I hate to be overly dismissive but there is something truly comical about all these tiny schismatic groups pointing fingers in circles at each other.

That's a level of splintering enough to make even a Trotskyist blush ;)

Before you finish this series I fully expect you to say "but that denomination had a split and formed a new denomination, which is literally just one guy."

Davidian graphics are great. Inky cut-and-paste symbolism without even a nod to the modern world.

Fun little anecdote. I had an OLD beat up dually that had electrical issues and couldn't pass emissions. Wasn't worth it to repair. Listed it in the classifieds (yes I'm old) and the people who came to pick it up made sure it started, then gave us like $100 over our asking price because we had just filled it up (dual 20 gallon tanks). Cash in an envelope. Didn't want a bill of sale, hardly even wanted the title. Asked them what they were gunna do with it, turns out the just needed a ranch truck for their compound. Asked them about their compound, and they straight up told us they were Branch Davidians out in some BFE town in southeast Arizona.

wow, my head is spinning now.

I like how the internal politics were so complicated that it took 14 minutes to get to “oh yeah, what do these people believe?” 😂

That's mind-blowing. How do people even have the time for figuring out which branch they want to davidian with...

Love the flowery prose of their mutual shade AND the way they all set themeselves up with the exact same names and brands.

I have an associate who is Davidian. Bats in the belfry. "Always Winter and never Christmas"

Great video. This is the kind of religious study that most fascinates me.

Most important point is Mr. Houteff was disfellowshpped from the Seventh-Day Adventist Church about a Century ago for teachings that were not in line with Seventh-Day Adventist. And everything since has been many splinters going further and further a field from the SDA church. As an SDA many years ago as a kid I heard of the Shepards Rods and as you said they are basically hostile towards Adventist yet view them as their only "mission field". Seems like a handful of "strong men" trying to fight it out for control these days. Thanks for the this amazing research.

As a Davidian Seventh Day Adventist, this video is accurate. Well done!

Thank you for your work. You do an excellent job. There are so many groups I know nothing about, but when you cover the ones I’m familiar with, everything is spot-on! So I trust you as a reliable source of information for the rest. Again, great job and many thanks.

For awhile there this descended (ascended?) into a Davidian version of Life of Brian.

"Let them fight!"

The amount of research you must have done in order to get all this information is insane.

Fascinating. Very impressive research Sir. Glad to be Roman Catholic.

Wow as an ex-Trotskyist I sense something familiar with the Davidians. haha

Your best video yet. Well done. Reading about all these little perpetually fractionating Protestant groups makes me so happy in my heart. Imagine what it must be like to belong to a church with maybe 100-ish people and to earnestly believe without a shadow of a doubt that yours is the one true church and that even those who are so similar to you except on minor details not even noticeable to outsiders are going to Hell for not believing the exact same things as you. It must be really, really nice honestly.

Really like the style you have going on. For some reason it makes me feel like I've gone back to the 80s in a library somewhere. I can almost smell the smell of the books. Thanks for your work!

I enjoyed that. I am a former SDA born and bred so to speak. I remember at a camp meeting about 58 or 59 right in front of the big tent at the evening meeting there was a trash can for Shepherd's Rod literature. There was also a guy with a white beard and like a shepherd's crook standing by. I had no idea what was going on.

Thanks for the breakdown, good summary on an otherwise fractured religious sect. It's interesting that all Davidian sects can agree on "the tithe only goes to who has the truth", and then these sects pop up all claiming to have the truth, while discrediting the other sects. Seems like each one just wants all the tithes to themselves. But that's crazy talk, they would never be motivated by money...

Thank you. As always a great video but I've got to admit that, despite your formidable powers of lucid presentation, I am still bewildered.

It’s wild to me how many different denomination and “interesting” groups that came out of the original Adventist group.

When you get to the part that they all hate each other. I went "So they're all Libertarians?"

As a Boards of Canada fan I feel scammed. As a professional Ready to Harvest enjoyer I'm here to learn about cool topics.

Reminds me of the People’s Front of Judea and the Judean People’s Front.

Great video. There is a lot of work in this so thanks for sharing this.

What I have learned from this channel is that there are some really crazy religions in the USA

So many smart wolves, getting the sheep to follow!

Brilliant. Thank you!

Great information.

I have read and studied most of the books without being judgemental and I testify Bro Houtef indeed taught the present truth that I must know.

Brilliant summaries and analyses!

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I knew about the Davidians but thought it was just one group, not many. If I believed Christians were supposed to keep the seventh day, I'd just be a 7th Day Baptist ... rather than try to condemn everyone who doesn't agree with my bible interpretations in minute detail. Scary stuff.

It's an interesting premise for a KZfaq channel -- learning a lot. Thank you!

Your video was very well done excellent video and well presented, your research and attention to detail is quite remarkable. I really did enjoy your video and you have presented information that most Adventists and even Davidians don’t know. Blessings

For some reason it's really funny to me that they said, if Brother Houteff didn't come back to life in 1959, they would be proven wrong, and then they actually went through with it and went back to being normal Seventh-day Adventists when it didn't happen in 1959. It's as if I'm shocked to see logic or science actually applying, even if there was a 3-year delay.

Strange and fascinating. Thanks.

This was a great video. Very informative and interesting

as a marxist i just have to say i'm in awe of this, these are the most trotskyist christians i've ever seen, all the denominations have one of two names and can only be destinguished by their po box city or website, several of the denominations literally just seem to be a guy with a website, and there's no attendance numbers because they're all purely entryist into the sda, actually incredible

Great video

At first I read it as Dravidians and thought of course they still exist... And then saw the channel's name and read the title once again lol.

Very cool info

Based

All shall cower before my presence, mere mortals!

The headquarters of the GA DSDA is across the street from my High School (I’m in Waco)

well said.God bless you

Excellent presentation

I watched the whole video, but I care so little about the subject that my mind kept wandering 😢

An absolutely per superb job! This is the most accurate presentation of the history of the Davidians I have ever seen. And I have been studying their history for practically my whole life. If you do want to learn more details about the Branch Davidians, I recommend my channel. Good job Ready To Harvest!

Good work , good man.

Fair and accurate analysis, not biased. May God bless you brother.

I'd love to see you cover and analyze the local church in The Simpsons: the First Church of Springfield, belonging to the Western Branch of the American Reformed Presby-Lutheranism. While clearly a joke, it would be interesting to see what The Simpsons says about denominations in pop culture, and to see if that church could theoretically belong to any real world denomination.

Thanks. I got it. I am listening. He is quite accurate on many things.

Here's the link to watch the UsefulCharts video that continues the family tree of denominations: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8tilJCetNGxZmw.html You don't want to miss this one!

I did not think they still existed, fascinating!

I am from Waco TX where the Branch Davidian standoff was in the 90s. However, the branch davidian cult still exists in Waco and my mom had to do a psych eval on one of its members

The end of this made me laugh harder then I should admit. 😅

There is a KZfaq channel made by some of the modern branch davidians who reject David Koresh and it is fascinating.

My head hurts 😢 If I may ask, where is Christ in all of this? He alone is the object of our faith and worship. While Joshua always does a fantastic job of accurately representing what each denomination believes, this all sounds like a huge distraction away from what is truly important

SDA Church has nothing to do with these lunatics.

The General Asociation makes a good point.

In the early days of Christianity there were no New Testament writings, most people were illiterate and yet whatever they received from God deeply transformed them; to the point of being willing to die before giving it up! There was a deep fundamental unity amongst them weaved together by a DEEP love of God and one another. What changed?

Great work Joshua Kindly share links to materials to all the groups of davidians available so far

“Doctor Blogger” Best video ever.

Not to be disrespectful or condescending, but one of the most reassuring aspects of my faith as a Catholic is that instead of fracturing into dozens of tiny contentious sects with murky lineages that vehemently bicker amongst themselves over minutiae, we have a crystal clear apostolic succession tracing back 2000 years and have continued to flourish to over a billion faithful. It’s comforting knowing that the spiritual head of our church traces his roots directly to St. Peter rather than some regular guy in Early America that just claimed to be prophetic.

PEW Charitable Trust Published an article back in 2011 about "Why Millenials aren't going to church" (paraphrased title) It is partially this - churches arguing over who is right/legit and neglecting the work of the church

For some reason I read this as “Canadians still exist.”

I remember when that awful event happened. It's worth reading up on, or maybe watching the Netflix series about, which I just now learned about, so that's on my to-watch list.

Wow.

Hi Joshua, this is a little off topic, but what do you know about the Faith Center in Glendale CA, led by Pastor Melissa Scott? Apparently, the church was founded by her late husband, Dr. Gene Scott. I know it's not technically a denomination, but it seems to be its own unique entity. I can't figure them out.

Quite interesting.

I just wanna say that all of these websites look terrible lol

Interesting

I am surprised that the Seventh Day Adventist church allowed them to used the name Seventh day Adventist to ensure there was a separation

I did not know that Koresh's Davidians grew out of SDA.

I knew so little history, but as a Texan born I. 1980, I witnessed lots of news stories about the stand off. I didn't even realize this group splintered from the Seventh Day Adventists.

Imma start the Davidians of Mt Carmel Publishers of Universal Shepherds.

I wonder how they legally have the name Seventh-day Adventist when the founder was kicked out of the SDA church and the modern SDA church quickly sues any splinter group that includes their name in it.

You should make a video about the break away groups of the Mormons such as the Temple Lot Church, Message of Elijah and their break away groups from within. It would be interesting.

Wow! Great Job! This all just goes to further show how absolutely apostate everything called the church is.

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I know what dividian is supposed to mean, but I think in this case it just means divided.

Have you reviewed Christian Scientists, the snake handlers, Moonies, universal Unitarian, shakers

"In 1990, Vernon Howell changed his name to "David Koresh" and claimed to be messianic.'" What was that? Oh, only the wheels falling off the bus.

"then this group split off, then this group split off, then some guy named Sam showed up and made a new one, then..."

There is a reason Texans sometimes call the Adventists in that part of the state "Wackos" from Waco. Adventism itself seems strange to other Christian groups, Seventh-Dayers especially. Then Davidians seem strange even compared to them, and "Koresh's" group, well...no one is forgetting that debacle any time soon. I was unaware of the splits between the various Davidian groups, but it's hardly surprising. This kind of thing tends to happen when modern people try to put themselves in the role of Biblical prophet regardless of their complete inability to hold up to the Bible's portrait and requirements of legitimate prophecy. This is also the case with the Mormons. Everyone knows of the LDS group based out of Salt Lake, and many have heard of Fundamentalist splinter groups that tend to form polygamous communes in the desert each considering itself the sole bastion of true faith on earth. But there are several other splinter groups and each considers themselves the only true faith and excoriatesa all the others as apostates and heretics, arguing over proper temple sites and whose prophetic revelations are to be considered legit. Such Restorationist prophet-chasing groups make the diversity of modern Protestantism look like a lesson in Ecumenicalism by comparison. Even if a Christian believes in modern day prophecy, it is only reasonable and doctrinally safe to at least excercise the methods of discernment and protection given in the Bible. Not only does the OT tell us that any prophet who makes a prophecy which does not come to pass is a false prophet deserving death under the Law, but the New Testament warned believers to carefully test all purported prophecy, for the elders to subject it to Biblical teaching (not the other way around), and to reject anyone as a false prophet and troublemaker who attempted to alter the Gospel, made false prophecy, or taught contrary to the moral standards revealed in Christ. If supposed believers held more tightly to the teachings of divine scripture than to the books of self-proclaimed prophets, none of these groups would have come into existence.

Schism is like divorce, which God hates. If your church suffers from this, read on. There are often those in a church who believe they are more inspired than those who taught them. But usually they have only generated unfounded doctrine, unwilling to accept they may be false. Here are a few ways I have come to discern truth in these matters. The doctrine is false if: - The primary mission is to other church members and little obedience to Matthew 28:19 (Go ye therefore). - The doctrine tends toward or includes the disparagement of leaders of the church in violation of Exodus 22:28 (Do not speak evil) - Proponents are willing to interrupt Bible study groups discussions to use it as their platform in violation of 1 Cor 14:29 (let the other judge). - Personal holiness is their only point in violation of Hosea 6:6 (I desire mercy). - Making official-sounding organizations with themselves as the leader rather than building up the church (consider Acts 5:34-39). - They believe their doctrine is foundational. And when discerning elders show them their doctrine is unbiblical, they react by working secretly, often sowing discord. Now those points require a lot of discernment because the entire reformation movement could be condemned thereby. A sermon could be written on each point. There were only a remnant who returned to Jerusalem after the exile. There were few who were prepared for the appearance of a humble Messiah. And it appears that wickedness will increase until the day of his appearing. And who will be able to stand? My point is, the church leaders and the majority is often wrong. For example, concerning the Sabbath, church leaders first desired to put to death our Lord Jesus, and by the law they condemned and crucified Him. Luther desired to reform the church but was unable, unintentionally ending up with a different church altogether. Each of the following reformers had their story. The Adventists did not intend or form a church of their own until they were rejected by their respective denominations (for their beliefs in the second coming 1 Thes 4:17). In non-denominational churches, I know of many people disenchanted by the continuing progression of doctrinal changes (even while many others in the congregations don't care or love the changes). Because I belong to a denomination, they question me about all the new teachings from their pulpits. I can say this, that these sensational churches without a denomination are worse off than their former state for this reason: - Abandonment of Bible principles for a theories or traditions, such as overlooking both old and new testament guidance on immorality in the church. Some denominations in the last twenty years embraced teachings that were formerly unthinkable. The abandonment of the Bible and mixture of "culture" into the church is an act called spiritual "adultery". The first church to do this is given in the Bible the name "Babylon Mother of harlots". Any church embracing culture makes themselves one of her daughters because they seek to fill their worship centers based on lowered standards and inclusiveness. Is it okay to bring them into church with "come as you are", while also saying "stay as you are" in violation of John 8:11 (go and sin no more)? So both ultra-conservative and liberal "wolves" are storming through our churches. Adventists suffer from the former because it is already a very conservative church, though there are also liberal pockets. Popular churches suffer badly from liberal teachings, relying on "sermon central" and similar sources for doctrine instead of the Bible and the influence of the Holy Spirit, and they are greatly influenced by political climate. If only "thus says the Lord" would be the habit of all believers. If your church suffers from any of the above, it is time to be on your knees before the Lord (Rev 5:8, your prayers).

A man named Roden declaring that people should get off the Rod and follow him.....

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

How many people are in each of these groups?

Although not a follower of hseroK divaD, she's a devoted Branch Davidian.

13:15 Is that a derogatory metaphorical use of the word "Jesuit"? That's fascinating if so. I wonder what the connotation is.

I'm glad that Christianity is not judged by the early Gnostic and Nicolatian offshoots. Just so Adventists should be evaluated on their own merits, not the merits of the myriad of offshoots.

If a small group like the Davidians can't stay together due to doctrine disagreement, that say lot about their issues. Jesus preached a simple message of Loving God, Repentance, and loving your fellow man. There are a lot of disagreements between churches on how that should be done, but most are friendly about it. These Davidain factions are all screaming heresy and damning each other in public.