I'm new to F1, but if w11 is faster than w14, why not just revert back w11? Or are there some compliance issues? Because 2sec+ would put into context with the leaders

F1 make regulation changes, to make racing better and closer so that is why sometimes the new regulations can slow the grid down

So this means they can't revert to w11?

​@@matthewmwepu1134 No, they are not allowed to. The car would not fit the 2023 rules

I was just going to call that out. Cool illustration.

The greatest F1 car ever developed might be the RB19 looking at the projection of this season But w11 is undoubtedly the fastest F1 will ever be

@@sureyeah3678 f2004

​@@sureyeah3678Ever???

@@HaydenLau. Yeah. You can't take F1 cars at raw pace. You have to contextualize how the car performed as compared to the rest of the grid. And the RB19 may not look as fast as the W11 on one-lap pace but on race-pace it is likely the fastest ever. It has already broken the record for most consecutive wins in a row and most wins and it is looking likely to smash the record for most wins in a season by winning every race of the season.

⁠@@Stealthassin135yeah but let’s assume that W11 and RB19 made a race. Mercedes would crush the Red Bull’s car

Great point, @formulaaadict would you be able to do a comparison at another circuit later in the season like Spain?

Valid but unimportant point. The w12 is a massively detuned w11. The 13 and 14 shouldn't be in this list. Or ever compared to their other championship winning sisters.

@@Bahamuttiamat massively detuned, but still the point stands that it was the first race of the reg, so the worst it would ever be, versus the almost best version of the W11. So the gap is bigger than it would be if taken in a mid-season race for both year.

it true, you're basically looking at the full extent of the nerfs with this W12. The W12 that showed up in Brazil would probably hold up a lot better, even if it's slower in the end

also important is the change in track limit rules of course

It was crazy that he was lapping everyone up to 4th 😂

He is still insane. Getting podiums with the 5th fastest car on the grid

@@mrklv1593 2nd in the constructors, but 5th fastest ok

@@mrklv1593 keep coping hard with the 2nd car on the grid ahahah

@@mrklv1593 Its the 3rd fastest

It was hard to keep it in the frame hahaha

its literally on rails lol

adjustable camber was the trick

W13 is the slowest in the animation. On the timing screens 2022 and 2023 times are mistakenly swapped

Going by the graphic and not the timings, the W13 was the slowest. Which makes sense. Someone cocked up the final timings.

​​​@@ElementsMMA Read the comment that it's *literally* in top of your comment.

Also the DAS(Dual Axis Steering) system was banned, it gave the W11 an astronomical advantage in the low speed corners by letting the driver adjust the toe of the front wheels to add more of a contact patch since in the low speed corners most of the grip comes from the tires rather than mechanical grip

The 2021 cars (W12) were a lot slower than the 2020 cars

That's on purpose. The slowest cars of that era was faster than the most dominant car of 2023. It's not due to the lack of technology, but a change in regs designed to slow down the cars. The engineering isn't really comparable due to that.

Your forgetting about the DAS and the novel rear suspension innovations.

some room temperature iq right there. you realize cars would be much faster if regulations wouldn't limit engineering

@@gpaje Exactly, if you return this year's cars to the weight of the old regulations, (752kg) they would be 46kg less and would probably be as insane as the W11.

No way @@lukasandresen3383

Austria or Styria in the wet was his best that year !

I'd love to see all of these car's get a 919 Evo Edition and a Modern Makeover Edition (apply some of the new aero principles manufacturing tricks and methods to get a car with classic regulations but kinda Modernised varients of it

@@redemolisher the 919 really was just, remove the things that it needs to race for 24 hours, add drs and better floor aero, and go

@@houseking9211 wasn't the chassis also modified in a few places that made some significant changes?

@@houseking9211 wasn't the chassis also modified in a few places that made some significant changes?

@@redemolisher no just aero changes, obviously they removed things like headlights and balast but that was it

its a shame how much F1 is influenced by redbull

@@RehanX44 And they won't change a thing about it to stop RBR, because fiabull is stronger than never.

@@KistRs keep inhaling that good copium. monkey will never win championship again

@@RehanX44the dumbest thing I have heard. But hey Merc fangirls do come up with the dumbest stuff. But hey let’s forget illegal tyre tests and engine getting ready WAY ahead of competitors, right? Y’all have some short memory tbh

@@KistRsnext level denial

Merc stopped upgrading the w11 early in the season

The biggest is actually the 2020 if you ignore Abu Dhabi (basically prototype W12 at that point) and the mini circuit of Sahkir where there wasn't much margin for corners to make a difference (basically about 4 real corners) and thus the close lap times of the cars there.

Yes, we actually have a video up about the infamous Jeddah 2021 Qualifying session hahaha

@@formulaaddict I've seen that one and it was very interesting to see. I believe other comparisons from 2021 between these two will be interesting to see as well.

The RB of 2021 was better than the Merc and driver made the difference.

@@brianm5753 Lmfao what have you been smoking? There are literally multiple articles out there (Racefans and Racingnews365 by example but there are tens) that have analyzed this exact question and literally all of them state Mercedes had the better car overall that season and it wasn’t even close anymore for the last 5 or 6 races.. But whatever makes you cope I guess though.

@@brianm5753guess you missed most of the season… I agree driver made the difference in the end, with Max being very aggressive. He had to as his car was inferior to the Merc. This was extremely obvious the last 5 races of 2021.

Yes but merc stopped upgrading the w11 quite early in the season

now you need to see the jump in performance in the rb's in 1 year !

There were a couple of changes to the regulations could've caused this, such as an increase in minimum weight limit, aero cuts (less downforce) on the cars, different floors (more drag), and I think Pirelli also changed their compounds a little bit that season to last longer

Mercedes lost 1.3s with the 2021 regulations.

@@nexx_740 The main changes; while publicly introduced on 'cost savings' ground were designed to nuked the low raked w11. Namely the floor cuts and specifically the rear cake tin winglets. This changed massively hurt low raked cars' ability to manage the rear tire squirt (wake).

@@Bahamuttiamat not 1.3s but lost a lot !

Industry secret

@@novuki I think you can code it in Python

Do you mean like: “2023 Championship winner vs the last 10 years”?

@@formulaaddict yes, wasn’t sure if you have done this in the past

No, but really appreciate the idea! I will make the video and give the credit to you at the beginning ;)

@@formulaaddict thanks man

The problem there is only Austria and Abu Dhabi as alternatives. Every other track either missed a year of racing because of 2020 or it was a rainy qualifying session at one of those years. As Austria is a really short track it’s not fully representative and we have not raced at Abu Dhabi yet hahaha. We will continue to make this format with other teams 100%

@@formulaaddictwatching this after Abu dabi

We are nearly done! will be out in a few hours :)

It will be out in a few hours :) Stay tuned

Fr like lewis what on earth was that track extension

Hamilton went completely off track at that exact spot 29 times in 2021. It literally won him the race. Max actually overtook Lewis by going off the track in that exact same spot and had to return the position. I'm glad they're actually enforcing track limits now. I seriously feel like there were times Lewis would lock up on purpose to do big cuts on the track, Bahrain 2021 and Mexico 2016.

It’s in Bahrain

Don't forget purple ultra soft Pirellis

There is this rule called Track limits, which was still a thing back in 2020 as well as now but Michael Masi just didn't care about it and changed what the track limits was from race to race, sometimes it was the white line (which is what the rule is) sometimes it was the end of the curb, sometimes the beginning of it, sometimes it changed throughtout a weekend where at the beginning they had to follow the white line and be within it and during the race they were allowed to go off it how much they wanted without getting penalized. This was imo the worst thing about Michael Masi.

We are on it... it is live in a few hours ;)

W11 is really the peak of an F1 car