Just wanna declare something, ministhar shud be the meta fighter because he's one of the best hero who can counter blink heroes like ling, fanny, roger and more. Its just not many player cannot see his full potential as a combo hero with another aoe hero

I actually like minsitthar but sometimes I feel his not dealing any damage that's why I usually play him as a tank. I really think they should buff DMG,add DMG to his ult when upgrading and revamp or change his passive it might be too much but I really think he needs it🙂. Edit:Thanks for the likes and opinions/comments.

Minsitthar Main here, so proud he's finally entering the spotlight. But I do agree his damage is very weak compared to other fighters. Not only that he's fairly squishy too. So I make his build a mix of fighter and tank with assassin emblem for additional crit damage. Edit: I agree too that even tho his hook passes through minions, it has a very short range and very slow execution. Heroes with dash or blink skills easily escape it and makes it almost obsolete. Another one I agree with Elgin is that his Ult's damage does not increase. Overall he's a pretty decent hero for team fights, but he really lacks a lot of things especially in damage and skill wise.

Thank you Elgin! I have always wondered what a Minsitthar was and thanks to you, I know now what they look like and what they do!! Thank you!

He's actually my first go-to fighter in the game, and I still use him sometimes. It's just that when he was first released, he was almost immediately followed by Khufra so his ability to disable blinks is never appreciated enough. Also, given his skillset and passive, he exists better as a support in teamfights, not as a solo fighter.

The problem with him is everything basically Damage, terribly slow skills, His ult can easily be escaped since it's not really that big unless they make it like a pull skill where everyone comes to center alittle bit

i think he would be picked more if they changed his roles to tank/support , increased his hp and defense scaling and buffed his 1st skill to have a faster animation than Franco's

As minsitthar main, i can say tht he can be pretty good for being exp or roamer. When you become exp make sure to keep making the enemy busy with you in lane so they will not roam to mid and wipe your team out and secure turtle, it is important to keep them busy with you because it is usually really hard to clear wave faster than enemy. For me i just build thunder belt as core item and endless battle for extra damage (abuse the true damage as well as you can) and the rest is defense item. And i also recomended using tank emblem with brave smite talent, just slap your enemy with 2ns skill every 8 second than you get 7% hp, also the shield from tht skill can pretty much usefull to keep your enemy bussy at you. As roamer he can easly catch enemy with first skill + fliker combo, then use ult and the other skill to abuse thunder belt passive and slow down your enemy if you do it right he can hold the enemy at least 6 second in your ult area. In short he is really good in team fight because of his cc skill, but when become exp laner its hard to cath up with enemy if they clear lane fast and roam to other lane. And also it is really hard to do combo if you not have thunder belt or other skill tht can slow down enemy inside ult area.

My thoughts about Minsittar: Passive: The passive which is giving each teammate some gold every time he gets a kill and gains some gold if the teammate get a kill is useful for SUPPORT. I honestly don't know why that's his passive. He is a fighter role. First Skill: It's more difficult to aim this skill than franco's hook. The slow animation, shorter range, and sometimes you hit the enemy but unsuccessfully hook it makes it annoying to use it. You have to come closer to enemy and THEN predict the enemy's movement. If the skill has slightly longer range, it would be ok enough. Second Skill: Stunning the enemy is good alright, but sometimes knocking back really far to other enemies is quite useless in some situation. I played Minsitthar to practice, I was able to catch my enemy with my first skill and use second skill to stun it BUT there was a minion in front of the enemy. Therefore, the enemy got knockback and run away. Additionally, it has shorter range. and IT IS SO SHORT. one slightly wrong angle and you failed. Ult Skill: The ult skill is the only skill I find Minsitthar useful, you can jump to the enemy so they cannot flick or use blink/dash skills, you can gain additional physical and magic defense, and can be helpful to kill the enemy with your teammate. The only problem I found is the four clones' damage are depend on your physical attack. So their damage would be so low if you are using tank build. Also, you cannot increase it's attack speed. Which I wish they can added. (Like each clones can benefit 15% attack speed.) Items: I played several matches using Minsitthar but honestly IDK what is the right one. If I use full damage build, I would be an easy target since I have lack of dash/blink skills. If I use hybrid build, Both my damage and defense would be just decent. If I use marksman build (Full attack speed) then my basic attacks are my sources of damage. Full tank/support build would be the only option.

He's not really much of a fighter, more of a tank/support. However, there are plenty more heroes who are better at tanking/supporting than him, so, why use him at all. Maybe they can revamp his skills by giving more damage for every point of defense, similar to Grock. Or make skill damage scale better.

I know minsitthar since he's the one that id mostly pick when i first started Mobile Legends(ML), and its quite nice hearing that he's being showcased by you. And i havent used him for YEARS

I'm a Minsitthar main and been using him since release, He has a good cc and anti mobility kit , so more of a support tank but can also be glasscannon

Minsitthar is a really overpowered hero if used properly. Minsitthar Damage Build: Op Build: -Warrior or Tough Boots -Blade of Heptaseas -Blade of Despair -Endless Battle -Scarlet Phantom/Berserker's -Berserker's Fury/ Scarlet Phantom Combo: 1st skill when hit use 2nd skill to stun then use 3rd and do some basic attacks. use 2nd skill if they still in your range again if the skill is available if they escape drag them back with 1st skill. Recommended Emblem: Assassin/Fighter I prioritized upgrading the: Ult Skill first then the 2nd and lastly the 1st Battle Spells: Flicker, Execute or Inspire Recommended Battle Spell: Inspire (cause of the lifesteal and armor reduction) this good if you wanna play Minsitthar as a Damage Dealer. Tips: If the enemy already in the range of your 2nd skill don't use the 1st skill only use it when they trying to escape. I like how his first skill can pass through minions and creeps making it easier to hook enemies.

Not just all that, but also his hook, there are always often times that you do hit the enemies but it doesn’t actually hook them since they’re either at the edge or to the side of the 1st skill..

Me lembro como se fosse ontem... era a Season 18, estava de benedetta (meu antigo main, o qual alcancei top estadual) e a segunda maior surra que já levei foi contra o Misintar... a primeira foi contra o Kaja. Excelente vídeo! O Brasil te acompanha também!

My bf is a Minsi main and to be fair, we do win a lot of games when our teammates let him play the tank role, but he can also dominate the exp lane if you master him completely and know how to use the combo. Very very weak damage but with his ult, cc and petrify, the enemy can’t escape that easily if you managed to hook them into the turret, plus he’s a headache to Harley player or any other blink heroes. Quite fun to have an experienced Minsitthar in your team, but is best as a tank in exp lane or roam, otherwise too squishy imo. I feel like he’d be on the top tier list if he received a proper buff.

Minsitthar: being forgotten Terizla: Finally a worthy opponent

"He never really shined throughout his MLBB life" ,Actually he's the first real counter to Fanny when she was if not one the most powerful heroes, It's just that Khufra was released and outshined him in terms of effectivity.

Thank for highlighting my best hero. His good on dash heroes except Benedetta. Good at early game and tank his not a fighter he locks combo damage

He is adapted from Myanmar king named Kyansittha.I like enjoy playing him time to time.He has alot of cc skills and he can play in offlane and also as a roamer as well.🌸

Minsitthar is a forgotten hero but honestly he's a good counter To those heroes who count on thier blinking Skills Edit: Especially Ling. Lancelot. And Benedetta.

Minsi is more like a support, building him with attack items only increases his shield form skill 2 rather than giving him damage

"History has long forgotten me" -Terizla

One of my favorite heroes.

I think one problem is that minsi skills are sometimes inconsistent. His first skill is slower, compared to Franco hook, hence easier to dodge. His second skill is also awkward, because sometimes, you stun your enemy, but sometimes it is just shoving it away. His ult is fine tho since it counter blink heroes

Elgin: Why can't someone use the hero "minisitthar" in the game? Me: "His mana may be decreasing at times, and his skills may need to be adjusted."

Minsithar is the shy, lonely boy sitting in the corner of the classroom.

I love mins, just wish they would do something about him and I would definitely use him more often ❤️

As a user of Minsi occasionally, I think the problems are the following: - Minsi has almost no damage compare to other fighters or even tank and support, even though you build him attack items. - Minsi is not as tanky as other tanks or fighters even though you build him defensive items. - Minsi has short stun on second skill and it has kinda long cooldown compare to other tanks or fighters, some fighters and tanks can stun you like forever and can do it over and over again. - Minsi's hook rarely caught anyone since it can be easily avoided and it has a short range. - Minsi's Ult almost do nothing except anti-dash which an be easily avoided since some dash heroes has immunity and movement speed boost. - Sometimes Minsi can help enemies escape since he can only stun one and push back others so if a low enemies was push back they can easily escape and sometime it pushes enemies outside his Ult. This is just my experience with him...

For me the only good part of Minsithar is about the pull/hook because it ignores the god forsaken minions on the way. If you play Franco you will understand how it feels.

As a minsitthar main since 2017, I'd say his role is to support in early game while try to give some damage output during mid and late game. He also is a good sustain due to his 2nd ability you should try spamming it by combining fighter and tank items.

Buff: Skill 1: Faster animation Skill 2: Auto lock skill Ultimate: Bigger range And add more mobility to this Hero, because meta tank heroes this day have good mobility

I used to main this hero when he was launched in the official server. I sometimes use him as a substitute tank in rank mode because of his skill set being a great counter for blink heroes.

Minsittar would actually be in the meta if he had more damage on his ulti, and has a pull effect that pulls enemies to the center, faster hook animation, longer and wider range on his skill 2, and maybe a movement speed boost if he lands his skill 2, and hook, reason why he would be good in the meta is because he counters heroes like lance who has a lot of dash skills, can render flicker useless because of the no dash debuff, that makes him effective against marksman like Clint, brody, and other marksman that arent basic attack reliant, has a dash skill, and prefers to use flicker instead of inspire,his ultimate is useful in teamfights restricting the enemies position and movement by silencing their dash skills, and even flicker,marksman wont be able to reposition themselves, and if they were able to, theyd get pulled by minsittars hook.

The first two skills are fine, the main way to fix him is pretty simple, give his Ultimate a slow effect, or maybe even give the troops during his ultimate scaling, in a way that they can borrow minsitthars attack speed, making them attack faster

Glad Moonton noticing him, he will revamp him soon

When Khufra was Meta in my region and was getting banned, whenever enemy picked Lance Ling Gus Chou, we picked Minsi to counter, not to mention he can stop any enemy from escaping with dash, he's also a Hard counter for paquito who is a Meta laner/Jungler now. He is a counterpick hero

I love using Minsi! Back when I was in low rank I like to use him as a fighter but he doesn't really have that damage. I now use him as a tank/roamer. I honestly forgot his passive but now it's clear why I always notice I get more gold when getting kills and assists. I guess I should read more :3

How could I forget my main fighter, my main daily driver in climbing ranks

I like him he has everything I want . Counter blink , hook , stun ♥️. Perfect !!!!

He definitely needs to get reworked. I got to master him when he was still new but after that I never really used him unless it's either him or an assassin that I have to choose during a brawl match and yes I use him as a tank/support for his control skills as well.

Tbh it's not his hook that I find hard about him but instead his 2nd skill landing his hook is actually quite easy with the help of flicker but his 2nd is harder because it can only stun one target and also unnecessarily pushes the enemies around the one that was stunned plus the target can also be a jungle creep and a minion so in exp lane stunning the enemy is hard since you can stun the minions and accidentally push the enemy I also agree with him lacking damage it's the reason why playing him as a roamer is more fun and better than playing him as an exp laner

at the thumbnail i recognized minsitthar because i still play him with my friends

The big glaring issues are slow ability cast and the fact that you can damage enemies with the hook but if there at the very end it won't pull them, unlike frankos you can be a foot off and still hook.

Elgin: Do you remember him now? Me who is a Burmese player: Always has been 🤧🥲 He was my one of my favorite hero before many meta heroes released. I would love to play again after his revamp. But the new design doesn't look like our real King. I prefer the old design 👑

I love minsithar and have played him in the side lane and tank role recently. When you build him with 1 attack item like endless or war axe and then breastplate and defensive items, he can pretty much kill mages and marksmen when you land a combo, if you build him tank you are pretty much a cc nightmare for enemies and the anti dash ult really limits heroes like fanny, wanwan, ling and many more very annoying opponents. But if you dont get to scale along with your counterpart in lane or arent effective with your roams as tank, minsithar kinda falls off easily because he easily gets overwhelmed when underleveled and under itemed. If they were to buff him i think faster skill animations specially his first, so that its still efective even if you are in battle and not setting up an ambush. Or additional movement speed on his second skill or ultimate so that you can better chase and get that passive to proc more.

perfect example of backliner tank

My first favorite fighter he’s fun and easy to play, sucks that he didn’t really become popular. His ult is a menace to every dashing hero, particularly every assassin that ever existed.

I'm a mage main and whenever there's a need of tank against blinking heroes, Minsi is the answer and often I get MVP.

Tips for playing minsithar if u use pertrify: Use petrify first then second skill, beacause petrify has quicker animation so its easier to hit with second skill if u always miss

Yes the slow hook animation is the problem. And also the ultimate isn't as anti dash as it seems cause tons of heroes has burst movement skills.

That kimmy part got me 🤣🤣🤣

Elgin: Who is this hero? Me: I'm gonna make sure you remember his name. Edit: He's pretty good when paired with other anti dash heroes, such as Phoveus, Khufra and Akai (Akai can activate Phoveus' ult and can also push the enemies to the anti dash team)

I used Minsitthar before, the most annoying thing that his skill can be easily dodged by enemy heroes

I think this is the start of minsithar getting a good revamp

I played Minsittar recently and kind of experimented the ideal build for him. Now, I played him as a tank/support with "encourage" roam blessing.

He's a good counter against dashing heroes, but so is Phoveous. Smashing enemies and gaining a lot of shield. Take note that his skill cd lowers whenever enemies around dash. I would prefer Phoveus over him, build CoD and Ice queen Wand, and he can be unstoppable. I love watching enemies having a hard time deciding if they'll just run or dash.

Minssithar is my favourite because he used to counter ling and fanny

I would boost 3 things of him: 1. Passive. When ahead gain the normal stats when behind get the double amount. This can be a game changer in late game. 2. His ult needs to deal more dmg or do more slow and more protection. This can be aquired by faster attack speed of the guards, or changing to HP based dmg. The protection just like 30/40/60 and half for teammates and slow 40% instead of 20% 3. The dmg on skill 1 and 2 just not extra attack dmg but total physical attack dmg. But this is not important. If his ult and passive get a boost it is already enough.

Minsi's probably a forgotten hero but not for me and for those who knows he's the best counter hero for heroes with dash/blinking skills aside from Phoveus. But for me, I wish Moonton would conduct a revamp for this hero like Sun. His four guards are moving but with the same effect. As long as those guards and him are attacking the enemy hero with blinking abilities, that hero won't be able to dash. 2nd skill is okay but as for the 1st skill perhaps they should add a bit of its range for a greater chance of hooking enemy heroes. Thanks for making this vid of Minsi btw Boss Elgin. Stay safe and God bless

I always use Minsitthar in Rank games whenever there is a great setter and He deals a lot of damage to marksman who have any blink skills,it would be great if he had a revamp Special tip: Focus on assist not on kill if you are gonna use Minsitthar,It will be easier if you help them kill in order you will have lots of gold

I prefer playing minsitthar as a tank because he has good crowd control skills and also with tanky builds, you can last in team fights longer.

I bought him and the only thing is a regret😌 like you said He's not a solo hero and his hooks is very predictable and short. Can't wait to use again once the Moonton revamp him.

minishitar now is over peowered by the arrival of new heroes i remember when i play classic games way back 2019 2018 there was minishitar always in my team i hope he will get revamp soon

Minsi's amount of emotional damage due to his ults ineffectiveness -Passive dashes can't be affected (wanwan, alu,ruby) -Immune skill heroes can still dash on his ult (lance for example, dunno about benedetta's ult but both have immune) -His skillset is single target while his ult has this huge aoe (basically contradicting the purpose of the ult) -Does not stop dash animations

He's strong but his so underrated in this metaಠ︵ಠ

Finally someone care about Minsithar. He's my main like almost half of the match's I played

faramis: FINALLY IM NOT FORGOTTEN NOW

Theory: Minsitharr was created to stop harith from destroying the meta, but since he was nerfed to the ground, Minsitharr then served almost no purpose but only to other heroes with multiple blink skills.

I find him more as a tank/support then a fighter since most of my matches playing as him- I find myself using him as a roamer more, since his skill is almost completely CC based, with a passive that give him gold when his ally kill and his ally get gold when he kill. tell me that isn't a support ability?

They should make the ult apply on hit effects so we can have a semi-mm/semi-fighter and half tank build so he's more dependent on the damage factor which he seems to be lacking a lot, if you try to fix that problem, he'll be too squishy to stay in fights too much.

I love playing him as tank, he is so good against blink heroes , and I spam in classic as tank a lot. And it work sooo good. And he is super fun to play.. even I use him in rank sometimes but as roamer not fighter, he is super good support

Just bring back his old ultimate AOE range while he is still in advanced server and increase his AOE for his 2nd skill. And also make his 1st skill faster. Reduce his damage if you find the mentioned changes OP. He is a CC fighter like Ruby and not damage fighter like Martis

He's actually a pretty good utility fighter or a tank/ support...Trying to build damage is kind of a mistake..I Kindda go with tanky items that also have some damage..plus his ult if used properly can give u an easy time in teamfights...HE KINDDA SUCKS AS A FIGHTER BUT IS A GREAT SUPPORT...But tbh they should just change his role to support

I play him as hybrid, and yes he's good if you have a squad rather than solo. I usually play him as tank/fighter but sometimes he can be an excellent support. Me and my squad combo him with atlas or tigreal as setters and aoe damage dealers to raise his ultimate's potential to lock enemies making then unable to escape. I think all he needs is damage buff and enhancing his 1st skill to be more decent.

Elgin:who is minsitar again? Me: a warrior of my country🇲🇲

IMHO he's neither here nor there : His damage output is not as good as other fighters, his defensive stats are not as good as other tanks, his mobility is limited, simply put there are way too many alternatives that can do a much better job than him, and picking him usually puts your team at a disadvantage. His hook is fairly usable but there's a laughable delay and the range indicator isn't optimised. His stun also comes with a delay, and its narrow hit box can cause it to miss even at ridiculously close ranges (Sometimes miss even at point blank, you gotta see it to believe it). His ult is truly great tho, but walking out of it is also fairly easy due to its rather limited aoe(Waiting for the enemies to spend their mobility skills prior to ulting helps, but really it doesn't matter as much as you'd think). I recently played a game where I saw Wan² literally leap out of my ult's aoe after using her 2nd skill(Probably during her small window of debuff immunity). Having said all that, I actually still pick him as a counter to Fanny users when Khufra is banned, because he's quite easy to use. However, take note that it still won't work well against good Fanny users. Khufra is a much better choice in almost all scenarios, if you need to stop high-mobility heroes.

Update:Demon hunter and Golden Staff bug is already fixed.

Minsi! I always use him when my team uses a franco and a zilong xD

I actually liked this hero because of this video, minsittar is flexible as a tank, and he fulfill he's role as an initiator better than other initiators, just need a few adjustment and it's all perfect, i think this video will help for montoon realize what minsittar is capable of ✨

Woudl be good if his Ultimate effect would stay with him like floating air. OR if it like, explode and the "unblinkable" effect will last up to 5-7-9 seconds to the enemies hit.

I play him like a month ago and I had more success playing him as a Tank with CD items, just like I would play Fanco, I think that is his better role since he can reposition the enemy, has cc and durability with his shield. What need a rework is his passive. I would make it so that he gains more armor the more allies he has around or empowers his allies and himself with more dmg the more they are, working also with his soldiers from the ultimate(like the roamer equipment but better)

No. He remains forgotten.

Even as an offlaner I go for tank build... Cursed Helmet, Thunderbelt, and build CDR Items etc so I can spam his 2nd skill for constant stun and shield. I can literally handle any fighter in side lane. Though he can't kill/push still you can defend your tower and lane against even 3 heroes if you play wise. However playing alongside heroes who have good damage (early and late) is the key. Wait for abushes and push lanes through minions. After mid game I switch to "Guard Mode" where I just focus on protecting our main damage dealer and literally nothing else... :D Just solo queue things

They should add immobilize on the edge of the ulti like yve. Second skill needs to be a little fast or locked skill. First skill visual bug fix is essential.some times it hits but doesn't pull target.passive should be when inside the ulti attack speed and attack increased plus 30/40 percent damage reduction.

I really like his passive the free gold you get just from playing the game is too 😊

I always using Minsithar when I want to do a fighter tank, I boost his Cool-down reduction and defense, then some slowing items, it is my favorite fighter. I think I can cast 5-6 stun and hooks every clash if my cd reduc maxes.

Minsitthar has alot of escape skills, but there are alot of problems with him, these are the cons by the way. 1. His slow animation from his first skill, the enemy has a bit of time to react before he land his first skill on them. 2. His ultimate. His ultimate will be useless because the enemy can easily escape when he doesn't place his ultimate properly, 3. He is weak in any build. 4. He can be squishy building him attack build, especially when the enemy has alot of good burst skills. 5. He is easy to catch off guard, this is when your allies are either dead or far away from you, when you don't land your second and ultimate properly on them, there's a chance that the enemy can kill you since you didn't land your skills properly to them. This is the Pros now 1. He can catch high mobility heroes by chance 2. His ultimate won't allow the enemies to use their spells and skills. (Idk about regen) 3. He has a stun that gives him a time to kill that squishy hero. 4. He is tanky in tank build. He can be always built in tank build because he is tanky and giving his allies a chance to go to their bankline Idk

Funny thing is that, I didn't really noticed the presence of wanwan until she got the SAVAGE

A Spartan skin would fit for this guy

Minsittar is very versatile. His strength are team fighting and lockdown a hero. His passive makes him the ideal roamer where he benefits from both killing and his team getting kills which can give him an advantage on the enemy roamer. As a EXP laner he is very slow and is better duo in exp or roaming. His bread and butter is that ult, but its very situational and in exchange for that he gains a lot of defense from using it and staying in it. Here I want to adjust ministrar so that he’s used more often: his passive should be kept the same but it give more gold if ministrar gets the kill, or If it is going to be changed then make it so he increases Ally def and res based of his assists and doubled if it’s a kill, as a king that fights with his troops he should boost their morale. His first skill can be kept the same but I believe the stun should be instant like Franco’s hook, not be delayed after it hits the target. In retrospect that’s probably why the stun is delayed, to travel it’s full distance and pull, but it should still be faster. His shield bash should give him more shield if he uses it inside his ult to make him even more tanks while that’s up. Finally I think his ult should be a pseudo-suppression effect so that ALL blink AND immunity skills are blocked. This ult is completely useless against Ling ult/Ruby/Wanwan/Lancelot ult, to name a few who can completely immune his ult. His ult should make him basically invincible when he uses it and should be a real punishing move, but most heros in this game can just get out or have built in immunes that nullify him. If I had to change his ult, I would make the guards follow him with him in the center and either add 1 more guard and lower the damage and make the guards lower defense or magic resistance. I want him to at this point get less damage and more defense and utility to his team. I want him to rebuff the enemies while buffing his allies.

He's pretty good actually ... he's a unsung unpopular counter for assassin dash hero ...the shield from his skill 2 is actually quite nice if you left w 1 HP , his shield can be helpful for his survivability... overall after using him several matches , he can counter many meta hero and maybe if moonton fix his skill 1 to be more precise maybe he'll be more popular pick

i was just playing julian just now and i was fighting minsitthar and i can tell you one thing, minsi is a great counter for julian cause of his third skill, i can't do a full combo since i can't use my second skill (dash) and i was just food for him

I actually play him in rank as a fighter. He's really strong tbh. You can just keep poking the enemies with the 1st and 2nd skill until they're low enough to kill them with 1 3 2 combo. Well, if you're confident enough with your damage, then just use 1 3 2 immidiately. I recommend Blade of Heptasis for more damage when poking.

Yeah yeah my minsitthar its always a tank build for me anti assassin/fighter or any hero who rely on blink skills...but sadly a lot of players doesn't know about this hero specialty and sometimes doesn't know this hero exist😕

Minsitthar is one of my favorite heroes, no one can see the potential of this hero because most players focus on damage and kills, but they never realized that simple crowd control effects are very deadly to enemies. almost every play I use Minsitthar and I always win thanks to his crowd control. one of the underrated but one of the best

Minsi is actually a good hero because of his kit that really benefits teamfights and a lot of players cannot manage to play him right and well (I usually build 1st item as corrosion scythe to match up with his low dmg +to utilize his ULT in 1v1 situations) considering his passive that gives gold, this hero is really more capable of being support/tank than being in the sides

I’m excited for his upcoming revamp, hopefully they make him stronger

Meanwhile me who is a minshittar main: *PAIN*

every time elgin dies: " i think another problem with minsitthar..."