Which type of USB charging socket should you fit for faster charging?

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EU regulations are changing - stay ahead of the curve when choosing a USB charger socket.
Socket outlets with integral USB chargers are popular within electrical installations. Popularity is set to increase as battery-powered devices no longer include a block plug-in charger. Customers are also demanding faster charging for an increasing array of devices supplied with USB C charging sockets.
In this video, we explore 13A USB charging sockets and a Euro Module charging solution which supports Quick Charge and Power Delivery charging.
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00:00 What do customers want?
00:38 Chargers supplied with battery devices are being phased out.
01:34 USB C the standard soon.
02:20 USB A still around for legacy devices
02:52 How much power can a 13A socket with USB supply
04:20 Fast charging with 13A USB sockets
04:58 High power Euromodule USB Chargers
05:39 Support Quick Charge and Power Delivery modes
05:54 Power delivery mode in operation
06:50 Euro modules enable installation future-proofing.
07:36 Capable of charging USB C laptops
08:45 USB sockets to support a tablet charging
10:00 iPad Pro charging
11:00 Are dedicated charger circuits an idea for electrical installations?
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@brianwood5220 3 жыл бұрын

Hamilton seem to be leading the way with USB C PD Euro Module Sockets. I haven't seen any others doing those yet. Thanks guys.

@markandrews8437 3 жыл бұрын

Good timing this video gents we are just upgrading our sockets and switches and have been discussing USB nice very helpful as usual

@davidroche6973 3 жыл бұрын

Seeing this managed charging more and more these days, a good topic have picked up on 👍

@adrianandrews2254 3 жыл бұрын

I had Euro Modules fitted 9 years ago with USB B sockets supplied by the French manufacturer "Legrand". The physical connector type does not matter one bit - it's the protocols that matter, Cables to suit most phones with dozens of connector permutations are available on ebay (for examole ). Regarding regulations, the modules are effectively Domestic Equipment which happen to use back boxes in the wall. Every module in the house is powered off a single 3 A connector unit feeding T+ E within the wall instead of flexible in the air . The installation fixed wiring ends at the Connector Unit. I find telecoms suppliers MUCH cheaper than electrical suppliers for a wide range of euro modules - TV , phone, RJ45, RJ11, D-type, HDMI etc. etc,

@deang5622 Жыл бұрын

The physical connector does matter because USB-C supports higher charging voltages than USB A. So you can achieve higher power delivery down USB-C than USB A.

@bernardgarrett3897 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative video. Thank you

@_Steven_S 3 жыл бұрын

Trick question! You should plug your charger of choice in to the BS 1363 socket-outlet 😁

@theo610 2 жыл бұрын

Any chance they would now introduce a USB C EPR capable of delivering the full 240W ?

@masteragency5239 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

@earlyyearslearningisfun 3 жыл бұрын

Fabulous work team EFIXX

@shaunkimsey2017 3 жыл бұрын

Hi efixx great informative video as usual. Does the USB euro module need to be locally fused as I assume these can't come straight off a radial or ring or ciruit.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

They can be connected direct to the circuit - you would have to spur off a ring due to terminal size.

@AE-mu1jc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you boys! Great video same every video before. But one question: Why have every socket in UK (and every device e.g. freezer) a switch but an usb-port not? Specially every usb-changer in my hosehold (here in Germany and in Thailand) stay in a switchable socket or I put out this device if I not used it. If we have a thunderstorm we put out all devices since more as 50 years in my family. We never have had crashed electric devices ...

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Another quirk of the UK electric system

@snapbacksteesnmoresnapback6105 2 жыл бұрын

Hamilton Hartland or the Knightsbridge Fastcharge which would be top of your list for a new home being built?

@chrisnunn81 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video, could you advise places to purchase the euro module (50x50) from as a lot of googling was unsuccessful 😊

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a brand new product - stock arriving soon we are told. We want some for our devices! We will update as soon as we get the nod.

@andyblackpool Жыл бұрын

@@efixx And still missing from Google one year on...

@abzzeus Жыл бұрын

I'm using extension cables with built-in chargers. The one device that has an issue is the amazon tablets they take 2.5W from everything other than the Amazon charger

@kengibson3414 3 жыл бұрын

Where did you obtain the USB charge monitors from, handy piece of kit!!

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Via Amazon - see link in the description

@kieranhall1998 3 жыл бұрын

would love all these usb soloutions to have a power switch for the electronics to reduce the circuitry power draw and have the ability to turn the circuitry off if not needed or faulty to allow the AC sockets to still work

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

We made this follow up video to explore the issues you raise. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fq-jh65ll9Wcl2Q.html

@misstakenot9582 2 жыл бұрын

@@efixx That seems to link to the same video as above...

@shockingguy 2 жыл бұрын

This is my exact question that I posed above, if you have a plug-in wall where you can unplug it there by stopping that vampire load, these built-in sockets either here in the states or over there where you’re at do not seem to have a switch so these things are always running a tiny bit in the back what a giant waste.

@shockingguy 2 жыл бұрын

@@efixx you did not address this this is the same video we are watching now he just said maybe you could have this whole circuit on a switch this stuff needs to be just like your damn outlets with a localized switch at the plate

@shockingguy 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nayUdrJ0lanVgac.html

@rtenterprises Жыл бұрын

Hi. I want one of these in the bathroom to connect a voice assistant. I know you can’t have mains outlets in a bathroom, but usb is far lower voltage so should be ok right?

@andyblackpool Жыл бұрын

I have Euro plug adaptor (two pronged to a 3 pin British plug - you can get them anywhere - a couple of quid in the £ shop) I plug my Echo dot power cube via this into the bathroom shaver socket. It has a very low draw and has worked perfectly for about two years now. If you searched eBay you could probably get a two pronged Euro/American power cube and cut out the need for the adaptor.

@electroplank587 2 жыл бұрын

what about the standby current draw for these units. considering they are not going. to be used 90% of the year how how much electricity would they waste?

@barryjdwyer 3 жыл бұрын

Cannot find any suppliers carrying these USB PD eurofix - any product code to help narrow it down?

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

They are coming in to stock soon 🔜 with Hamilton- we will update as soon as we get heads up. We want a load for our kit

@Chris-hy6jy 3 жыл бұрын

Do these sockets still not have a switch to isolate the DC PSU from the mains? If not, why not?

@bartman58 2 жыл бұрын

It would be more expensive and they are not worried about minions like my self to help me testing 👊

@danielwitheridge4295 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know a cost for these and where you can get them

@kevinmellor551 3 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me what the light switch is that Gordon has please?

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a wireless control used in a Rako lighting control system - rakocontrols.com/rcm070/

@leebaker9699 3 жыл бұрын

Any news on stock of these usb pd euro jobbies.?

@andyblackpool Жыл бұрын

Not by August 22 they haven't ....

@scottsparky1 3 жыл бұрын

Do the USB sockets still use electricity while not in use like leaving a charger plugged in does

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Great 👍 question - A very small amount - we’ll measure next week an report back

@steamhammer2k 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx Looking forward to this

@guffermeister 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Its not much but does build up if you have a lot of them in your property

@Alan_AB 3 жыл бұрын

I have pondered this for some time now. Imagine the amount of money the electricity suppliers are making by people in any given locality just leaving their chargers plugged in and running.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Here you go kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nayUdrJ0lanVgac.html and a few other issues explored

@michaeltb1358 3 жыл бұрын

The MK Euro module has switches on the sockets so no power is used until a plug is inserted. Does the Hamilton do the same? I don't like the fact that most usb supplies are permanently connected to the mains

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t have a switch - interestingly MK dropped the switch on their sockets with USB built in.

@michaeltb1358 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx They were expensive and needed a 47 mm box. But still a pity. There are some USB only sockets on Amazon with a switch to turn them off.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

We made this follow up to look at these issues - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fq-jh65ll9Wcl2Q.html

@m101ist 2 жыл бұрын

@@efixx Should build indicators near the usb charging ports. Red for charging and green for charged. 😳

@bartman58 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any chance you , Gordon, John ward, photoinuction, big Clive, Chris, Jordan. Bundy 10, the doctor, Amy, DJS, Tom N, sorry if I have missed anyone but can you all write the next wiring regs book please👍

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea 💡

@LANKY123 3 жыл бұрын

Can you not just get a cable and plug legacy devices into the USB c charge port? If so why bother with the USB a charge ports.?

@pbs7986 3 жыл бұрын

Will fast charging damage the battery, and or, lead to the overheating of devices?

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Battery management is managed by the device - they typically fast charging until 80% charged and then moving to a slower rate. Fast charging with the PD socket is no different than the chargers supplied with the device. Always use cables from a reputable source.

@pbs7986 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply! I enjoy the quality content of your videos. Keep em coming 👍

@dave0smeg 2 жыл бұрын

We have a raft of plug in chargers. As new phones come along they require a more powerful charger. We have 500ma, 1000ma, 1200ma, 1500ma, 2000ma, 2400ma, and the latest one is 3000ma. Only the most powerful one will register on my wife's newest phone.

@johnlightfoot9967 2 жыл бұрын

I would never have sockets with USB built in, the change speed in USB standards means sockets will become out of date several times over the life of the socket.

@MarkUKInsects Жыл бұрын

I'm not a gadget freak by a large margin, but its 2023, and the only device I how have that has non-USB C is an old Camera, everything else is USB C. And with the EU mandating that all Phones, Cameras, and similar devices will be USB C. Why are so many larger manufactures still making only USB 1 charging? or if they do, its a dual 1 USB C + USB 1 charger. I am moving soon to a new home that will need a re-wire. I can't see any need to install any USB 1 (slow) charging. Why cant I but a 13amp twin wall socket with twin USB C fast charging? And the same for a 50x50 Euro? apart from very questionable unbranded Chinese crap?

@scottsparky1 3 жыл бұрын

Those USB sockets take ages to charge my phone as the charger the phone comes with is a 40w charger

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

The 45W euro module in the video should offer the same performance

@guffermeister 3 жыл бұрын

Will take ages if its not a power delivery socket that can negoriate the higher voltage - general rule of thumb - if its makred up as 5v and 2ish Amps then its a "dumb" supply and will not offer a quick charge facility

@shockingguy 2 жыл бұрын

So instead of being able to unplug your wall wart you’re going to install these and they’re gonna be powered on all the time being vampire loads for the whole country right because they don’t turn on and off with those switches do that this is another bad design at least in the UK you have switches at your outlets we don’t typically have that over here. You need to address the insane waste that will come from these vampire loads.

@Alan_AB 3 жыл бұрын

USB = Universal Serial Bus. Yet, there's nothing "universal" about them. The race is on to see which company can corner the market for mass production of charger types. Meanwhile the consumer must still have a differing selection of charger types for our various devices. We are the pawns in a "war of patents" as each company claims to be the standard one.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

It is a bit of a challenging situation at the moment. Hopefully the EU will mandate USB C at both ends soon and that will drive through standardisation.

@Alan_AB 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx I agree. But the pressure is on as to which company's version of the USB configuration is to "the standard". Are companies like Samsung and Motorola going to have to pay royalties to Apple if their configuration is chosen as the standard? I can see a bidding war between companies and the EU playing out somewhere along the line.

@Zaph31 3 жыл бұрын

@@Alan_AB USBC is royalty free. Apple helped develop the standard but take no revenue. You may be thinking of Thunderbolt3 which has the same presentation but is owned by Intel and others.

@m101ist 2 жыл бұрын

@@efixx I thought we left the Eroupean union to make our own rules, regulation and standards.😳

@scratchpad7954 3 жыл бұрын

+efixx Do they make these USB outlets for 120-volt markets such as the United States? I have an idea for a massive upgrade that makes these USB outlets capable of delivering up to technically 118 watts of USB power, using the full specs of USB-C to deliver up to 100 W and the full specs of USB-A to deliver the additional 18 W.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

We believe you can get 120V wall receptacles with USB charging built in.

@williamlowther7051 3 жыл бұрын

you shouldn`t fit any usb sockets look at the electrical safety council test results

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

The report is prior to BS1363 amd2 - the problem moving forward is chargers won’t be supplied with battery powered devices .e.g smart phone. So a customer will have to choose a charger. It doesn’t matter if charger is in the socket or a plug in unit - choose a reputable brand. Link to report for reference of what to watch out for - www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/professional-resources/product-safety/usb-socket-outlets/

@williamlowther7051 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx never be able to turn it off if fitted into a socket, that is the difference