roman empire. Since Preston Jacob is taking up finishing the books I thought this could help in Bran/Daenerys arc later on. And also where the targaryens princess went and where there little lordlings too?

To further support Tyrion Targaryen theory which I hate by the way, the only other people (that I remember) with mismatched eyes aka heterochromea are a Targaryen and a Targaryen bastard- Alyssa Targaryen and Shiera Seastar. Get this, both had a GREEN eye and the other is a violet (Alyssa) or a dark blue (Shiera) eye respectively.

can you make a video about all the potantial dragon riders

There looks like there's a little wiggle room in the world book regarding Aerys being Jaime and Cersei's father. It says Joanna was dismissed by the queen and seldom visited King's Landing thereafter.

25:10 There is a theory that Danny is actually a Blackfyre.

There is a whole family of Dragon seeds from a bastard house that still exists in the Crown Lands. The Long Waters

When the Sun rises in the North and sets in the South, When KZfaqrs stop getting sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends....The Winds of Winter will blow into your nearest bookstore or Amazon link and we will find out if these predictions ring true

There's no telling where Aerions son Maegor went. Him only being denied the thrown because of his name and his fathers madness. Also Rennifer Longwaters 😎

yay posted 20 seconds ago!

I think Michael is a Dragonseed.

Aurane Waters?

Could the Tattered Prince be a descendant of Saera Targaryen?

I'm actually kinda pedestrian on this... as much as I'm shipping N+A, if I'm being real R+L probably does = J. So Jon will ride one (Rheagal) with Tyrion (I am almost 100% sure Tywin is sterile and all the Lannister kids were Aerys's...it's pretty heavy-handed once you're looking for it). So either Tyrion or the "Night's King" (who might be Stannis and/or Euron....maaaaaaybe Bran) will ride Viserion...honorable mention/wild card goes to Val, cause she's gonna be important for sure and I have no idea what or who she is Oh and I think a strong enough warg without any "dragon blood" could ride a dragon, tbh...

"..in footballing terms it would have been a great dunk.."

Is it Clayton Suggs? Or is it pronounced Shugs? As in short for Sugar. Suggs is short for Sugars.

So... Pentos is France.

It would be funny if instead of jon or faegon, Clayton "Squid Game" Suggs got to ride one of danys dragons

Aurane waters and Reniffer Longwaters absolutley would quilify

Tyrion COULD be a chimera and both Tywin and Aerys are his fathers....see the mismatched eyes.

who in the fat fish of a phenomenal Farfegnugen F IS MARWIN???? Probably a dragon seed, yes, but kind of a D move to drop this SUPER mysterious dude into the story then 12 years later we're all like ummmm yeah that was weird who the F was that guy???

Tyrion DOESN'T have dragon dreams. He has dreams about dragons which he is obsessed with. It is completely different. The dragon dreams are prophetic visions. Tyrion's dreams were not.

Renefer longwater the dragon lord

Gendry was Cersei & Robert's....he's the one true heir to the Iron Throne. Hahaha for real tho

For the algorithm.

I'm not the first comment, and I'm not the best comment. But boy do I exist.

It's very clear that Jon is not a bastard?

I might edit this comment, but OG First Night is Ius Primae Noctis..and 'heir of the body' means Legitimate Heir. It means that they did have children; they were considered illegitimate. Fitzroy is someone to look at-but historically there was a king who takes the throne as a bastard. And the word 'Sigil' is a word for magical symbol-it is NOT a Family Crest or a Coat of Arms-it is a Sigil and combined with words it is literally a magical invocation of some kind. Mance Raydar is raiding tombs in text-and Illyrio has a Manse that has treasures in it, so did Winterfell, so does the Wall. Mance Rayder IS literally a Manse/Tomb Raider.

One thing that the show did which was weird was try to cope and make Lyanna and Rhaegar married. Rhaegar and Elia were married under the Seven. They do not grant annulment (such a thing isn't even mentioned). And if the Faith is modelled after Catholicism, as it is, you cannot annul a marriage that is properly instituted and has issue, i.e. children. Annulment is usually granted when there is some sort of clear violation of the requirements of the sacrament and even then only if the Pope or bishop is favourable to the case for some other reason. The other option for Rhaegar is some sort of Valyrian polygamy ceremony or old gods marriage. Which has the problem that now your child is a bastard in the eyes of most of Westeros, since polygamy is invalid and I don't think the Old Gods allow for polygamy anyway. So the marriage can't be valid that way. I personally don't think Jon is a Targaryen anyway. But I especially don't think him being a legitimate royal heir in anyway makes his story seem interesting. He's about how your character and not your birth determines your worth. He's noble of character in spite of being bastard born. He is mentally anguished by his desires to rule Winterfell, so much that he has multiple nightmares about it. He even rejects Stannis' offer of legitimization on the grounds that he has no right to Winterfell. (He also doesn't want to destroy the weirwoods.) I think if Rhaegar wanted a saviour, he would breed one even if he were a bastard.

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