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Where did the Aryans come from? | Episode 2: The Problem with Out of India Theory

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A counter narrative to the Aryan Migration Theory is that Aryans originated in India and migrated outwards. This 'Out of India Theory' has flaws which is discussed here.
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@millennialmind9507
@millennialmind9507 Ай бұрын
Here's the issue. Rigveda mentions king Sudas vs battle of 10 kings on the banks of a river(I think its Ravi). King Sudas was Victororious. He pushes all the 10 clans westwards (on the Pakistan and iran side)
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@millennialmind9507 there isn't mention of exact geography in the rigveda. It's all conjecture based on Puranas which were written down much later.
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@user-fh7mt4ox5c you clearly have not understood or even watched the video. I have mentioned it. Either you are an ignorant and opinionated person or simply a troll. Don't bring in Bible as I don't consider it to be true. Your argument is another fallacy, if you can't prove your point , you try to prove something else false.
@gangadharhiremath7306
@gangadharhiremath7306 4 күн бұрын
How far away they were driven? No body knows.In ancient literature exaggeration was a routine thing.Bharata or Kuru or Ikshvaku clans were not very big clans and their capitals were not really magnificent but we all know how the things ate exaggerated in M'bharata or Ramayana.Till Buddha's time it is mostly improbable that the vedic ppl would have crossed the Vindyas. Today's Sri Lanka,Kishkinda of K'taka are definitely not related to Ramayana. Kishkinda of K'taka is as recent as Vijayanagara empire when the Vaishnavite brahmins named places around Hampi with names from Ramayana.
@gangadharhiremath7306
@gangadharhiremath7306 4 күн бұрын
One beautiful word a learnt today is RETROFITTING. Entire Vedic literature is scattered with "retrofitting". There is one more thing to notice in vedic or Hindu mythology. The persons or characters move freely back and forth in time scale of thousands of years.They also move in space thousands of KM away. One example: Parashurama the vedic "Brahmin hero" who beheads of his own mother and kills Kshatriyas in millions,appears in Kerala's Ayyappa story which is dated to 11th century CE.
@user-ox5db9pz1l
@user-ox5db9pz1l 12 күн бұрын
First World Empire: Nimrod-God Bacchus: 2025-2000 BCE. The creation of the First World Empire started from Nis, (Naissus) Serbia. Bocharti says that Nimrod’s army became known as Aryans. This is because Nimrod’s (Nebrod) army consisted of professional hunters; the God of hunting in Serbian mythology is called Arion: consequently, we get Arions / Aryans. (Samuelis Bocharti) Nimrod’s wife Semiramis constructed in Babylon first world wonder Tower of Babylon mentioned in Old Testament. Second World Empire: Serbo Makeridov (Asur): 1330-1300 BCE. The creation of the Second World Empire started from south Serbia. Alexander the Great tell us that there was a second world conquest which started from Naissus (Nis, Serbia) and which was led by the God Serbon: a great leader who was proclaimed a divinity-Quintus Rufus. Eusebii Pamphili claims that Serbon fought the Indians ca.1325 BCE and afterwards he built another Naissus at the Indus river, this was the city where Alexander the Great encountered Serbs according to Quintus Rufus and Pamphili (Ptolemaeus Eusebii). Troy: 2000-1184 BCE. Dardania to day Serbia. Third World Empire: Alexander the Great: 336-323 BCE. Son of King Philip the Great Karanovic and mother Olympia daughter of King Neotolomay Molosses from Serbo-Rasa tribe. (Ulrich Wilcken, Gustave Glotz) The creation of the Third World Empire started from south Serbia. Fourth World Empire: Roman Empire: Etruscan organized Roman Empire and eastern Roman Empire and 18 Emperors are from today Serbia Constantine the Great also born in Nis (Naissus). Following the 3rd Century Crisis (290s AD onward, the Empire was feeling less secure and thus there was a need for strong military leaders to take charge. Many Roman noblemen and statesmen were born in present-day Serbia, including 17 or 18 Roman Emperors (Vetranio wasn't universally recognized as an emperor, but was proclaimed a caesar).[2]
@user-ox5db9pz1l
@user-ox5db9pz1l 12 күн бұрын
Mother of all languages is Proto Serbian and I can prove it. Do you know that wild Greeks came to Pelasgian land and found culture and proto Serbian language and they just mixed with Pelasgian people and learned everything there? Here are just some examples. You can see first word is Serbian, second word is Greek and third word is German (Serbian, Greek and German) (ili-Alla-aber) (utočište- eutoichiste- Zuflucht) (blizu-pljsion-nahe) (breme- brjme- Gewicht) (koliba- kalyba- Hütte) (hod- hod-Gang) (Tece voda protiv vode-Teke wudas proti wudei-Es fliest Wasser gegen Wasser) (činim- xinjm- ich thue) (daleko- tale ko- entfernt) (dar-dar- Geschenk) (danak- danj- Abgabe) (delim- dieljm- ich teile) (Dever- dawer- Schwager) (trljam- tribo- ich reibe) (dom- dom- zu hause) (drzim- drassjm- ich halte) (duplo- diploo- verdoppele) (dva- dwo-zwei) (idu- ithuo- ich gehe) (jedan- jadon- eine) (grebu- grabo- kratzen) (kakim- kakam- ich scheiße) (klizam- kluzam- ich gleite) (glina- gli- klei) (kljuc- kljs- Schlüssel) (komora- kamara- kammer) (kanim- koinam- ich thue) (Koliko- kelikos-wieviel) (Kos- kossyf- Amsel) (klisura- klision- Schlucht) (kobila- kaballes-Stutte) (kokot- kokkos-Hahn) (leto- leto-jahr) (levo- laevos-linke) (mak- mak-Mohn) (manje- mjon-weniger) (mama-mamma- Mutter) (muva- muia- Fliege) (meljem- mullem- ich mahle) (merim- meirjm- ich messe) (mesec- meis- Mond) (magla-omichla- Nebel) (nosim-nisso-ich trage) (oko- oko- Auge) (orem- arom-ich ackere) (palica-pelekys-Keule) (put-pat-Weg) (pecem-peso-ich brate) (pero-ptero-Feder) (pijem- pjm-ich trinke) (pivo- pino- Bier) Sanskrit is made-up from Proto Serbian and are the same languages. Here some samples Sanskrit-Serbian-English: (bele-belo-white) (ghughu-gugutka-turtle dove) (dub-dubok-deep) (kaši-kašalj-cough) (kaste-kosa-sickle) (Mata-Mati-Mother) (madhu-med-honey) (majh-medja-boundary) (meša-mešati-to mix) (thunko-tanko-thin) (mara-umreti-to die) (baba-babo-father) (balak-balavac-immature person) (beg-beg-flight) (bedana-beda-grif) (bhrata-brat-brother) (churi-cura-girl) (Gra-Grad-Town) (Lod-Lud-Crazy) (Ljubhva-Ljubav-Love) (Deti-Dete-Child) (Smajase-Smeje se-Lahghing) (Sladu-Slatki-Sweet) (Kadajati-Kidati-Tear) (Suri-Svetli-Bright) (Mač-Mač-Sword) (Bhaga-Bog-God) (Nava-Novi-New) (Moru-Mora-Nightmare) (Čamarika-Čemerika-Hellebore) (Sobha-Soba-Room) (Krsti-Krst-Cross) (Tama-Tama-Dark) (Zvana-Zvono-Bell) (Dina-Dan-Day) (Apat-Patnja-Suffering) (Itvara-Utvara-Spook) (Inoti-Inatiti-Spite) (Učjati-Uciti-Learn) (Uda-Voda-Water) (Košah-Koža-Skin) (Kapalam-Kapa-Cap) (Kabila-Kobila-Mare) Please note additional reference Book from Alokananda Mitter Calcuta India, Similarities between Bengali and Sanskrit and Serbian.
@user-ox5db9pz1l
@user-ox5db9pz1l 12 күн бұрын
World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. Today Serbia, (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube. Today Serbia. Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Today Serbia. Harald Haarmann about first Cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC, today Serbia, so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. Today Serbia. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. (There is no such thing as Indo-Europian, or Indo-German how used to be called before) Proto Serbian language is mother of all languages, spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
@Bjorn_Algiz
@Bjorn_Algiz Ай бұрын
Interesting and informative 😊 love hearing everyone's take on this topic.
@poonamnadkarni4044
@poonamnadkarni4044 Ай бұрын
Interesting
@madhukiran1379
@madhukiran1379 Ай бұрын
today we have computers aND DATA TO RECREATE TITANI SCENE BUT WHEN THEY WERE WRITING rAMAYAN AND MAHABHARATH THEY DID NOT HAVE COMPUTERS OR DATA SERVERS TO GET SUCH ACCURATE PLANATARY OBSERVATION DATA UNLESS IT WAS OBSERVED IN THAT PERIOD AND WRITTEN DOWN.
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@madhukiran1379 an astronomer could calculate the earth's circumference with a stick and it's shadows back in the day. So, you don't need computers if your maths is good. One thing is for sure, the events were not written down as they took place.
@madhukiran1379
@madhukiran1379 Ай бұрын
@@pravyavnav using stick and its shadow was common way of calculating muhurtas in temples, that is truth but they cannot recreate that muhurta when ever they think of it. now you have models and simulation softwares to recreate. telling 30% truth and hiding 70% false information behind is old propaganda of so called historiens like thaper etc. In this 20th century scientific advancement was fast because we have data recoding and processing machines dont compare this pace to scientific advancement of 5000 year old people and say we were in stone age then.
@madhukiran1379
@madhukiran1379 Ай бұрын
calculating muhurta with a stick of defined length and its shadow movement was common way used in temples then. its not only stick and shadow but also planetary movement with zodiac background was also recorded in Ithasas. Today we have models and simulation softwares to recreate those muhurta but then it was impossible, unless it was live information. Dont compare 20th century scientific advancement to 8000 year old scientific advancement and say then we were in stone age. today we have data recording and data processing machines so technical pace is more. then it was trial and error learning So the pace is slow. civilizations existed even 15000 years back.
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@madhukiran1379 assuming it as the final word and belief in its accuracy is part of faith. Need corroborative evidence to be sure. Also, different people and texts have different dates. There is no consensus on one timeline.
@ThomasSt40
@ThomasSt40 Ай бұрын
Correct. It's one thing to take a stick and measure the circumference of the Earth, and quite another to live back, say in 1500 BC, and try and reverse engineer the movements of planets, provide specific Nakshstras, etc, backwards to 3228 BC and say this was when Krishna was born, which astrological, computer software today, using the information in the texts for his birthday show, agreeing with the texts it was way back then. Attempt to reverse engineer this in even 1500 BC with sticks (moving them day by day backwards by inference) and you'd come up with planets, etc that would not agree with the planetary software results that align with the texts. Thus we know, for example, the Rig Veda was written long before 1500 BC, most likely 5000 BC. Thus, "Aryans", "Iranians", etc, did not write the Vedas, which was instead an indigenous compilation.
@joebidet2050
@joebidet2050 Ай бұрын
Aryan invasion Zarathustra preached against daevas and those who were pro daevas had a battle The pro daevas lost and migrated from transoxiana 3500 years ago to today india Pakistan Im Zoroastrian and its my belief 😊
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@joebidet2050 is this battle mentioned in Avesta?
@joebidet2050
@joebidet2050 Ай бұрын
@@pravyavnav no It happened after It's just my own research and belief Thanks video and reply Greetings from samarkand uzbekistan
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@joebidet2050 good to see Zoroastrian from Uzbekistan. The next video is on the migration pattern of Aryans. Stay tuned.
@joebidet2050
@joebidet2050 Ай бұрын
@@pravyavnav thank you I'm.here visiting ancient sites 38 official in uzbekistan In few days I go to khiva BTW I live in kyrgyzstan Ushta te
@smarttenterprises3115
@smarttenterprises3115 Ай бұрын
Retrofitting of stars in more or less all instances which even was just very difficult even few years back actually done 1000 years back is a extreme imagination . Actually no evidence referd, I thought some new points would be taken up, but nothing new all baseless void argument some are also contrary to the submission.
@actually4660
@actually4660 Ай бұрын
The Aryans were a race of Chariot riding warriors from the Eurasian steppes. They had brown/black hair, brown/hazel eyes, fair white skin, very tall and thick bone structure. The Aryans dominated the native Indian men and subsequently breed with their women and transmitted their DNA into Indians. The Aryans brought the vedas with them, and till this day Indians follow Hinduism which originates from this Vedas.
@pravyavnav
@pravyavnav Ай бұрын
@@actually4660 First of all, watch the previous episode. Secondly, watch the third on Monday. Thirdly, no.
@joebidet2050
@joebidet2050 Ай бұрын
Yes I agree actually You are correct This happened 3500 years ago
@CHRS-ri5mf
@CHRS-ri5mf Ай бұрын
Already debunked by the western Historians in 2022
@TheRealCaelestium
@TheRealCaelestium Ай бұрын
First, "Aryans" were proto-indo-iranian people from andronovo culture and Sintashta culture and then later North India and Iran. And no, they did not bring the avesta and vedas with them. Both of these texts are the result of culture diffusion. Vedas even have native gods in it like Rudra/Siva. India is not Europe, it never needed foreigners like Romans to civilize it.
@ThomasSt40
@ThomasSt40 Ай бұрын
Wrong. The so-called earliest positing for those Aryans invading was 1900 BC. There's been no significant outside genetic influence into India after 5000 BC (some push it well before then). The Vedas were written well before the time of the majority opinion concerning AMT: AMT [Hypothesis] was posited after the end of the British Raj. It was a colonial replacement for the AIT. Now to the Haplogroup studies with prior, pertinent information: The Saraswati River is known to have flowed for thousands of years and then saw a gradual decline long before 1500 BC, causing the inhabitants to flee the environs to other areas. Satellite imagery (plus the study of sites along the river) has discovered its ancient channels. This river had a gradual decline from around 5,000 BC until it dried out around 1500 BC. The Vedic descriptions of it thus logically preceded the drying up of its ancient channels, thus those who wrote the Vedas described it long before the proposed time period of AMT and had to have lived their locally, continually, to report on it over time. The following extensive Haplogroup studies (available online) show there was no significant outside genetic influence into India after 5000 BC: *Polarity and Temporality of High-Resolution Y-Chromosome Distributions in India Identify Both Indigenous and Exogenous Expansions and Reveal Minor Genetic Influence of Central Asian Pastoralists* Am J Hum Genet. 2006 Feb; 78(2): 202-221. Published online 2005 Dec 16. doi: 10.1086/499411 PMCID: PMC1380230PMID: 1640060 *Separating the post-Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a* Eur J Hum Genet. 2010 Apr; 18(4): 479-484. Published online 2009 Nov 4. doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2009.194 PMCID: PMC2987245PMID: 19888303 The following also torpedoes an overwhelming, pervasive AIT or AMT invasion or migration: *"Genomic view on the peopling of India."* Investig Genet. 2012; 3: 20. Published online 2012 Oct 1. doi: 10.1186/2041-2223-3-20 PMCID: PMC3514343PMID: 23020857 *Sharma S. et al. The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins. Journal of Human Genetics (2009) 54, 47-55; doi:10.1038/jhg.2008.2 Another study from 2015 rips apart AIT, AMT: *Lucotte G. (2015) The Major Y-Chromosome Haplotype XI - Haplogroup R1a in Eurasia.* Hereditary Genet 4:150. doi: 10.4172/2161-1041.1000150 Overwhelmingly, Indians - Northern or Southern - are highly genetically similar per these and other studies: *Indian ancestry revealed Elie Dolgin Nature (2009).* Haplogroup studies that focus on a select portion of Harrapana are very limited in scope and length, an outside invasion/migration of peoples is nonetheless being posited as the only ones capable of producing the Vedas, ignoring the overwhelming evidence of the aforementioned scientific studies and ignoring the DNA there that goes against AMT. Universities that propagated AIT have moved on to promoting AMT. These "scholars" suppress the haplogroup data that counters them while a multifaceted approach to these issues is eschewed by those doing the censoring. The more things change the more they remain the same: seeing northern Indians pitted against southern Indians, vice versa, or one race pitted against another taking place in the world is nonetheless tiresome to behold. There is very little genetic difference between northern and southern Indians, and the Vedas were compiled long before the majority opinion's proposed date of AMT. It's one thing to take a stick and measure the circumference of the Earth, and quite another to live back, say in 1500 BC, and try and reverse engineer the movements of planets, provide specific Nakshstras, etc, backwards to 3228 BC and say this was when Krishna was born, which astrological, computer software today, using the information in the texts for his birthday show, agreeing with the texts it was way back then. Attempt to reverse engineer this in even 1500 BC with sticks (moving them day by day backwards by inference) and you'd come up with planets, etc that would not agree with the planetary software results that align with the texts. Thus we know, for example, the Rig Veda was written long before 1500 BC, most likely 5000 BC. Thus, "Aryans", "Iranians", etc, did not write the Vedas, which was instead an indigenous compilation.
@pradipkumarsikder3641
@pradipkumarsikder3641 Ай бұрын
You are a nonsense. Aryan is not a nation. Arya means civilized.
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