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This week on Saturday Social, Joe & Smithy are joined by Lyes & Laurence Mckenna. Ahead of this weekend’s derby between Manchester United & Liverpool, we get our guests to pick the ultimate all time combined XI from the two Premier League giants… who will make the team?
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@ImJimmyC
@ImJimmyC Ай бұрын
It's actually a decent discussion, unlike last weeks shambles
@I..I237
@I..I237 Ай бұрын
exactly this is the only combined XI i found fare
@dagzey
@dagzey Ай бұрын
there's nothing decent about combined 11's they are the lowest form of content
@neoengerer6636
@neoengerer6636 Ай бұрын
what i come to the comments to write
@safe3220
@safe3220 Ай бұрын
It's because they had actual reasoning rather than just ''he's won this, he's won that''.
@WazzleRaTazzle
@WazzleRaTazzle Ай бұрын
Because they’ve actually got two people on who have rational football takes for once 😂
@samlasley798
@samlasley798 Ай бұрын
No Dennis Irwin *Roy Keane wants to know your location*
@rLxJake
@rLxJake Ай бұрын
I couldn’t believe Denis Irwin wasn’t the Right back. Criminally underrated.
@SwiftGamingDk
@SwiftGamingDk Ай бұрын
the united fan has negative ball knowledge
@carwynwilliams7398
@carwynwilliams7398 Ай бұрын
@@rLxJakeLB*
@IUnited-tk2il
@IUnited-tk2il 7 күн бұрын
@@SwiftGamingDksome do but Irwin is class, deserves a spot
@j2dlyc
@j2dlyc Ай бұрын
Just looking at the strikers between these two teams is incredible. Rooney, Ruud, Ronaldo, RVP, Andy Cole, Suarez, Torres, Fowler, Owen, Salah and more. What an incredible list of talent. Rooney, Ronaldo and Suarez would be my top 3 pick, but it’s bloody hard.
@Nice1Pings
@Nice1Pings Ай бұрын
I’m a united fan but I remember the season Suarez was unplayable. Ronaldo Rooney Suarez for me
@tonsterdang
@tonsterdang Ай бұрын
Rvp didn't play long enough, his peak was at arsenal.
@suckieduckie
@suckieduckie Ай бұрын
Really? I would have gone for Ronaldo Suarez Salah.
@MartialArtsLover10
@MartialArtsLover10 28 күн бұрын
You can’t leave Salah out… yeah Suarez was amazing but so were these three Salah, Rooney and Ronaldo and these three had (Salah still has) better/longer premier league careers
@oliverjay1035
@oliverjay1035 Ай бұрын
Dennis Irwin always overlooked in these discussions it’s bizarre.
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Ай бұрын
Not really. I think it’s cool to say he was him, but I’d rather have Evra all day
@-eL--RaL-
@-eL--RaL- Ай бұрын
Black and white football 😴
@kiriakoz
@kiriakoz Ай бұрын
@@-eL--RaL- just because you don't know him doesn't mean anything.
@KK-vc6uj
@KK-vc6uj Ай бұрын
Fantastic player! Always consistent 🙏
@lfcgero35
@lfcgero35 Ай бұрын
Have to agree irwin was so underated. I would have put him in front of both Evra and Robertson if im honest.
@DiamondDaveX
@DiamondDaveX Ай бұрын
The fact Suarez didn’t even get a mention is laughable
@deslawson2662
@deslawson2662 Ай бұрын
I think Suarez might be in the top 10 players of all time
@Awesometbw9
@Awesometbw9 Ай бұрын
2 great seasons. Hard to compare
@palashrawat401
@palashrawat401 Ай бұрын
not long enough in PL
@miekaaahh
@miekaaahh Ай бұрын
​@@palashrawat401he played 100 games +
@EngYounis
@EngYounis Ай бұрын
There was Rooney. So its was him although suarez did astonoshing job in EPL
@brianeasy9220
@brianeasy9220 Ай бұрын
I can’t believe they even started the silly discussion whether CR7 or Mane is better 🤦🏻‍♂️ Kids forgot how monstrous CR7 was in his first period in MUtd It’s literally like comparing Messi and Pedro
@Mr_jz_12
@Mr_jz_12 Ай бұрын
IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. Same reason that Xabi alonso wasn't considered.
@bungooli
@bungooli Ай бұрын
it was more to have a conversation and give mane his dues, thats the point of this show, he was never arguing mane is better than cr7
@_warra_trophy_
@_warra_trophy_ Ай бұрын
@@HessenUK if their all time PL stats are almost the same, then surely we have to go with the one who had better "peak" As a TOTAL footballer, Cristiano 07/08 is probably the best version of any PL player & CR7 himself
@brettpearce8843
@brettpearce8843 Ай бұрын
Prem wise mane is though. People go on like everything Ronaldo done at Madrid was with united lmao. Also if we do that Wayne "lock your nans away" Rooney can get in the bin because Suarez as a player is miles better.
@famalam1595
@famalam1595 Ай бұрын
CR7 at United and mane is close mane at points was on the level of the best players in the world.
@jackfield4903
@jackfield4903 Ай бұрын
Irwin is the clear choice at LB and didn’t even get a mention from either of them, coming from a Liverpool fan
@isse93Z
@isse93Z Ай бұрын
The one that confuses me is Evra, honestly that guy played In 5 cl finals. Sure he only won 1 but he played in 3 finals against arguably 3 greatest versions of Barcelona of all time. In addition he played in Euros finals. He was the most gifted left back technically in PL era. Sure Robertson has more assist but it’s partly due to the fact that klopp uses a system where assist are more coming from fullbacks than central midfield. But in terms of ball handling in tight spots, press resistance Evea is the best PL era left back. Robertson is great but I think he is more a system player due to klopps way of using left backs which put in crosses all the time. But in my opinion in terms raw footballing ability Evra is even ahead of Ahshly Cole.
@UrAverageInvestor.
@UrAverageInvestor. Ай бұрын
Agree, Evra it’s has to be. Would it not be for what is most likely most unlucky draw in Cl finals this guy would have had like 4 cl gold medals. How do you even manage to time the finals against Messi, Xavi and Iniesta on three different occasion 😂
@nouryalmis3381
@nouryalmis3381 Ай бұрын
Irwin ahead of both
@jiahaogoh2822
@jiahaogoh2822 Ай бұрын
Ill take ashley cole over evra all day
@anirudhmenon9099
@anirudhmenon9099 Ай бұрын
I remember Evra was really good going forward too, great link up with Ronaldo or Giggs on the left hand side
@cbcvvmalkf9486
@cbcvvmalkf9486 Ай бұрын
There has to be a clear criteria when it comes to these combined 11's. Is it based of greatness achieved or just pure ability and skill? There are some players who are better in terms of individual ability than some players who have won more than them.
@senti2175
@senti2175 Ай бұрын
Ability means nothing if those abilities didn't helped the team achieve success in a very successful club.
@rajahamzawazarat2159
@rajahamzawazarat2159 Ай бұрын
Exactly! It always starts that way (individual players) and then when the hosts decide they base it longevity!... But, comparing retired players v active 🤣
@daysgone2997
@daysgone2997 Ай бұрын
if its medals then its all utd, how is beckham and giggs not here?
@ineverswag
@ineverswag Ай бұрын
@@HessenUK As far as a one off game or if you're building a team? Cause I don't see how you pick a ten out of ten for ten for two years if you want to have titles
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
@@daysgone2997cause they’re not as good as the others
@hamzakashif9395
@hamzakashif9395 Ай бұрын
What is the point of this debate when your deciding vote for the player is "he won __ amount of trophies and played for __ amount of years" when comparing a player that has retired to one that is still playing??? At least if your doing that debate there attributes or if you don't want to then open the debate to all time (not just pl era) and only players that have retired.
@jonathancampbell9133
@jonathancampbell9133 Ай бұрын
The point is there isn't a single utd player who'd get in a current combined team... so they turned it into a PL era XI.
@JordanWall-zi9sw
@JordanWall-zi9sw Ай бұрын
@@jonathancampbell9133Haha😂
@TheWaxenberg
@TheWaxenberg Ай бұрын
This happens everytime. Doesn't matter if a player won the league on 75 points and the other lost it on 99, the other won a trophy. Every 11 discussion is "well this guy won 5 trophies!" ok then, just end the discussion, Man Untied have won more trophies, so they should just put 11 United players Ronaldo? Should be nowhere near it, Solskjaer has double his PL titles, so should be in the team ahead of him. Van dijk? again laughable, O'shea and Evans both won more PLs, so put them in ahead.
@ankurbagai1056
@ankurbagai1056 Ай бұрын
@@jonathancampbell9133 You sure mate? Bruno Fernandes gets easily in.
@ankurbagai1056
@ankurbagai1056 Ай бұрын
Point is that since the inception of EPL, Liverpool have 0 shouts apart from Gerrard, Xabi Alonso and one single season of Luis Suarez to talk until now. Manchester United was on the top for 2 decades, they won everything possible multiple time, they played more games than any Liverpool player except Carragher and Gerrard, they had more goals, and more years as the best. Unlike Man Utd, not a single player except Gerrard and Suarez gets into the current team while in case of Manchester United you have 3 full stacked teams who would still completely wipe the teams even today in their prime.
@sVieira151
@sVieira151 Ай бұрын
"One of one two premier league players to win the Ballon d'Or" its understandable, but kinda funny, that the only other one didnt even get a mention in this video at all 😂
@danieltownley7436
@danieltownley7436 Ай бұрын
This is exactly what I thought! If that's your argument then you need to at least mention Owen. That said, even as a Liverpool fan, I can acknowledge that Owen was a bit fortunate to win the award that year.
@Starboyhhahahahahsvsbsbbssb
@Starboyhhahahahahsvsbsbbssb Ай бұрын
Nearly had a heart attack when I saw the Mane discussion. Fantastic player but he isn’t even in the same league as R7 😂
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t say it’s that bad, mane is at the bottom but there’s a discussion
@unclebensrice4702
@unclebensrice4702 Ай бұрын
​@@Deathmare235there isn't
@TheAngryAlbanian
@TheAngryAlbanian Ай бұрын
To the contrary, they’re in the exact same league. 🤓
@Ivgota
@Ivgota Ай бұрын
Please don’t refer to him as R7. There’s only one Ronaldo mate and that’s Ronaldo not Cristiano
@aron4795
@aron4795 Ай бұрын
Ah yes another guy talking about Ronaldo as if it's about their whole carreers
@robbarry6994
@robbarry6994 Ай бұрын
Mane over Ronaldo is a crazy shout
@pezzo2222
@pezzo2222 Ай бұрын
well he explained it very well
@robbarry6994
@robbarry6994 Ай бұрын
@@pezzo2222 not really explainable is it hahaha.
@robbarry6994
@robbarry6994 Ай бұрын
@@samuel1awoliyi significantly lower goal to game ratio. Not to mention the eye test just blows it out of the water hahaha. Balon dor ronaldo like cmon man. Can’t believe I’m even typing this to respond 😂
@NaodProductions
@NaodProductions Ай бұрын
they play in the same league now and ronaldo still doubles mane's G/A at 40 years old
@rammus5672
@rammus5672 Ай бұрын
​​@@samuel1awoliyi goals is hardly an arguement... Liverpool signed a prime Mane who was ripping up at Southampton while Ronaldo signed for United at 18 Once Ronaldo hit his prime he went 42 goals in a single season won back to back EPL with a UCL. It's just a shame Ronaldo had to leave when he was 24 Ronaldo Vs Mane is never a debate.
@bradley4706
@bradley4706 Ай бұрын
As a full back I prefer Robertson over Trent.
@ashwilliams4959
@ashwilliams4959 Ай бұрын
As a football fan I prefer Bradley over trent
@edvardhagerupgrieg724
@edvardhagerupgrieg724 Ай бұрын
Robertson is just a 'flying' fullback Trent is an inverted fullback
@ashwilliams4959
@ashwilliams4959 Ай бұрын
@@edvardhagerupgrieg724 trents an old school Rm, he shouldn't be a defender
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@ashwilliams4959he’s definitely an traditional rb like players like dani alves and Roberto Carlos
@bradley4706
@bradley4706 Ай бұрын
@@ashwilliams4959 cheers mate but I’m not that good at football but I appreciate the encouragement
@timmy5876
@timmy5876 Ай бұрын
a lot depends on it being prime season or longevity cus like suarez for example had the best individual season in prem history other than maybe henry but he was only at that top top level for a season or 2 at liverpool so he can’t get in over rooney if it’s based on longevity
@timmy5876
@timmy5876 Ай бұрын
@@CharlieOrd10 i’m not old enough to know i’m only 20, i know henry got something like 20 goals 20 assists tho so i can’t argue with that lol.
@timmy5876
@timmy5876 Ай бұрын
@@CharlieOrd10 ye i mean we can only go off stats, but at the same time i’m theory haaland had the best when in reality it’s not even close to all 3 we mentioned and might not even be top 5
@chesterliang1508
@chesterliang1508 Ай бұрын
no mention of nemanja vidic is mental. vidic is the most underrated footballer in the past decade. vida was the better defensive player of the pairing with ferdinand.
@SimonSimonSimon3
@SimonSimonSimon3 Ай бұрын
He was mentioned
@adityasmenon9
@adityasmenon9 Ай бұрын
The fact that it took so long for cr7 to get in over mane is itself disrespectful. Cr7 as a winger was special
@niclasrasmussen3009
@niclasrasmussen3009 Ай бұрын
If he ended up being a failure of a player at real Madrid and never became one of the greatest of all time, he wouldn’t even have been mentioned, it’s only because of Madrid he’s on this list
@bjplvsut
@bjplvsut Ай бұрын
@@niclasrasmussen3009 I see your point, but there's no denying his premier league legacy don't quote me but I think he won 3 prems in a row and a Champions League at utd and won the Balon Dor. Yes his stats arent unbelievable he was young and raw when he joined also the era was different it wasnt all stats it was actually flair and being exciting back then.
@g.g.baxter4868
@g.g.baxter4868 Ай бұрын
@@bjplvsut He was also a RW tho, hes got in on the left, as a by product of how he played at other clubs. If we are talking actually left wingers then the discussion is actually Giggs and Mane. Salah vs Ronaldo is the real discussion but its easier for both fanbases to just put them both in and argue other positions. Mane gets too much disrespect tho, id actually argue he was more important to how well Liverpool played as a team than any other player, other than maybe Allison or VVD, and ahead of Salah in that regard. Tho Salah is world class and his goals will always grab the headlines
@IA67676
@IA67676 Ай бұрын
​@@niclasrasmussen3009horrifying take
@shashankjayaram
@shashankjayaram Ай бұрын
@@niclasrasmussen3009are you retarded he won a ballon dor and scored the record goals in a season in 07/08
@user-yc3zp3le1b
@user-yc3zp3le1b Ай бұрын
The Liverpool guy should have been removed after trying to put Allison over schmeichal 🤣
@harveycooney279
@harveycooney279 Ай бұрын
Liverpool fans always have awful biasis takes
@JC-cr3us
@JC-cr3us Ай бұрын
3:57 he was so hurt🤣🤣🤣🤣
@teddyeastside8051
@teddyeastside8051 Ай бұрын
Neville was injured all of 07/08 and they won the double with Wes Brown at right back, is all I am going to say.
@Max-kx9wy
@Max-kx9wy Ай бұрын
trent's injured and conor bradley has provided more solidity and the attack is still firing
@abdirahman_isse
@abdirahman_isse Ай бұрын
That tells u how great of a team that Man u side was. Rico Lewis is performing under pep, does that mean Walker does nothing coz 18 year old is replacing him. Or lets say Bradley vs Trent.
@sdm_za
@sdm_za Ай бұрын
Liverpool won the Carabao Cup without Allison. is all I am going to say.
@reesemccluskey1906
@reesemccluskey1906 Ай бұрын
Gary was near retirement then mate
@CollideWithTheSlope
@CollideWithTheSlope Ай бұрын
@@sdm_za 2 carabao cups for that matter
@benedict1684
@benedict1684 Ай бұрын
Pepe Reina is never mentioned in these arguments. He’d never get in which is understandable but he definitely deserves an honorable mention. 2 golden gloves isn’t easy
@alette7
@alette7 Ай бұрын
still nowhere near to Schmeichel, Van der Sar, Alisson and even De Gea 🤷🏻‍♂️
@user-jn6sh4no8c
@user-jn6sh4no8c Ай бұрын
Suarez created a lot more than Rooney. Maybe some England bias here. Outside England nobody would rank Rooney higher than Suarez. Alisson is better than Schmeichel too. He faces a lot more shots.
@john-gregorysierra8875
@john-gregorysierra8875 Ай бұрын
So you speak on behalf of all people outside of England??? I'm not English and I think Rooney is a better footballer than Suarez.
@Al-ji4gd
@Al-ji4gd Ай бұрын
Not in the Premier League, mate.
@mufc_SI
@mufc_SI Ай бұрын
Rooney is the only premier league player to reach 200 league goals and 100 assists. Suarez is not comparable in regards of "creating more" lol
@bom89ar60
@bom89ar60 Ай бұрын
Igor biscan , el hadji diouf , mamadou sakho , jadon sancho and antony of course
@deslawson2662
@deslawson2662 Ай бұрын
diouf was brilliant. i saw him live and he was the best player on the pitch by a mile
@24Argie
@24Argie Ай бұрын
Vidic the B side when he was the better CB? 😭 that’s crazy. Rio was great but never the best CB in the league. Vidic was. And Irwin was an attacking full back. Nothing like a CB. Good discussion otherwise
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Ай бұрын
We have to decide wether these discussions are based on how good their career was, or how good their prime/peak was! Schmeichel had a better career, but I think Allison has got a higher peak. Same with Suarez, he had one of the highest peaks of any striker in the PL, but because he wasn’t here long he doesn’t have the longevity to back it up
@-eL--RaL-
@-eL--RaL- Ай бұрын
Peaks are irrelevant imo
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Ай бұрын
@@-eL--RaL-once again, a nonsensical opinion! If we base it just on careers, how is that fair on players who are only half way through their career? They’d very rarely ever get picked in these discussions, which they actually say in this video
@thierryhenry674
@thierryhenry674 Ай бұрын
@@-eL--RaL- Longevity is irrelevant. Peak and ability is all that matters. If peak is irrelevant then Milner is better than Ronaldinho?
@-eL--RaL-
@-eL--RaL- Ай бұрын
@@thierryhenry674 Ronaldinho was finished at 28 that's an incredible fall from grace
@retropetro6982
@retropetro6982 Ай бұрын
Suarez wasn't better than Rooney in his youth days, peak Rooney was next to messi and ronaldo. But after they hit 30 Rooney was ready to flip burgers whereas suarez was still at a high level. Rooney career started at 17 ended at 29. Suarez started strong around 25/26 ended until he was 34
@erikhyer-humberset1782
@erikhyer-humberset1782 Ай бұрын
GIGGS should have been given a shout. 13 PL's!! Overlooked cuz of whats the come out after retirement. Shouldn't take away his massive impact in the PL
@hyywe240
@hyywe240 Ай бұрын
Its still ronaldo and salah on the wings
@09arunanaravaanan.a49
@09arunanaravaanan.a49 Ай бұрын
Shouldn't what he did after retirement count? Speaks volumes to his character which is massive for an athlete. No one would today count Oscar Pistorius as a great or recently, even Dani Alves
@calbotterill6905
@calbotterill6905 Ай бұрын
Dani Alves is one of the greatest right backs of all time and everyone will say that no matter what he does in his personal life
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
@@09arunanaravaanan.a49Dani alves is still amazing
@swvi9459
@swvi9459 Ай бұрын
@@hyywe240 Giggs was better
@swvi9459
@swvi9459 Ай бұрын
PL all time of United and Liverpool? Let's see, 13 PL titles vs 1 PL title. I wonder who should be here hahaha
@deadspareaccount7571
@deadspareaccount7571 Ай бұрын
What do you mean? We're talking about best combined liverpool and utd of all time. Liverpool definitely has players that make it into the greatest PL team combined. If We're classing this year no utd player would be mentioned. Liverpool also has 19 titles the same as utd..
@swvi9459
@swvi9459 Ай бұрын
@@deadspareaccount7571 Liverpool titles were not in PL, this is PL, so it's 13 VS 1. Also, maybe one player from Liverpool would be in this team, MAYBE. Schmeichel, Vidić, Rio, Neville, Irwin, Keane, Scholes, Gerrard, Giggs, Rooney, CR. That is the ideal team, everything else is some fantasy from Liverpool fans
@swvi9459
@swvi9459 Ай бұрын
@@deadspareaccount7571 Also, from this year, you have Casemiro, Mainoo, Garnacho that are walking into today's Liverpool easily. The fact that 3 game were played between them this season and Liverpool has zero wins, says that Liverpool doesn't have better players than United today. Not in every position at least. But when combining all time PL, only Gerrard can be in combined eleven
@deadspareaccount7571
@deadspareaccount7571 Ай бұрын
@@swvi9459OK if we're talking about what team performed better in a individual season. Utd best season was 79 points, 43 goal difference, Liverpool was 99 points 52 goal difference. So Liverpool team in 2020 was better than utd prime team in 1998.
@deadspareaccount7571
@deadspareaccount7571 Ай бұрын
@@swvi9459 and sir Alex had the best team and most expensive club at that era. Arsenal after 2004 went broke and couldn't compete with utd. Chelsea change players and managers every year. So sir Alex did have a easy walk through. You can say the same about city right now. Utd lost sir Alex, Arsenal was still broke, Chelsea...do whatever, Liverpool had no direction until klopp.
@scottmartin7914
@scottmartin7914 Ай бұрын
‘He defined this era’ if I had a pound for every time the longhair guy said that I’d be rich…
@Jimbobiscuit
@Jimbobiscuit Ай бұрын
Did Loz really just say Denis Irwin was a centre-back playing at left-back??
@laurencemckenna
@laurencemckenna Ай бұрын
In the modern game, that’s how it works be seen. Yes.
@adambassuni6084
@adambassuni6084 Ай бұрын
@@laurencemckenna he didnt play in the modern game
@rip2779
@rip2779 Ай бұрын
Fair play to lawrence, as a utd fan i actually agreed with everything he said, personally i would have had Allison over schmeichel. I would've had Irwin over Robertson and Evra though, these younger guys just didn't watch Irwin, 2nd best lb in the prem after Cole
@francisallen5924
@francisallen5924 Ай бұрын
Alison over him all day I agree
@MihirPorob
@MihirPorob Ай бұрын
Why no one talks about Vidic. He won the pl player of the season twice
@dazzafoley10
@dazzafoley10 Ай бұрын
Saw the title, was excited to see who was on, saw Lawrence and now I’m leaving
@mikeharper5587
@mikeharper5587 Ай бұрын
I thought this was going to be all time, but they then said 'Premier League history'. Football didn't exist pre 1992? 😂
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
Tbf no player before 1992 gonna be on the list
@mikeharper5587
@mikeharper5587 Ай бұрын
@@Deathmare235 None at all? 🤣🤣🤣
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
@@mikeharper5587 they don’t know any
@mikeharper5587
@mikeharper5587 Ай бұрын
@@Deathmare235 Ah, got ya. Yeah fair point.
@davidfurlong4456
@davidfurlong4456 Ай бұрын
@@Deathmare235 bryan robson was better than all 3 midfielders they picked and its not even close
@teddyeastside8051
@teddyeastside8051 Ай бұрын
People get confused because Gerrard did more for the Liverpool team but players in the United team did less because they played their role for the team. Scholes started out as a 10 and progressively moved deeper because that’s what the team needed and it kept them at the top for 2 decades, Gerrard always tried to do it all and it limited Liverpool.
@thomascawley5674
@thomascawley5674 Ай бұрын
He never limited Liverpool, Liverpool limited him, he filled in at right back in a champions league final and dragged them to win it at 24 against one of the best teams ever in that Milan side, he was playing David Ngog and Jimmy traore and so, if Gerrard was in klopps team the last few years he would of much more, still won everything except the league
@AIIXIII0
@AIIXIII0 Ай бұрын
Tbh ManU had quality everywhere. Even the youths were better back then. I remember that we only have one threatening winger until Mane + Salah 😂 The point being.. Liverpool were not as successful as ManU.
@darrenlally9386
@darrenlally9386 Ай бұрын
Scholes was a product of the united system. Gerrard was the system
@ImNoctica
@ImNoctica Ай бұрын
Sounds like what Bruno has to do today with all the trash around him
@TheWaxenberg
@TheWaxenberg Ай бұрын
Agree mate, and in agreement with you, this should have been 10 liverpool players, and scholes. because, as you said, Gerrard was bad and held Liverpool back, Scholes actually dragged United up.
@paulcasey4282
@paulcasey4282 Ай бұрын
I’ve got take on Gerrard: We never saw Gerrard under a world class manager and therefore we never saw Gerard reach his peak or fulfil his potential. When players, particularly midfielders, play under world class managers, they get utilised far more effectively.
@dylanfurmage6585
@dylanfurmage6585 Ай бұрын
But doesnt that add to the beauty of how good Gerrard was? He still shone in mostly below par teams with average managers and could take games by the scruff of the neck and literally pull his team to victory! Of course to see him in great teams with great managers would've been mouth watering but that's not always how it goes unfortunately. We just have to appreciate how good he was with what he had to work with and that speaks volumes for the type of player and character he was
@paulcasey4282
@paulcasey4282 Ай бұрын
@@dylanfurmage6585 I think he could have been comfortably better than Scholes and Lampard but because he limited himself, those 3 are very close.
@rodsitamara
@rodsitamara Ай бұрын
Schools is a better pure footballer.
@areebsiddiqui758
@areebsiddiqui758 Ай бұрын
Prime Benitez was definitely a world class manager.
@alexknight6470
@alexknight6470 Ай бұрын
No mention of Michael Owen… the only other Ballon d’or winner in PL history at either club?!
@dylanfurmage6585
@dylanfurmage6585 Ай бұрын
Owen was great at Liverpool but he just can't get in over Rooney unfortunately. I feel if Owen stayed in the prem longer and injuries didn't ruin him then he definitely would be in the conversation
@Chris-oz9qx
@Chris-oz9qx Ай бұрын
I think Ronaldo won it at United as well.....neither of them were the best in the World at the time IMO
@ShajiMathew-dx8by
@ShajiMathew-dx8by Ай бұрын
Didn't Owen play for Man United?
@alexknight6470
@alexknight6470 Ай бұрын
@@ShajiMathew-dx8by Yes. But he was better at Liverpool. Scored 118 goals in 216 PL appearances for Liverpool. Came out of their academy. Won the FA cup, League Cup and UEFA cup with them in 2001 to win the Ballon d’Or, went to Real Madrid, then Newcastle, then played like 30 games for Man Utd, and then Stoke. Blighted by injuries after leaving Liverpool, but in his prime, he was incredible.
@hamzaesat4085
@hamzaesat4085 Ай бұрын
Schmeichel Neville Ferdinand Van Dijk Irwin Keane Scholes Gerrard Salah Rooney Ronaldo
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Ай бұрын
Hard to argue with this team really. It’s a 50/50 between the GKs…but apart from that, this is the team! People might say Suarez, but he just wasn’t in the league long enough to put him in over Rooney imo
@kiriakoz
@kiriakoz Ай бұрын
@@GIBBO4182 I personally don't think it's 50/50 between the GK's, I saw them both play and Schmeichel was imperious and key to Man U winning 5 league titles in 7 seasons.
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Ай бұрын
@@kiriakozthe amount of titles a team wins shouldn’t really be a factor when you’re talking about who’s the best individual player though
@kiriakoz
@kiriakoz Ай бұрын
@@GIBBO4182 that’s fair but I still personally thought schmeichel was the better goalkeeper personally. I guess it’s not that far apart. I do respect Alisson but there was no goalkeeper even close to schmeichel when he was in the league.
@101notfound17
@101notfound17 Ай бұрын
Staam ,vidic >> vvd
@yomo1690
@yomo1690 Ай бұрын
Didn't they already do this earlier in the season. Lazy producers
@AceTheWizard
@AceTheWizard Ай бұрын
Yeah but with different people giving a different perspective.
@yomo1690
@yomo1690 Ай бұрын
@@AceTheWizard I know but they do it almost every week. And with the Liverpool utd debate it's usually the same result
@AceTheWizard
@AceTheWizard Ай бұрын
@@yomo1690 good point
@Dapps07
@Dapps07 Ай бұрын
I love and have been watching the combined 11 debate but this is the first time i actually noticed how stacked the combined team was. Nice discussion between those 2 and the final combined 11 can knockout any other combined team.
@louis.walker11
@louis.walker11 Ай бұрын
I forgot that schmeichel had xG prevented stats available during his playing days
@yamkelasaleni4742
@yamkelasaleni4742 Ай бұрын
15:55 to 16:15 That guy shut the entire studio down with the TRUTH.
@goyonman9655
@goyonman9655 Ай бұрын
Ballon d'or Ahead of who?
@mikypoo1843
@mikypoo1843 Ай бұрын
trent over neville is insane
@joemakepeace6652
@joemakepeace6652 Ай бұрын
second most assists ever for a defender its hardly insane
@filltheglass2618
@filltheglass2618 Ай бұрын
Insane 😂 you obviously don’t watch ball
@BonitaUzABum
@BonitaUzABum Ай бұрын
You could say the same for Evra over Robertson.
@goat741-buk52
@goat741-buk52 Ай бұрын
Dey picked trent u blind
@finnmccool6613
@finnmccool6613 Ай бұрын
Should have been Neville and Robertson
@jakebullman4571
@jakebullman4571 Ай бұрын
No mention of Denis Irwin is crazy
@Josh-my1dr
@Josh-my1dr 29 күн бұрын
doesn't change the fact that Liverpool lost 0-3 to Atalanta at anfield
@thetruth4654
@thetruth4654 Ай бұрын
GK-Van der sar LB-Robertson CB-Rio CB-Vidic(Vidic was better then Rio, let alone Van Djik who is the 5th best CB in in PL history) RB-Trent DM-Roy Keane CM-Gerrard CM-Scholes LW-Cr7(Mane is very much underappriciated for the all time great that he is) S-Rooney RW-Salah
@fjandinner3532
@fjandinner3532 Ай бұрын
Trent over Neville is wild. You could argue alisson over VDS or VVD over rio but Trent doesn't come close to neville
@user-eq6yr8ol2e
@user-eq6yr8ol2e Ай бұрын
Robertson over Irwin and Evra is a bit mad imo
@thetruth4654
@thetruth4654 Ай бұрын
@@fjandinner3532 Nevile has a far bigger legacy yes, but i built the team that i would want to see play, and i like Trent and Robertson`s attacking output.
@timmy5876
@timmy5876 Ай бұрын
mane was actually a better player than salah when it came to everything but finishing, when it came to bringing other players into it, dribbling, positioning he was better. His finishing was frustrating at times and it’s the reason salah is rated higher cus he finishes a lot more shots but it’s similar to diaz now at liverpool performing better than salah when it comes to everything but finishing
@Totsrocky
@Totsrocky Ай бұрын
Then you’re really underrating salah, mane never scored any of the wild dribble goals that salah has, he hasn’t made those same assists as salah. There’s a reason why mane was moved on first. Maybe mane was as a bit more fun to watch, but saying he outperformed salah in everything but finishing is ridiculous
@ftclips-qu8sh
@ftclips-qu8sh Ай бұрын
The season that Liverpool nearly did the quad derailed Mane's career. Remember he had just won afcon. If they had even done a treble then he would have been among the very best of all time.
@100PercentFootball-
@100PercentFootball- Ай бұрын
Your outrageous. Salah is hands down the most consistent player of all time. This man averages 30 G/A EVERY SEASON. If you compare Mane’s consistency and stats to Salah, you can see that Salah is CLEAR.
@ineverswag
@ineverswag Ай бұрын
@@Totsrocky as far as work rate, going back to help defensively and pressing Mane was better
@bruhstrike5278
@bruhstrike5278 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@Fixation12424
@Fixation12424 Ай бұрын
Pretty solid 11. I would have thought Allison for goalkeeper and either Irwin or Roberston makes more sense at LB. + Suarez just misses out but damn close
@oliver_burch11
@oliver_burch11 Ай бұрын
why don’t do like ‘the most underated man utd and liverpool all time xi’ instead of doing this for the 4th time
@daysgone2997
@daysgone2997 Ай бұрын
denis irwin, beckham, cantona, giggs, vidic, george best, bobby charlton all should be in this team
@rhys9887
@rhys9887 Ай бұрын
Mate it’s a premier league XI not an all time?
@daysgone2997
@daysgone2997 Ай бұрын
@@rhys9887 ok cool then beckham, giggs cantona, vidic should all be in it
@Gavsy1874
@Gavsy1874 Ай бұрын
@@rhys9887The title of the video is all time 😂
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 Ай бұрын
@@daysgone2997vidic is the only one that’s a debate, the others aren’t good enough to be on it
@rhys9887
@rhys9887 Ай бұрын
@@Gavsy1874 I know but when the likes of Best, Daglish and Charlton are not getting shoutouts and they are only comparing players of both teams during the premier leaguer era on the premier league channel I think it’s obvious it’s only the premier league
@RobPires
@RobPires Ай бұрын
Salah Suarez CR should be the attacking trio
@ThatoSelomane
@ThatoSelomane Ай бұрын
Yeah mate
@throne77fghgh86
@throne77fghgh86 Ай бұрын
Rooney is there
@geoffreywright9856
@geoffreywright9856 Ай бұрын
Why? Suarez had that one monstrous season
@ThatoSelomane
@ThatoSelomane Ай бұрын
I'll go with salah, Ronaldo and Mane on attacking trio
@garethkaye1500
@garethkaye1500 Ай бұрын
Did he say Irwin was like a CB playing at LB? Wow.
@Macrne
@Macrne Ай бұрын
Incredible 🤯😳🤯😳🤯
@aarongray4147
@aarongray4147 Ай бұрын
Pretty easy debate Cantona Giggs Rooney Ronaldo Keane Scholes Evra Ferdinand Vidic Neville Schmeichel
@MrBuzzcuts
@MrBuzzcuts Ай бұрын
Get Loz on more often , brings a good conversation each time
@samstudy21
@samstudy21 Ай бұрын
Mane was never close to ronaldo in the prem. Not for team trophies, individual trophies, best scoring season, entertainment and ability 😂 and Ronaldo left the league at 24 after winning 3 premier leagues in a row.
@wesleymaistry6278
@wesleymaistry6278 Ай бұрын
2nd XI from these lot GK -Van Der Sar RB - Denis Irwin CB - Nemanja Vidic CB - Jaap Stam LB - Andy Robertson RCM - David Beckham CM - Michael Carrick LCM - Xabi Alonso RF - Mane ST - Suarez LF - Giggs
@Buttholemaster69420
@Buttholemaster69420 Ай бұрын
That’s crazy
@nasserp.1409
@nasserp.1409 Ай бұрын
Xavi once said people in England overhyping players so easily and the fact they call Alisson best goalkeeper over Cortuis and Ter Stegen and TAA most creative fullback over Alves Lahm Roberto Carlos is crazy
@Slacktionman
@Slacktionman Ай бұрын
Rio and Vidic a clear of VVD. There’s no argument given what they won. Even Staam is ahead of him
@teddyeastside8051
@teddyeastside8051 Ай бұрын
Vidic is better than both of them btw
@robinsontodd79
@robinsontodd79 Ай бұрын
TERRY IS BETTER THAN THEM ALL
@WRNWRW
@WRNWRW Ай бұрын
​@@robinsontodd79hard coping Chelsea fan
@Lokolokongo
@Lokolokongo Ай бұрын
More of this duo yes
@Wladislav
@Wladislav Ай бұрын
Always good to see someone correctly pronounce the word "asterisk".
@zisolo4283
@zisolo4283 Ай бұрын
Imagine Rio and VVD tgt in a defense.
@IntimusPaladion
@IntimusPaladion Ай бұрын
it would be worse than Rio and Vidic lol
@ratedr2015
@ratedr2015 Ай бұрын
Mane lol this man has lost his mind 🤣
@TrentAlexanderArnold66LFC
@TrentAlexanderArnold66LFC Ай бұрын
Alisson for me Trent van dijk Ferdinand Roberson Gerrard Keane Scholes Salah Ronaldo Rooney 👍
@damiansonati3973
@damiansonati3973 Ай бұрын
Sadio mane hase to be in the XI.hese just so UNDERRATED.
@Mr_jz_12
@Mr_jz_12 Ай бұрын
Would have preferred to lose salah over mane. Even in hindsight that would have been a poor decision.
@RedDevil_Joe
@RedDevil_Joe Ай бұрын
In the prem era…Gerrard, Van Djik and Salah are the only 3 Liverpool players that have a chance
@fxj___
@fxj___ Ай бұрын
as a liverpool fan i'd agree but with allison, allison would've achieved same even more if he was in schmeichel's position but trent need's a good defensive midfielder or else he'd become a liability to the defence line
@OriginalNuttah93
@OriginalNuttah93 Ай бұрын
Robertson robbed
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Ай бұрын
Bring realistic all 3 get in to the team, with the only real argument being - does Allison join them?
@RedDevil_Joe
@RedDevil_Joe Ай бұрын
@@fxj___ the issue with Allison is I get what you’re saying, but it is just hypothetical, we have to go with what we know which means it has to be Schmeichel, same as if Suarez had a few more seasons like he did for that last couple he would be there
@mechalovessquirrels18
@mechalovessquirrels18 Ай бұрын
Trent has more assists than Paul Scholes in over 250 less games
@eoinhurley3808
@eoinhurley3808 Ай бұрын
Schmeichel Trent Stam VVD Irwin Keane Scholes Gerrard Salah Suarez CR7 Only doubts in my head are Stam for Pallister and Allison for Schmeichel.
@BossmanAshmore
@BossmanAshmore Ай бұрын
Crazy 😅
@joemax6990
@joemax6990 Ай бұрын
Ryan Giggs at left wing, Ronaldo at right wing and Rooney in the middle, for me Gary Neville at Right Back, and Irwin and Evra is a close call for me at left back, also Vidic big shout.
@maccamorrice3054
@maccamorrice3054 Ай бұрын
VVD over Vidic is criminal
@laurencemckenna
@laurencemckenna Ай бұрын
It really isn’t…
@matejspalek4746
@matejspalek4746 Ай бұрын
We can all agree, that VVD is one of the best CBs in PL history, but put him in front of Vidic, when VVD has won just 1 title and 1 UCL is funny at all, u just cant compare history with nowadays football (I know about Ballon DoR nominee) :D
@vibezkyro6747
@vibezkyro6747 20 күн бұрын
Trent over Neville is absolutely criminal
@mart1n10601
@mart1n10601 Ай бұрын
Sooooo glad to finally hear Sadio Mane's recognition. I agree Ronaldo is the better LW, but Mane deserves to be in the conversation. One of the best debates you've had ever.
@user-bb2qq3wg9f
@user-bb2qq3wg9f Ай бұрын
Lawrence please cut your hair man
@rip2779
@rip2779 Ай бұрын
Absolute shocker isn't it
@KeyzKieran
@KeyzKieran Ай бұрын
ok baldy
@JP-bd2st
@JP-bd2st Ай бұрын
Allison is better than Peter Schemichel in every single aspect of goal keeping , this is just nostalgia bias , just because trophies and nostalgia , people just wanna downplay current players
@vidu635
@vidu635 Ай бұрын
Won one prem uno 😂😂 worse shot stopper, worse leader, a worse Organizer of the defence. Allison isn’t even close
@onlyweatherlol93
@onlyweatherlol93 Ай бұрын
Nope.
@okocha7914
@okocha7914 Ай бұрын
Put the weed Down.
@kylegill4932
@kylegill4932 Ай бұрын
If it really was an all time eleven you’d struggle to get even three Utd legends in. Clemence in goal…… Phil neal, Alan hanson, Bobby Charlton and Alan Kennedy in the defence. A midfield of souness, Callahan with salah and barnes on the wings. Kenny daglish and George best up front.
@dylanince2074
@dylanince2074 Ай бұрын
The main one here i disagree with is Neville not being in the team. Neville is the best right back in premier league history and i say that as a city fan the only competition is probably Walker but i don't even think thats close. I feel like Torres and Suarez not getting a shout is kinda mad. Both tore this league when at liverpool and were the best players in there position at the time but i guess longevity.
@mementomori5670
@mementomori5670 Ай бұрын
Only thing I don't agree with is Evra over Robertson. Robbo epitomizes what a modern fullback is with an insane work rate, stamina over the roof, offers so much going forward and tracks back when needed. How people hype up Kyle Walker is how Robbo is at LB.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor Ай бұрын
You literally just described Evra lol Oh and Denis Irwin who was better than both of them.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor Ай бұрын
Van Der Sar Neville Ferdinand Stam Irwin Carrick Keane Scholes Ronaldo Rooney Giggs Oh, wait, I forgot to put any Liverpool players in. Let me try a different team... Schmeichel Brown Bruce Vidic Evra Robson Ince Beckham Cantona Sharpe Cole There you go, Paul Ince.played for Liverpool...though I'm thinking of Ince when he was at United. There are players from the 94 double winning team that never get mentioned like Pallister, Kanchelskis, Hughes etc players like Yorke, Solskjaer, Van Nistelroo, Van Persie who rarely get a look in and that's before even looking at Liverpool players. There's really only Salah that's in with a shout. Virgil is good but he doesn't get in ahead of Stam or Rio, Gerrard certainly doesn't get in over Keane or Scholes and frankly, Xabi Alonso was better than him so I can see an argument for him. With that in mind, here's a fairer combined XI: Van Der Sar Neville Ferdinand Stam Irwin Alonso Keane Scholes Salah Rooney Ronaldo
@brynlawrence9554
@brynlawrence9554 Ай бұрын
Haven’t seen the video yet but the only correct team is this. Allison, Trent, Rio, Virgil, Evra Scholes, Gerrard, Keane Salah, Rooney, Ronaldo. Subs Schmeical, Vidic, Neville, Giggs, Beckham, Van Nisteroy
@brynlawrence9554
@brynlawrence9554 Ай бұрын
United fan btw
@accideux5182
@accideux5182 Ай бұрын
I'm a Man Utd fan, my choice is: Allison(GK), Ferdinand(RCB), Van Dijk(LCB),Trent(RB), Shaw(LB), Carrick(CDM), Gerrard(RCM), Scholes(LCM), Ronaldo(LW), Salah(RW) and Rooney(CF).
@harrycooper3789
@harrycooper3789 Ай бұрын
Hahahhahahahaahahahhaha Shaw at LB
@mindoflami8276
@mindoflami8276 Ай бұрын
I'm a United fan and I would never pick Shaw at LB
@accideux5182
@accideux5182 Ай бұрын
@@mindoflami8276 Name a better in-possession LB in Premier League history I will wait
@mindoflami8276
@mindoflami8276 Ай бұрын
@@accideux5182 bro, you'll wait till you are exhausted. Best LB not best in-possession LB, Evra or Robertson all day without a doubt. You can have your injury prone in-possession Shaw
@Chris-oz9qx
@Chris-oz9qx Ай бұрын
Shaw????? He's played 191 league games in 10 years at the club, he wasn't even in the match day squad for the two Mourinho trophy wins because he was injured again. He's no where near as good as Irwin, Evra, or Robertson. I'd even take Phil Neville or Bjornebye over Shaw any day of the week.....Christ, I'd have Paul Konchesky over Shaw........ok, that was pushing it too far.
@LevTri
@LevTri Ай бұрын
I respect the Mane shout, I agree with him calling out how underrated he is, but CR7 is a no brainer…
@Stixinator1
@Stixinator1 Ай бұрын
Sadio Mane is very underrated. During the time Klopp's Liverpool peaked he was their best player with VVD in my opinion. But Cristiano is Cristiano
@Gfresh844
@Gfresh844 Ай бұрын
Alisson is great but in terms of the best PL keeper Schmeichel clearly is ahead, especially given the fact he was a key part in five of United's title wins.
@user-fd9db4ee9n
@user-fd9db4ee9n Ай бұрын
They never let Smithy make the final choice when it’s a Spurs related video. So why is ginge allowed to make a decision here
@erikjansson6663
@erikjansson6663 Ай бұрын
I agreed with most of the team, however there are two changes I would make. Change leftback to Denis Irwin and change leftforward to Ryan Giggs.
@gusleonard9397
@gusleonard9397 Ай бұрын
Why do people think Trent is the first attacking fullback, no one ever heard of Roberto Carlos and Dani Alves.
@Mr-Nose-It-All
@Mr-Nose-It-All Ай бұрын
Trent? lol where has he been past two seasons! Gary every season he played was special
@archieaburden
@archieaburden Ай бұрын
the fact that lawrence even considered mane was just for the debate. Sane never won a balon dor at liverpool
@Young_Brumm15
@Young_Brumm15 Ай бұрын
Trent shouldn't be in an all-time debate for best RB, especially against Gary Neville, or even Kyle Walker for that matter (even though it's not a general debate for best all-time Prem RB, which would still be Gary Neville, even if I included Kyle Walker). TAA may have the assist numbers at such a young age, but his defense is inconsistent and shambolic at times, which is a major component of his job as a defender.
@bimholard6010
@bimholard6010 Ай бұрын
We need this league
@mrugod
@mrugod Ай бұрын
Peter sch Nev vvd vidic Irwin Keane Gerrard. Scholes Salah. Ronaldo. Giggs
@chiefnama790
@chiefnama790 Ай бұрын
Having Giggs in that team is CRIMINAL.
@mrugod
@mrugod Ай бұрын
@@chiefnama790who you put there instead
@chiefnama790
@chiefnama790 Ай бұрын
@@mrugod ROONEY.
@jedabela
@jedabela Ай бұрын
Not a discussion as a RW, CDM or CM, Trent being a better RB than Neville is proper maaaaad
@varund7
@varund7 Ай бұрын
Enjoyed this (for once). Thanks very much to the two guests, particularly the Liverpool lad, for having a sane and measured discussion! PS: GGMU
@benmj8814
@benmj8814 Ай бұрын
there isn't a single left winger that compares to how mane would play. his decision making on attacks was so precise and direct. he could score with both feet and his head. his work rate was immaculate and his pressing of players was so fast that he could initiate a counter attack from nothing. there were so many goals Liverpool would get where the opposition had the possession and then suddenly the ball was in the back of their net. no one can compare. Ronaldo was a player that could score goals and make assists but if you had him on your team he wouldn't go above and beyond to score a goal by himself and would rely on the players around him to initiate attacks. mane in terms of prem doesn't need to in the conversation, he is the conversation.
@neillynch_ecocidologist
@neillynch_ecocidologist Ай бұрын
*Liverpool need to play the table NOT just united. If they start like they're a goal down (and carry on until 2 / 3 up), it should be a comfortable 3 points. They play better half the time once a goal behind, use that to their advantage. Defence must be extra extra tight. Attack has to be first line of defence and play like they're desperate to turn things around. YNWA*
@hundredpercentx
@hundredpercentx Ай бұрын
Mane did make liverpool work, but I dont think he was underrated. He was always rated, but come on CR wins this hands down. His 6 years in the prem was frightening.
@Sajdar85
@Sajdar85 Ай бұрын
Liverpool fan and gotta say thats a very fair team put together 👍👌 Even though personally I would put Cantona instead of Rooney Now imagine that team together, at their peaks! Quadruples being won near enough every season 🥴👀
@ChampStentor
@ChampStentor Ай бұрын
Wow, kicked it off with a shocker!! I think the fact that all the talk is about Alison despite him only having 1 premier league title over Edersons like 5 says it all... best keeper in prem history by far!!
@georgepowell2504
@georgepowell2504 29 күн бұрын
surprised to not have got triggered by either guest during this whole video. Great conversation and both good shouts. CR7 vs Mane isn't even a question though haha (even as a Liverpool fan)
@ankurbagai1056
@ankurbagai1056 Ай бұрын
VVD had good 3 seasons, 2 best seasons... Vidic had more. TAA isn't even a RB, half of the people consider him as a Midfielder, and he plays midfield for England, hence Gary Nev. We talk about EPL, and we talk Gerrard, a guy who couldn't even one 1 shouldn't be talked about, for me it should be either Michael Carrick or David Beckham or Ryan Giggs.
@moist.biscuit
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