At least

Aierek Joey jordison

@Aierek ya, same with bass players. If our technique isn't healthy, we could end up with physical trauma and bone fusions due to bad technique. Look it up, it can be gruesome.

Musicians are athletes.

@@mysteriousmemethief it ain’t no joke yo, I remember my first year with upright bass...when I sat back pain!!!!

Lol true😂😂

This was a drum solo about spiderman.

funniest remark of the day :D

I want Spiderman and you give me......Buddy Rich?

Hope they're not fake

@Bilal Khalid There are entire symphonies where it's one guy's job to hit a triangle a single time. One job.

I played Bari saxophone in Big Band. I have this feeling all the time 😂

toptrump14 please tell me u counted that

for a cymbal player in an orchestra, yeah

the movie is that he didn't get the music, so this drum solo was out of nowhere

Yes

Yeah... that moment is almost unperceptible... but it's very strong...Like he's finally approving him... right at that point. Like saying with his eyes: "Yeah yeah yeah... that's what I wanted!!!"

THAT NOD HELL YEAH

Tears fill up my eyes every time for some reason at that part.

I could be wrong, but I gotta feeling that scene was completely improvised, like when JK Simmons slapped Miles Teller, that was improvised, & if I am right about this, that just makes the movie even better.

Never accept approval from an abuser,

@@TheTwentySevenClub welcome to the music program.

Should have lodged that stick in his trachea.

@@TheTwentySevenClub it wasnt about fletcher approval. In the end Neiman's performance was to prove something to himself more so than proving it to anyone else. The ending isnt really happy but it is satisfying and almost feels like a great redemption story

Mr. Bump 2.0 he says ‘good job’. I’m sure he does

Not really tho, as somewhat of a musician this movie wasn't inspiring to me, it distrubed me more than anything.

@@metalmugen I wasnt asking you

@@themuchdingdong Well don't fucking comment if you can't handle replies then, especially when you can just ignore them.

@@metalmugen "Somewhat of a musician" would likely not have been exposed to some of the harshest sides of the community. My talent was barely middling, but even before I was 15 I was exposed to this side of the art, and it is as disturbing as it is grounded in reality.

@@themuchdingdong LOL FUCKING SAVAGE

Fletcher won at end of the day, he got what he always wanted... His own genius student.

Nah, that's pride on a different level. That's when you know your son is destined for greatness, that he's gonna bring honour to YOUR name.

I think the dad was more amazed at what his son was doing

@@guerin545 No. His dad, at that very moment, had just realized that he had lost his son to music. Andrew was never really the same after being taught by fletcher and it wasn’t until this Drum solo that Andrews father realized that he lost his son to fletcher and music.

@@jacobaparicio1812 Thats your interpretation but i disagree. The whole time his father saw him fail time and time again, this time he didnt. And saying he lost his son to music is strange, his son found his purpose in life, thats a great thing

BM if you look closely you can see that fletcher says good job to him. The two words that fletcher said were the most dangerous words in the English language.

Love that shot

​@@joefayant6143 wait... he says good job?

@@TheOnlyBlancy Yes, it's what makes the camera work that much more great in this movie, and I didn't even realize it until a second watch. You can see him smile but you can also see his cheeks moving like he is mouthing something and the way Andrew smiles after that makes that much more sense. He finally got his "good job".

@@xtiggyx just rewatched the clip. thats CLEVER!!

Best fucking comment in the history of KZfaq

Yeah! And best fucking aswer in the history of youtube to the best fucking comment in the history of youtube. Congratulation !

+Enchanteur33 - Duel Of Champions FR Yeah! And best fucking reply to a KZfaq comment in the history of KZfaq!

This is by far the greatest KZfaq comment I've ever seen

***** Depends on what you're into

Incredibly said. Kudos to you my friend. 👏🏼

For me obsession is not the right word, but commitment. Andrew never really understood what it took to be one of the greats. He thought he knew and was prepared but crashed and burned. It wasn't until he was willing to give up everything else that he realized that the one thing holding him back was that relentless commitment to greatness. The verbal abuse, the leaving of his girlfriend the trading of everything else were all required for greatness and it was not until that moment they he fully gave himself over to what was necessary for that greatness. He must forsake all others for his drumming. Obsession is an uncontrollable compulsion. He needed to make the mental choice which is why I like the word commitment instead.

Interesting response and analysis. I guess I was not precise in using the word obsession. I meant more along the lines of a consuming passion that pushed Andrew to give up everything for. I do like the word commitment, and I think it fits nicely. In his lust for greatness, it does push Andrew to be fully committed to his passion. The definition of commitment is to restrict personal freedom for something, and in this case, Andrew restricts everything else in his life in order to pursue becoming one of the greats. Thanks for the response!

Dang y’all are what I wish all KZfaq comment sections were😂

K.

I don't think thats it, his face reflects fear and immense guilt and sadness cause he just lot his son,cause Neiman is gonna die in his 30s due to drug overdose and his father doesn't predict that but remember that dinner scene and andrew reached his goal, he became the absolute best of the best bu with a cost ie his life

Yeah, his dad is a f*cking loser in this movie

Hahahaha at last someone hits the nail - like what type of dad wouldn’t be stoked on his son becoming a living legend???

I can only assume you guys aren't dads. The hug he gave at the door was compassion and he wanted to bring his son home. The reality is that he didn't really know his son or the obsession or the talent, but he loves him all the same. The look in his dad's face at the door was a look of complete awe and realisation at what his son had become, and the strength of character and determination it took to go back out there.

@@mikeflannery7905 yeah i dont need to be a dad to know how cool that would be.. it be your kid being the next marty friedman.

SneakingMOUSE It kinda feels weird to me. To see a usually toxic man smile at you.

this is by far the saddest part of the movie. The look on his fathers face that he truly has lost his son forever. The director even said that after this movie he always pictured the kid as killing himself falling down a hole of heroin and suicide and music.

SneakingMOUSE Speaking of his face, why did he wipe it at one point?

Colin Campbell It was one of those "Okay, get ready. Here we go." wipes. He also may have been drooling a little from the dessert Andrew was "whipping" up. 😋😁

@@prodigalbrock It's only sad to people who do not understand what it means to achieve greatness. Happiness and sadness are completely irrelevant. Greatness is realized in this scene, and with it, respect.

4 o' clock Time for my Daily dose of semi truck

+Ian Asibey The whole place was sweating , the sweating was sweating

Even the devil had to dry himself off a bit

dam right you'll need a dam to hold all the sweat back

Ian Asibey 😂

totally, and he realises that he doesn't understand his son at all. Paul Reiser was really good in this as well.

In the movie script it says that andrew is a machine and that andrew’s dad lost him.

Kasino80 you know what's funny about paul reiser? the entire season 2 of Stranger Things i never trusted his character purely because of Burke in Aliens lol

@@weston407 me neither :)

Freak n da sheets

For me the fact he says "What are you doing man" like hes talking to his buddy is what did it for me

That’s when he started viewing Andrew as an equal. He called him Andrew, not Neiman.

More like he realized that his son was truly a monster and that he can't be stopped. Fletcher changed him permanently.

Why not both?

I think it's definitely both - more like the realization that sometimes true excellence takes insane amounts of sacrifice, sometimes even sacrificing yourself - and that his son had made his choice long ago. disappointment, pride, sorrow, and realization, all in a look.

One of my favorite scenes in cinema. His father realizing that his son is more than just a "drummer".

It really looks like the father seems horrified. That was an expression of awe and horror at the same time. He probably doesn't even recognize his son.

the bone solo was tight

no need

If they wanted it they should have taken it like he did

The solo is part of the song. Have none of you actually heard Caravan before? I didn’t really understand when Fletcher didn’t know what was going on. Every Caravan has the drum solo

When I play drums and I have to do a solo, I get so nervous and stuff up so how do I improve

leonthesleepy beg to differ. Pop finally understands why drumming is important to his son. I saw a dropped jaw!

@@robertwhitcomb6105 haha u could inteprete it that way too!! Thats why i love this film so much. So many different ways to see the ending :)

What if they're both

I dont get the worried father bit . Remember the dinner table scene when the other 2 are bragging how great they are and Andrews just a drummer . It's in his father's face when he realises for the first time that his son has more talent in his little finger than the other 2 put together

@@michaelmarshall9132 no xd, neiman killshimself later, that's why his father is so worried about; Whisplash is'nt a film of a personal triumph like Rocky. it's a tragedy.

+Clint Flicker there is no need to be so rude, dude

Harrison somebody should give the OP some truth or else he'd never realize he dedicated his life to absolutely nothing

Clint Flicker I get that you're a troll, but there ain't nothing wrong with pursuing passion, even if it doesn't work out.

Harrison It's easy to label someone as troll if they don't agree with your happy, bubblegum, rainbows and peaches view of the world. Sad. And you're right, there's absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing passion even if it doesn't work out, except that these creative types add nothing to the zeitgeist, add nothing to the economy, add nothing to society, add nothing to artistic merit, and will die without anyone even caring. But besides that, nothing's wrong.

Clint Flicker and many people go more practical routes that they aren't as interested in and don't find success either- I think its great to encourage people to pursue great things no matter how practical or useful to the economy they might be.

If you think there isn't humanity in greatness then you are too low to see it. The passion for the exalted is one of the most human things there is.

I love how complicated the ending is, in terms of wins, losses, right and wrong. I think it's a movie about sacrifice, at it's core. Sacrifice of yourself, and, in the case of the mentor, sacrifice of his students.

About time someone found the true meaning of the end insted of it being about sunshine and rainbows

You just ripped this off of an actual critic's review...

Phyrric? no, Neiman hopefully considers it worthwhile. Damn taxing, that's for sure.

Fletcher was the father figure

I feel like you guys are right on

What if WE are the audience . . .

Yeah, you are right... but the beauty of this move is that it gets it, spot-on if you consider real life... Real-life is not a Hollywood movie... To put an example... Michael Jackson and their brothers were abused by their greedy father...It was awful... but...Who knows if there has being a Michael Jackson if not were for his father...Makes you think...

^english teachers

He agreed, he realised...

Such evil...

FrizFroz well none of that happens when you play drums so not really

stanfoo obviously you have never played drums then

@@stanfoo1175 This guy drums to White Stripes songs

Alex Mercer i march tenor, and play drumset in my spare time. I have also seen drumset players and DCI set players play faster and harder than this and they have never started bleeding. Thats absurd

stanfoo it’s actually not. Though bleeding isn’t a every time thing, but t happens. I’ve played drums for over 13 years and can say I’ve bled on my set a handful of times caused by accidentally cracking my knuckles/fingers on the rim of the snare busting my skin open. Also, blisters tearing or a cracked stick catches you. Even a cracked cymbal can snag you during a choke. It’s not an every time thing but it definitely happens

sellisti I always think that he finally said “good job “

The director of the film and the actors have stated, it is NOT a happy ending.

@@ricarleite not a happy one, in that the bad guy essentially wins, but a successful one. It begs us to ask the question, is happiness required for success?

It's not even about happiness. It's about getting a chair thrown at your head, it's about saying fuck you. You can be a little bitch and expect life to hand you your wins, or like neiman did, turn around from having his future prospects and passion in life absolutely destroyed and say nah man not today, fuck you.

It also paved the path of self destruction to leave a legacy behind. Both the actor who played Nieman and the director have said that they see Andrew dying in his mid 30s being the 'best there ever was'. If it was any other way, it wouldn't of been enough for Andrew. In the time he didn't play the drums, he was living the life he feared of living. A boring life of; go to work, go home, sleep, repeat. Behind the kit is where Andrew truly shines and is alive. Sort of the same how Walter White of breaking bad was 'alive' when being Heisenberg. It's a sacrifice in becoming the best, and leaving behind a legacy for people to speak on forever. It's interesting to think that in order to be the absolute best of anything, there is definite self destruction involved. Think of the greats of everything that ever was. Most of them lived sad, fast, lonely lives.

A great teacher

Plus ultra!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

rip unknown pianist cancer sucks.

hardest quote I've ever read. RIP.

Very sad. RIP to them.

Quote goes hard. RIP

lucasdelaguila1202 and that is sad how?

Jesus fucking christ, aren't you a ray of sunshine?

It's only a sad ending from your perspective. Andrew said himself he would rather be a legend and burn out than live comfortably and be a nobody. "Andrew will live a pretty short and lonely life and die young because of drugs and alcohol", that is exactly what Andrew wanted. To him it is his dream.

I wouldn't call it sad, but this guy gets it.

Elvis died on the shitter but didn’t give a crap, he is the king of pop, nobody can forget him.

+Michaelbak you may want to get that checked by a doctor

Same! Such intense moments in this movie

naah, if ur musician you'll get, whats actually going on.

GHX man Stfu

*scene

very underrated comment. nail on the head, the fucker just about transcended time and space!

Nice

exactly

Me Harper good way to put it. Been busy, hurt, tired, and sweaty many times in the military but you’re so occupied you forget all that pain and exhaustion and just keep doing your job.

I played the alto sax for like two years now and many times have bled from my mouth to the tips of fingers just to get a good sound

how does the bleeding happen? like chafing from the sticks or getting cut on the cymbals?

Dusty your skin can’t take it it’s almost like extremely fast bruising but it just tears off your skin

I play sousaphone and I have honestly been through so much pain, but I got used to it in about 2 or 3 months

+Kine Phile I agree Mr. Chigurh.

John Lennon such a legendary album tbh. led zep 2 was my second favorite of theirs

Led Zeppelin II is badass, indeed!

haha

What a good reference

PHARAOH WANKA Gotta love Travis Barker, huh

Oscar Sovngarde Travis Barker? The OC was referencing Ringo Starr.

Sam Bell My god, no one speaks sarcasm anymore

People that identify as an APACHE: This nigga spittin'

I don’t even think that’s really product placement maybe it is but it just shows how hard he’s playing

Lmao what?? Edit: Just don’t get how that’s the “greatest” product placement of all time. Like what? You think Istanbul all of a sudden started selling way more cymbals after this film?

Product placement can give the world realism when it is done right.

@@jeffw8218 i mean its not like people bought a bunch of jeep rubicons because of Lara Crift, product placement is more about prestige i suppose.

Shite ending to an even worse film than Gladiator.

RelativeBadger then why are you hear? You act like you're this amazing critic by talking trash about this movie.

(*here) Thank you for giving me this accolade. I came to comment on what a predictable and futile film this is. The 'Wizard of Oz' illustrates far better acting, and some of that was script-read.

RelativeBadger basically you have nothing better to do? You look for a movie clip from a movie you don’t even like, just to comment on how bad it was? That’s pretty sad man, I didn’t like Suicide Squad but I’m not over there commenting “ah trash movie never again, so predictable”

Isaac Nevarez Everyone has a right to an opinion dumbass. You are one of those people who say "if you don't like the video why did you click on it"? Well yeah he clicked on it to say he didn't like the movie, even though he is probably trolling But your argument is FALSE

00:36 When he says - *I'll #U## U *

Terrible film - completely over-acted and as predictable as Scooby-Doo

Night Rider dr

RelativeBadger uhm whats your favorite movie?

'I'm Dancing Inside' or 'Blow' - It depends on my mood, I guess - but this is highly over-acted, and simply not realistic at all. It is a desperate attempt that easily fails due to its predictability and soft script.

But rushing or dragging ? ^^

are you upset?

who the hell are you?

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@Spartan : I understand the context of this scene, and because of that, I cannot share your joyful sentiments. This is like watching the movie "Crossroads", only in this version, the good guy joyfully betrays both himself and Blind Dog by making a deal of his own with Old Scratch at the Crossroads for greatness, and then proceeds to conclude the movie by sharing an epic, face-melting guitar solo with Jack Butler while gladly accepting the fate of burning in Hell. That's pretty much what this scene is. Its psychological equivalent, at any rate. Only its drums instead of guitars and it's Fletcher instead of the devil.

Same

So... Ya like jazz? I'm sorry, I couldn't control myself.

This was the solo that got me to jizz

Why cant i do that

More like how incredibly lost he was to his craft.

Uhhhh… the dad was concerned for his son. The worry in his face. To contrast with the pride from JK Simmons..

I see it as more his dad's thinking "My god what has he become?"

Lmao pretentious as fuck. Only people think this about music. Not sports, not anything other than forms of art. 😂😂

I agree - it was a look of awe

Jadon garcia Followed by Curb Your Enthusiasm theme

Not like he didn’t deserve it

*NOT MY FUCKING TEMPO*

Mr. Snarky RUSSIAN OR DRAGON?!!!

Partly because he's such a wild and unpredictable character, but also look at the fucking intensity in his face. Shit, that bastard could be paying me the nicest compliments and I'd still be putting my guard up in case he started throwing punches...

PhantomKitten That's what I'm thinking

The theme is simple, to be a genius, you need to be crazy, and only then will you achieve greatness

Mine was That thing you do kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLGCmNqf25rWnqs.html

+hatihatikawan wow you just use grammar bad... congrats then?

***** lol what

+hatihatikawan Just appreciating good filmmaking fam.

+Mikey Lewis well in my opinion(we all get one) he didnt have a change of heart, he still screwed him over and would again, but he loves music, good music, good talent, he wouldnt give a shit if Neiman died, but he gives a shit about Neimans outstanding performance. I dont believe Fletcher changed, but his love of good music trumps all else..... scene gives me chills every single time

+Tom Morse that's the beauty of open interpretations in movies.There isn't for the most part a correct view.Thats another interesting viewpoint for this scene.Very much possible.

I’m pretty sure he just improvised it,

@@werewolfhide19 👁👄👁

There's a video of a guy who recreated this

Rammy MOAR COWBELL

Hahah nice profile pic

Rammy sigh... the solo was almost perfect...

A cowbell and double kick would be this even better

Not impressed either

calm down

NoirDesir8 oh shit you're a critic

worse, probably a rotten tomatoes critic.

Dreadful film - predictable and very badly-acted

Nope. Best movie of all time is: 'Eşkiya "The Bandit" (1996)' ;)

Totally agree. I was starting to think no drummers were making comments on this video.

I love me some jazz drumming so I gotta disagree. This was pure art.

I disagree as well this was gorgeous

True that.

@@pellejobatera exactly! No teacher is going to "guide" you through a drum solo. Plus, this is like a John Bonham solo in a jazz setting. This doesn't happen.

HAHAHAHA

He made it better

Well Fletcher told him they were playing Whiplash when they were playing something else basically embarrassing him in front of everyone. This is just fair play.

Well, that's why he acted like he was directing him, because he had to save face and not let the audience know that the extra bit at the end wasn't planned.

Andrew counter-sabotaged Fletcher’s attempt at sabotaging his performance.

+cooljunkproductions Terrible for Valentine's Day. Guy has to ditch the girl in order to achieve greatness.

Guy has to throw chair at girl during intercourse because according to him, "Not quite my tempo".

Guy literally almost kills himself jesus fucking christ

Laughed hard when I read this oh and loud.

cooljunkproductions No

Agreed- the most powerful shot in the sequence....

Completely agree. It's an amazing reaction shot and the scene would definitely be lesser without it.

SusanoRipper xD

+Gregory Zala I would disagree with that interpretation, I think not being a musician he didn't really understand his son's talent, much like at the dinner table scene his family didn't get what a big deal his achievements were. The look to me represents his epiphany. OH SHIT! My son is great!

+Gregory Zala I find more saddening the fact that Andrew does not enjoy playing anymore. Look at 1:20; Fletcher's ruthlessness and Andrew's own stubborness turned him into a machine. He does not even hear his own music anymore. He is perfect, but he is unable to enjoy what he does unless Fletcher approves of it. I see that exchange of smiles at the end like "Was that good, Mr. Fletcher" and "Oh my god, I have Buddy Rich of my own creation. Yes you did good."

+Andrea Ortega nice interpretation, didn't thought of it that way

+Gregory Zala It feels like he's put aside his emotions to achieve greatness at his craft, just like the above fella said, a little bit like one of the main themes of Full Metal Jacket, funnily enough.

I think people miss that about this movie. There is an overarching theme that "nobody listens to jazz anymore" and "no one understands what we're doing" but they are pursuing this ideal of perfection and killing themselves and each other to achieve it. So when they both get to this breakthrough scene, his father is unsettled by it because it doesn't connect with him. It's not a happy face he makes. And the big kicker, there is no applause at the end. The song ends and the movie ends. Done. It isn't about the audience, it isn't about creating art for an audience, it's completely about personal achievement for both of them which (in my mind) misses the point of making art in the first place. I compare the ending to Napoleon Dynamite which is opposite in every way - Napoleon's weird dancing is finally a way for him to connect to people and communicate his true self, completely gawky and weird but somehow beautiful as well, and of course he gets a standing ovation. Meanwhile, Andrew's own father watches him through a crack in the door making a solemn face. Andrew is finally cut off from even his own father by his obsession with drumming.

Chris Kindler glory mu

GGMU

Nah man, he is distinguishing himself. Remember Fletcher said that industry musicians, band directors etc. would be there? The man was pulling away to gain his own place in the musical world.

Lucky Rocket nah its like "we gonna get some hoes we gon fuck tonight" lmaooooo

Abdullah Hindi scene****

I play bass and alto for jazz and trust me it’s definitely one of the hardest jazz pieces that a band could whip out for most instruments, it’s crazy I’m glad you got it down tho

Lol 😂