That or Cegorach knew the Khan would eventually enter the webway due to the Drukhari raids on Chogoris, and wanted to parlay with a primarch in the Black Library?

Or he did it for the lolz 🤷🏼‍♂️

What novel is this stated in?

And he thought it was funny that the only Asian primarch landed on a planet full of Asian people

I mean noise marines are bad already but imagine if ALL of them had a bike and a land speeder and rather than rock and roll they killed you with Mongolian music

This. Chemos was on the verge of collapse and so was his legion when he first met them that he and his sons always felt that they had something to prove.

Reading "Fulgrim," 100% agree. That book set him up for a sort of revival/redemption. All to be destroyed in a short story in an anthology book. Thanks, GW.

Plus, we all know Perturabo is the "whiny bitch" Primarch.

The idea of being too perfect to create art is pretty good. Fulgrim is incapable of the flaws which give sculptures, paintings, writings, etc... their strengths. That said, such bitterness seems to be purely a result of the Laer blade and something which GW missed a trick setting up for a rebirth arc in 40/41k

@@Mr.LaughingDuck argel tal is just a brainwashed guts let's be honest

wait, vashtor has taken necron tech into the web way, where jaghatai is. Really they just need a reason for the two to meet.

I like this idea!

it's true though

But that is the best parts....the mania...the obsession..... Anyway the losses don't matter, when GW finally gets around to writing EC back into the main storyline we'll find that Fulgrim restored the legion afterall no one turned on the Primach he just went for some smokes. Then the numbers will swell with Slaaneshi Marines from all over the place. The same as happened to the equally "hopelessly" fragmented World Eaters. The fluff will change to suit whatever GW's is trying to sell at the time.

Angel Exterminatus is also....kind of hilarious, too. Perturabo and Fulgrim should have gone on more adventures together. All I could think about was that one episode of Boondocks with Grandad and Tyler Perry.

I kind of love that. Not to downplay your reaction but it's a good reminder of how giving yourself over to chaos can and will fuck you over and those closest to you. If feels like often authors just make it mean getting power as long as you act completely evil with no real downsides

Kaesoron is the first captain right? The one that c*med after being hit by Santhar?

@@Fifthmiraclewith the world eaters they never reformed as a legion they just kind of started following Angron and his ship around because he went to all the good battles, I’m probably wrong but this is a vague recollection of what happened, btw look up the phoenix conclave the emperors children are already beginning to reform

They should have a box set with both of them battling with a new model line

Id buy one for sure

With 10th on its way, we'll probably see EC in the next three years. considering how beautiful the Slaanesh models for AoS are, I'm hopeful. Fulgrim is going to look like a kitbash of Sigvald and Morathi

Iron Hands by far my favorite legion, and by far the least developed.

I waiting for the super dreadnought obliterator perturabo who never actually became a demon primarch,instead burning demons as fuel for the damb near knight sized life support machine he has become

Rylanor is noncanon due to the construction of the beacon he calls Fulgrim with. There was no way for him to get Sonic Weapons on Istvaan 3 as they didn't exist during the battle.

Proof?

@@PrinceOfChange it’s stated in my claim. Rylanor constructs his beacon with Sonic weapons, but those were first used during the marivaglia, an event that happened after Istvaan 3 but before Istvaan 5 as they were first used against the loyalist legions sent to quell the heresy. . Quite simply, Rylanor is wounded by and constructs a beacon out of weapons that don’t exist at that point in time. He also can’t have been discovered later as warbands would investigate what happened to a squad of suddenly dead noise marines on a planet with a population of 0 (other than Rylanor)

@@alexwilbrecht6962 Dude claim is wrong as hell, Rylanor was sent to guard a underground hangar, which he used as his home for the next 10,000 years. He could have used parts in the hangar to create the beacon and virus bomb, maybe even using parts of his dreadnought body he deemed non essential. The hangar would likely contain parts to fix ships communications systems so he could have put those parts together to build a beacon. BAM plot hole sealed, Rylanor still be canon dude.

@@lordofdefiance8174 it is stated in the story that he created the beacon out of Sonic weapon parts. . “Vistario glanced at the strange device hooked to the interior of the wrecked starship and inquired as to the device's purpose. Rylanor explained it was a Sonic Weapon of some kind. A handful of his former brothers among the Emperor's Chidren had found the hangar and sought to kill him. They failed, but the power of their weapons crippled him and left him mortally wounded. Vistario deduced that Rylanor had managed to reshape the Sonic Weapon into a distress beacon of some kind.” . If you want to talk about the story I’d recommend reading it first

I mean, new fulgrim is better than old fulgrim by a mile and he hasn't even done anything yet

@Mr. Bones 40k he never will. He was a minor plot point in a book series whos author, Josh Reynolds, no longer works for GW. As much story potential clonegrim has he existed entirely for Fabius Bile's character growth, and was disposed of as soon as the story no longer needed him.

Nope, I hate him. OG fulgrim and lucius ftw.

yes

I was thinking that 😅

Sorry, the first non shit chaos legion.

@@PrinceOfChange Emperors children are a joke though, I know word bearers are awful but I cant deny they are a solid effective legion even in 40k setting

i assume its meant as "first numerical chaos legion", since the dark angels stayed loyalist and the 2nd are, well, the 2nd

There’s a none zero possibility that the demon was a former laer person and when “fulgrim” became a demon prince it became closer to its original laer form which is why he his current form.

Would also explain why the Fulgrim Clone is perfect in contrast to the other clones Bile made.

Don't think that tracks with the timeline we know.

The "Sons of the Phoenix" are a chapter already

The third shall reclaim their lost glory!

​@@alexwilbrecht6962 so what you're telling me is there's a chance?

@@total_no_more they’re technically Imperial Fists successors but it’s possible that Cawl made new primaris chapters (which the Sons of the Phoenix are) with traitor gene seed, then asked Gulliman for permission to use that seed, which he said no to. In response Cawl lies and says all these primaris are made from loyal geneseed when in fact some are not. . There is no evidence for this claim though other than Cawl asking Gulliman to use traitor geneseed and that the Sons of the Phoenix sounds very emperors childreny to me. I think it would be cool if these traitor geneseed chapters (if they are traitor geneseed) fall to chaos like their brothers but that’s just my preference. The loyalist remnants of the traitor legions are so cool because there are so few and their motivations to stay loyal, having random chapters like that diminishes the coolness of Tarvitz and Garro

I think at this point, with how GW burned the Fulgrim Redemption Arc bridge in HH, it'd take more than 3 books. But 100% down for the idea. From the mainline HH books, Fulgrim almost seems to be a loyalist primarch imprisoned by the laer blade's daemon. GW kinda ruined that, but I'm entirely on board with that storyline.

I do feel the Iron Warriors probably are slightly higher ranked than the Emperor's Children in terms of hate. for personal reasons ya know

@@TheBoneZone40k strangely I think the BT don’t hate the IW more then they hate any other legion bar the Black legion. Mainly due to Adabbon killing Sigimund the BT now seem to hate the Black legion more then the Iron warriors.

ya know what, you got a point there? I remember the canonical death of Sigismund being one of the only moments in Abaddon's life where he felt shame due to a loss. It would be funny to find out that the Black Legion is just canonically afraid of the Templars also, I feel outside of Chaos, Orks are probably high on the totem of hate.

After becoming traitors, they became known as the lords of profligacy

that is an interesting idea? Because Angron-pre nails was apparently one of the most noble and kind primarchs, with his weird primarch power being something akin to being able to experience the pain of those around him instead of them. so a clone would be interesting? not like the butchers nails would just appear

@@TheBoneZone40k Probably still have the hardest hate boner for the emperor and the imperium for they had done to him, but he also hates khorn , so i imagine he would compromise with guilliman by giving him his own planet to free and be peaceful and 100 % independent of the imperium and in return make a new world eater legions who is also independent but would also help the imperium in their of need

It could potentially be that Slaneesh forced the Laer to easily die to the EC so that Fulgrim could access their temple...

@@totalnerd5674 maybe? But no. Like in the fulgrim book the Laer do quite well for themselves, and without fulgrim’s intervention they would have possibly been integrated into the imperium due to their strength. If I was a chaos god planning a civil war, and the Laer are stronger than the 3rd legion, I’d rather have the Laer as my pawns than the EC noting that they are, in this hypothetical, more powerful

@@alexwilbrecht6962 Ah, that would make sense.

Am I wrong?

@@TheBoneZone40k hit the nail right on the head. Had to sub just for that.

hehe wait till you see that I have a third video already uploaded and queued up for publishing on Friday about Daemon princes

I respect this take so much. you're just right. Fulgrim pre-snake sword had his issues, but he was compelling because of it. Now he's just embarrassing to be around. There is a reason I also didn't talk about Rylanor yes, that literal chad-bot is getting his own video. he deserves it

@Mr. Bones 40k I figured if you told this story you would have a rylanor video! Rylanor gave fulgrim such a slap to the face that he has been crying for like 10 thousand years. Rylanor is an absolute beast to spend so much time just waiting to nuke fulgrim, and you know that he had to know it wouldn't kill him. He just wanted to piss in his cheerios for what fulgrim did. Fulgrims whole shtick pisses me off to no end. I got my degree in fine arts and studio art and mainly an oil painter. I love fine artwork and the process of how it's made. The one single primarch they made who represents what I love has like a half of a single book talking about that stuff and then he becomes snake laer fulgrim and it all goes to shit. He makes all of us artistic people look like flaky and bored people with severe cases of ADHD. he also kind of doesn't have any special primarch ability other than he heals faster than the others minus maybe vulkan. His only purpose is to lie to people and whine a lot. He couldn't even be bothered to attend the siege of Terra because he was busy turning citizens elsewhere into coke. Useless. I kept wishing clonegrim would find a way to murder fulgrim and go back and be loyalist legionless fulgrim

@Whitlock The Revanchist fulgrims ability is dualing. He has the best winstreak and most primarch kills of any of his brothers. Hes also known for his charisma, similar to Horus and was able to take over hostile planets entirely through diplomacy. His healing isnt any better than any other primarch Also, your insecurity about your talents is showing through. Perhaps you hate fulgy so much because you see a bit of yourself in him lmao. Ill never get the hate for him, his story is one of the best tragedies in 40k and hes memed on more than any other primarch with all of his losses exaggerated and his wins ignored. Hes a badass and nothing like the whiny bitch people pretend he is

@Fugl Featherbird did you really just say my insecurity about my talents is showing through? First, that's a real dick thing to say to anybody, second you said it just to be mean because you don't actually know anything about me and I didn't actually say anything about myself, personally. I don't know if that made you feel good about yourself to talk to someone like that but honestly it just made you look like the arrogant asshole you and fulgrim are. And 3rd, these are fictional stories and people that don't actually exist and to try to judge someone like that over their dislike of a completely fictional character says a lot more about you than it does my unmentioned talents. Clearly you like fulgrim enough to be a total asshole to a stranger, that's cool man. Maybe your love for the peacock says more about you than you realize. And 4th, dueling isn't an ability, every single one of these guys was trained from the moment they were found to be a duelist. And fulgrim might have been a good swordsmen but no one thought he would be able to take ferris and the only reason he was able to match was because of the daemon shoved up his butt. So I'm not sure it's really even fulgrim that is a great duelist, maybe that daemon or later slaanesh when she turned him into that snake thing, but straight up fulgrim isn't even a top 4 or 5 duelist, so I don't think that counts as an ability. Next time if you wanna have a conversation about 40k or your apparent primarch, that's great, and I genuinely love debates about this kind of stuff, but next time be an adult and don't attack the person right out of the gate. Especially when, like here, you didn't have any reason to even say it. It just makes you look like an asshole and no one wants to talk to an asshole. Kind of how no one wants to talk to fulgrim.

@Whitlock The Revanchist learn how to take a joke. And fulgrim didnt need the blade to beat ferrus. He literally beat the shit out of ferrus with his bare hands while the blade was still on his flagship before the fight at istvaan

For the Grand Duke Blazvkovitz

Perfect

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Not really, the Laer temple is the focal point where the corruption is introduced in the legion, the maraviglia is the dramatic way the novel showcases the end point of the corruption, but in itself it's not particularly needed to explain or introduce the emperor's children

But there's something to be said that he has seen what his children have become and hates it. He has seen what those choices he would have made have led to.

thats what i was thinking brother There is a reason the Noise marines upgrades is the same as from 3rd edition

But he did see and know what they've becomes, Clonegrim even killed one, he wants to elevate them again return them to the light, every Noise marine there knelt at Clonegrim

that's actually brilliant! what bits did you use for the Captain? And yeah, I don't really need another space marine army, but my favourite colour is pink, and I think a bright pink space marine army in modern day would be neat albeit they would probably go back to that Phoenician purple and gold type beat

@@TheBoneZone40k I used a Primaris Sargeant body as a base, some old school backbanner, fancy winged sword and left shoulder pad from Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard kit, and then some Custodian Shield-Captain cape. There are some third-party extras for the helmet and pteruges. Went with a kind of Tyrian Purple like on the artwork you display at 0:03 of the video :)

(Sorry for poor lighting)

I think about that. I think about that concept a lot

God I wish. He's kinda the dude that inspired me to do this