Where did Boeing go wrong?

Where did Boeing go wrong? | The Story

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The aviation giant, Boeing, is facing intense scrutiny after a series of incidents involving their commercial planes. The company was once a pillar of America's post-WW2 industrial empire - so what’s gone wrong?
Guest: Dominic O’Connell
Host: Manveen Rana.
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@SkepticalTeacher 3 ай бұрын

If it's Boeing, we're not going!😂

@TrungNguyen-vq1yu 2 ай бұрын

Don't.

@Ehan_Shabi Ай бұрын

The last I took a boeing plane was in jan 1st, all before this happened

@WorksOnMyComputer 3 ай бұрын

Q. Where did Boeing go wrong? A: McDonnell Douglas

@luskvideoproductions869 3 ай бұрын

Thank you...I have my money on that, lets see if Stories of Our Times can see that elephant in the room lol

@luskvideoproductions869 3 ай бұрын

Annnnd it turns out they didn't even mention it...figures, PBS and even John Oliver's show have done a better job explaining why Boeing rotted out over the years AFTER the merge happened. Jeeezz!

@sauvignonblanc0 2 ай бұрын

Never forget which company made the DC-10-Mc Donnell-Douglas. It was plagued with issues.

@user-xb4cs7ui3j Ай бұрын

You got that Right!

@charlesfaure1189 3 ай бұрын

I worked for years at a company that had been taken over by a banking conglomerate. The business model changed. Over a period of years I saw the finest work force I had ever been associated with destroyed. I saw quality decline. I saw regulations evaded and ignored. I saw documentation falsified. The new upper-level management was obsessed with generating stockholder returns to the point that our end-user customers weren't our customers any more--the stockholders were. Cost-cutting became the primary measure of performance reviews at all levels, and the rule was to keep the workforce to a minimum that would keep lines running (and at full rate.) The basic economic rule that some surplus labor is essential to keeping an economy running ('cause stuff goes wrong, people are out sick, etc) was ignored and lines consistently were running understaffed. The first thing that doesn't get done when you're understaffed on a production line is...quality assurance documentation.

@tamlandipper29 3 ай бұрын

Have you considered partnering with a university to publish a paper?

@rodkennedy9800 3 ай бұрын

Very convenient the whistleblower ‘taking his own life’ BEFORE completing giving his evidence! I THINK because he could not be fully cross examined that all or part of his testimony is inadmissible. Once again very fortuitous timing for Boeing!!! 🤔

@Werrf1 3 ай бұрын

Not really - everything he had to say is already out in public, and now there will always be suspicion that Boeing had him murdered. This was a worse outcome for Boeing than simply losing the case would have been.

@Werrf1 3 ай бұрын

"I changed the culture of Boeing [...] so it's run like a business rather than a great engineering firm" - Harry Stonecipher, CEO and vandal.

@luskvideoproductions869 3 ай бұрын

I like that title "CEO and vandal"...im gonna start using that, much like Stephen Colbert uses a similar line when showing a picture of someone, say "(Insert Politician Name), seen here...." and just slamming their image (rightfully lol)

@SimonWallwork 3 ай бұрын

When they removed authority from their Engineers and gave it to their Accountants.

@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 3 ай бұрын

That is why I left aviation industry in the mid 2010s.

@johnepskamp7341 3 ай бұрын

Thanks to Trump. He did this with an executive order. Everything he touches dies.

@oxyseptpbh 3 ай бұрын

Actual professional accounts wouldn't make the decisions Boeing made - The MBA's & FINANCIAL ENGINEERING crowd, releasing shareholder value are the ones that are at the root of this & most of those are not really accountants at all. Boeings Culture seems to have stated to shift after the MacDonald Douglas merger.

@mikedx2706 3 ай бұрын

MBA's are the kiss of death for corporations once they get put into positions of power. Look at the American auto industry for a prime example.

@user-xb4cs7ui3j Ай бұрын

And moved the main office to Chi Town.

@gdutfulkbhh7537 3 ай бұрын

They went wrong when they started hiring MBAs instead of engineers.

@trilight3597 2 ай бұрын

That gets repeated a lot but I honestly think that it's them being a Monopoly is the problem too.

@cskvision 3 ай бұрын

23:31 - It was NOT self inflicted. Boeing whistleblower John Barnett said, "If anything happens (to me), it's not suicide."

@musicbruv 3 ай бұрын

So, he killed himself to tarnish Boings reputation even further, maybe.

@TheBeingReal 2 ай бұрын

Unless you have proof, you are purely guessing.

@Luumus 3 ай бұрын

This is what happens when you prioritise profits and share value over quality and safety. When you reduce regulations, or even worse, when you give the regulatory power to employees of the company which you are regulating. When Booeing becomes one of the top companies lobbying the USA lawmakers to reduce regulation. Monopolies are never good, but I'm glad to see Airbus' business model based on the EU culture and safety regulations have far more success than the wild profit over people capitalism of Booeing.

@mmmhorsesteaks 3 ай бұрын

I'm gonna say it was the merger with mcdonnell-douglas.

@mattgrant9479 3 ай бұрын

It won't be long until flight websites have an Airbus Only tick box.

@knightsnight5929 3 ай бұрын

Already do

@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 3 ай бұрын

Boeing. I had tremendous respect and also have for Boeing. 737 and 747 were life changing and damn safe products. We Europeans learned almost anything from Boeing. But now Boeing is not Boeing any more. As well as Porsche, ... and I have been at all of them. It is common human behavior in our times. Money i the indicator for success today. Not engineering or social behavior. We messed up.

@michaeldunham3385 3 ай бұрын

@@knightsnight5929nope

@aikurin3265 3 ай бұрын

Have to also recommend John Oliver's peice on Boeing. Looks at how their corporate culture changed away from quality. Hearing workers on the factory floor saying they wouldn't want to fly in the planes they were building was chilling.

@robwilkins698 2 ай бұрын

When workers on the 737 Max were asked on the job if they would fly on the very planes they were building, all of them said, "No."

@engineered-mind 2 ай бұрын

Any company that disregards its engineers is bound to collapse

@PaulSmith-bb7lv 3 ай бұрын

Always good to hear a balanced report and the British do it better than anyone.

@Thought_Processing_ 3 ай бұрын

Well with everything except our politics then it is heavily slanted in favour of the Tories.

@rortrp 3 ай бұрын

Last week tonight, Jon Oliver was earlier and very thorough

@Wargasm54 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s not true at all. Both the Brits and the Americans peddle BS in heaps.

@prophetsnake 3 ай бұрын

Bwawehahwhahwh! That's hilarious.

@iandibley8032 3 ай бұрын

It's a pity. Boeing today couldn't go back to using managers from the era of the 727 & 747 those managers could manage and had real vision.

@ThriveChen 3 ай бұрын

What’s wrong? Too many MBA! Storytelling culture!

@lokmanmerican6889 3 ай бұрын

That gaping hole in the fuselage is a passenger's worst nightmare.

@Werrf1 3 ай бұрын

Trust me, there are _much_ worse outcomes possible for a passenger.

@lindafukuyu5767 3 ай бұрын

I sued to work at Boeing. Let me tell you, Instead of focusing on the Safety and Engineering .. they're so many Managers .. I mean Manager has a manager and that manager has another manager and that manager has another manager .. about 3 managers to report to. Also, they don't care about the quality. What they care is the Performance on Paper for Management report to the investors. Do you think they care about the passengers and employees ? NO !

@ChicaG-vg7pj 3 ай бұрын

I worked in a place that was taken over by bean counters. It was horrible, and destructive.

@EricIrl 3 ай бұрын

Boeing did not start in the Second World War. They were founded back in 1916 - in the middle of the First World War. By 1941 they were one of the largest aircraft manufacturers in the world and famous for their bombers - especially the B-17 and the B-29. Although they had produced some useful and innovative airliner designs (the 247 in the mid 1930s and the 307 in the late 1930s, they were not a big player in the airliner market at the time. The "big boys" were Lockheed, Douglas and Martin. Boeing only rose to prominence as an airliner manufacturer with the advent of the 707, America's first jet airliner. They didn't "mastermind" the Saturn V. They built the first stage of the Saturn, the S1C. The second and third stages were bult by North American Aviation and Douglas. The actual Apollo spacecraft was built by North American and the Lunar Module by Grumman. The overall project was managed by Werner Von Braun's team at the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama.

@SarahTheNearlyInSP 3 ай бұрын

This is terrifying!! Glad I can't afford to fly!!

@steveburton5825 3 ай бұрын

That whistleblower likely got Hillaried. Boeing has everything to lose and it isn't just Boeing, it's Vanguard, BlackRock, and all the suppliers, etc. Dominic is absolutely right. There is no way the US will let Boeing fail and despite all the noise, aircraft have never been safer.

@adshdhhhd7783 3 ай бұрын

You could also have mentioned the 777x debacle and the 787 many issues following its launch. The company has been in trouble for quite a while now.

@magnushelliesen 3 ай бұрын

This is an episode with much more depth than other material I’ve heard 🤩

@ED-es2qv 2 ай бұрын

This video must have been done just before the spoilers started malfunctioning due to improper wiring installation.

@JamesFaye-lt4dv 2 ай бұрын

Just for fun folks our whistle blowers are dropping like flies.

@trevorwhitham6742 2 ай бұрын

Barnett didn’t off himself

@aerohk 3 ай бұрын

very well made

@CarlosAndresR 2 ай бұрын

I actively avoid flying on all 737max and all dreamliners. They need to be accountable and my children need me. Their merge with MD was the worst thing that could happen to all flying passengers.

@eskay2012 3 ай бұрын

Oh gosh, I went on an airplane and only to realised it is a Boeing 737. Only noticed it is an older aircraft and not those new and modified (so called improved) planes. 😮

@rajeshraghavan2248 3 ай бұрын

"GREED KILLS" There is something called "KARMA".

@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 3 ай бұрын

Best regards, AIRBUS. 😂 you guys just messed it up for share holder value 😂 🤜 Boombiddybyebye.

@peacebewithyou4838 3 ай бұрын

Good discussion about the symptoms. You need to drill down to the root cause.

@lornespry 2 ай бұрын

Boeing DID NOT START doing the Second World War, or even close to it! Perhaps the reporter made a slip of the tongue at 3:26 and meant to say 'WW I'. Boeing supplied beautiful little biplane fighters for the US armed forces in the 1920's and '30's. By the late 1930's, Boeing was a pioneer in the development of both civil and military long range, high altitude aircraft. The company built large flying boats that serviced the Asia Pacific and other routes. The Boeing B-29 that entered service in the latter stages of WWII cost more to engineer and develop than the Manhattan Project. After WW II, Boeing produced a succession of long range aircraft designed to attack the USSR - some of which are still in front-line service. By the late 1950's, the introduction of the passenger jet 707 airliner helped to profoundly change air travel to something more familiar with what we experience today. Reports from various quarters indicate that Boeing's corporate culture changed a great deal during the last decade.

@user-bu9nb8wr6e 3 ай бұрын

Cutting corners on production costs as with all things money.

@koenignero 3 ай бұрын

It’s an US company… so who expects quality?

@michaeldunham3385 3 ай бұрын

Well there's a racist comment

@koenignero 3 ай бұрын

@@michaeldunham3385Well "US Companies" are not a race.

@michaeldunham3385 3 ай бұрын

@@koenignero you're singling out companies based on the national ownership, don't bother trying to be clever by saying companies themselves are not a race......your meaning was perfectly clear

@antoniobabb1938 3 ай бұрын

Federal run company things go wrong when you don’t listen to engineers

@lornespry 2 ай бұрын

Around 27:00. Ok, the reporter states that the public is extremely safe in air-tarvel as never before. But what about all those airframes currently in service of which 'Spirit Inc' production personnel who were interview declared they would not fly on a Boeing they had helped build. Don't take my word for it - their comments are recorded here on KZfaq. Well ... what can you trust on media these days, but ....

@caspiannakahiki6977 2 ай бұрын

I will only travel on commercial airline that utilizes Airbus equipment.

@andrzejczakow8606 3 ай бұрын

The same reason why British Engineering companies closed. Rather than engineering priority the accountants came in and wanted to cut cut cut to improve profits. The same is now happening wth German companies for example Mercedes quality has declined. The other factor is the workforce cars built in México for example Hondas are full of faults. Turkish workers at German car companies did not have the same thought and pride in doing a good job.

@bernardcooke 3 ай бұрын

well worth watching the documentry by aljazera its shocking about boing a member of the production line says he would not fly on one. they take secret cameras in the factory.

@rey1953 3 ай бұрын

This door blowout is starting to sound like sabotage. Hard to believe that someone would inadvertently not replace the bolts and then none of the usual documentation.

@Dude0000 3 ай бұрын

When you hire engineers on immutable characteristics instead of competency, this is the inevitable consequence. Many, many more have preceded them, and more will follow. Meritocracy is the concept that built the modern world.

@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 3 ай бұрын

20:18 Anybody who has patience in the FAA anymore? Me not.

@dafyddllewellyn6636 2 ай бұрын

It's not, I am sure, as simple as you may think - These aircraft must be certificated (i.e. shown to be able to comply with a statutory design standard - in this case, FAR Part 35) - and the problem with that is that Part 21 of the U.S. Federal Aviation Regulations contains a provision for "Delegation Option" - which allows a manufacturer to be delegated by the Administration to find compliance, instead of requiring full FAA overview of the process. Australia revised its regulations in 1998 by adopting the majority of FAR Part 21 - but we left "delegation option" out of it. That is how the 737- 800 got certificated with a longitudinal stability problem, allegedly fixed by software instead of enlarging the tailplane, I would suggest. A friend of mine who used to fly 727s and 737s once remarked "Fly by wire is OK so long as the wire is 7 x19" - i.e. aircraft control cable. The FAA has been too soft in allowing "Delegation option" to replace its own competence. That's the design side of the problem. The other side is the manufacture problem - a manufacturer of commercial aircraft is required to have a "Production certificate" which requires that he has procedures in place that ensure that every aircraft he builds is exactly the same as the prototype that qualified for a Type Certificate; this process enables the manufacturer to issue an Airworthiness Certificate. The problem of the door coming off was clearly due to a breakdown in the manufacture quality control, in my view - the design was OK provided the bolts were correctly installed, which should have had, but obviously lacked, a second inspection. That is also a failure not only by the manufacturer but also by the FAA in its supervision.

@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 2 ай бұрын

I know Federal Aviation Regulation and also the authority. Back then it was a absolute safety system with all you need. Certification was undoubtable. But as Boeing and the FAA both refused to do it right for mor beans I am only trusting in EASA from now on. They bullied the whole safety principle that made flight safe. This is not to forgive. FAA is the same rotten bunch of idiots as Boeing.

@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 2 ай бұрын

Certification of MCAS is Impossible as simplex design acc. all regulations. But it was... Failure of horizontal stabilizer or elevator equals in catastrophic event and elv is as well as MCAS part of a class 1 system so it has to be built redundant or like rotor shafts of helicopters fail safe AFA. No help me with all valid regulations how something like MCAS was qualified and certified if not in a criminal act where FAA and Airframer was part of.

@michaelgothenburg364 3 ай бұрын

I don't think Boeing will go down, they are simply too big to be allowed to fail. They will be forced to go back to basics and that means wind back many changes implemented from 2010 or so onward. Fundamentally, we need company loyalty back, that means less outsourcing. Boeing outsourced because they didn't want to deal with various problems, outsourcing didn't make the various problems smaller, it just moved them and destroyed the overall loyalty. A sense of company loyalty, paired with openness will go a long way

@martintowle1308 2 ай бұрын

The answer is simple: greed. A world built on passive income.

@lornespry 2 ай бұрын

NO ... the computer software was NOT essential to make the 737 Max fly. It was a bodge designed to ensure the aircraft would pitch exactly like earlier models and thereby make more extensive simulator conversion training unnecessary. This was supposed saved buyers of the new model money in crew training. The problem, as stated in the radio program, was Boeing''s decision to not disclose details to aircrews. Moreover, as also stated, there were problems with computer software. Where was government agency oversight?

@GH-oi2jf 2 ай бұрын

That's correct. All it was supposed to do was to tweak the manoevering characteristics.

@radiosnail 3 ай бұрын

It would be a tragedy if Boeing failed. I'd worry that Airbus might get a bit complacent.

@johnnydoe3603 3 ай бұрын

It’s Capitalism in US & Not just Boeing. 🤣🤣

@prophetsnake 3 ай бұрын

the 787 incident had nothing to do wiht the design or safety of the aircraft itself. Zero. Nil Zip.

@chrisdidonna7371 3 ай бұрын

Latam airlines incident has nothing to do with Boeing

@basrurdilip8035 2 ай бұрын

Of course it has. The faulty rocker switch on the pilot's seat.

@iancormie9916 2 ай бұрын

Where did they go wrong - same place as much of American and Western industry. Share holders and bean counters have been calling all the shots for the last 30 years. Engineering excellence has become secondary to mindless profits.

@tra757200 3 ай бұрын

It is somewhat misleading to suggest that all these issues are related to manufacturing. Airline maintenance is critical to keeping an aircraft in the air. That said, What is happening at Boeing now is eerily close to what was happening at McDonnell-Douglas decades ago. After the he MD-Boeing merger took place and the MD management got their greedy hands on Boeing, they started milking the company and its customers for everything they were worth. The root cause of all Boeing issue today can be directly or indirectly traced back to the merger. If it were me, I would clear the c-suite of all non-aeronautical masters, (and above), degreed people and replaced with aeronautical engineers, holding at minimum, a masters degree with 10 years plus in the industry. In addition, management down to director level should be required to hold a minimum of a BS in aeronautical engineering with 5 years minimum in the industry. I would also suspend Boeing's ability to trade on any stock market for 10 years or more, if not permanently. Building aircraft for the purpose of transporting the general public, should only be measured by the safety and quality of the product. Profits should never enter their equation for success, although it should be one of their priorities. Congress and the FAA has some responsibility in all this by not recognizing and or funding the FAA to levels where they aren't forced to hand over responsibly to their "customer".

@WoodstockG54 3 ай бұрын

Where? Money kills.

@lazarddiankson1400 2 ай бұрын

Can we say there's a cover up from Boeing 😮.

@martinjameslewis5702 3 ай бұрын

cutting corners for profit

@lilianabatista9867 2 ай бұрын

Boeing doesn't care about people's lives....

@normmcrae1140 3 ай бұрын

Up until the early 2000's - Boeing was run by ENGINEERS - and their products were FIRST-Rate. Then control passed to Accountants and "Businessmen". When this happened, the Washington plants were downgraded, and production is now concentrated in South Carolina. This meant that DECADES of experience was lost, and the new technicians (who build the planes in SC) were MUCH more susceptible to the whims of Upper Management - including cost-cutting, improper paperwork, and improper procedures. Overlooking VITAL DETAILS. THIS is the ROOT CAUSE of Boeing's problems. This will ONLY be solved by a complete re-arrangement of Upper Management FIRING EVERYONE who is involved in this "new" management scheme, retraining of ALL Technicians involved in aircraft construction, Allowing Engineers to have the FINAL decision in ALL matters of safety, and the complete overhaul of Company Attitude.

@luskvideoproductions869 3 ай бұрын

ARRRGH, Times, you are soooo frustrating!!! You cover many notable events (one that I dont even remember hearing about on national news), and you start to paint the picture of what's really wrong with Boeing...but then yall missed landing that final plant of the routine by NOT mentioning the merger of McDonnell-Douglas with Boeing Senior mgmt. in McConnell-Douglas infected Boeing with "their" ways, namely focusing on profits and not quality....and that had a downhill effect years later, leading to us to EXACTLY where Boeing is today. It was a slow rot, but it was rot nonetheless.

@ruvanefriebus-cv6td 2 ай бұрын

DEI Poor quality control and focus on profits over safety

@Wargasm54 3 ай бұрын

DEI

@patricksarsfield8857 2 ай бұрын

Greed

@Mr---mr4ll 3 ай бұрын

I just binged watched Goliath … someone really needs to hire billy McBride … he’ll sort this out in no time…. Definitely needs patty’s help

@cpnlsn88 3 ай бұрын

My opinion is that the only answer is for the US to nationalise the company to stabilise it.

@youtube6238 3 ай бұрын

They should go out of business. It’s already corrupted. More government is never that answer.

@cpnlsn88 3 ай бұрын

@@youtube6238 Much aviation relies on their planes. I think there must be doubts they will be able to produce a replacement for 737.

@Dude0000 3 ай бұрын

Simple, the inevitable competency crisis brought about with the implementation of DEI.

@kenmurray4005 3 ай бұрын

BS. Their new bosses put profit and their own bonuses ahead of safety. To cut costs even more they outsourced much of the work overseas.

@Dude0000 3 ай бұрын

@@kenmurray4005 are you basing that on persecution? I’ve listened to the Executives and read their reports.

@estherwilliams9036 3 ай бұрын

diversity over quality...boeing aerospace.

@user-ui3np1hk7y 3 ай бұрын

Boeing was a great company, it was merged with Mcdonnell Douglas it's HQ was moved from Seatle to Chicago and McDonnell Douglas corporate culture overtook it , Yes the people who brought you the Dc10 bringing in a risky cost cutting ethos.

@janfalkhermansen9907 3 ай бұрын

Like other Us company money before people

@muddyfeet69 3 ай бұрын

I'm from Germany and I would fly on a Boeing - but only if it is a solid older 777 or an 757, 767, 747. All the others made by Boeing are a "no go" for me. The 737 MAX is a desaster! Completely bad planning, which was at the expense of safety. You should scrap the entire “Max” series. Maybe Boeing should go back to their roots and build safe, reliable aircraft and not always look to Airbus. Nothing is worse than a bad reputation in the business.

@killyourtelllievision 2 ай бұрын

Where did Boeing go wrong? Well for starters by having an "E" in their name when Boing would have had so much more appreciation and brand recognition. LolOwell BTW