Which 2022 Ducati sportsbike is best for novice trackday riders? Supersport vs Panigale V2 vs V4

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Tim Rodie Rides Motorbikes

Tim Rodie Rides Motorbikes

2 жыл бұрын

Join baldy at Donington Park where he's trying to decide which 2022 Ducati sportbike is best on track - for a novice. He's ridden them all on the road, now he's writing in the third person to bring you some consumer advice for anyone wanting to get into track riding… on a brand new expensive Ducati. It's not as bad an idea as you'd think…
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@rotoehu9266
@rotoehu9266 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing how far the electronics have come, even 10 years ago the proposition of ‘which Ducati is best on track for a novice’ was analogous to ‘which chainsaw is best to brush my teeth’ 😁
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
As an ex Ducati 1198 owner I 100% agree! I would've been *so much slower* on the 1198 than even the SFV2.
@jbrosupra
@jbrosupra Жыл бұрын
​@timrodierides most people dont wanna hear it but most people would be faster on a slower bike.
@seneca175
@seneca175 11 ай бұрын
Lol, good comparison 😂. Ride safe 😉
@danieloconnell4225
@danieloconnell4225 2 жыл бұрын
I've got a V2 and a 950S; I'm a bit farther along than a new rider on track, but nowhere near what I'd call a veteran. I find the SS actually has better suspension for track work when set-up properly than the V2 (thank Ohlins for that), but I'd agree the soft seat makes moving around on it a bit sloppy. Did you or someone else set up the SS Ohlins for track work, or were they on 'stock' settings? Stock settings are definitely set for street work only. The V2 is quicker and falls into corners quicker, but I find it lacks composure compared to the SS, and on a shorter track with more corners, I think a good 950S rider will beat a decent V2 rider due to the better torque curve and suspension. I suppose it all depends on two things: what kind of track are you on, and how good the rider is. I've had guys on bikes with less than 100hp blow my proverbial tyres off, and blow the tyres off guys with much more powerful motorcycles than mine. Ducati isn't cheap; owning more than one means you either made a mistake or are well-off; if you can only own one and commute or ride cities a lot, I say the 950S is the best choice as it certainly makes a decent track ride and is great around regular roads. If you're looking just for a track bike, I think the V2 is close enough to a V4 (which I test rode several times) that the massive price difference isn't worth climbing. Ego-aside, I like my 950S with its full Akrapovic system best - plenty fast by all but superbike standards, and in my view, looks better than any other Ducati that doesn't have V4 in the name. Cheers.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
I imagine all the bikes were set for stock - I was sharing them with some (much lighter and all female!) riders. Thanks for watching and the comment though
@danieloconnell4225
@danieloconnell4225 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides fairo! The 950S is set up pretty soft out of the factory - massive difference if you dial in those Ohlins as they should be for track work. Glad you had a good day!
@rodneyrayner4178
@rodneyrayner4178 Жыл бұрын
@@danieloconnell4225 Hi Daniel, can you tell me your track settings please, and your weight ? Many thanks.
@Vforfreedom
@Vforfreedom Жыл бұрын
Im not well off and I own 3. A S2R , 749/924 racebike and a 996S. You just have to know how to manage money and not waste it on the non import things in life. The only reason I dont own a newer Duc is I dont like them too much electronic and dumb wings. I may buy a R1M instead
@gavin4423
@gavin4423 2 жыл бұрын
Great video with a surprising conclusion, that adds weight to the theory that you don’t have to thrash a motorbike to it’s limit to have a fulfilling time on it. Loved the voiceover too.
@lordgibbness
@lordgibbness Жыл бұрын
Great video mate
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 11 ай бұрын
I have heard a few others say same about V4s.....just very easy bike to ride and surprise its actually meant fir doing this sort if thing, 😂 I am here cuz one passed me on my way to LA filtering on the freeway, I was taking a back by how beautiful the bike looked and sounded.... Truly a piece of machinery
@Rick1984FL
@Rick1984FL 2 жыл бұрын
Fitting because wife and I are heading to Ducati tomorrow to inquire about a deposit on a 2023 v2…in that gorgeous rosso white I can’t get out of my mind!
@Druezy
@Druezy 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck and enjoy! The white with the red looks so gorgeous, I can't find one in a showroom just so I can look at one haha!
@Rick1984FL
@Rick1984FL 2 жыл бұрын
@@Druezy they have all been bought up in my local market too; the closest I’ve been able to find to show my wife is the supersport s in white. With any luck in 3-5 months i shall have one in my garage.
@greenwoodoak3744
@greenwoodoak3744 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work Tim, we stopped work on said day, really excellent comparison for track use. I own a v2 its a road bike P E.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
I love the V2 on the road! Yeah, it wasn't totally pleasant temperature wise... but I couldn't turn down the offer to ride them all!
@LambChopRides
@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын
Love that Tim 👍👍
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate! Did you spot your slow-mo guest appearance?
@LambChopRides
@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides haha yes 😆 slow mo, slow moob more like 😆
@paulbryan1094
@paulbryan1094 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that was Chopsy on the Suzuki. Great video, like the track day stuff
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
It was! There's a few KZfaqrs/instagrammers/influencers in the footage...
@edsonroadmoto
@edsonroadmoto Жыл бұрын
Glad Chad gave you a great experience at the track 😊
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
Something about the name, isn't there?!
@Druezy
@Druezy 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Tim, that was a hell of a day! The V4S is an absolute dream, I hope one day I can justify that level of nonsense, simply stunning!
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I can see the marketing now - Ducati Panigale V4S: voted beginner bike of the year by Tim Rodie.
@Druezy
@Druezy 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides At least a beginner on a V4S could never blame the bike for their poor lap times 😂
@marcusgeorge1825
@marcusgeorge1825 Жыл бұрын
You can be a great rider on the streets and really, really slow on a racetrack. Never done a “trackday” as I spent 10 years racing in multiple classes including the Australian Superbike Series. Lots of room on track? Simply means you are going way too slow as Phillip Island was my home track. It’s one of the biggest on tour however feels like it’s only a metre wide when you are at 100%. Great start, we all need that first taste as I truly believe this makes you a better and safer rider. Just subscribed. 👍😎🇦🇺
@Imotopilot
@Imotopilot 2 жыл бұрын
They should have had a Multistrada V2 or the V4 (Pikes Peak with its 17” front wheel) as well. Super capable bikes on the track too.
@FogmasterLeghorn
@FogmasterLeghorn Жыл бұрын
thank you for your comments from a tall rider perspective. Is the 950s seat too soft or too wide for the track? I've read where the 950 seat is very road comfortable, but moving around on track is a different effort. I think ducati has some sort of trend started where they want puny short people ( under 6'1") to be able to comfortably hold the bike up at stops so they are lowering the ride position. HaHa. the v2 multistrada pics look like they have you sitting on a banana. Very nice hearing the sounds from those gr8 bikes thanks Tim!
@albertlira7443
@albertlira7443 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool day! I love a Ducati. You film beautiful and interesting bikes but Ducati are just sinful and gorgeous.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks as ever Mr Lira!
@albertlira7443
@albertlira7443 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides thanks for terrific content!
@troppo4872
@troppo4872 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Thank *you* for watching
@Szlejer
@Szlejer 2 жыл бұрын
I track ride quite frequently and the simple answer is that NONE of these Ducatis are good sportsbikes for novice track riders... KTM RC390, Yamaha R3 (maybe R7), Ninja 400. These are the choices of many excellent, very experienced track riders, so I have the sneaking suspicion that they should be more than enough for a track novice.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
True, but what if you can afford a Panigale V4? 😂
@trwilliams22
@trwilliams22 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides I was in novice group a few years ago and looked over next to me staged up on pit lane was an HP4 race on slicks. 🤦🏻
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
@@trwilliams22 Hahaha, it used to intimidate me, but I'm content just riding my own ride these days...
@trwilliams22
@trwilliams22 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides no intimidation for me- just figured he would bin it when he couldn’t keep enough heat in the tires. I was happily tootling around on my 900SS which cost me 1/20 of his bike.
@TeensierPython
@TeensierPython Жыл бұрын
If you can afford a v4. Buy one a year or two old and a used small bike as well. Then you can thrash the “learner bike” until you get good enough to make the v4 work well.
@JoeyMrTurbo
@JoeyMrTurbo 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve yet to take my SuperSport to the track-I was hoping for you to love it lol.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
There's a comment on here from a supersport owner who loves it - just needs some suspension work needed!
@sgill4833
@sgill4833 Жыл бұрын
Exact question I was asking myself
@DCGULL01
@DCGULL01 7 ай бұрын
So, for say $26K, i can llolligag, eat bon bons and re-schedule my pedicure for say, 4pm. All w/out breaking a sweat. The SuperSport 950 is a Monster w/ a fairing, is suitable for the street as delivered but lacks the needed stiffness that tracks demand. During the launch, Ducati went to great lengths to ensure the journalists focused on the roadgoing manners. However, it's softer, squishier & lacks ground clearance at the track. I'm pretty sure you'd have to be unreasonable to 'put a knee down' on the street... At the of the day, I genuinely enjoyed your 'peek' inside of an awesome track day & as a fellow track noob, I appreciate how much effort is required to keep sessions separated in your head to remember highs & lows for each bike! Good on ya, Tim!
@MrAdambinnie
@MrAdambinnie 2 жыл бұрын
Looked pretty sendy to me mate 🤘
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate! Up to inters next time I think. And when I say next time, whenever a manufacturer offers me a no-risk ride on their nice bikes...
@ericlemonnier2187
@ericlemonnier2187 4 ай бұрын
J'aime beaucoup le bruit du streefighter dans les tours.
@hypermotardking
@hypermotardking 2 жыл бұрын
Donington my favourite track.. love ripping my 2022 Hyper SP in fast group mixing it with the superbikes 🤘🏼🤘🏼
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
I'm envious! I never got around to taking my Hyper 950SP on track!
@hypermotardking
@hypermotardking 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides Yeah I watched your Hyper vids.. you should have kept it
@jamesgrant-lewis209
@jamesgrant-lewis209 Жыл бұрын
Is the hyper a good daily like the SS950? I’m cross shopping between both
@hypermotardking
@hypermotardking Жыл бұрын
@@jamesgrant-lewis209 You’ll have way much fun on a hyper as a daily.. plenty of reviews on ny channel
@therealquaid1694
@therealquaid1694 2 жыл бұрын
Fast for a novice. Great video.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I've got another video coming on trying to get faster!
@davecree867
@davecree867 Жыл бұрын
Not really getting the ‘I’m a novice...’ thing - knee down, laying darkies down all over the place doesn’t sound like novice riding. Great vid though, would have liked to seen you out on the Hypermotard, and maybe even a Multistrada too! Keep up the good work.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
Well I think I'd been on track 3 times before this video, but spread over 10 years! So I felt like a novice. Thanks for the kind comment - I'd love to take a hypermotard on a short track somewhere, I miss my old 950SP.
@BossGT500
@BossGT500 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Tim, you couldn't have been that slow, you seem to pass a few people.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Boss! I'll move up to inters. I had some good coaching on this day - there's another video coming on that!
@colin55594
@colin55594 Жыл бұрын
Got the 950 as my first bike. Wish it had a bit more power. Other then that love itm
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I really was thinking about getting one, if it had CC and another 20 ponies I think I would.....fir that amt of $$$, tough to justify.....using only 1 bike
@photographerjonathan
@photographerjonathan Жыл бұрын
I hope someday to try doing a track day on my 939, I'm curious what camera was used that made all of the bikes look orange.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with the camera, just my sh*t colour grading 🤣Fuji X-T4 mostly.
@Atlan_tis
@Atlan_tis Жыл бұрын
lol , test is not done yet, try V2 Bayliss with ohlins suspention, nice review
@jagadeeshkumar516
@jagadeeshkumar516 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@merwyncruz4543
@merwyncruz4543 2 жыл бұрын
Does the Panigale V2 run hotter than the Supersport? Planning to get one that's mostly for street use and the occasional track days.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
My experience is the V4 runs a lot hotter than the V2!
@Vforfreedom
@Vforfreedom Жыл бұрын
Sausage!!?? LOL!! For lunch on a trackday hahaha. Try a banana and a good salad with chicken or tuna and Gatorade and water.
@jameshardy6277
@jameshardy6277 Жыл бұрын
Is this a trackday where you can test all those Ducati's throughout the day? Who's the organiser please?
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
It was Pirelli day, the Ducatis were laid on by Ducati UK for a couple of journalists to test sadly…
@FootageFactory
@FootageFactory Жыл бұрын
Pani V4S is the best Novice trackbike. I think
@joemeyer2726
@joemeyer2726 Жыл бұрын
Ninja 400 track prep
@benasgud
@benasgud 2 жыл бұрын
Which one is hotter to ride, panigale v2 or v4?
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 2 жыл бұрын
The Pani V4. I was riding it closer to midday though, but it was definitely kicking out more heat - I couldn't really feel the V2's heat on the move
@TeensierPython
@TeensierPython Жыл бұрын
I’m going to guess it’s the panigale v2
@thedragonofechigo7878
@thedragonofechigo7878 Жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd see the day when the V4S, A 215hp machine is the better bike for Novices of all people.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
I know it sounds like I'm taking the piss, but it's genuinely the friendliest of the bikes!
@thedragonofechigo7878
@thedragonofechigo7878 Жыл бұрын
@Tim Rodie Rides Motorbikes I mean, I'm not doubting you but this just shows that Ducati were telling the truth when they said they are trying to make it easier to ride. Does that mean someone with minimal experience could get one, or is that too far fetched?
@MarkRShed
@MarkRShed 11 ай бұрын
Take them out of the road I think you'll put the SuperSport in the lead.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides 11 ай бұрын
Agree!
@DwaynePretorius
@DwaynePretorius 2 жыл бұрын
Hyundai is the official safety car of wsbk
@nairbyad7188
@nairbyad7188 7 ай бұрын
seriously slow traffic on track, eh? !
@Vforfreedom
@Vforfreedom Жыл бұрын
All you novice guys need to be on a older 748 or 916.
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, with no electronics and no safety net. Perfect. After all, you’re not a real biker until you’ve broken a few bones on track 🫠
@leeandrew2682
@leeandrew2682 Жыл бұрын
none of them are for novices, but i imagine the supersport is the easiest to ride
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
I'd actually say the V4 is easiest to ride!
@leeandrew2682
@leeandrew2682 Жыл бұрын
@@timrodierides i have only been on 848 so i have no idea what i am talking about haha
@Vforfreedom
@Vforfreedom Жыл бұрын
What’s 2022 Ducati is best for novice trophy riders?? NONE!!!!
@timrodierides
@timrodierides Жыл бұрын
Depends what trophy it is
@Vforfreedom
@Vforfreedom Жыл бұрын
Anyone over 6’1” is too big to ride a sportbike properly!!
@demisx
@demisx Жыл бұрын
BS
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