I think the list is probably very indicative of character specialists vs character popularity. Ram is "mid-tier" because she has specialists, but is also very popular. This leads to the specialists winning a ton of games and many of the other players balancing it by losing a ton. This is in contrast to Potemkin as a "mid-tier": he has character specialists that play a ton but isn't insanely popular. This inflates his win rate, placing him higher than expected, but he also struggles a lot, evening him out around the middle. Then there's Chipp: high specialization coupled with many weaker players dropping him early because they die in 2 hits. This means the best players Chipp has are giving the most representation by far - making him top 2. At least this feels how the math is working out.

As a Faust main, I can absolutely agree we don't give a crap about how bad he is. We just like playing funni bag man lol

Maths nerd here, what you're doing is essentially a simplified version of the Sonneborn-Berger score. If you want to do your analysis but fancier, here's what I'd do. For each matchup, the characters score points equal to their chance of winning. These points go towards their base score. For example, if a character has a 36% chance of winning, they'll score 0.36 base points. Adding these up for all the matchups gives everyone's base scores, but we're not done yet! How do we reward strong counterpicks? Simple, we make a second score system that takes that into account. For each matchup, the characters score points equal to their chance of winning multiplied by their opponent's base score. So, if we have the 36% matchup from earlier but the opponent was a strong character with 20 base points, they'll earn 7.2 points. We also add on the square of the character's base score. This is so strong characters don't get screwed over by the fact the mirror matchup can never be better and 0.5-0.5. Finally, we tally up these new points for every matchup and that's the total score!

The chipp zanuff thing actually makes a little bit of sense. The issue in his relevancy tends to come from what his kit is capable of versus the general mechanical environment of the game. And what I mean by that: It has insane combo potential, and the raw number of hits is impressive. The over all damage however, is nominally balanced, if a little low depending on who you ask. Versus any players from what I'll say is. Maybe floor 8/9 up however, everyone tends to have pretty consistent set play and game plans they're trying to execute on. And they have damage that isn't as low/more options, whereas Chipp has to play in rush down, and that's his ONLY option. The end result has probably created both a small Chipp player base, AND, Chipp Players who treat his skill set like musical instruments. I.E.: "You don't practice until you're perfect, you practice until you stop making mistakes." Creating this over all match up spread that skews his position, because the lack of players + high skill is creating a skewed data distribution.

There was a missed opportunity to make a lab coat android21 while you were on the lab coat

Bridget is a super interesting result here, as I don’t agree she’s bad atm, but i definitely see how she got here. Difficult to optimise damage, a midrange character with reasonable hurtboxes, low health, a very unique gameplan and, as you said, a large player base. Any combination of these factors could’ve done this to our girl, but hey, let’s get her boosted for the jokes Patch Notes Update: Ladies and Gentlemen, we got em

My friend is a #62 Bridget on Rating Update (well, last time I checked he was anyway). From watching his games it feels like bridget doesnt have extremely bad matchups against most of the cast, she just has an extremely bad matchup against 6P

I really enjoy playing against Bridgets. Using 6P has never been more fun.

Both Testament and Bridget really aren't as bad as the matchup spread makes them seem imo

Faust main here,completely expecting its him or pot Edit: YEAH BABY THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. I play with 2 of my friends regularly besides going to tournaments and one of them mains ram and the other mains gio. Typically it goes ram beats faust, faust beats gio, gio beats ram. However no matter how bad my boy gets it, I still love my funny bag boy, especially since my secondary is Zato and, while I live playing him, he requires me to use 2 of my braincells Which is a big problem because I only have 1. Also, absolutely love these videos, so much research is calculated and a lot of these go super in depth. Always love coming back to these vids. Great job on these

Testament is funny being so low cause they’re actually very strong right now. The thing is that they’re matchups require a lot of strategy required to tackle the matchups consistently. Especially against characters like Ky since stun dipper literally destroys testaments autopilot. And also having below average defense makes them more easily run over by characters with higher damage/return

I actually called the bridget reveal when you started listing the usual suspects- I really love playing her, but it can feel genuinely scary trying to start offense with her when 6P can ruin her whole career. That said, YOU ALL SAW IT, JACK-O IS THE MOST BALANCED CHARACTER IN STRIVE. I'm going to keep that in my back pocket for anyone complaining about silly Halloween girl.

having my only character played in the tower being faust made me decide tiers aren't real

Testament being so low makes a whole lot of sense, they are basically a Ramlethal who requires more set-up to get started and as a result not many people play them still wont stop my friends to complain about them tho.

I had the hands ready when you hinted Pot at being bottom, leave us glue eaters command grab in peace lmao

You’re so underrated you have taught me so much about dbfz, ggst, and just fighting games as a whole. Keep doing what you’re doing. (I know I sound like a bot but I’m not so f@$k off)

Haven’t watched the vid yet, gonna guess testament. Testament’s victory condition of stain state really doesn’t give them the victory. Edit: Bridget makes perfect sense. She is a set play mix up with low damage. The other mix up characters all can go straight into their mix with no delay and get more value out of it.

Chipp is a sleeper bracket assassin CONFIRMED. Also keep that spreadsheet, because once the patch shakes up the power levels of the tiers you might wanna plug the new numbers in.

My guess for why bridget is struggling in this setting is due to her being just still fairly new to the point most of the top players havent fully solved her or settled on moving to her, while also from what I've generally heard, the consesus being she's mid-low tier. Which makes Sin being so high even weirder since he's so new, maybe because of some early games of people being knowledge checked on not knowing the matchup helped boost him?

Would love to see this method being applied to seasaon 3 stuff now. Great and interesting vid! Getting into GGST atm and love your channel a lot :D

I'm a Pot player and I already don't consider him to be THE worst so I kinda' was just along for the ride on this one, glad to see you're experiencing and possibly also having fun with making the video and testing this new format. Danganronpa music as BGM was a delight too. Also hi o/ and thank you for your video

I have a theory about brisket. Many casuals are picking up basket, and loosing because basment needs to be right 2-3 times more due to her low hp and guts. Add in her tricky combo game and 2 step neutral, casuals struggle to succeed with her.

Enjoyed this style of video. Made me laugh. Good stuff

I wanna put up a more detailed explanation as to why Jacko beats Bridget so hard. The worst offender to Bridgets gameplan is Jackos Shields. Unlike axl, Bridget is a lot more predictable with her long range moves. Despite shield being really good against big ass pokes and whatnot, versus axl, its really hard to gauge when to shield versus him. Versus Bridget however, way too easy. Giving jacko an advantage constantly. Bridget has to put in an offence and stay super close range in order to have a good chance. If the jacko does not use shield, the matchup is suddenly normal. The threat of shields puts Bridget in such a scared situation. She cannot do anything, her moves are reactable to shield against. She has to go for a no-mixup mixup with a throw. And as a jacko who loves to use shield, I have a gameplan ready for that as well. Resulting in Bridget absolutely not able to do anything. You would think closer range characters would have a hard time versus shields, but the fact of the matter is, they wont throw out attacks so easily while bridget does. Same with testament to a degree, even Ram falls prey to shields. Yet she and other characters still have an in that keeps Jacko on her toes. Bridget does not. Literally, Bridgets best approach so far in my opinion is to burst versus jacko, and skate into jacko. Jacko does not have enough time to put down a minion and shield. If jacko bursts tho, she does. Goldlewis, a character who can 1-shot Jacko absolutely denies Goldlewis, and yet Goldlewis has some methods to bypass Jackos Shields. Il say it again. Bridget, cannot. Many other characters, yes. Bridget, no.

I'm a Faust main, and I'm also a noob. I was screwed from the select screen.

Hey man I just wanted to say congrats on clocking in almost 700 hours, thats some real gamer shit that I'm not even close to competing with. Good job Gekko!

Like wtf , crazy amount of work. Great vid

What's the list of background music used in this video? Sounds like I've heard of them before

You should link the spreadsheet. It would be cool to check out.

goddamit brisket nation we need to catch up

I don't even play guilty gear but Pot seems like the actual candidate from what I've seen so far. I mean you need to eat glue and perfectly calculate how to land only one good move that in your movelist.

I think that an interesting way to maybe squeeze a little bit more accuracy out of this would to instead of giving the more popularly decided "op" characters a boost, you effect the numbers based on pick rate, so if you have a really good matchup against a highly picked character that you're more likely to come across randomly online, you'd have a higher rank, and lower for the opposite.

I play chipp and anji. chipp seems about right. When i lose i always feel like its a skill issue, because i have more options than the opponent. Usually though, i just cant adapt in matches because i die so quickly. have to constantly watch replays to figure out what was happening.

Love the background music choice

Man the Danganronpa and Ace Attorney music in the background really adds a lot!

17:18 the person you're fighting is called Amongus enjoyer 💀

I'm honestly not surprised with how brisket ended up. Every single time I fight one I feel like they just get steamrolled. Seemed like a really fun character but never felt like they were strong

Would love to see an update of this in a few months give or take, would be interesting to see how things have changed! Some bad characters have gotten some good changes and some formerly good characters got put in the forever box

I am totally using this to prove that I am godlike with testament. I always knew they were bottom tier and that I was just better than everyone else. This is the proper use of a tier list.

what is the average of the points on the characters?

My initial guess for lowest was Faust, but he came up earlier in the video, along with Testament, another one I was suspicious might be low (and together two of my favorite three characters, alongside Ramlethal). So after those were eliminated, I tried to think of a character who might actually be lowest. Bridget occurred to me for a moment and I almost voted then, but I held back, thinking that I didn't have any actual evidence for that and from all I've heard she's pretty alright. I figured I must be wrong and decided to just keep watching to see who it actually is. Turns out it was actually Bridget. Well then. I wonder what's going on there, because, yeah, that seems odd.

Thx for helpin me get into Strive

I always knew I was hard carried by my main but 14 points wow but a think I try to remember when rating characters is the skill level a charachter like pot for example would mostly likely be top tier if in groep of players that never played a fighting game before but will fall the higher the skill level

Do you use Shin Megami Tensei music in your videos?

I need tô know How to actualy combo with bridget, i Just keep playing neutral and poking them when i definitly could bê doing some damage

Did he give us a link to this spreadsheet?

Id love to see you do this again it's entertaining to watch. Also your voice reminds me of rabbidluigi

Goood job, very interesting!

Oh hell yeah this filming format was very fun tho

As a certified Potemkin buster I got scared for a sec

Hey what music do you use and also am I hearing Danganronpa music in the background

A few weeks ago I checked out these MU charts and when I saw Bridget and went “oh. Oh hell nah I can’t take these seriously from a balance perspective”

can we have an updated version, pleeease...

In the year of our lord 2022, with all the tierlist videos in here, you're one of the few if not only ones that actually does a proper tier list. thank you+

Since when did you have a greenscreen

I think it's because, as you said about Bridget. She's a casual character. If casual players are fighting more seasoned players, this would definitely alter the spreadsheet results

If I were to guess, Ram is one of those characters whose broken stuff is relatively easy to use, so while she's busted at mid and high levels of play, once you hit the very top other players can use their characters more difficult broken stuff and make her less relevant. AKA, Ram being mid is a side effect of only looking at the top 100

As a ky player im happy that he is so high in this list it gives me confidence in my ky

Happy Chaos of course

Its really funny having tier discussions with my friends who are significantly less invested in the game than I am. I'm playing Pot (generally considered bad by everyone) and they'll tell you he's mid to high tier. A friend of mine plays Ram but refuses to block and kind of just flails far slash heavy slash and everyone thinks she's weak. I think its all about your perception and what you see out of other players that informs your own personal feelings. This is a more "scientific" approach but it's still colored by which top players are on which characters and popularity. How "solved" a character is also plays into this a ton too. HC was considered bad until steady aim loops were found

My genuine guess as to who bottom 1 is in this particular list, is Bridget. Her health and damage and reliance on mixups makes most of her matchups pretty volitile EDIT: fucking called it. I-no and Millia ALSO being so low speaks to how this method generally doesn't favor Brisket's archetype of "mix you into the dirt, but if you hit me once I'm dead" because that character archetype's match-ups will generally be SUUUPER volatile. This also makes Brisket a bad tournament character, which means she isn't played by a ton of top players which leads to more people around my skill level getting counted in the top 100

Sick, the 3 characters I like the most, I-no, Anji and Bridget are all here. WHAT THE FUCK IS MY TASTE????

I 100% firmly believe brisket is so low because of the wave of trans women who have never played a fighting game but love the basket so they walk into the flames

i don't even play strive.. (last one was midnight carnival) but i do love your videos about ggx xD.

Gecko really said "yo, block this mix" and threw this at us

I had a feeling it was Brisket and there it was.

Ironically I clicked on this video to see where Bedman, Asuka and Johnny were placed, but since this was made before their release, I figured I'd stick around anyway to watch this vid! Very fun watch 😂

Is It axl? Or Leo?

We should get another one of these at the end of season 3

It made me happy to hear chipp was so high on the lists, I love his fast attack style.

My guess from the start of the video was either Faust or Goldlewis (and I say that as a Faust main).

I worked out the exact percentages according to the top 1000 players as of 1/22/2023 and the top 3 characters are GoldLewis #1(+2.4%), Axl #2(+2.1%), and JackO #3(+1.9%) and the bottom 3 characters are Bridget #22(-4.6%), Sin #21(-3.1%), and Happy Chaos #20(-2.6%). Edit: percent correction (The percent represents the average win rate advantage or disadvantages across the cast with data from the top 1000 players in each character and correcting based on elo rank) 1/21/2023

Huh. Interesting... I mained Faust when I played, and kept hearing how bad he was in the tier lists. Doesn't look like his Match-ups have improved much.

19:56 my guess is Pot…he’s my main, I’m new to GG and picked him cuz I thought he looked cool, finally decided to switch up and I’m loving Baiken! Edit: wtf!?!? Bridget!?!?!

WTF I was hopping that Zato were in bottom

Wow, that was unexpected!

I think the reason Bridget is so low is because her top 100 players are worse players. The reason for that being that when she released, she was okay, not amazing and not terrible, so there wasn't much reason for super high level players to drop their characters and pick her up.

Better question where the hell is bedman??

BRIDGET?! THATS LIKE MY WORST MATCH

comedic timing on the chipp bit

Oh boy cant wait for the comments on this video!

I’m surprised you were soo surprised at Chipp being high up, I mean sure it’s surprising that he’s number two here, but recent discourse has had most people thinking he’s high tier. Bridget certainly might be pretty bad to just off of risk reward, but she’s far better than -19. I don’t think there are a lot of good players playing Bridget and she isn’t one of the easier characters on the roster to pilot well. I also think the newness of Bridget is still hurting her rating update stats to some degree.

First time ive seen you and you look pretty good

I finally feel vindicated as an I-no main when Nagos crush my ass in Tower LOL. Love your content man!

As long as best girl Bridget isn't bottom one I'll be happy

Give her back her Yo-Yo Roger moves and then Bridget will be ballin

Dang, should have commented my guess. I was so on the fence but Bridget was gonna be my guess

sound mixing happened.

Bridget needs buffs to survive on Celestial floor.

21:27 Im a Jacko player and Bridget is one of the most annoying characters to deal with and Im supposed tp have a 7.5 - 2.5 matchup? What am I doing wrong? 😆

Faust main here but damn i dont even feel that bad

I play testament and thought they were atleast mid tier so bottom 5 is a big surprise.

The danganronpa music just gave me a lot of nostalgia ngl, I don't really even care about the list, just like the music and funny number go brrrr

so i usually just play with friends locally or online, and we have come to the conclusion that axl and sol are one of the strongest characters, whilst happy chaos is the weakest. my whole worldview was just shattered into pieces

Eh I'm confident they were planning on buffing all dlc aside the crazy ones

Poor Basket 🥺

Bridget has every tool but damage...

You are not alone in your Ky opinions If there are no Ky haters left in the world I am dead

I called Ky for third place as a joke wtf Edit: I GUESSED BRIDGET FOR LAST PLACE AS A JOKE TOO WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING

I like the new style. Try experimenting a bit with it, you can always return to your old style.