White Pigeons are Complicated

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Adam Archer Pigeons

Adam Archer Pigeons

3 жыл бұрын

Today we take a look at our breeding pigeons, but first I talk about the complexity of the "white" pigeon colour.
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@NandeeshChilgod
@NandeeshChilgod 3 жыл бұрын
Well... that painter's analogy is simply superb
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it made sense!
@NandeeshChilgod
@NandeeshChilgod 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons yes,it couldn't be simpler than that
@abcloft302
@abcloft302 3 жыл бұрын
Love it
@alial-madhoush9212
@alial-madhoush9212 2 жыл бұрын
How can I produce a white bird with a black beak..Do I take it from the recessive white or from the dominant white
@NormKerr
@NormKerr 2 ай бұрын
I got a 100 % in a genetics test in college 38 years ago and have not used that info for about 28 years but I followed you. found it a great video and bet youdo well in the races cheers thanks for posting
@leonardhoehne6226
@leonardhoehne6226 3 жыл бұрын
It makes perfect sense . I was wondering about the white Gene ! Thanks for this video it helps me out with learning more about the Genenetcs .
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ScpDrRisha
@ScpDrRisha 2 жыл бұрын
In Spike Island I once saw a white pigeon in the middle of wood pigeons! I thought it was a dove until I found out it is a white version of the pigeon!
@redwithblue_dex
@redwithblue_dex 2 жыл бұрын
They are so cute and fluffy 😍
@sunshinecoasttrailcam
@sunshinecoasttrailcam 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Adam. Im slowly begining to learn that I HAVE NO HOPE WITHOUT YOU in terms of understanding how to get my colors!
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
😅 I'm happy to help
@sunshinecoasttrailcam
@sunshinecoasttrailcam 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons pretty happy my blacks and barless are working...because i dont see a path to white or almond here. Except after four steps, four generations. I could see that perhaps. Just curious if you check or know Wynan Wolmaran? Did I get the name right?
@sunshinecoasttrailcam
@sunshinecoasttrailcam 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons it would be better if i paid you.. Im so slow at this patreon thing. I apologize. I will be hauntung you for info if i do that thou...
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know who that is, sorry.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
I don't mind answering questions in the comments here. I only made the Patreon because every day I have people I don't know trying to contact me directly and privately, and that gets to be too much, so the Patreon is an option for these people.
@Bennyboy31
@Bennyboy31 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a good lesson for the night. Cheers Adam. I own 3 pure white youngsters myself.
@amyesworldcatherinesminime7945
@amyesworldcatherinesminime7945 3 жыл бұрын
Great. That explanation is really clear. It's consolidated all the little snippets I've picked up about "white" in various species over the years. More genetics videos please! lol man savaged by protective pigeon ;-)
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad :)
@miroslavpenchev5603
@miroslavpenchev5603 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! The red baby is really beautiful! Don't worry it is probably a cockbird, because it is a bit too light for pure ashred. Good luck and a lot of success!
@Mark-ew5jm
@Mark-ew5jm 2 жыл бұрын
My goodness……..if only I had half of your knowledge when I kept pigeons in my youth. Very informative Adam.
@timmcgrath3995
@timmcgrath3995 3 жыл бұрын
We have a white pigeon living on top of the frame of an outdoor blind on the western side of our house in Eastern suburban Melbourne. Has been there for over a year.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
They get attached to a spot and don't like to leave 🙂
@princemichmich5350
@princemichmich5350 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update Adam
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
No worries
@nicokern7615
@nicokern7615 3 жыл бұрын
I own a few young recessive white racing pigeons that I want to use to foster a few of my baby Strassers next year. Although I really love my Strassers (recessive yellow, ash red bars and ash red checkers), these white ones look sooooooo great
@Ghazalfordesertflower
@Ghazalfordesertflower Жыл бұрын
So cute and lovely pigeons.
@lathamlofts5092
@lathamlofts5092 3 жыл бұрын
Some great information I have 2 white pigeons in my loft I think there great
@dominickguardino9064
@dominickguardino9064 3 жыл бұрын
Great job explaining that. I love your videos because iam very interested in pigeon genetics.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad they're helpful!
@eoghanpic
@eoghanpic 3 жыл бұрын
Oh I thought i was seeing a albino pigeon.Great vid👍
@silvsiri3478
@silvsiri3478 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@chadgriffin1244
@chadgriffin1244 5 ай бұрын
I have been breeding roller pigeon grizzles to white. How does the eye change from orange to yellow in some generations.
@zulfiqarsanjrani167
@zulfiqarsanjrani167 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam 👋 gonna tell u that I've many pigeons at my home. They are living in for ages. They are mostly grey color, brown color and some of them are white.
@robertelliottlang7031
@robertelliottlang7031 3 жыл бұрын
An opaque object that reflects all wavelengths appears white; one that absorbs all wavelengths appears black. Black and white are not generally considered true colors; black is said to result from the absence of color, and white from the presence of all colors mixed together.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
White feathers are caused by the absence of pigment
@Tofuyamaaa
@Tofuyamaaa 3 жыл бұрын
I love white pigeons, I'm buying a pair tomorrow!
@descurtis1740
@descurtis1740 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting article on the white pigeons, puts it in awhole new criteria.
@josephtonna304
@josephtonna304 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks video was really helpful I was reading an old pigeon gazette that you can get white almonds how would you get that
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Without any of the reddening or darkening genes, almonds come out of the nest near white and darken as they get older.
@Rupak688
@Rupak688 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video 👌
@mandabalaraju4458
@mandabalaraju4458 3 жыл бұрын
Adam Archer.. Really love your explanation and sharing of knowledge. Can you suggest any book that deals with pigeon genetics. Thank you for everything 😍
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Pigeon Genetics by Axel Sell
@tapangiri3048
@tapangiri3048 2 жыл бұрын
Love this
@donavan370z9
@donavan370z9 3 жыл бұрын
Love the video! Those Tigers are beautiful!
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@donavan370z9
@donavan370z9 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons Hey Adam! Can you do a video on what happens when you get two hens or two cocks from a breeding. I've haven't seen a video about this yet. Thank you!
@donavan370z9
@donavan370z9 3 жыл бұрын
I got two hens from a pairing and one of hens is strong and large like cock! I raise Birmingham Rollers and a few Homers. This pair came from my Rollers.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
It is just random. On average 50% of the time they'll be a nest pair, 25% 2 hens, 25% 2 cocks.
@christopherquinn1018
@christopherquinn1018 8 ай бұрын
How much value do leg bands add to the bird?
@sanc47
@sanc47 3 жыл бұрын
Well explained
@englishbull1949
@englishbull1949 3 жыл бұрын
I am new to keeping pigeons but loving it. I own 1 tiger grizzle and to gray grizzles does that mean if they breed I will always get GRIZZLES ? Thanks and keep up the good work.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily, if both parents are heterozygous for their grizzle gene you'll end up with 25% each of: tiger grizzle, classic grizzle, both at the same time, and neither.
@englishbull1949
@englishbull1949 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks for reply Adam. Interesting mate.
@fletcherhamilton3177
@fletcherhamilton3177 2 жыл бұрын
Are the consistent reds easy to find?
@phoizrahman3086
@phoizrahman3086 3 жыл бұрын
Wow.. better explanation about white 🧬 so far. Thanks ♂️
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ramisa9001
@ramisa9001 2 жыл бұрын
Hello my friend, ich have a question! I have a 100 % clean white male pigeon and a smoky female pigeon. Which color could the babies have?
@johnwinson7176
@johnwinson7176 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam it's john I really liked your online shop I brought somethings for myself
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, I appreciate the support 👍
@lawrenceearle4134
@lawrenceearle4134 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I am really enjoying your videos. This question might be covered some where else, but what do your individual breeding pens look like? what size are they? how long do you leave the birds paired as individuals?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
They're 500x600x500, but they're too small and I would recommend bigger.
@lawrenceearle4134
@lawrenceearle4134 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons How large would you make them if you were building new ones?
@centrumwschod1049
@centrumwschod1049 3 жыл бұрын
Great! Greetings from Poland
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! I have a lot of viewers from Poland :)
@94TheGr3mlin
@94TheGr3mlin 3 жыл бұрын
I know this is late and won’t matter for this video/eggs and you probably know this yourself but you can hear the chick chipping away at the egg from the inside if you hold it to your ear and know it’s due to chip it’s how I used to determine the hatching or live chicks in eggs for my birds after lay date and marking the eggs 1st nd 2nd obviously protective parents make that abit harder 😅
@inderinder420
@inderinder420 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone help me please? I am buying 100 pairs same pigeons from my farmer friend. I like to know what kind of breed is this. He doesn't know either. I own small farm house. With stables and barn. I have so much space. And what is the selling price? Please help me.
@abdulmutalib144
@abdulmutalib144 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE WHITE AND ALSO MAGSSI PIGEONS,,, LOVELY SIR
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Abdul
@giovannetaffuri7448
@giovannetaffuri7448 Жыл бұрын
Please, solve a doubt for me, in the event that the pigeon is white, or carrier of recessive white, is there a possibility of using one of these in a project with the purpose of diluting colors? Although you have explained the science of "lack of pigmentation", I would like to know if there is any chance of color dilution occurring when crossing with pigeons of other colors... for example, leaving a lighter recessive red, half orange ... Thanks.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons Жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand what you mean, but yes, white pigeons can carry the "dilute" gene.
@PigeonViews
@PigeonViews 3 жыл бұрын
Nice dear
@bhaizelloft9560
@bhaizelloft9560 3 жыл бұрын
same like pure white pigeons😍😍😍
@keithmecca13
@keithmecca13 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam. I had a friend he’s gone now. But he had a red checker cock and a red hen and all there baby’s were white. All white. After looking at your channel I understand why.
@svenhoek.6095
@svenhoek.6095 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah , hard to keep clean lol 😆
@anushaalan6024
@anushaalan6024 3 жыл бұрын
Which pattern, colour base pigeon should pair with blue base t chech pigeon to get almonds
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
You need the gene called stipper to get almond
@nilocyoutubification
@nilocyoutubification 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear you talk about white pigeons. My experience is that I had a pair of blue bars and as they get older, they eventually produce a white...it turned out to be a cock. The pair I had were around 6 years when the youngster had white flights. The older the pair, the more splash I was getting until I got a pure white cock. On a lighter note, don't give up on the tiger grizzles....they're beauties.
@kamrulhasansakib9660
@kamrulhasansakib9660 3 жыл бұрын
please make a vedio of albino eyed pigeon
@no-soul6897
@no-soul6897 3 жыл бұрын
So one of my white homers hatched a hen with a blue bar on her tail You cant call her anymore a white I think its a homozygous grizzle Am i right? Or what color is her?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Pied probably.
@no-soul6897
@no-soul6897 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons how? One of my white homer pair produced a white hen with a blue tail bar and its a pied?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Pied simply means "white in some places where there would normally be colour".
@cylvanosmallpigeonloft7612
@cylvanosmallpigeonloft7612 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam. Could you please explain how one pigeon gets two different eye colors.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, I'll touch on it in an eye video one day. The answer is usually just that the bird is pied on only one side of the face.
@Pet_mania007
@Pet_mania007 3 жыл бұрын
Great
@alfredreyes6490
@alfredreyes6490 2 жыл бұрын
Hello. If white is the absence of (pigment) color, What is black?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 2 жыл бұрын
Melanin pigment expressed throughout all the feathers. Usually as a result of the gene called "spread".
@lovehobin3585
@lovehobin3585 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a subscriber watching in Korea. I would appreciate it if you could make it possible to translate into Korean soon. I'm enjoying the video.
@georgegatti1
@georgegatti1 3 жыл бұрын
Question how do I get more whites. If I breed a white with a long distance racing pigeon then breed the babies with whites would you get more whites.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
It depends on the white genes you have, but yes that is your best bet to start with.
@georgegatti1
@georgegatti1 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons I have about 100 white racers and their parents have been out 100 miles. As a foundation I bread the 100 mile whites together but I was looking to add some stronger distance birds into the Mix. And try to get stronger white birds. This has bred a 20 year breeding process for me. I will try the cross and see what the babies produce.
@lathamlofts5092
@lathamlofts5092 3 жыл бұрын
Never new this tha is for tips
@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae
@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae 2 жыл бұрын
On Halloween or April 1st I’ll temporarily dye them to look like passenger pigeons
@varghese6409
@varghese6409 3 жыл бұрын
If i pair, mukhi pigeon : black ( T checker ) and red bar, what will be the colour of its chicks
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Likely T-Checks, red sons and blue daughters if the order you posted is the sexes of the parents.
@varghese6409
@varghese6409 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any chancy of blue checker
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, if the T Patten bird carries check.
@varghese6409
@varghese6409 3 жыл бұрын
How could i develope blue barless
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
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@narendraramlall2549
@narendraramlall2549 Жыл бұрын
How do you keep the white pigeons so clean ?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons Жыл бұрын
My pigeons live in a clean pigeon loft...
@narendraramlall2549
@narendraramlall2549 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your response
@juliosdiy3206
@juliosdiy3206 3 жыл бұрын
White is not a color so i would say that my pure white pigeon is pure 100% dilute. So i have one pair of silver pigeons and here I bred a dilute silver bar cock looks white with red bars with a silver hen. The result is a pure white cock and a silver hen. Can u explain how this happens? The second batch is another pure silver and a splash or pied silver.
@katlegomahlangu8528
@katlegomahlangu8528 2 жыл бұрын
I own two red pigeons
@ninc3d3m0n4
@ninc3d3m0n4 3 жыл бұрын
ARCHIMEDES?
@MerpatiSemataKandang
@MerpatiSemataKandang 3 жыл бұрын
Hadir nyimak sobat. Oleh olehnya lengkap. Support ya.
@lowlandloft1264
@lowlandloft1264 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to produce white birds with colored eyes using blue grizzels?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
You could get pretty close, but to get "pure" white it's best to use red.
@lowlandloft1264
@lowlandloft1264 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons does it matter what red I use? Can it be recessive or does it have to be Ash Red?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
@@lowlandloft1264 Ash Red
@mehdib4560
@mehdib4560 3 жыл бұрын
Plz can u post ur video more often
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
After I move house and get my new loft, yes
@jaderahul7
@jaderahul7 3 жыл бұрын
Well, I believe The GENETICS Is a big mystery.. If the colour white is recessive they why is it get expressed to its progeny🤔 I had white female roller paired to ash red T check.. both the babies were full white to my surprise.. Can you explain on this?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Either your bird had a dominant white gene, or the ash red carried recessive white. Genetics isn't a mystery, it's science and can be tested 👍
@jaderahul7
@jaderahul7 3 жыл бұрын
Adam Archer Pigeons Thanks for the clarity👍🏻
@whitepearlloftofflorida9165
@whitepearlloftofflorida9165 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@sergey3928
@sergey3928 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👌
@jamalsher9030
@jamalsher9030 3 жыл бұрын
I m from Pakistan plz we have egg hatching problem pigeon
@jacobstromburg5803
@jacobstromburg5803 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting how the tiger grizzle just got off the eggs and let you have them.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Worlds worst parents 😅
@abcloft302
@abcloft302 3 жыл бұрын
Only here for the the white doves 🕊
@robertcourtney7649
@robertcourtney7649 3 жыл бұрын
🤔🕊
@faisal1979m
@faisal1979m 3 жыл бұрын
Mix white colored peigon with spread recessive color “ dun “ you will get amazing colors and patterns of actually white patterns I have amazing grizzle Fantail babies from a white male fantail and female dark spread grey mom I paired a grizzled make baby with his white sister and I have got amazing offspring Grizzled white and Brown and grizzled white and grey baby
@juliosdiy3206
@juliosdiy3206 3 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of silver bars, the hen comes from two silver bars but the cock is from an ash red pie forgot what the hen is but anyways back to the pair the cock is a dilute silver but he looks cream white with red ash like bars. They have been together and produces all silver bars and mealy. This year they produce a pure white with dark red eyes i was just stuned. According to ur theory it lost its color genes so i think its just an accident. Now if i mate this white which is probably a hen to its father do u suppose it can produce whites right away because i think the father carries more of the white gene from his father. If u support the theory that it will produce whites then i will try to mate them this spring although i dont think it will produce any dilutes i think its just hard to amagine it.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
If the gene is recessive white, then you can mate the white young back to the opposite sex parent and in theory 50% of the young should be white.
@ashmyr_bonbon4521
@ashmyr_bonbon4521 3 жыл бұрын
So they still fast?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, all my coloured projects are kept to the same standard as my regular-coloured racing pigeons.
@ashmyr_bonbon4521
@ashmyr_bonbon4521 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons so the color of the pigeon doesn't have to do anything about it's speed?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Correct
@thembadavid2922
@thembadavid2922 3 жыл бұрын
🇿🇦❤️
@deebakdeebak4008
@deebakdeebak4008 2 жыл бұрын
Greedom thalvar color white pegion sall
@WhitePigeon69420
@WhitePigeon69420 Жыл бұрын
Am white pigeon
@PlayAllGamesYT
@PlayAllGamesYT Жыл бұрын
Hi, if you have any white breeders available? let me know, please. I am looking for a pair with colored eyes. and are they available? I'm from Pakistan. Thank You
@YahawahshiIsTrueGOD
@YahawahshiIsTrueGOD 3 жыл бұрын
KAL halaliah YAHAWAH BASHAM YAHAWAHASHI BASHAM RAKAKADASH HOLY SPIRIT ❤️👑 Master
@sandypineda7632
@sandypineda7632 3 жыл бұрын
1st
@ChuPaengPenNotes
@ChuPaengPenNotes 3 жыл бұрын
check the eggs 5 days after they sit on it to see if fertile eggs and repeat it in 10 days
@olegcherkasky2755
@olegcherkasky2755 3 жыл бұрын
So, basically white pigeons are albino.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
Actually no! There are also real albino pigeons, I just forgot to mention them in the video. Albino pigeons will have pink eyes instead of the dark eyes of a recessive white.
@turankaradag2896
@turankaradag2896 Жыл бұрын
White color does not complete any color in pigeons. No color will ever be white if you try for a thousand years. It is absolutely necessary to enter the white pigeon gene. In that case, I think your theory is wrong. If your theory were correct, the white part in shielded pigeons would not always meet in the same place and would not leave the wing tops regularly colored. So the painter either painted them all or had to paint them randomly. Love and respect from Turkey. Thank you. I don't know English, but I can explain this much with google translate.
@cj7gaming665
@cj7gaming665 3 жыл бұрын
can you give me pls one only pegeon pls pls pls pls pls pls !
@nisse18
@nisse18 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, technically it's black that's not a colour. White has not made the genes "invisible", they don't have another colour underneath... what are you talking about?
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
The gene called "recessive white" completely stops pigment production, preventing any other colour genes from showing their expression.
@nisse18
@nisse18 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons Yea, but that doesn't mean there's another colour "underneath", all animals have some inactive genes.
@AdamArcherPigeons
@AdamArcherPigeons 3 жыл бұрын
The genes are not "inactive". Their expression is just hidden by the epistasis of recessive white. They will be passed onto the next generation and expressed without inhibition if the other parent isn't a carrier of recessive white. Please don't come onto my channel and start spreading misinformation when you don't know what you're talking about.
@nisse18
@nisse18 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamArcherPigeons What are you talking about? 😆 You're ridiculous There is no other colour underneath!! Don't talk about things you clearly know nothing about lol
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