Which Is Better Xbox Series X or PC (Nvidia RTX 3090) - Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020

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MZ's Garage

MZ's Garage

Күн бұрын

#msfs2020 #xboxseriesx #gamingpc #nvidia
Thanks for watching! Let me know what your experience is if you have used both Xbox and PC.
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0:00 - Introduction
0:39 - What Will Be Compared
0:52 - Hardware Specifications
1:10 - Pricing
1:23 - How Footage Was Recorded
1:58 - Freeware/Payware addons
2:08 - Controller
2:57 - PC Graphics Settings
3:51 - Xbox Graphics Settings
4:18 - NYC
6:33 - Statue of Liberty
6:50 - Buffalo, NY
9:19 - NYC Night
10:46 - Discovery Flight - Australia's Gold Coast
12:54 - Discovery Flight - London, England
14:18 - Discovery Flight - Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
15:33 - Appalachian Mountains - North Carolina
17:57 - Discovery Flight - Naples, Italy
19:56 - PC Cloud Abnormalities
20:37 - Final Thoughts and PC Footage

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@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
There are links to a few different controllers in the description!
@RubinGnoni
@RubinGnoni 11 ай бұрын
I’m having such a good time with the MSFS in my Xbox series X that I don’t want to worry about building a $3,000.00 PC. I know the PC with an RTX 40xx will be better, but the difference in quality and options don’t justify paying that much for a PC only to play the game.
@Max9_captain
@Max9_captain 7 ай бұрын
i don't want to worry about building😊
@N1C0YA
@N1C0YA 6 ай бұрын
You're missing out in VR though, thats hwat he didnt mention. Vr is a whole different story
@MyPoe2028
@MyPoe2028 3 ай бұрын
On the Xbox, do u put high end graphics or ultra ?
@kingjoseph5901
@kingjoseph5901 2 ай бұрын
PC's are for the gays
@dwainbertoncello5646
@dwainbertoncello5646 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic job! Thanks for all your effort in making this video.
@nooceluap7760
@nooceluap7760 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the work you put into this excellent comparison. The extra sharpness/clarity on the PC is what I want! You've helped me make the decision. I subscribed and liked. Thanks again.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I am glad it helped. Yes, if value is not what you are looking for, then go with a PC for sure!
@Del-Canada
@Del-Canada 10 ай бұрын
Love it when people say ready to jump into the world of flight sims. I've been playing it for nearly 40 years. What a surreal ride it has been.
@ThatGuyInPhilly
@ThatGuyInPhilly 7 ай бұрын
It's unreal that I absolutely loved this back on the Commodore 64 days, loading from a huge floppy disc, which took about 6-7+ minutes. And simply little sticks for a few Chicago skyline. Simple back then, but still loved it!
@Del-Canada
@Del-Canada 7 ай бұрын
@@ThatGuyInPhilly Yea, same. And before that the Vic 20. Tandy I believe had a FS also. Played it, but forget the exact computer since it was on a neighbor's computer. Just had the runway lines, a simple HUD and a horizon line.
@catsooey
@catsooey 5 ай бұрын
Old post I know, but I’m a DCS World pilot and I love talking to other pilots/virtual pilots. I have a nice VKB hotas setup but I’m looking into getting a set of rudder pedals. I keep going back and forth between the Virpil ACE Interceptors, Slaw and Thrustmaster TPR’s. What pedals are you using with your setup?
@Del-Canada
@Del-Canada 5 ай бұрын
@@catsooey Budget pedals, but still great. TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals by TM also.
@joshbenjamin1100
@joshbenjamin1100 6 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I'm going to go the PC route. I appreciate the attention to detail and amount of info that you give here. Oh, for the record, in NY, you were flying up the East River, not the Hudson, which is west of Manhattan :-)
@weekendwarriorsports4406
@weekendwarriorsports4406 11 ай бұрын
Very well made video. I just got an Xbox Series X and your video has convinced me, as a more casual Flight Simulator pilot, that I can confidently buy MS Flight Simulator for the Xbox. Thanks again.
@ronhyde
@ronhyde 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. As I embark on this I am glad I have some perspective. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It helped a great deal!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad it helped!
@alain4139
@alain4139 Жыл бұрын
thks for this nice video , i was not able to find the Thrustmaster modification video , thks for help.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Unfortunately, I have not go around to making a video on the mod yet.
@noggs4vlogs
@noggs4vlogs 10 ай бұрын
Great video. Really shows the comparison between two operating systems. Thanks
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@eddthirty4065
@eddthirty4065 Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison, I came to the same conclusion at the end of last year and bought the Xbox Series X and the full Turtle Beach VelocityOne setup, with the yoke, quadrant and rudder pedals. I didn't want to sink 4-5k USD in a PC and top of the range graphics card straightaway. I still have the option to do that and retain the controller setup. What would be good is to estimate a PC setup that would equal the Xbox series X in terms of performance, but would give you the flexibility of a PC setup in terms of add-ons like VATSIM and an upgrade path.
@papa_fried_u
@papa_fried_u Жыл бұрын
not all pcs are 4-5k you can get the same specs he has or even better if you build it yourself and the cost will probably only be about 2k
@JorgeDiaz-ek5ip
@JorgeDiaz-ek5ip 7 ай бұрын
Question can MFS run on XBOX one? @@papa_fried_u
@furmanvit
@furmanvit 3 ай бұрын
I have the same setup as you except peddals, but would be nice to buy garmin g1000 setup that is available only for PC. But for becoming a real pilot xbox with yoke is more than enough.
@wakerme
@wakerme 7 ай бұрын
What a cool video.Thank you so much
@kshep39
@kshep39 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comparison. I’ve been flight simming for years and like you I enjoy the “beauty” of the views. I used to build PCs to push what I could get out of FSX etc and would tinker for hours trying to get the “best” settings, instead of just enjoying what I had. Clearly the PC version had superior clarity, but to your point was it worth 6x the cost, and the cost of the time you invested tinkering to achieve that performance? Not sure it would be worth it for me. I may pick up an Xbox series x simply because it doesn’t have all the options that would lead me down the path of tweaking things instead of just enjoying and playing.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! It does take bit of time to tweak the settings based on your set up to get the best experience, but I enjoy that part of it. Once everything is set, there is not much need to change anything (not saying I don't try). I did recently force myself to turn off the fps counter and it make everything smoother now lol.
@darkwinduck3009
@darkwinduck3009 2 ай бұрын
Great video! I've always wanted to play mfs on my series x but couldn't due to storage. I now have the 2tb expansion card and man was the wait so worth it! Is there difference or improvement with mfs from ur video (2022) to now 2024? Bcos I've downloaded the game on my Xbox with extra dlc from within the game
@robertjones501
@robertjones501 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. Very nice job. I was born in Buffalo too (Amherst) and enjoyed seeing the differences of the downtown area as I wondered on my Xbox series x where the downtown buildings went and how flat the stadium was. But bummed about Bills failure to reach the Super Bowl.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yea I wasn't happy when I saw how bad Buffalo looked on the xbox either..... and I may have jinxed the Bills lol
@robertjones501
@robertjones501 Жыл бұрын
May have missed it...did you have Photogrammetry turned on or off in your example? Have tried both and haven't decided yet which I like better
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yes, it was turned on. I like it better.
@limcrew
@limcrew Жыл бұрын
Can we put mods for xbox series x like the PC version? Or at least can we do something more to increase the game quality?
@johnwilliamson5713
@johnwilliamson5713 5 күн бұрын
this is the best comparison video I've seen. Because of budget, I'm going to be an xBox guy. but this video helps me feel more comfortable with my choice. I did use MSFS earlier in the 2000's but have taken a long break. Thank you!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 2 күн бұрын
Glad I could help! Thank you
@amirghanbariha8912
@amirghanbariha8912 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, by far it is the best video comparing XBOX & PC
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@GarthFox
@GarthFox 9 ай бұрын
Have you tried the Cloud option? Would be nice to see a comparison video :)
@citizenblue
@citizenblue Жыл бұрын
I subbed because like you, I fly rc and sims. Great video!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks and thanks for the sub!
@crgman2756
@crgman2756 3 ай бұрын
Greatness is the only word to describe this video , thanks a lot
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 3 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@mrcgia1136
@mrcgia1136 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison! It would also be interesting to see a comparison in 2k. Clearly for the rtx 3090 you would not see any difference compared to 4k but probably for the Xbox you could find out if there are several more details in the scenarios due to the lower stress of the internal graphics processor lower than the rtx 3090.
@JoeWayne84
@JoeWayne84 Жыл бұрын
4k is all that matters it’s 2023 man 4k 120 hz tvs are cheap and 4k oled gaming monitors are affordable now. Anyone getting into 1440p should only be doing so at 360hz competitive gaming monitors… if your not going with super high refresh it’s 4k time such a huge difference..
@jepulis6674
@jepulis6674 7 ай бұрын
@@JoeWayne84 Its not running 4k on consoles. Most likely close to 1440p scaled up.
@ivanfojan8859
@ivanfojan8859 Жыл бұрын
A top end pc is better than a Series X but is it 6 times better.... A series X is an excellent price point to jump into this sim :) Liked and subscribed :)
@billymkirkwood4956
@billymkirkwood4956 10 ай бұрын
PC wins everything, completely see what you mean about saturation level on XBox but for £1500 cheaper it's still a no brainer. What a fantastic comparison video ❤ Also another KZfaq Sim Hanger Flight, does similar to you... I'm impressed by your content 👏 👌
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Yea, I deff like the PC better, but its clearly not worth it if dollar for dollar. I have watched many of the Sim Hanger videos, they are awesome!
@C-mac_in_the_6ix
@C-mac_in_the_6ix Жыл бұрын
Hi there. Thank you so much for doing this. I've been on the internet for hours trying to figure this out until I finally came across your video. Looks like X-box is the choice for me as the PC is too much money and work. I love the sharper images on the PC but just don't think it's worth it. Thanks once again!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@C-mac_in_the_6ix
@C-mac_in_the_6ix Жыл бұрын
@@mzgarage One more question, my nephew told me that even if I get an X-box, I would need to buy a separate monitor as opposed to using my TV. He said I could play on my TV, but the graphics will take a major hit. He's only 15 so I'm not sure how much he really knows what he's talking about. Any thoughts?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
It depends on the TV. On the Xbox, its renders the sim at 1440 and upscales it to 4k. The fps from the Xbox (on MSFS specifically) are limited to 30fps unless you have a 120hz panel with variable refresh rate. Many of the newer TVs do have this feature for gaming. I used the Xbox on my TCL 6 series 625 (2019 model) with 60hz panel (no VRR) and was happy with it. You won't feel like you are missing something until you use something better in my opinion.
@kingfisch
@kingfisch 8 ай бұрын
Excellent comparison!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@jimmysal17
@jimmysal17 7 ай бұрын
2:31 where did you get the replacement spring? I’m having the same issue and want to add more resistance, would be awesome if you made a video, thanks!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 7 ай бұрын
I took it to my local hardware store and wend through the bins until I found one that was a similar size but stiffer.
@rgm4646
@rgm4646 Ай бұрын
I played MSFS since version 4.0 on pc, but I like playing it on the Xbox SX now. because I don't have to worry about "will my computer run this" anymore.
@homestreetboyz
@homestreetboyz 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the comparison, I started on series x and picked up a pc on sale i5 13 gen, Rtx 3060 12 Gb with 32 GB RAM. PC version looks terrible compared to my series X. I am thinking of returning the PC now and will stick with series X.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 7 ай бұрын
You're welcom. Yea, you really need a high powered PC to outrun an xbox.
@miket3258
@miket3258 8 ай бұрын
The main thing is the hardware. If you're serious about simming, PC is the only way to go. More options for yoke and throttles, multiple screens, VATSim, modifications, home cockpit, VR, etc.
@elmarbartel2699
@elmarbartel2699 4 ай бұрын
Great video, very detailed and understandable! Please allow me the question, if I need to pay for the Xbox, if I am never using a console, but just my pc? I bought the full edition of the sim.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 4 ай бұрын
Thanks! I am a little confused by your question. What exactly are you asking if you have to pay for?
@elmarbartel2699
@elmarbartel2699 4 ай бұрын
@@mzgarage Thanks for your quick reply. I had purchased the full version of the MSFS 2020 and realize now that the system asks me to continue the Xbox abo. This means an additional cost of those ~ 10 bucks a month. Would I have to own the Steam version to not pay for the Xbox, just using the pc?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 4 ай бұрын
If you purchased the full version from Microsoft you do not need to purchase anything else. You should already have a microsoft/Xbox account.
@elmarbartel2699
@elmarbartel2699 4 ай бұрын
@@mzgarage ok understood. 🙏 I will try this out. I do have the Xbox version of the game, not the Steam. My question came up when the Xbox suddenly kept reminding me to continue their abo….
@mikebolt9753
@mikebolt9753 Жыл бұрын
nice review
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@robinbainbridge
@robinbainbridge Жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison but I would hope $3k pc is better than $500 xbox - went down Xbox X route myself as my old pc which I ran FSx okay on would not even load 2020 & no regrets for the money - games runs very smoothly with good detail. Pair up the xbox with the Hotas joystick, keyboard & mouse & you have the same near enough. I acknowledge you do miss out on freeware but I am happy to compromise on that. Not sure $500 would even buy you the graphics card in your rig? We are even getting the PMDG 737comimg out on xbox next month which is even better news. At the time I estimated I would need to spend at least $2k to equal the xbox?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yes, the Xbox is a real value. The graphics card in my PC )RTX 3090) still sells for over $1200 on a good day. Yes, I would say $1500 min to get close to the level of an Xbox which has come down quite bit compared to a few years ago with the graphics card shortage. The card I have in 2020-21 was going for $3000.
@ScreamingEagle101st
@ScreamingEagle101st 6 ай бұрын
Comparing a ferrari to a Robin reliant. I'd rather pay $500 for the series x than 2.5k for a pc..Also what is your connection speed ?
@runeb4440
@runeb4440 Жыл бұрын
THX a LOT 💚😎 for the very extensive walkthrough ! 🍀🍀🍀🍀 I am in the exact position vere my PC (older-5 years) cannot run the SIM without "shutting-down" / Overheating ! 🥵" ... And only having just enough money for an XBox ! . . . SO, Thank You for the great WORK you did 🍀🍀🍀🍀🤪💚💚💚💚😎 "The Oldguy from Denmark" 😆😎
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@allisonroberts4162
@allisonroberts4162 2 ай бұрын
We are having the same issue. Just bought an Xbox series X. Do we need to purchase MSFS again (for the Xbox) or is there a way to re-use the pc version we already purchased? TIA!
@allisonroberts4162
@allisonroberts4162 2 ай бұрын
We experienced the same. Did you have to repurchase the game for xbox, or were you able to use the pc version on your xbox somehow?
@weekendwarriorsports4406
@weekendwarriorsports4406 11 ай бұрын
A quick question, I normally Use TM T16000M with my PC sims, but how is the Thrustmaster T Flight Hotas 1 on the Xbox?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 11 ай бұрын
I used it on the Xbox while I had it, but I have nothing to compare it to. I use it on the PC as well. No issues on either.
@herobo123456
@herobo123456 7 ай бұрын
Great vid❤
@crazyfrank3866
@crazyfrank3866 Жыл бұрын
Curious how the next generation of Xbox will be like and pricing 👀 hopefully they keep these consoles under the 1k mark
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yes, it will be exciting to see. This last generation really stepped it up. I would not be suprised to see the price jump $100-200 as everything seems to increasing. Hopefully nowhere near $1000.
@Hauerization
@Hauerization 11 ай бұрын
Leading question, your honor!
@Silentpartner2176
@Silentpartner2176 7 ай бұрын
What about helicopter controls for xbox?
@samviation
@samviation 2 күн бұрын
What about remote gaming via platforms like Splashtop or Parsec???
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 2 күн бұрын
I am not familiar with either. I doubt they would run MSFS.
@longy6612
@longy6612 6 ай бұрын
i hope it runs better with 2024fs i have a monster of a pc and performance is lacking sometimes.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree!
@redman7684
@redman7684 Жыл бұрын
PC best for gaming. Xbox best for money
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@marinernoic1561
@marinernoic1561 11 ай бұрын
I have nice gaming pc but always like to lay down and take a controller and play on big tv
@thelizardkingdc
@thelizardkingdc 7 ай бұрын
@@marinernoic1561i do that w a pc just use a high quality, long hdmi 2.1 pc to tv.
@Serpico360
@Serpico360 7 ай бұрын
@@marinernoic1561 you can do that with a pc too.
@marinernoic1561
@marinernoic1561 7 ай бұрын
@@Serpico360 ye and buying the 80 dollar wireless controller
@virtualvarsity2727
@virtualvarsity2727 11 ай бұрын
I get really good performance with my Xbox. I have over 200 add-ons the only setting I get performance hits is using live traffic.
@abdoc7
@abdoc7 8 ай бұрын
What add-ons are available on the Xbox for Flight Simulator?
@thegreathadoken6808
@thegreathadoken6808 6 ай бұрын
While the PC version clearly won, as it should given the difference in hardware, at a certain point you mentioned colours looking more saturated on Xbox, more 'accurate' on PC, but you very clearly had the two versions running with the Sun at different positions in the sky: Examining a still frame at 6:35, the planes were flying approximately north, from the Verazanno Bridge (I think?) at the mouth of the Atlantic Ocean towards Manhattan. On Xbox, the Sun appears to be on the left, behind the aircraft, and low in the sky, casting a shadow of the tail on the planes left side. On PC the Sun is very clearly not in the same position, not casting a shadow of the tail, just of some of the left side, suggesting it's higher in the sky and lest to the plane's right. The two clips were taken either at a different time of day or the same time of day at a different time of year on the game's calendar/clock. Upshot is the Xbox sky is more red, the PC sky is more blue, slightly different weather going on in both given the cloud configuration, too, with a near clear sky on PC, and some light whisps on Xbox. This was the reason your Statue of Liberty looked a different colour on Xbox. The light was different due to the Sun being in a different position in the sky. I'm not sure we can draw any conclusions about the accuracy of the colours from this, and as far as I know there IS no real difference between the colours on the two versions, and shouldn't really appear different if used on the same monitor.
@Freeway7
@Freeway7 6 ай бұрын
Seriously your asking which one is better Xbox or PC ??? wich one is better a Scooter or a Ferrari ?!
@workablob
@workablob 6 ай бұрын
That was the Tower Bridger, not the London Bridge.
@Golftime123
@Golftime123 Жыл бұрын
There is an Issue with your Internet connection on your XBOX. The Buildings in London do NOT look that softened normally.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I am not sure that is the issue. I had a direct wired connection at 300mbps, that is plenty fast enough.
@JobuRum
@JobuRum 10 ай бұрын
London buildings are notoriously awful. As is Toronto.
@KristianStage
@KristianStage 10 ай бұрын
What is the price defference Xbox vs pc?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 10 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? I mentioned several time $3000 vs $500
@oscarm4154
@oscarm4154 13 сағат бұрын
bang for buck - Xbox - I actually prefer the not so over sharpened image the pc renders - and the dynamic range seems better on all xbox shots.
@ILoveCrepes601
@ILoveCrepes601 4 ай бұрын
I will say as a guy who used an old dell laptop as a kid playing msfs 2010. Than upgrading maybe a year and a half ago. I’m more than thrilled with the quality I get. Yes sometimes fps at bigger airports and traffic is more but still was way better than what I was ever Accustomed too. Also not a pc expert so series X makes it very easy to setup get right in game
@notmedude
@notmedude 7 ай бұрын
I would buy a VRR oled display for the money and enjoy unlocked framerate.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 7 ай бұрын
Yea, I wish I had an OLED, but it still great!
@caribbaviator7058
@caribbaviator7058 Жыл бұрын
The PC version is no doubt superior if you could afford it. The best part of the PC platform you have an array of addons to choose from!
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I obviously agree. Have you ever used VR? I really want to try on the sim.
@DETERMINOLOGY
@DETERMINOLOGY Жыл бұрын
Facts, Flight sim is one of the games that really shows the power between PC and console.
@Blue_Dun
@Blue_Dun Жыл бұрын
​@@mzgarage I know a guy who is really into flight sims, including MSFS. He has all the flight gadgets AND has gone through three VR units. He says you give up too much using VR and has gone back to his TrackIR.
@michaeljordan1906
@michaeljordan1906 Жыл бұрын
Did I miss the link that shows how to fix the loose throttle?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I have not made a video on it yet. It's pretty easy to do. You just have to replace the spring with a stiffer one. You can also put adhesive velco on the base of the throttle that increases resistance where it slides into the base.
@danitheiler2402
@danitheiler2402 Жыл бұрын
Not a really fair comparison. Why you pimped the pc version with free addons to compare with the default xbox version🤷🏻‍♂️
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
There was only two add-ons that I talked about, but I think that is something to consider when comparing them.
@1one6sixth
@1one6sixth Жыл бұрын
Disappointed on review captures. Simulator you fly in side an aircraft not out side as a chase plane view. So would have like to see the real point of view.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yea, that is a good point. I should have showed more in cockpit footage. I will say that in my opinion the difference in the cockpit was less noticeable compared to the scenery.
@FABRIZIOZPH
@FABRIZIOZPH Жыл бұрын
I found this video because I have some questions.. I think this video substantially clarified my questions but.. I will still ask you guys.. I obviously noticed a huge difference in graphics and details between a high end pc and even the xbox sx.. is it only because the obvious difference in GPU or is it also because the console game is free on the xbox game pass and therefore they give a watered down version on console? In other words if I was to actually buy the game on the xbox store would it have a higher graphic accuracy? I doubt it but I thought I would ask (snice there are many games on console that look 1000% better than FS on console as far as accuracy and precision of buildings and landscape)?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Your first point is correct. It just comes down to graphical/computing power. While the Xbox series x/s are incredible machines for the price, they cannot compete with higher end computers. In addition, the graphic settings on the Xbox are locked, so you really can't give or take from certain areas to get the experience you want. I am using MSFS through game pass in this video on both the Xbox and pc, that would not make a difference. MSFS is probably one of the most power hungry games/sims to run and that is why it had to be toned down to run smoothly on the Xbox. I can get 30-40 fps in high populated ares ie. airports and big cities on my PC with ultra settings and while playing Forza Horizon 5 in extreme settings I am getting 80-90fps.
@FABRIZIOZPH
@FABRIZIOZPH Жыл бұрын
@@mzgarage that's what I thought, thank you.
@FABRIZIOZPH
@FABRIZIOZPH Жыл бұрын
@MZ's Garage I just saw a video from another KZfaqr that even the rtx 4090 struggles in certain scenarios..42..44 fps (yes at max settings).. this tells me that we are lucky that this game even runs on a console no matter at what settings
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I wonder if he was using the frame generation? I would think he would be getting much higher than the low 40's, but perhaps the quality is not as good. I like using the DLSS Quality setting which renders it at 1440p and then upscales it. It's hard for me see any loss of quality, but I enjoy the slight fps boost.
@MattFromWiiSportsAndWiiParty
@MattFromWiiSportsAndWiiParty Жыл бұрын
Im saving for a Series X and msfs to it
@CK7985
@CK7985 11 ай бұрын
My new LG 65" C3 with 4K and 120 Hz, HDR and Dolby Vision and the XBox Series X fly in next week. I am looking forward.
@MattFromWiiSportsAndWiiParty
@MattFromWiiSportsAndWiiParty 11 ай бұрын
@@CK7985 Ima get a Thrustmaster T flight hotas one
@helicopterovirtual-msfs6254
@helicopterovirtual-msfs6254 10 ай бұрын
Fantástico
@videogameclips6100
@videogameclips6100 4 ай бұрын
The flight simulator runs at less than 30 fps on my xsx.Is somethin wrong? I only recently acquired an xbox last week,would be really helpful if someone could comment on this.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 4 ай бұрын
It runs at 30fps on both series s and x
@videogameclips6100
@videogameclips6100 4 ай бұрын
@@mzgarage Not on mine,And i bought mine only last week.
@brandonslone8937
@brandonslone8937 4 ай бұрын
Mine runs beautifully on the series s. Probably not as good as the pc and the series x, but I have not noticed any frame loss.
@videogameclips6100
@videogameclips6100 4 ай бұрын
@@brandonslone8937 But the camera free looking is not smooth is it?.
@brandonslone8937
@brandonslone8937 4 ай бұрын
@@videogameclips6100 When I have good internet connection it usually is. It's very network demanding. You could try playing offline to see if it's still like that.
@Airbus_.339
@Airbus_.339 7 ай бұрын
Is the pc worth the 2500 more? I dont think so
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 7 ай бұрын
Nope definitely not.
@Spacecoke
@Spacecoke 6 ай бұрын
If MSFS is the only thing you will ever play then No. If you plan on gaming as a whole then yes.
@Serpico360
@Serpico360 7 ай бұрын
It's clear that PC is superior in every way outside of price. When it comes to visuals, performance, the myriad of peripherals ie: joysticks, throttles, yolks not to mention dials, switches MFD's, etc along with VR makes PC a clearly more immersive experience. No one in their right mind would choose an Xbox over a PC when it comes to flight simulation. While I think it's great that console players can enjoy MSFS, by no means is it even a fair comparison.
@barnold62
@barnold62 8 ай бұрын
If you want realism you have to go with PC and get VR, a good yoke system, peddles, etc...
@torrance8897
@torrance8897 Жыл бұрын
Personally, i want 60 fps at least most of the time. Simulation for me is about immersion. When you pan the camera on 30 fps the immersion is gone. I dont get why its always say "in a simulator you dont need high fps". It seems to me that people only justify that common hardware is often not capable to get you decent fps in MSFS. After all i dont get why you would want to use an Xbox for Flight Simulator?! Press X to Land.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I agree. Perhaps I should have specified a number. From my experience 60fps is great in MSFS. When I said high frame rates, I was referring to other gams like first person shooters when people want 150+fps. I don't think that's necessary.
@PerpetratorPulse
@PerpetratorPulse 10 ай бұрын
​@@mzgarageimo 30 fps is fine for mfs2020 looks very smooth on the series x
@cartmabra482
@cartmabra482 9 ай бұрын
Can you crack plugins on the xbox version?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 9 ай бұрын
I don't believe so.
@Matthew...1979
@Matthew...1979 Жыл бұрын
Why don't I have the option to turn HDHR10 on with my Xbox series X?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Your TV may not have the HDR10 option?
@Matthew...1979
@Matthew...1979 Жыл бұрын
@@mzgarage I believe that's the case... What a freak'n bummer. My flight simulator looks like garbage because of that fact, too.
@caskraker
@caskraker Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. After spending about 700€ on a Series S, VF1 yoke and a wireless keyboard I have the ultimate FS experience. According to your footage, the XBox is at least as good as your ultra spec PC. And zero time lost on tweaking, installing, troubleshooting and endless irritation.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I would argue its not just as good. Perhaps video compressed it, or it was watch at less than 4K? You can see more detail on the PC, but for the price the Xbox is excellent and consistent.
@everythingvideos24
@everythingvideos24 8 ай бұрын
The Xbox is better because I can guarantee the pc struggles with render latency and fps drop compared to a gaming system. I have a 3060ti with 32gb ram, and a i7 and the 747-8 causes horrible stutters at 1080p compared to my Xbox Series S upscaled to 4K.
@elusive_mg_gaming
@elusive_mg_gaming 5 ай бұрын
It is all about fun really, you dont need 3 k pc to enjoy this game
@criert135
@criert135 Жыл бұрын
A lot of the negatives on the Xbox are due to recent downgrades to the LOD. In SU10 the Xbox version was practically identical to the maxed PC version. Since then the rendering distance on Xbox was significantly reduced, resulting in the current mess. Also, I would way that it seems you’ve somewhat desaturated the footage on Xbox. The colours and lighting on the Xbox version are vibrant and equal to the PC version here but in your video they appear muted in your Xbox footage. I’m assuming this was accidental.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yes, I am glad I am not the only one who noticed the decrease in LOD with SU10. I was amazed with the Xbox when I got it, but had not gone back to it in a month or so once I got a PC and that was right after SU10. I did not edit the color in any of the footage, but like I mentioned in the video there are many variables from capture, edit render, and upload. In my opinion I think the Xbox footage look more saturated. The Xbox footage was recorded with HRD on, which the way the editing software interprets the codec may make some changes on its own.
@stacyhill5978
@stacyhill5978 6 ай бұрын
Have both. Fps Xbox is better. Stability an content PC is better. I have a new PC upper mid range get 42-53 fps.
@caskraker
@caskraker 10 ай бұрын
If you have 1500 lying around and 20 hours a month for maintenance and tweaking both systems are equal.
@caribbaviator7058
@caribbaviator7058 10 ай бұрын
No need and I am using the PC version.
@caskraker
@caskraker 10 ай бұрын
@@caribbaviator7058 But not your brain.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 10 ай бұрын
What is 20 hours a month for maintenance in regard to?
@si4632
@si4632 8 ай бұрын
it looks amazing on series s
@ellonysman
@ellonysman 2 ай бұрын
Depends what you want. No hassle free flying, xbox x. Mire choices and devices, pc😅
@paulthurston2883
@paulthurston2883 Жыл бұрын
I seriously considered the Xbox, but I have so much money invested in Honeycomb & Logitech controls (including a Logitech FIP 6 pack, 2 radio panels, the Switch Panel, Multi Panel) it is just not an option for me and I don't feel like selling all my gear at what would be a downgrade in my cockpit setup.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yea, if you have all the peripherals, PC is the way to go!
@weltvonoben
@weltvonoben Жыл бұрын
The series x looks crazy good. Let's be honest, nothing better you can buy for 500 bucks.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Absolutely 👍
@weltvonoben
@weltvonoben Жыл бұрын
​​@@mzgarageI would suggest to turn off HDR in the settings, it makes everything to bright right now, best solution is Dolby vision activated and HDR inside the sim turned off
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I had it turned on the Xbox because I only used the Xbox on my TV prior to making this comparison. This actually made it difficult to process the captured footage from the Xbox. I have it turned off on the PC as my monitor does not support HDR 10, it has its own proprietary "HDR". When I used the HDR on my TCL TV on the Xbox I think it looked pretty good, I didn't see a huge different with it on vs off.
@pumpkineater23
@pumpkineater23 Жыл бұрын
No VR no buy
@zingwilder9989
@zingwilder9989 Жыл бұрын
You've summed it up well, sir. It all depends on what level of experience one desires. Of course, the console is the new player in town, but for any of us that have been with FS forever; the PC is the only tool we will use.
@Golftime123
@Golftime123 Жыл бұрын
I have been with MSFS since 2002 and switched to XBOX. Same experience with a proper setup, much much smoother then on a 2 K PC.
@apcetojako8219
@apcetojako8219 4 ай бұрын
xbox more vivid colors but they same i don't see diffrence
@845SiM
@845SiM Жыл бұрын
Cost effective I would say Xbox, but content is more for pc.
@DETERMINOLOGY
@DETERMINOLOGY Жыл бұрын
Actually i did the same thing. Had the xbox series X with all the bells and whistles and sold it and started rebuilding my old gaming pc which had a i7 6700k / GTX 1080.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I have a dell xps 9560 laptop with I7 7700H and GTX 1060, but I did not have much luck running it on it, but it's a laptop and not really comparable. I would think that the series X may perform better than your PC, but you can always upgrade one part at a time.
@DETERMINOLOGY
@DETERMINOLOGY Жыл бұрын
@@mzgarage At the moment it does which I have the the i5 13600k paired with the gtx 1080 but once i switch out the gpu it’s going to be lit. My cpu is there but my gpu is lacking and I’ll be doing mostly 1440p gaming at 120 - 144hz Also I had the Xbox series x it was nice but I wanted to go the pc route fully
@YourDailyR
@YourDailyR Жыл бұрын
it all boils down to one thing. PC is better, period. BUT this PC costs 6 times more than an xbox, but it does not give you 6 times better graphics. For me the only downturn on xbox is the lacking of VR.
@Samgratt
@Samgratt 10 ай бұрын
The Xbox version looks oversaturated because of hdr10
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 10 ай бұрын
That may have been it. I do remember compared it on and off when I was using it on my TV and did not notice too much of a difference.
@noahkirkoriangaming4532
@noahkirkoriangaming4532 Жыл бұрын
This test is fair because the rtx 3090 has 24 gigs of gddr6 while the Xbox only has 16 gigs of gddr6
@AdrienPierret
@AdrienPierret 6 ай бұрын
Sadly the Xbox has no chance for me as on PC I can play in VR. Microsoft really need to release a VR headset or make a deal with Meta because VR is coming whether they want it or not and it's starting to influence purchasing decisions. If you've never tried MSFS in VR well... don't try it as it will ruin it for you unless you can get it for yourself :D
@supercyberfunk
@supercyberfunk 8 ай бұрын
"It's not a gaming computer, but it's a very powerful computer." It being a powerful computer makes it a gaming computer. Could you please define what you meant by it not being a gaming computer? I'm really curious. Is it missing something? For $3,000, if it's not suitable for gaming, I'd want my money back. Maybe review bomb the site that sold me that thing in the first place. I'm serious, though. Please clarify. I'm now starting to question my own judgment.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 8 ай бұрын
When I said it's not a gaming computer, I meant it is not marketed as a gaming computer. The specs are very high. I do used the gaming driver for the RTX 3090. There are other variants of the CPU that geared more to gaming, but this is highest one sold it a XPS desktop. The games are on a Samsung 980 SSD. It has a liquid cooled CPU. It is very comparable to a high-end gaming PC, but just not marketed as one.
@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur
@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur Жыл бұрын
For $500 you still can't beat what the Xbox Series X power can do. You would need to spend about $1,500 on a PC to get what the Xbox Series X gives you for $500! I'm happy playing shooter games at 1440p@120fps for $500.
@JohnnyPerth
@JohnnyPerth Жыл бұрын
I have both. The big advantage to the PC is the massive amount of additional content available, some for free
@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur
@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur Жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyPerth I have never been a PC gamer and I know with shooters you need a keyboard and mouse to have the accuracy advantage over controller players and all the cheaters and hackers are on PC! No thanks!
@JohnnyPerth
@JohnnyPerth Жыл бұрын
@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur I don’t play shooters so that doesn’t affect me at all. It is much easier using a mouse. Although after a while, people can excel on a controller as well
@PG-3462
@PG-3462 Жыл бұрын
​@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur You can use a mouse and a keyboard on the Xbox Series X.
@JohnnyPerth
@JohnnyPerth Жыл бұрын
@@PG-3462 I know, I still have my X. I tend to use the PC a lot more because of the massive amount of items you can add to the game.
@Mikinct
@Mikinct Жыл бұрын
I believe one large difference is on XBOX I can not set "Ultra" settings at all. But on PC one can switch between Ultra and High to Medium. I think the Xbox is crippled at times because of this. Even with a fast internet & decent monitor it's stuck on maybe High settings but rarely notice ultra graphic settings on Xbox in my opinion.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Yea, as I showed in the video the Xbox does not allow for any changes in the graphics settings, but I think they did a good job of balance performance and quality except for SU11 were there seemed to be bid decrease in quality. Prior to that the Xbox looked very good. I would agree that the Xbox is somewhere around the "high" settings as far as level of detail, but there are many other settings on the PC that can be adjusted.
@nascar8and20
@nascar8and20 8 ай бұрын
PC always the best. But very impressive with xbox. Good job Microsoft 👏 👍
@5-Consecutive-Hairpin-Turns
@5-Consecutive-Hairpin-Turns Жыл бұрын
What a surprise, the $900 graphics card beats the $600 console. I mean im a PC gamer but come on, is this really fair?
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
This wasn't mean to be a value comparison. I say right in the video that the PC is not 6x better. I just wanted to make a comparison when I finally has a PC that would run MSFS 2020 really well. In fact, to your point, I felt like I had to spend this much on a PC to ensure it would be a notable improvement to the Xbox as far a graphical quality.
@KosukiFire
@KosukiFire Жыл бұрын
Pc also gets google maps and not bing
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I have never tried the google maps, have you? I have heard mixed reviews.
@rccosplay3249
@rccosplay3249 Жыл бұрын
If going PC make sure it's a top of the line most recent hardware typr of PC! It can be expensive. Or else go with xBox as it'll give one more of a smoother sim rather than a low end or cheaper PC that'll be stuttering crazy and quite low FPS.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree!
@MyPoe2028
@MyPoe2028 3 ай бұрын
I mean I would buy An Xbox Series X bc I have seen many reviews and graphics are great, and it shows very little difference between the Xbox series x and RTX 3090 so I’ll just buy an Xbox instead of a 4000 dollar pc
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 3 ай бұрын
You can't go wrong with the xbox!
@xKaoticPanter
@xKaoticPanter 6 ай бұрын
This is a lie. As your using mods on pc that are not part of the actual game, and NYC looks like the pc version on my game if not better as your not using HDR on the Xbox at all, reson to why is gray out
@MaloIsTheGoat
@MaloIsTheGoat Ай бұрын
But the Thrustmaster makes it better
@Achillduck
@Achillduck 17 күн бұрын
Hmmmm 🤔 I wonder why everything looks better on a $3,000 pc compared to a $500 console
@mzgarage
@mzgarage 17 күн бұрын
We may never know!
@qxeagle
@qxeagle Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I spent the extra money on a 3090.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Me too!
@andrewnicholls6065
@andrewnicholls6065 Жыл бұрын
You could build a killer PC for a lot less than that.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
I would argue that. You may be able to beat it by a little, but not much. Perhaps if you bought a used GPU, but 3090's are going for $1500 alone still. That is half the cost.
@dusermiginte4647
@dusermiginte4647 Жыл бұрын
Uhm.. you cant build a pc better than the series x for the same money..
@FABRIZIOZPH
@FABRIZIOZPH Жыл бұрын
@@dusermiginte4647 you can build a pc for $500 that is better than the xobox sx? I doubt it
@dusermiginte4647
@dusermiginte4647 Жыл бұрын
@@FABRIZIOZPH yeah, glad you agree.. ;)
@Spacecoke
@Spacecoke 6 ай бұрын
​@FABRIZIOZPH no you can't but can be much less that 3000. You don't need a 3090 to beat the console version in performance and visually. 3090 is just what he used. Also he probably using an expensive cpu and you only need something like a ryzen 5 3600.
@dusermiginte4647
@dusermiginte4647 5 ай бұрын
Hmmm how weird. Imagine that a sim looks better on a machine that cost 5x as much as the Series X.
@rafaellorbitzki3645
@rafaellorbitzki3645 5 ай бұрын
And... Addons???? Airport and planes??? Xbox we can????
@arthurletouriste5071
@arthurletouriste5071 Жыл бұрын
Pc all the way... and I have both.... BUT if you cant afford a pc , xbox does a pretty good job . But when you switch on pc you will never go back.
@mzgarage
@mzgarage Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree!
@PerpetratorPulse
@PerpetratorPulse 10 ай бұрын
Depends I had a high end pc but switched to xbox series x because I can't stand sitting all day on a chair instead playing from my bed . It's much more comfortable.and yes I know about steam big picture, but the xbox is still much more comfortable. Pc is good for rpgs, strategy games etc. But for adventure games you should get a xbox
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