An army of 19 assorted khorne warriors work amazingly well as a crapstack. Autoresolve gives almost all fights to them, they replenish very quickly and take a huge amount of punishment. You can recruit them in 1 turn from global and local so even if you lose some, your army will get back on its feet quickly. So ironically, Khorne is a better Nurgle than Nurgle.

In campaign get the exalted ones, and with some red line + experience buffs you have monsters slicing through almost everything.

One key thing to mention in the campaign, if you bum rush N'kari with Skarbrand (can be quickly achieved due to Khorne's mechanics) you can get a landmark called the Machina Daemonium I believe that greatly reduces global recruitment and upkeep costs for bloodletters, making them ridiculously cheap for how well they can perform.

Coincidentally in almost all of these matches there were factors that put bloodletters in disadvantage: -Forsaken: famously bad ap spread->more effective to light armor, as well as having magical attacks bypassing resistance -against guns you should have them charging. It would probably do better compared to halberd/dual weapons -cannons is fair. -light cav->non ap damage->relatively more effective vs bloodletters -there are 2 different kinds of "elite infantry", those with ap and those without. Those without generally have slightly better 'other' stats, so bloodletters not having armor hurts them again. Bloodletters work best as the center of your forces against ap dealing elite infantry. Sadly for the bloodletters, in the current meta only celestial dragonguard and khorne's halberds really have that role. But I think they are balanced for when immortal empires comes out. They should be able to trade well against har ganeth executioners, black orcs, greatswords, grave guard (gw), temple guard, hammerers, depth guard and sword masters of hoeth. Most of these units should be fairly effective against the other khorne warriors, since most have roughly 100 armor, ap damage, anti infantry, and lack magical attacks.

This is excellent content. Please do more tests for other factions as well. @Enticity

Enticity I like this niche short format statistic content you have found, keep it up!

Halberds are absurdly efficient, even against infantry. They're just slow to do the killing (but that's what bloodcrushers and minotaurs are there for!). Another thing to bear in mind with them that given Khorne has no missiles, the AI tends to just slam their cav/monsters into your frontline, further making Halberds more effective. I like to have 2 shields up front and spread out to take any initial missile salvos, 3-4 halberds make up the main body of the frontline and then 2 exalted bloodthirsters are held slightly back to either overlap or exploit gaps without risk of being charged or blasted by missiles. Works a charm!

I have always suspected that dual weapons + halberds was pretty good, it's nice to see that's not too bad a gut instinct when so many people say to just bring bloodletters.

Such thorough testing! If you do more of this I think it will really draw the rest of the community in. The only thing to do differently would be to have 3/5 units at a time to test with, but I get with the content creator build that's a bit hard to do with limited people and or mods.

I didn't like how much damage the Bloodletters took, so I made a stack of dual weapons, 4 halberds, and 4 Exhalted Bloodletters. I would throw the warriors in and micro my Bloodletters, skullcannons, heroes, ECT.

Super concise and informative. Loving these videos!

When you do these tests you should do like 3 units vs 3 units each test, to account for ai errors like the one you experienced.

they are the damage not the tanks, this all makes sense. Guarded they are nice, by themselves they underperform.

I don't think that tzar guard test was really precise. The lord tends to knock back entities and prevent them to attack the other unit when he's not killing them

Kislev's hybrid units comparison. I wish thee good luck :P

This confirms what I already had found by experience: regular shielded Khorne warriors in front, duel wield in back, skip the bloodletters

It’s worth considering that in campaign, over half (I think?) of the battles are settlement battles, in which the bloodletters lack of durability under missile fire comes into focus.

Nice video, simple but very instructive!

I spent 4 minuted tapping rewind because hearing "Kho-Kho-Kho-Khorne" over and over was prime content

very interesting and useful video, thx for your work

You do well in tying the end of your videos to other videos as an ad. Nicely done!

I think CA really miss the chance to give each god a T5 infantry called (insert name)’s chosen. Super beefed up chaos warriors that would be effective against everything but real pricey. Khorne’s could just have a flat bonus against large to make them dual purpose. Tzeentch’s could have a powerful short range missle attack like iron breakers. Slannesh’s would be faster and also have a debuff aura of some kind and Nurgle could have regen and maybe slow enemies around them. Obviously I’m just spitballing here

Are there any other units you want to see tested?

Very helpful!

Hey man. Thx for your series it's pretty useful and good. I wonder why don't you use a partner in your videos? It would be much more reliable if you tested let's say 5 units of each type vs othe 5 units of a different type on a flat map without lord's intervention and minimizing rng factor. Zerkovich runs those tests pretty good so you may have a look on it on his channel

in campaign, i usually always just used bloodletters for a simple fact: Speed. khorne warriors are painfully slow compared to everything else, and dealing with the millions of settlement sieges, speed is a very very important factor, as you spend a lot of time flanking otherwise, and getting to the points, all the while being shot at by towers.

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Happy the dual weapons are best. They're my fav amongst them. I have a bad experience with bloodletters, seem to get melted too easily

since legion of chaos gets a +10 bonus to infantry for ALL khorne units, i just go full halberds. the +10 gives them really good MA vs infantry and they already have AP. vs large they are already great. covers all my bases. make up for the slow speed with a couple bloodcrushers/thirsters

Bloodletters are great because chaff clearing is really important to Khorne.

The only thing I would say you still need to test is using bloodletters mixed with another Infantry unit with better armor so soak the blows up. In that case they actually do quite well, espcially with Demon prince using nurlgings to soak hits. However Dual weapons are amazing and I do prefer them as well

After a long first campaign with Kislev, which ended into domination victory due to me being way behind in the race on very hard, I wanted a more cool experience with wh3, so I picked Scarbrand and spammed Khorne warriors. I actually did the race on that one, but if I wanted, I would have done domination way earlier, as Khorne warrior spam just doesn't die, even on very hard. Battles were a slog tho.

Bloodletter are kinda like forsaken, but with ap. fast, less tanky than warriors, but with more dmg output. put a unit of them on your flanks or mix them alongside your frontline to quickly break throught a port of enemy frontline adn start wrecking havoc on backline. Well In woch i used to take 4-5 marouders, ror warriors ad ror forsaken to make 2 breakthroughts. Khorne doenst have such cheap infantry so this strategy might be impossible and taking 4-5x warriors with shields and 1-2 halbers may be the way and cultists to summon bloodletters.

I was about to play a Khorne campaign and was trying to check the optimal composition for my armies, so thanks for the video. I wanted to ask, would you be interested in a spreadsheet I have made concerning every unit in the game with stats before and after research/XP/lord buffs?

Honestly I just go full knorne warrior/skullcrusher etc build becuase they look sick haha you can also buff them alot with talents and they get frenzy with +50% leadership

Ah, you tested against Tzeentch forsaken which nullify the physical resist that bloodletters get (since magical attacks), so I would say that they would fare better against other forsaken a bit.

So the halberds trade vest overall but kill slowly? I might start stacking them early game. Having no bad trades at all is really nice in campaign. Support with cav and have your lord charge enemy siege weapons instantly for best results I think.

Video on how to properly use Skull Cannon vs infantry from the side?

I've seen a few tier lists rank bloodletters higher than I probably would, the lack of combat endurance really makes them a lot less desirable to me. If it's speed you want just bring cav or beasts. Over many battles, I've actually found that I got the most out the halberds.

finally an educated test without randomly smashing two units together and ranking them.

For domination, there's certainly points of time where they got their usage, but it's mostly as fodder when you run out of hounds. Flesh Hounds are just so much better in every situation for 100 less, can vanguard, fast speed and is one unit that pairs well with a strong frontline to flank an engagement, them and furies. So only points I've seen bloodletters be worth it is when you need more bodies quickly but you don't have enough hounds. If you want something to be killy, it's better to go with the dual weapons majority of the time, and if you really want that killing power, go with exalted bloodletters. Even with their speed, you're better getting any of the hounds or furies to flank a unit. They kinda have the same issue as daemonettes, a niche unit you don't wanna use as your core army most of the time, with few usages. But if you don't worry about speed and aren't sure what to pick, I'd say just go dual weapons. Ofcourse it's a whole other deal with campaign, but in campaign you can make anything work if you really want to, so I would just go with whatever and make fun armies, then learn from whatever you feel is most fun.

I tend to use Bloodletters against Order factions and Chaos Warriors against Chaos. The only exception is when I'm facing Tzeentch and I need high armor and shields to deal with the pink and blue horrors. One thing that really kills the Bloodletters for me is the fact that they disintegrate. Knowing that I lose them when they route destroys their value to me. Chaos Warriors can replenish from terrible losses no problem, and they're hard to completely eradicate because of their high armor.

I just recruit a little of everything and then recruit more of whatever survives

I like Letters on light shock inf in all honesty using them as a front line is a waste of money due to the over all bad trades.

To be fair, aint the forsaken about as shoddy a matchup as you can get for bloodletters ? High dmg, low AP, magic attack, it is no wonder they take a lot of dmg in that fight. Personally im a huge fan of the halbards they seem to perform well in most situations.

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Campaigns might change this if there are techs that affect bloodletters but not corn warriors. I think lord skills all affect bloodletters and corn infantry equally. I'd warn not to mix and match infantry of different speeds otherwise bloodletters end up finishing fights before corn warriors arrive. You can see this in the siege test since there's such a high difference in arrival times enemies or bloodletters would have routed. You can purposely slow down your bloodletters but enemy missile units will focus your squishier targets or lords while you do so get good at dodging! And during sieges slowing down means the enemy is better in position. I'm surprised bloodletters did so poorly vs Tzar guard considering the bloodletters have an anti-infantry bonus and are armor piercing. 2 things that counter tzar guard. I expect them to at least do better than Chaos warriors with halberds. It might be more elevation shenanigans since each unit fights at a different spot? Nvm they're just going to lose to the tzar guard. Without the boyar I think it's much closer though.

So do magic attacks still work like TWW2? Bc that's why I took bloodletters - to kill demon infantry w physical resist. I'm pretty sure that is where blood letters shine above their mortal counterparts. I remember testing myself, and I found the mortals were better against mortals, and demons better vs demons. You tested against forsaken which are the black sheep of demon infantry bc heavy armor, where all other demon infantry have low armor and get cut down quick by bloodletters. I guess I'll have to test again...

I a managed to block a huge skaven reinforcement army with 2 khorne chosen with dual weapons…. Each got over 700 kills and barely lost a model.

I prefer Khorne Warriors because of their staying power. They might route but they can come back. Bloodletters will just disintegrate. I just crapstack with an army of mixed Warriors and maybe a max of 4 Bloodletters for extra flanking damage.

Bloodletters are okay but exalted bloodletters WOW they mulch everything they touch

i didn't realize how much we overvalue physical resistance

I want to see Bretonia and orcs in TW:W3.

Let's see how Paul Allen would do.

Bloodletters are still much better than warriors because of their speed, so you can engage faster and flank. And dual weapons warriors are a t3, while exalted bloodletters are only t4, which means that you can simply skip dual weapons and halberds in favour of exalted bloodletters, since as Khorne you get so much extra growth. Basic khorne warriors are simply a meme, since they are slow and have no ap, yet they cost basically as much as bloodletters, despite having lower killing potential.

I know it doesnt seem to be worth the views any more, but man I miss your multiplayer streams where you explained how and why you play the way you did with the same precision as here, but also whilst facing your opponent.

what about exalted?

I wanna sub just so I too can be an enticity enticle.

Unlike with slaanesh it doesn't really matter which infantry you use with khorne, imo The demons are demons and the warriors have versatility and tankiness Demons just run in and win Warriors with shields in the tank the enemy projectiles and hold the line, while halberds take out large targets and dual weapons cut through enemy lines

Khorne is still one of the classic Chaos faction to play

Interesting video, thanks for checking it. However i do feel that excluding Exalted Bloodletters were unfair for the daemons. Dual Axe and Halbierd warriors are T3 just as exalted bloodletters.... should have been included. Regular bloodletters are T0 main settlement / t2 military building.

I thought anti large units like halberds perform better without countercharging or am I wrong?

I killed nakarai with a single unit of exalted bloodletters

I really like “entitles” as a name. it’s very…unique

In SP bloodletters are always the best choice. They're awesome

Human variants are less tanky too

How much physical resistance have the demonstrated compared to the warriors. My bet is that the demons' campaign physical resistance does not apply in custom battle, therefore the demons would perform better in campaign that the warriors.

I’ve been screaming that Khorne warriors are better overall value than bloodletters since the game came out and no one listens because bloodletters have cool words like “armor piercing” and their special ability

there is one infantry unit missing.

I think Hotseat mode performs better.

Should’ve waited like 4 hours lol. This might all change

You could've chosen "Entities" or "Enticitizens" but nope gotta make it weird

Ok so Kill fast bloodletters. Kill good. anything else got it.

I personally think the Khorne Warriors need a slight speed buff due to the relative advantages of the bloodletters . Somewhere between 30 and 32.

Mobile or 10y/o+?

Minotaurs. End of discussion 😂

Why no exalted bloodletters?

And Legend put bloodletters above khorne warriors. Hah.

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Man I really really wish you had included the exalted here.... Just to see because it doesn't make any sense at all to not include them. Money isn't an issue did khorne, the size of the unit roster is, why not include the obvious best choice?

Just wanna say, you are hella cute my frand

Are streltsi just dogshit or are khorne warriors absurd? I can't think of any armored infantry in Warhammer 2 that would use all of any units armor peircing ammo without routing

weird how the bloodletters are so bad

Halberds: do exactly as they're designed to do, also excel against armored infantry, get zero recognition. Cool. Cool cool cool.

Entilings sounds just as bad

Finally someone that gets slaanesh pronouns right

why did you exclude the best infantry in the game, the exalted BL?

This guy loves bloodletters so much he gives them a second chance at counting how long they take to win a fight lol. Very opinionated poll.