You upload while I workout. But sorry dude....you are dead wrong on this one. The Fastbacks created poppunk. Directly influenced Bill Stevens. All those eps came out in 1980-81.... they were sugary sweet pop as hell. Might not have directly influenced Blink 182..... but none the less.

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Hey Finn McDjenty!! Love you stuff dude! Can you do a video on positive hardcore? Gorilla Biscuits, H2O, etc?

The Buzzcocks were Pop Punk back in 1977.. The Descendants were influenced by The Buzzcocks. The Descendants along with ALL are fantastic Punk bands that brought Pop Punk to the 1980's.

Hey finn, theres a KZfaq channel called trash theory that goes Into how pop punk became pop punk from proto punk to early 90s California He also used the same thumbnail

deathdealer13cat I know Finn tries to stay away from politics and race issues, but there’s no denying black peoples influence on rock, then punk and finally with bad brains basically creating hardcore punk. We wouldn’t have good music if it wasn’t for black people.

@@MarvLinares cough black flag

Include Death please.

@@MarvLinares Or Middle Class. But the Bad Brains were amazing, regardless of race.

@@6AM_YT that too, both of your points. Weren't the first but one of the best

I was a freshman in hs. I went to a sold out punk show and saw them in the reunion tour. Swingging udders and bouncing sould opened. Was epic. 1996

@@lodoublet I too saw them that year as a freshman in hs. But they played with suicide machines. Love me some bouncing souls as well.

@@nicepocket we're old lol. .. I was in green bay wi. ... Sidenote i tear up when i hear "when i get old" nowdays.

@@lodoublet but do you still hop on your bike and ride around town...

PARENTS!!!

Thank you!

Yes perfectly said

Described it perfectly while giving him an amazing compliment.

My mind auto-corrects your name. Thought I'd share. This is a fun channel, though.

Not all music genres.

For sure

Ramones-core is the original pop punk.

Negative Zero I was just about to suggest that and rockaway beach but you beat me to it. They sound like they were trying to be The Beach Boys or the four seasons sometimes, so I definitely count them as pop punk.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think the difference is that the Ramones were trying to create a 50s/60s pastiche sound with punk instruments. I don't know if that can be the considered its own thing

Check out The Fastbacks. The ORIGINAL pop punk band. Also check out The Jam "In The City"... older and more pop punk. Part of the 1977 wave.

Along with Buzzcocks

@@kotanovakota definitely

Oh yeah, Screeching Weasel, The Queers and that crowd helped too, especially for the more silly and sophomoric side of things.

They had a far smaller impact tho and didnt add much that the ramones hadnt already done

The Punk Rock MBA I disagree. The whole lookout records/ Gilman street scene that gave rise to Green Day is more influential than you think. You dismiss it as doing what the Ramones had already done but the Descendants weren’t doing anything the Buzzcocks hadn’t already done. I love the Descendants but I reject the premise you imply of saying one band invented the style. MTX, Queers, Weasel and a lot of bands from that era played a part of the sound evolving. To be dismissive of that era and just make the leap from the Descendants to Blink 182 and modern pop punk is pretty disingenuous.

Punk rock was "pop" from the very beginning. Ramones. The Clash. Buzzcocks. The Undertones. The Boys. The Vibrators. Generation X. Awesome pop songs. "Baby, Baby", "London Girls", "Teenage Kicks", "Brickfield Nights", "What Do I Get?", "Have You Ever Fallen In Love". Years before Descendents.

Yes adolescents for sure

@anton hexler ok

anton hexler Some of y’all might wonder, is this hardcore sarcasm? Lol, if only. But this is really how mindless Alex Jones-sounding (and consuming) Anglo-Saxon correct reactionary reich wing chuds sound like all over the internet. These poorly-educated, red pill-swallowing, “Jews will not replace us” paranoid alt reich chuds really think this way. They cry about PC and Sjws all the time cuz, while we are living in an era where being a white supremacist is okay again thanks to the chuds’ tangerine Fuhrer Humpty Trumpty and the likes of Boris, these snowflake reactionaries and incels can’t go around being MCP’s and bigots anymore without being called out, and that certainly wasn’t the case back in the good ol’ politically correct kkkonservative days. These unhinged troglodyte cons think they’re so edgy sounding like the broken records they are with their cutesy talking points and buzzwords it’s beyond hilarious.

If singing/screaming about real world issues and basically speaking truth to power was being peachy and militant, then bless this band’s contemporaries. If Descendants focused on lyrical content that wasn’t serious and was a reflection of who they were, then the same can be said about *most* of their contemporaries. Many Punk bands from basically day one were taking a stance against the system, but many hardcore bands came from a grittier place and a number of them wrote about harsh things that they themselves experienced. Why do u think the legendary Black Flag wrote anti-cop songs? Because they witnessed - and in some cases experienced - this real thing called police brutality. Why did the ultra politically charged Dead Kennedys write about, well, everything that would label them a political band? Because like many of their contemporaries, they cared about the depressing but very real shit that was happening in the world (mind you, the Dead Kennedys, Jello Biafra specifically, had a very unique way of expressing himself compared to other punk/hardcore lyricists, and he often said what he said with a twisted sense of humor). It’s easy to label everything from 80’s hardcore to the likes of RATM as preachy (and of course, hypocritical and projecting AF reich wing drumpf cultists that don’t ever like to be challenged write off these bands as preachy, pandering, PC, and whatever else they feel makes these totalitarian-loving reich wingers feel good about themselves.) But at the end of the day, just cause it was common for these not-so-lighthearted bands to rage against the system in the era of conservative heroes like Regan and Tatcher (labels aside, these two were just rotten people and others suffered due to their actions,) doesn’t mean they were any less real than the not-so-serious Descendants. Sure, as with any genre or scene, some bands tried too hard. Although the bottom line: many of these bands simply stood up for what’s GOOD, and that, my friend, was Punk AF. ;)

anton hexler P.S. NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!

Thank you!

I wish blink followed through with recording with him.

Bill was the brainchild of the band. All of their best songs are written by him. He said he wrote Clean Sheets without strumming around or taking any time. He had all of it in his head when he woke up. If you haven't, check out Filmage.

Yeah, true that. How bout Tony Lombardo's bass lines? Really the whole rhythm section was on fire.

A super group lead by a drummer that no one outside the community knows about truly the best any punk band couldve hoped to do

I was at an All show with Stacy Hilt around the time Coalesce was first formed. The first drummer was there with us and commented how bad a drummer Bill was. I told him you're a fucking idiot, Bill was the drummer of Black Flag, you can fuck off with that shit and I moved away from him. That was the last thing I ever said to him and introduced Stacy to James Dewees who totally replaced that dick bag.

sounds like the goat..

Follow him on Spotify he usually makes playlist of the bands he talks about on each video

Dude, Finn is such a blessing to music fans. Not to completely ride his shlong, but the guy has so much knowledge and awareness of all of what I call "fringe music" aka punk, metal and all of the sub genres... it's incredible. I learn so damn much on almost every video. Finn doesn't know everything and he isn't the end all be all, but HE'LL TELL YOU THAT. It's the fact that he has such a well rounded view and understanding of how it all works together and how things came to be. Idk man, so happy I started watching his videos a year or two ago. [EDIT] I just saw the comment above me... either that is the funniest obvious troll comment I've seen in a while, or that is the cringiest unironic comment I've seen in a while. Either one takes the cake dude like wtf 😂

My mom told me she used to listen to punk when I was in her stomach and I've liked the music ever since for the most part.

@@urphakeandgey6308 ❤️ my son has been like that too lol I put an earbud in my belly button for him 😂

Yes, it is. And sooo are yoou!

nice

Feckin right it is

deanathan YESSS blink-182 got me into the Descendents and now I love them

Ben Pyle I am 100% with you!!!

the ramones sounds nothing like modern pop punk while many modern pop punk bands sound like the descendants and sing about the same things

Pierre-Louis Anceau MODERN, no. Classic, yes. Descendents are basically ramones 2.0. They both have the simplistic, upbeat, power chord-driven sound and sing about "sweet" stuff. Hardcore also descended from the Ramones but ramones are much more lax in contrast, which aligns them closer to the pop-punk subgenre. However, a vast number of testimonies solidify the simple fact that the ramones we're the first punk band so they can't be placed in a subgenre.

That's gold 😂

"Hope" is somehow even worse!

Can't argue with the truth

That’s funny hahah

It's all "friend zone" music.

Thomas Uniat so long and thanks for all the shoes is a great one too

I heard they suck live

Thanks man, appreciate it!

OMFG Refused? Yes please.

Way overrated by people who don't know anything

@@sideshowbob6416 What other bands did have that kind of sound in the 90s tho?

Maybe i just havent heard that album in forever but idk how The Used was that close to Refused

j rock d I’m saying bands like The Used in the early 2000s were obviously very influenced by Refused’s style. I didn’t say they ripped of the Refused....I’m just those bands are derived from the sound Refused created.

Thank you!

Yes! Now someone please help me with the specimen for "Big Me" by the Foo Fighters... I can't remember the title without the album in my hands... It's from the "I Don't Wanna Grow Up" album!!!

It’s weird cause circles is the name of a sunny day song and sunny day went on to become the foo fighters

@@maxonmendel5757 sunny days didn't become foo, the bassist from sunny day just went on to be in foo.

@@joeyrogerson83 Wasn't it the rhythm section duo of SDRE that was in the first Foo Fighters lineup?

The roots of punk existed long before the Ramones.

Luke Robinett was right and it was mentioned in the video if you were paying attention to it ...

Luke Robinett kick out the jams by mc5 1969

I consider the Ramones to be the first pop-punk band, too. They thought their music wasn't any different than the Bay City Rollers or whatever. They were clearly wrong. But they were for sure trying to be a pop band. They also inspired the whole Screeching Weasel vein of pop punk, which also inspired Blink 182, etc.

@@6AM_YT absolutly ive seen them say in interviews they tried to be like he beach boys or somthing. dont quote me but i believe i heard that in a documentary

Mad Mike Jones Don’t wanna know if you are lonely (fave song by them)

Dont listen to this bird...husker were pioneers...mould & Hart were the best

*your.. i always make an error. how punk of me... bahahha

Thank you, much appreciated!

I would love to see this, too.

Me 3

Yes like down by law,face to face,ten foot pole just too mention a few

More than small part.

pix8175 its pretty similar yes

Yeah, that's dead on

SAME lol

That cadence is pretty common

Im more partial to New Day Rising cuz the songwriting gets switched off between the members and it sounds like a proto 90s college rock Queen to me

Just listened to it yesterday. Also The Replacements, Let it Be.

HUSKER DU is too underrated. "It's Not Funny Anymore" was one of the first hardcore/punk songs I ever heard back on 1985.

Thank you!

Imma guess that there have been "I want his girlfriend to be my girlfriend" songs for thousands of years.

Thank you!

I know some of the people who sudmitted footage for that movie. Rev norb even gets called by name as the camera man in one scene. Check out boris the sprinkler if u havent.

Leo I wanna watch it but idk where I can

@@lofer9138 right now on the tubi app thats on most devices has it free. As well as the fat wreck. And salad days docs. And a bunch of other cool stuff related to punk and metal. The hr from bad brains doc is nuts.

I went to the premiere in Fort Collins got to see ALL with Chad & Scott

@@lodoublet Cool, thanks! I didn't even realize that film existed, let alone that it's available to watch *right now* . I'm a Boris the Sprinkler fan, too, so it's cool that Rev norb is a small part of it.

Thank you!

you not thinking of adolescents nah?

Sam Houston Oh, I got mixed up. Their names threw me in a loop.

Glad to know im not the only one that makes that mistake lol

funny thing I actually got to see the adolescents at a festival but they weren't on the bill originally. sad I couldn't be there both days to catch descendents too

That got stuck in my head all the time due the copious amount of Tony Hawk I played back in the day and now it's gonna be stuck in my head for the next week or so, so thanks for that :P

buzzcocks

@@Backlashed bingooo

Absolutely Buzzcocks!

Agreed about the Dickies!

The Damned

Thanks man!

*ruined

Tracy is 🔥

@Danny Dircio Don't be a dinosaur

I think he’s cool.

Im glad im not the only one that likes lil tracy. And im 37 lol

The pop in pop punk is arguably from power pop, so you're spot on

Yeah probably so - but i am certain GUK were into husker du

The Punk Rock MBA , is it possible you could do a video about how prog took over after metalcore as the next big thing?

@@briankerrigan3529 But did it? None of the djent bands have been nearly as commercially successful - metalcore bands just started playing generic djent riffs

The Punk Rock MBA , true. But I mean like BTBAM, Opeth, Gojira, Tesseract, Teramaze, Believer, etc. Hoping I am onto something there.

Maybe! Those bands are like 20 years old tho