But I wanna play thunder war…

warfunder

the horrors of war (thunder)

I think it is a smart move on MS for not doing a mid-gen refresh since it would've felt useless in concept since PS4 Pro released when it only took a couple of years before the PS5 release

❤️👾🕹️🎮❤️

Have you played dragons dogma 2?

Helldivers 2 is pretty good.

Stagnant, no no no. Regressing is more like it.

Bro my brother got me the 2nd best-value CPU in the world and a great GPU, still got 85FPS on Roblox 😅

Not by necessity. It's because of a lack of optimization and due diligence. The current hardware is quite enough for this generation, there's no need at all for a pro console.They just need to actually make games and optimize them for the systems.

That's awesome

My friends and I had a stupid joke about the slim. In Dutch slim means Smart. It was a "smarter" decision to buy that version.

@@Wesmoenthat’s so fucking hilarious amen brother

@@Wesmoen I digress. What about slim smartphones?

@@Jokervision744 The slimmer, the smarter!

Haha! It really has become the bit wars of this day and age. Everyone wants the console with the most, but nobody really knows what the hell it is.

@@MrMoogleYeah whenever you ask the person the question. what is a teraflop they always dodge it.

I prefer the flop wars

🧓Back in my day sonny oohyeheh...

@@greetingsmars Sounds better actually.

Unfortunately gaming has been hooked on better graphics as a selling point since forever. And I doubt that will change, ever. Now, it’s never actually worked; the most powerful console has never been the best selling console, but that won’t stop them.

Wrong. Consumers want better looking graphics, we have the data for that.

@@user-hq6kn5vp2q source?

We need better developers. Nintendo has games like Luigi’s Mansion 3 or Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom with pretty advanced physics engines and decent enough graphics, especially since it’s running on hardware thats probably weaker than a $200 smartphone. If you bump the res of those games, they look fantastic. Nintendo has their faults, but their developers know how to code. These other AAA developers are garbage bin developers. Look at Dragons Dogma 2. It looks like shit and runs like shit.

@@user-hq6kn5vp2q Higher fidelty doesn't mean higher detail. People want games that are unique looking and denser, not games that run at a higher resolution or have sixty million vertices per model. That honestly is the opposite of what studios are doing, where they go for the highest fidelity with insane polygon counts and the highest texture resolutions possible, cutting not only optimization off at the knees despite the constant reuse of assets but also making the game areas feel sparse and less detailed even though they're massive.

The use-case for a youtuber is different than a casual or core gamer. A youtuber saying "ps5pro is pointless (for general audiences)" while getting one themselves, is, surprisingly, not a hypocrite.

You must also hate when youtubers (reviewers) buy shitty games and complain about them. "every single one of them"

It's still true though.

@@haldir108 No, but it's still a problem. You could argue the biggest issue with gaming these days is the "They'll buy it anyway" mentality. It wont get any better as long as it stays true.

@@zetsubou-sensei1078 That doesn't apply to this situation

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@@Nev1812 He's joking dude lol it's probably some homebrewed bootleg "GTA VI" and is just making a joke about it

People just mod gta sa and burn it on a disc and call it gta 6 and then sell them for a few cents this happens in most third world countries​@@zk0rned

@@weeasipboy_iq4279 I probably should've explained myself better because that's what I was referring to lol

@@Nev1812 r/whoosh

Wasnt the switch oled a mid gen console?

@@somnia3423 I guess I consider a mid gen release to be something that includes a speed bump. If the rumors of the Pro Switch had come true instead of just the OLED screen, I would have considered that a mid gen Switch. But if you include the PS2/3 Slim as mid gen updates as well, then I would also put the Switch OLED in that group as the more refined release of the console at the midway point.

Nintendo isn't really in the performance game. They will come out swinging in 2025 with 2018 hardware

no lol @@somnia3423

@@dante19890 Current rumours suggest Ampere based GPU, so 2020 hardware, but still.

Doesn't even make them money. The thing is they don't want to lose the audience that wants max FPS and performance. I mean it's an upgrade and you don't have to get it. Though some people would love an upgrade.

Reporter: Are the games better? Sony: No!

They don't even try to hide it anymore 😅

@@eyeofterra Why would the audience that wants max FPS and performance be buying a console ? They would be buying a high end PC for gaming. Sony is after the casual AAA gamers, that just buy the latest console for easyness.

"What inspired you to make a second PS5 right after the original?" "Money!"

One game

@@godonomasI don’t know why

I bought a ps5 with no games to buy

People didn’t read the quote, “[…] we do not plan to release any new major existing franchise titles next fiscal year like God of War Ragnarök and Marvelʼs Spider-Man”. There aren’t no games coming. They could be releasing new IP, or smaller scale games in their major franchises, or sequels to existing franchises they don’t consider major. It was very specific wording that only applies to like, 4 IP (GoW, Spider-Man, TLOU, Horizon). Basically, “we have no 10 million seller releasing this year” not “we have no 1st party games releasing”. Huge difference. I’m there with people, the PS5 is sorely lacking proper exclusives, and it’s taken too long to get what few exist. But we don’t need to sensationalize or lie about what was actually said.

@@catuluj4385 Same here. The two reasons for me to get a Ps5 (Spiderman 2 and Persona 3 Reload) I got with the console, so now what’s there to get?

it won't.

@@lucy-peroThe base PS5 is already cheaper here after the slim came out

It won't go down by much. Sony isn't repeating the samething as ps4 generation. If i'm not mistaking, base PS4s had seen 2 price cuts prior to ps4 pro release. And the ps4 pro here where i live, went on sale for almost 100 bucks off with 1 classic 10€ game attached of my choosing. I never wanted to buy the pro variant but since i saw the sale like 2-3 months after release, i decided to give it a try and threw my ps4 fat 500gb to a friend back then and went with the pro, which i still have here next to me. The PS4 pro lowering in price during a sale, forced the ps4 to then have additional price cuts for a short time. The PS5 started differently. Lack of stock, price increase by Sony to then have discounts from time to time. Not long ago they dropped the price on PS5 because they weren't meeting the intended sales quota. So PS5 right now has a price cut, not sure if permanent but it has been like this for multiple months now. I bought my PS5 100 bucks off late 2023. With the presence of ps5 pro on the horizon. I am fairly certain that Sony is going to push for 500-550€ for the ps5 pro all digital, with a 550-600€ variant for physical games. It would make more sense for the disk drive addon to be sold at a discount or have a price cut so that people would have a chance to buy the addon if they wanted, but there aren't that many disk drives out there, so sony would still win since the digital variant would still reign supreme in sales and would mean better profits from the hardware sales. With this said, my expectations is that PS5 base all digital will go for 400€ as new price, with the disk version going for 450€. Then the pro going for 500-600 range. PS5 major price cuts will occur when PS6 is close to being released, which means, 2026/2027. By then you will see base ps5s being sold for 300 bucks or even less from time to time to clear stocks and make room for the next generation system. While the pro variant will most likely go for 400 bucks by the end of the generation. The only way ps5 pro sees price cuts early, is if it flops in sales.

The series X is down to around $400.

Look for a second hand one.

NGL I might actually buy a PS5 solely to play FF7 Rebirth early and I've seen this sentiment a lot online

@@neetpride5919 not a bad idea. I've heard the FF7 remake PC port was pretty bad anyway. The rebirth PC port will probably also suck.

Stellar Blade. Is called Stellar Blade.

Lol so true. Literally all the games I wanna play on PS5 can be played elsewhere. Teardown, Trepang2, Hi-Fi Rush, Robocop Rogue City. I think the only exclusive it may have is the Burning Shores DLC for HFW

@@Manicfuguestate It didn't run great on console either lol

NOOOOOOO

The snail feed him so we can feed the snail.. it's all a vicious cycle.. 🐌

I don't care, there's no reason for a PS5 Pro. I feel like it wouldn't financially make sense for neither the company or the consumer.

I feel like PS5 and Xbox Series were early to begin with. They could’ve released in 2022 and been fine

Compared to PS4, it's a few months late. PS5 is already 3 years old

They did care. For them there is zero benefit if the console is sitting in some scalper’s basement because they sell the hardware at an almost break even price. Their main revenue is customer buying games and paying for PS Plus. It is in Sony’s best interest to make sure that everyone can get their hands on their hardware because that’s when the real business starts. This isn’t anything like PC gamers buying GPUs This is why you see a new slim variant with a detachable disk drive. The modified the design so that manufacturing them can be simpler and also the end of chip shortage also helped them to get the production back on track.

​@PurushNahiMahaPurush Which is ironic since this Pro will be scalped to hell and back

As someone who only plays sport games yeah it is weird lmao

Those people are the true consumers.

@@codyjames52it just seems to me (as a Pc guy, so possibly biased) that a lot of the x360/ps3 era advantages of console are just disappearing which sucks

@@gigitrix Yeah no you're right, the PS5 and the Series end of consoles are just glorified PC's but without any of the advantages the PC has. You used to buy a console for stuff like exclusives, comfort, price, and a lot of games just not being available on PC or they had terrible ports. Nowadays the only thing consoles have going for is the comfort and ease of use, but even that won't be an advantage for them anymore once Valve rolls out SteamOS for the public.

more like deja vu shit cuz i swear i've seen this exact comment on other whimsu videos...

Yeah those UE5 were already making the new consoles need to upscale from 480p. I bet that was one of the reasons Sony thought "we might actually need a Pro".

@@SIPEROTH The GPU on the ps5 is still quite capable, the bigger issue is on the cpu side. Games that make the system struggle, you can make easier adjustments to make the game run fine on a console based on quality settings, this impacts mostly on the GPU performance. But CPU performance, you can't do the samething as the GPU. It is very limited and mid gen refreshes can't have a CPU upgrade because then it means we would have an entire new CPU, which means the pro is not really a pro, but more of an early ps6 if they had done that. This would also cause further conflicts with ps6 as it would delay it further in order to have a CPU upgrade that is affordable to mass produce and would be capable of running previous systems through emulation. Dragon's dogma is a CPU intensive game, and the current consoles are struggling massively to run that game. And there is very little the devs can do to fix the issue. Which is why you see the absurd npc spawn distance being set to extreme lows to help consoles run the game. Most games that are GPU intensive can be better adjusted to run with the hardware we have. PS4 pro had the same issue, it had a nice increase in graphical settings but it was still lacking due to CPU being weak. Same with xbox. Xbox is probably skipping a midgen pro refresh because they know it makes no sense, when the series S exists and generation refreshes are a thing of the past. Playstation and xbox should have 3 systems going forward and ignoring "generation leaps" as the main criteria to play future games. 1) Handheld system, mid tier price (max 400€), lowest performance of the 3 options in handheld with maybe the chance to turbo clock it for additional performance, making it almost mid tier. Have the possibility to use external addons to increase performance or flexibility (like a dock to make a handheld a desktop system). This system would release first, along with option 2. 2) Desktop system, low tier price(max 300€), low-mid tier performance of the 3 options. Cut down variant of option 3, offering accessible price to a console that offers the core experience to play games for the next 5-10 years at the cost of not running it on superb quality settings. This system would run on the same specs as the handheld, just a few extra cores to push for better GPU performance. 3) Desktop system, high tier price (max 600€), high tier performance. I would say this system should release 2-3 years after option 1 and 2 and uses new hardware to emulate the previous 2 systems. Acting as the refresh that offers the best quality settings for the next 5 years after its release. So the lifespan on hardware, lets say it is 10 years. We would have something like this: 2020 = option 1 + option 2 released, similar specs, similar performance. Base systems to run 10 years of games post release, so games from 2020-2030 should run on these, of course we can't expect top tier performance all the time, but as long as it is playable... 2022/2023 = option 3 released, new specs, emulates option 2 with the new specs and offers good performance for at least 5 years post release 2025 = option 1 and option 2 should be on their knees begging for help but they still gotta survive 5 additional years somehow. So let's say magic happens. In all honesty though, game studios are the ones to blame here, lack of optimization or sometimes going to extreme lengths to make a game look crispy clear but then everything else is lacking. 2028 = option 3 is showing signs of struggle 2030 = repeat process and release new hardware again following the same pattern. Option 3 here at this point should be near end of life or already over in terms of capabilities. A mid gen refresh with better specs that can emulate the recently released weaker systems is a more logical approach to have going forward. Since option 1 and option 2 would be using weaker APUs. Option 3 would have to be a beast of a system, acting similarly to a pro variant, but this pro variant would have everything upgraded, so it would offer additional frame rate improvements, on top of graphical quality and resolution improvements. The alternative way is to have 5 year refreshes using the same pattern but option 3 is stretched for 10 years. So option 1 and 2 from 2020 to 2025/26, option 3 from 2022/23 to 2032/33. Option 1 and 2 would return in 2026/27 and survive untill 2032. This would make things closer together. The stronger system would remain relevant for 10 years, the weaker ones would be relevant for 5 years. The 5 year refresh on weaker systems could eventually mean their performance would more or less catch up to the stronger system, so it could offer similar performance in the long run.

so u game once a year then

by that stardard i still play a Nintendo 3DS classic, every odd month or so.

My ps4 turns on everyday by itself at 3am like if it’s gonna update itself still lol

Ps3

Same. I skipped the ps4/Wii u gen and stayed on ps3 for a few years. I just got a ps5 a few weeks ago though but I'm still playing on ps3 from time to time. I even played Rayman Legends with my brother last weekend on ps3.

People are either too young to know or have forgotten how every single AAA studio was guaranteed to release some sort of genre or generation defining game virtually every year. EA, Ubisoft, 2k, rocksteady, Microsoft Games, Bethesda were all bonafide hit machines, the occasional dud was the rarity.

2008, bought my first 360. I did, Halo 3 -> Bioshock -> Alan Wake -> Dead Space. Incredible memories. The only game afaik that entice me to buy a ps5 is FF7 Rebirth. So, I wait.

More like 3 great games. Only like 6 games in the past five years were worth the prices

I doubt that. Considering it's mostly a GPU upgrade, price won't be increased significantly more.

@@eyeofterra oh so just the most expensive component to upgrade in a pc? Gotcha

You are gonna wait forever.

$600 max

​​@@eyeofterra everything is upgraded, the CPU is clocked higher but everything else is new. Also you do realize GPUs aren't cheap right ? This is obviously targeted to your hardcore audience, not the casuals like you.

Yeah

Yup that’s why I prefer art style over graphic

Have you seen 1943 rise of hydra or death stranding 2. Hell blade 2 is coming in a bit more than one month... come on now!

Nuh uh, graphics can improve. Gaming has gotten stagnant BECAUSE games aren't great. We can still have better frames, bigger games, and better graphics with these frames the better the system. They barely look different because most games are for the PS4 still...

@@SquidCena this The problems isnt graphics Graphic are actually the easiest part about making good games

Completely agree pc is infinitely better and i think ever console gamer should look into pc, the only issue is emulation. Emulation is still not there yet emulating ps3 is still very early in development, let alone any new gen. Games like read dead aren't on pc and sony still has their exclusives locked away. If sony actually starts releasing exclusives for pc then they'd never be a need to ever buy a new console

@@greyanime0idk, being able to play every game up to about PS2/Xbox/Dreamcast/Gamecube era is enough for a lot of people that are into emulating retro games

@@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS Everything Nintendo ever did is available in emulation too, since the switch is very weak hardware (mid-specs 2016 smartphone levels). PC also has tons and tons of exclusives, both officially and de facto (because they are only available on pc stores like steam gog, etc). Everything by Xbox is also available, including a discounted gamepass option, because Microsoft likes to port them to windows too. Sony also is releasing more and more exclusives, with a short time delay. Honestly, PC Gamer is the best option in every way.

I’m still on ps4 and rarely play on my pc. I play A LOT of ps vita atm. Modern gaming dont appeal to me that much.

Well they also have great creatives so you know💀💀

They don't think it's necessary. They just want more money.

⁠@@JimTheCuratorBut they sell their consoles at a loss. It’s literally less money. It’s not like they don’t have a “next-gen” console out there to play games on. My only other thought would be they’re worried people will think “Xbox is the most powerful console so I’ll buy GTA 6 there” (if it is, I don’t recall). But the series S is selling more, and most people are just buying for GamePass which is definitely not getting GTA 6. So I have no clue why they think they need it.

​@@mrshmuga9 The only thing I can really think of is that they've sunk too much money into this via R&D or something else and they feel as though they _have_ to release it at this point.

@@BenoHourglass #shareholders

​​@@mrshmuga9Not really they sell consoles at a profit, your info is out of date.

That sounds horrendous

Resolution is garbage and overrated in gaming. 4K is plenty of pixels. Complete waste of resources to keep pushing pixels on the screen.

PS5 does not run games at 8K lmao

Sony lied to you.

They cant even do proper 4k 💀

RUNNING AT 8K ONLY ON PLAYSTATION 5 *native resolution is upscaled 1080p* *30 fps framerate poverty, half of the framerate cheap screens are capable of producing* *framerate drops*

This is correct. It was advertised as an 8K console on the box, despite the PS5 being unable to output 8K video. One could say this is false advertising.

Same. I'm tempted to get the Pro, but it's so scummy that R* is again purposefully withholding a PC port to get you to double dip later.

@@President_MarioElaborate

@@AJayZyHe’s saying that he thinks rockstar’s strategy is to make people buy the console release and then when the pc release comes out people will all buy that because it’s better hence the double dip

@@U9DATE I kinda read it that way as well but I’m confused as to how it has anything to do with getting the Pro?

@@AJayZyit means that not only will rockstar use that strategy, you will end up with a console you paid a lot of money for to play th game you want to play, only for it to get a better PC port that people flock to.

I mean, I'll probably eventually get it since having a system with better specification never hurts.

@@eyeofterra A PC always has the better specifications available though.

Bro it sold 3 million copies, how would that make them shiver and quake, the meta quest 2 sold over 20 million units.

@@oo--7714the demand for handhelds is still there. Switch made a good start which inspired many to hop on the handheld market as gaming on the go is growing strong. It makes a lot of sense for Sony now working on a handheld to run PS4 and PS5 games natively instead of through remote play. Only thing left is for Sony to NOT use those proprietary memory cards again that they did with Vita and just allow SD cards that both the Switch and Steamdeck are using

@@oo--7714 As I said, Microsoft is making a hand-held which is Sony's direct competitor. You should read the whole comment before responding.

@@dandrelowery3714 Power has never won a console race, and we're at the point that handhelds are approaching PS4 Pro level graphics (I personally think realistic simulation graphics plateaued at the PS4). So I think handheld consoles will just be default in the future, because if you actually wanted blisteringly realistic graphics you'd make a $2000 PC.

@@dandrelowery3714The switch didn’t sell because it’s also a handheld it sold because Nintendo games are good.

The CPU isn't the problem, It's already as good as it is for an Embedded Device, It's how the Memory is used from the CPU to other parts of the system for an operation, and that varies from developers to developers, that's why games on higher end PCs (probably like 5% of the market) run better cause they have that headroom which ultimately bottlenecks like literally everyone else

@@ireallydontknowifiamhonest bro phones have faster cpus atm, well only the a17 pro but still, my rog ally has a better cpu. They could have definitely put something more modern in it. The cpu was ok 4 years ago. Now not so much.

​@@oo--7714 for the A17 you are just forgetting how efficient the ARM architecture is in comparison to x86, also for the ROG Ally, despite it having a newer APU it can't actually hit the performance the PS5 targets mainly cause the Z1 Extreme can't hit the same TDP as the PS5 due to being underclocked to not overheat and have a decent battery life and also cause the PS5 is quite efficient with it's kernel and the ROG Ally out of the box is just running Windows. A Newer CPU/APU doesn't always result in better performance, you also gotta know how to use it's full potential

It's actually more GPU limited in most games. Look at how low the resolution gets in some games.

@@ireallydontknowifiamhonest the apu is way weaker than a ps5. It has 4tflops, close to the series s. The performance of the series s s better in most titles but not all, Palworld, immortals of aveum, brothers tales of two sons remake all run better on the ally.

Based

just emulate at that point

@@DANTE_PlZZA the original experience is usually better than emulation as you're playing the exact way it was always intended, no HD is kind of a downside though

If I was trapped on a desolat island that somehow had a source of electricity, and I had my 500 favourite ps2 games and the console, I would be happy with the legendary ps2 untill I die. The ps2 is the KING of consoles. Todays consoles feel awfully semi-PC like, and that defeats the purpose of what makes a classic console. The ps3 is the HD peak, everything since is just pushing the thresholds of standards already posted by ps3❤

@srdjanstevanovic4245 W take. Consoles really lost their personality this generation. Xbox's whole gimmick is being a PC-like console, just more affordable and accessible, and that's fine as their thing, but PlayStation now too? The last generation we had with all of the big three on the top of their game was the seventh which ended 12 years ago.

it will be able to make every game look better but ok

*running stable 60fps

I’m starting to get to the point where I’m heavily considering saying fuck console gaming and make the transition to fully going pc

tbh I think the series s was a savior. Brought game developers down to Earth when requirements are ballooning despite games getting simpler.

@@MrLeerolljankins you won't regret it, i can assure you that.

Series S doesn't hold back games my bro, if anything it's the only thing this entire gen (outside of the Switch) that forces developers to actually optimize the games, and this is a net win for everyone. Devs should be optimizing the way they are doing for the S on EVERY console, of course there is so much ridiculous processing overhead already that there is pretty much no need to do that. Imagine if machines were taken to the limit the way Xbox360 and PS3 were... the PS5 and Series X could last over a decade before they get maxed out if games were actually buing built with optimiziation in mind. We haven't even reached anything close to the wall with the Series S coming up on 4(!) years into this gen.

Watch GTA6 be a unfinished dumpster fire. That's when the draft begins.

​@@trippybruh1592You are insane if you think rockstar is gonna release the game unfinished lol

An old maxim I heard years ago was "Rockstar could crap in a box and it'd fly off the shelves". Crazy how the more things change the more they stay the same.

@@trippybruh1592the draft?

@@user-hq6kn5vp2q Wishful thinking lol

No need to sweat

Because Marketing lies and people are dumb and dont do research.

a lot of games have poor performance modes that would potentially get better with the pro

dont know if u missed it but the vast majority of games have 60fps performance modes now. ps5 pro will just make them look and run better. there is no every game must be 60fps on ps5 pro rule

Which is good tbh i think the ps5 pro could both raise the floor and ceiling with perfomance which could help raise the standard of optimisation for the current ps5

it cant be maxed the PS5 is weak its a gloriffied PS4 PRo with RTX they made us finance the PS5 PRo and buy it ... GG in marketing SONY

Wasn't their last cross gen game HFW? Everything else has been current gen only as far as 1st party games go. If anything you should be mad at companies like Fromsoft, Atlus, Sega, Activision, Bandai, and Ubisoft for continuing to support last gen.

Sony is not gonna miss you mate

I'm shocked that the consoles haven't been relegated to streaming apps that are natively embedded into the "OS" that runs your TV

​@@spartaninvirginia Believe me, they tried. The tech is just not there yet.

Our last resource is Switch 2, but even i'm doubting it will save this gen in anyway

TFW nintendo's release schedule accelerated into being a gen higher than the other 2 on paper

Xbox won’t die any time soon, its MS only division that has a major stake in an insanely profitable industry. Hell a good amount of the reason MS bought ABK was because they didn’t want any other company to shoehorn its way into the industry through it.

No actually there is a reason that console makers now decided to have two models of power. The maker of this video doesn't realize it ether. The whole purpose is to hold developers in check. By having a based system and a stronger one you force the developer to make a game that can be played on the lower system with the result of the more powerful system being able to get better frame rates and resolution. The developer has to put an upper limit on how detailed and heavy the graphics can be based on the weaker system so the extra power of the stronger system is utilized on fps and resolution and only minor extra graphical details.

Ye it is a bit of extra work for devs. But it's easier to scale up than scale down , like for the series S for example.

@@SIPEROTH This doesn't make any sense, sorry. The detailed and heavy graphics is *exactly* what entices normal majority gamer consumers to buy consoles and AAA games. To hold that back is to hurt the most visible and powerfull reason to buy newer games, hurting the profits. The consoles themselves are already the mechanism that holds developers in check, buy giving them a computer that will have a set of fixed specs for the next 8 years to develop and optimize for. They should then maximize all they can do within the boundaries of this computer. If most people prefer 4K@60fps over 2K@120fps, so be it. Having a weaker console means the development will be maximized by it instead. So the Xbox Series X S will never develop beyond the Series S.

Get ready for a deluge of comments saying "the human eye can't see past x fps!" "30fps is fine!" and my personal favorite, "24fps is cinematic!"

I came into this hobby as a normie not caring about 30 fps, and I'm still a normie but care only a little more

@@curbyour____9506 PC games have been running at 60 FPS for over a DECADE. PC games have been running at 120 FPS for the last 5 years! There is no excuse anymore for a ps5 game to not be running at 60 FPS.

@@DammitBobby Isn't PS5 basically a $400 PC though

@@curbyour____9506 technically it runs better then a PC you could build for the same price. There is nothing about the specs of the ps5 that prevents developers from making sure their games run at 60 FPS. The only reason they don't is because they choose to prioritize graphical fidelity that can only run at 30 FPS strictly for the sake of marketing

Except the PS5 can't even play most PS3 games...

@@spiral7399 i did consider signing up to ps plus for ps2 games as i did not have ps2 either 🤨

When you say that, you have to realize that the majority of people that buy games don't buy *good* games and they also don't do research if a game performs well or not. Case in point, modern 2K and modern CoD games, both of which release unoptimized and broken consistently outsell their predecessors. So yes, gamers go "oohh shiny" when they see bigger numbers like "8K console" because it's the easiest thing to market to. You can't make that argument for sitting at a PC desk when a lot of people have their PS5's hooked up to a desk anyways, and PC gaming is easier on a couch than ever

@GoodlyPenguin my man, did you not see where I wrote "thats where all my friends are"? My other reason is I don't wanna be at a desk, I have a pc hooked up to my TV and a steam deck as well. I understand how that shit works, but I prefer the streaming and ui of ps5, and I'd rather play with my friends on ps5. I personally don't understand the madden and cod community, but those games aren't meant for me. And ps5 obviously isn't meant for you. I hate that we all diss on each other for liking something that the other doesn't. I personally don't like gaming on PC, I play some games with some friends but my main group is on ps5 and that's why I stay in the end

Most won't buy the new/"bigger numbers" version(the consoles with the bigger numbers have never won a console generation race). 99% of the game/console buying public doesn't know nor care what the numbers are. They'll buy the best value version, because they always buy the cheapest/base version. Pro versions don't sell in really big numbers (unless you count the Gameboy color as a pro version or not), always just a minor slice of a consoles sales. it's just something for the hardcores/ the fanboys/the enthusiasts, not the general consumer. The people who feel they need to have the best version of something.

@thebamb00zler6 You're right about the PS5 not being for me despite me owning since the first 6 months of release. I only played Fortnite on it once I realized there weren't many good Japanese exclusive games on it. I had a great time playing FF XIV on PS5 since it plays beautifully on the console, but it's not worth carrying the thing with me during travems. Nowadays I just play on my Switch and Guilty Gear Strive, Battlefield 4 and MW 2019 on PC since those have free online and are much supported to this day. I grew up with Playstation since the PS1, but I can't justify a reason for purchasing my PS5. I appreciate that you play with your friends on the console, and I admit it that it's just not the experience I want. The UI sucks imo, the way the base PS5 SSD space is barely over 800gb post day 1 firmware update, and little support for good exclusives kills me as a PS fan. I hope you enjoy the console further down the line, friend.

@GoodlyPenguin we all have our reasons for what we play on. I agree, the hardware on the ps5 is lacking, and not having ssd availability day one pissed me off because I bought a good one without researching first like a dumb ass, just for it to error out and crash. I'm happy we were able to immediately solve this little disagreement 🤣.

Same here dude. I spend more time on my PC generating weird art while watching KZfaq then gaming. I buy the bullet last week and bought a modded OG Xbox with EVERYTHING on it from Xbox, PS2, N64, etc. I miss games like Mech Assault and that Punisher game was super badass when I was a kid.

60fps or bust.

yeah this is an insane take to have in current year bro.

​@@spartaninvirginia got bad news for you...

​@spartaninvirginia im busting 😫💦

@@rewpertcone8243 60 is the minimum. If the next console can't run games at 60fps, it's not worth buying.