Who Owns the Moon? - A.C. Grayling

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A.C. Grayling is a British philosopher and author. In 2011 he founded and became the first Master of New College of the Humanities, an independent undergraduate college in London.
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00:00 Why Bother With This Question?
05:44 The United Nations Outer-Space Treaty
11:12 Ethics of Land Ownership
19:11 The Reality of Trying to Own the Moon
27:30 Will There Be a War for the Moon?
36:54 Who Will Take Responsibility?
42:59 Difference in Moon Conflict & Earth Conflict
45:48 Setting Up Borders on the Moon
54:52 Level of Motivation for Space Exploration
59:56 Discovering Native Moon Populations
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@jameskpolk9137 Ай бұрын

I like your podcast Alex but this has been done before. The first Despicable Me film addressed this question thoroughly

@himanshutahiliani1235 Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@tommy2972 Ай бұрын

True, im sick of philosophers plagiarising the noble arts.

@matthewphilip1977 Ай бұрын

Vector as Elon Musk?

@price69420 Ай бұрын

that's my great uncle!

@matthewphilip1977 Ай бұрын

@@price69420 I thought it was my gran at first. What's he done to his hair?

@Ben-bg2lp Ай бұрын

The moonarchy.

@MariaAntoniettaPerna Ай бұрын

What a treat and a pleasure to see my former professor from Birkbeck College after so many years. Hello Anthony!

@RalphOK Ай бұрын

Perhaps you could say hello to him in a private way, rather than broadcasting it to everyone viewing this comments thread, you transparently self-centred individual, you.

@sulljoh1 Ай бұрын

That must have been a great experience

@MariaAntoniettaPerna Ай бұрын

@@sulljoh1 Indeed!

@okapi6727 Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Mr. Beast gave it to an orphanage already

@gabefarris7005 Ай бұрын

Finally we’re asking the real important questions

@7pinky791 Ай бұрын

Who owns Palestine?

@ZER0-- Ай бұрын

@@7pinky791 Who owns America, or the Atlantic ocean, or London?

@freshdonkey1760 Ай бұрын

Who owns my banana?

@Nikolajnen Ай бұрын

@@ZER0-- it sure seems like there's a particular group that owns all of them

@sulljoh1 Ай бұрын

Comments like this get likes from people who take it literally and take it as satire

@writerblocks9553 Ай бұрын

Moon scramble sounds delicious

@migduh Ай бұрын

Grayling is always a joy to listen to. Very thoughtful conversation, well done Alex.

@bigol7169 Ай бұрын

My favourite contemporary philosopher!!!

@cmpc724 Ай бұрын

Eddie Izzard, “do you have a flag?” springs to mind…

@bastiaanvanbeek Ай бұрын

His speeches (2007) along with Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are legendary.

@DaboooogA Ай бұрын

Fascinating future-minded discussion thanks.

@d-darkness-within Ай бұрын

Fire vid.

@dayhaysuper3639 Ай бұрын

4 wide

@tzakman8697 Ай бұрын

I dont know why but "I really want to stay in your house" was playing in my head while listening to this.

@eedobee Ай бұрын

Me. I do. I own the moon.

@ZER0-- Ай бұрын

Which one?

@sulljoh1 Ай бұрын

One guy literally tried this. He's selling plots to fools

@tulpas93 Ай бұрын

Can I borrow it on Wednesday? I've got a date!

@Narsufin 8 күн бұрын

Can you move it to cover Uranus?

@yyzzyysszznn Ай бұрын

Grayling has done some great stuff on Wittgenstein. Speaking of, Peter Hacker would be great for this podcast.

@hayleyanna2625 Ай бұрын

I adore A.C Grayling's work. Thank you for this.🌛

@mayflowerlash11 Ай бұрын

Perhaps the Antarctic Treaty could be used as a guide. The Moon and The Antarctic have significant characteristics in common. It's hard to get to, it's inhospitable, it doesn't have any useful resources, yet. I actually think it will be possible to establish a self sustaining human society on the Moon. Interestingly the near side of the Moon is permanently visible to the Earth. The far side will need lunar satellites to be observed. The polar regions will be settled initially as temperatures there can be moderated more easily.

@shawnewaltonify Ай бұрын

It's quite clear and definitive that the U.S began scaling back the space shuttle program in preparation to move IP into the private sector before anyone attempted to colonize the moon, and I believe that it's been avoided. Make no mistake that this is quite possibly the most important endeavor that has been occurring right before our eyes that is more important than any other issue including oil. It was masterfully executed.

@timtowndrow2056 Ай бұрын

I've been listening to your podcast as I work installing flooring in Canada and I just want to say keep up the great work you're awesome

@hmoen Ай бұрын

Alex, please interview Francesca Stavrakopoulou.

@thomasgallipoli8376 Ай бұрын

DarkMatter 2525 sent me to your channel. Very high recommendation.

@valkopuhelin2581 Ай бұрын

If I go to Mars and bring back Pathfinder, can I keep it? Thanks Alex for covering a variety of topics.

@Max_bond69 Ай бұрын

Finished it very interesting

@Dark_knight20012 Ай бұрын

Same 56:45 best moments

@EmperorsNewWardrobe Ай бұрын

Ooo Grayling! Amazing! Love his work, especially on the Enlightenment and reason

@Fastlan3 Ай бұрын

Alex, have you watched the TV show called 'The Expanse'? Definitely hit on this issue at large.

@matthewphilip1977 Ай бұрын

They talked about potential conflicts, with guns (or lasers) but what about cyber warfare? The premise of the book is that tech will develop exponentially as it has been which will lead to all the possibilities of easy mining etc; how much bigger will be the kind of tech warfare using hacking etc (or the 20 years-from-now equivalent)?

@joeyg-tube8869 Ай бұрын

5 seconds in…. so far so good 😏

@prorok21 Ай бұрын

😮There is this old joke from soviet era. -Rusians and Americans are racing to mark a new territory as man is about to claim this beloved celestial rock. Suddenly missions control gets a radio from mission Apollo: Mission control, mission controll! It's them they have landed, we can see them... Mission control: Roger Apollo, what is the status of Sovjets? Apollo: Omg mission control they are painting Moon in red .... :- stand by Apollo, Keep the low profile and let them finish... - mission control, they have done it. Moon is red , bloody red...... What shall we do . - mission control Now take the White paint an wrote Coca Cola 😂😂

@thegamesforreal1673 Ай бұрын

The practical answer to "Who owns the moon" is also a rather pessimistic one: Whoever is the first to set up colonies on the moon, and is able to defend them from other actors trying to stake their claim, owns the moon.

@jonash.1705 Ай бұрын

why is this episode 63? where is 62?

@khalidq8245 Ай бұрын

Came from Darkmatter2525

@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll Ай бұрын

Darkmatter2525 is one of the all-time greats. Dude is a genius and underappreciated.

@zephyrjmilnes Ай бұрын

This was great! Also, you gotta get Michael Knowles back on the pod at some point to discuss Catholicism (considering that’s what he really wanted to talk about on your last podcast)

@jadonharper1493 Ай бұрын

He’s an ideologue who claims to have seen an angel on the NYC subway. Not sure how to take him seriously.

@zephyrjmilnes Ай бұрын

@@jadonharper1493 Well fair enough - he’s relatively charming and an engaging speaker, and I enjoyed their last conversation.

@DanKnowlson Ай бұрын

Do you need some people to chip in for a mic stand Alex 😂 Interesting conversation 👍

@warrickjones625 Ай бұрын

This appears to be a discussion that could have referenced Heinlein's The moon is a harsh mistress and Netflix Spaceforce.

@Bethos1247-Arne Ай бұрын

I waited so long ... and feared it never happens. But now it did happen.

@janklaas6885 Ай бұрын

📍36:54

@havenbastion Ай бұрын

Ownership is three distinct things: moral, legal, and actual.

@LukeBurrough-fq3sy Ай бұрын

I love how he says “Well look, Alex…” It sounds like he’s his father

@bmerlin376 Ай бұрын

He who builds the first Walmart on the moon, shall inherit the moon.

@helge666 Ай бұрын

I wonder what Chrisjen Avasarala would have to say about all of this 🙂

@bubaks2 Ай бұрын

37:04 the idea that somebody goes and blows up a base on the noon or an asteroid just because that somebody doesn’t want others to go there is very disturbing.

@Nigelzenig Ай бұрын

Grayling has wonderful breadth of mind. A genuine philosopher. And Alex is such an intelligent interlocutor. This is a treat for the curious. However, not sure if China is biggest threat as he seems to imply and also the Ukraine/Russia/NATO example may lack some nuance

@tulpas93 Ай бұрын

This vid seems to lack some of the gravity typical of Alex's other works.

@skepticusmaximus184 Ай бұрын

11:36 Interesting point about ownership as a concept Alex. The problem with your claim to owning the commet, is that my god, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, told me it's actually MINE! But seriously, it gives pause to the question of whether we can truly claim to OWN ANYTHING other than ourselves and our own lives.

@thegamesforreal1673 Ай бұрын

I think the entire concept of land ownership has always stemmed from violence inherently. The earth itself has been here for literally billions of years, the land beneath our feet for hundreds of millions. Far far older than humanity. To think we can claim it as ours is hubris of the highest order, and has only ever served to empower the land "owners" with the ability to exploit those without land to "own".

@vinegar10able Ай бұрын

Property is theft. Was it Proudhon that said that?

@skepticusmaximus184 Ай бұрын

@vinegar10able Sounds familiar. The one I like is, 'we don't own the planet, we're just borrowing it from our children.' I like it because if you don't have any children you don't have to give anything back. 😁

@RobertZimmermannAoA Ай бұрын

Darkmatter2525 gave the tip to your channel. Happy I found it

@sophie800 Ай бұрын

Aww gorgeous Alex

@bigol7169 Ай бұрын

Ikr

@sophie800 Ай бұрын

@@bigol7169 He's super adorable.

@CrippIusDungledeen Ай бұрын

🤨 what

@Conspexit Ай бұрын

“Who owns the moon?” A.C Grayling owned it the whole time.

@vinegar10able Ай бұрын

Well, I've often wondered why being born in SE England gives me the right to live here and own land here, except in the sense that I have, in some small way, through working here, contributed to making the UK what it is

@monkeydetonation Ай бұрын

me i will

@-JA- Ай бұрын

👍🙂

@johnny4062 Ай бұрын

When did Benjamin Franklin make a time machine?

@davegold Ай бұрын

A.C Grayling can't be an expert on the politics of space ownership if he hasn't watched The Expanse.

@WE_R_DNA Ай бұрын

Sunny Day Real Estate 100 million fences around us. Can we own everything including the moon, the sun and the stars.

@TheAmericanAmerican Ай бұрын

On an astrophysics level I do wonder if we will see a similar crisis on the same planetary level as climate change with the transfer of raw mass from the moon and asteroid mining back to earth. By slowing increasing Earth's mass over centuries, will we shift its orbit around the sun? Will we lessen the Moon's mass to the point where it will leave our orbit faster than what is currently estimated? 🤔

@DemainIronfalcon Ай бұрын

Yeah we destined to screw up other Ecologies.. I hope we don't.

@DemainIronfalcon Ай бұрын

Living on a comment now that would be cool.

@NeilEvans-xq8ik Ай бұрын

Me.

@Narsufin 8 күн бұрын

Someone owns the moon, and it isn’t anyone down here.

@toddlloyd8495 9 күн бұрын

"You will own the moon and be happy"

@Jamer197 Ай бұрын

Gru

@Chewy427 Ай бұрын

Who will own the moon? Whoever has physical de facto control over it. There, saved you an hour

@DemainIronfalcon Ай бұрын

I can not make the conection in WhatsApp..🤔😒

@Kushagra.j Ай бұрын

@robinette64 Ай бұрын

We can’t even get anyone out of low earth orbit right now, but we’re gonna have “moon bases” in the next few years? Sorry, but that’s kinda silly. I think it’s a question to be discussed, but let’s not get sensational about it.

@sulljoh1 Ай бұрын

Astronomy is the study of everything with the exception of one tiny blue dot

@Philosophuncultist Ай бұрын

If we privatised the moon, then there would be less squabbling between governments over who owns it.

@sulljoh1 Ай бұрын

Then there'd just vbe private fighting

@CuriousPhilosophy Ай бұрын

@@sulljoh1Are you fighting with your neighbours guns blazing over your private property and theirs ? I'm confused when I read things like that because as a private entity I don't use weapons to acquire others property and I rarely see anyone doing so. Even between say amazon and google, I can't seem to find the trenches for their street fighting.

@teemumiettinen7250 Ай бұрын

@@CuriousPhilosophy Actually it was common in the past that companies would actually literally have wars and assasinations done to advance their company interests. Although they usually outsourced the dirty work to mercenaries and mafia. Nowadays companies like amazon can just use their monopoly status and force any competition into bankruptcy, no need for killing.

@adamofyorkshire Ай бұрын

E. U. Quisling himself

@tcritt Ай бұрын

Turd-for-brains Brexiter

@coffeetalk924 Ай бұрын

First one to plant their flag. That's THE RULE 😉 Easy for me to say because I'm a U.S. citizen 😆

@Kushagra.j Ай бұрын

Nah darling. It'll be the one who sets up bases there and one who's the strongest on Earth. Probably will be America still but not for long!

@Kushagra.j Ай бұрын

Answer : Whoever is the Strongest here on Earth (both Economically & Millitarily) and is the first to set up Bases on the Moon!

@bubaks2 Ай бұрын

39:36 the idea that NATO is the reason the conflict is not spreading is based on? Doesn’t seem to me that there is any intention for the conflict to spread any further.

@DandelionScribe Ай бұрын

I love Alex, but the questioning on this interview is some of the worst, if not the worst, I've seen from him. I'm wondering if anyone thinks this way, too?

@damagedcortex1415 Ай бұрын

12:00 america solved this problem. If you develop a piece of land you own it. If someone tries to take it from you, you hurt them.

@MFYouTube683 Ай бұрын

Look, I’m just trying to cover rent here.

@none377 Ай бұрын

I like Alex's podcasts but I have a comment, is it just me or is it improper to call people like these with their first name without their title? I noticed Alex does this a lot with his guests referring to them by their first name without the title...

@mra4955 Ай бұрын

States are just hanging back, as usual, waiting for the corporations to start heading out and discovering resources, before they start seriously talking about responses and regulations etc

@TheLeonhamm Ай бұрын

As put, that is easily answered : The Victors (plural). Who are the likely to be the victors in taking possession of our local moon - apart from humanity, of course - that depends on variable (and largely temporary) factors (will, profit, technology, access, interest, and force). I'd plump for .. AI directed robotic mechanisms (and thus not so much one single communal, tribal, national, international, global or commercial effort*). Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) * Who for instance 'owned' the whole world .. and eventually lost it (or lost control of that ownership): China, Persia, Macedonia, Rome, the Arabs, the Portuguese, the Spanish, the British, US American Capitalism, Soviet or Maoist Communism, Capitalistic Communism/ Communistic Capitalism, Hollywood, Google ....?

@countofst.germain6417 Ай бұрын

Some guy already sold it didn't he?

@adrianb3869 Ай бұрын

interesting discussion. Much of this has been covered in SciFi in any number of decades. as well, there was no discussion around whether at some point those on the moon have the strategic "high ground" in terms of simply being able to throw rocks at the earth to enforce some of their demands. As well, why would different countries' moon bases not attack one another if there is a war on earth. I always do feel that there is a level of naivety in these geopolitical discussions. It is assumed that everyone is a rational actor but leaders are not. I recall many pundits saying that the war in the Ukraine woudl be over in months because the Oligarchs of Russia woudl force Putin to stop the war or that russia woudl lose money and international reputation, so Putin woudl change direction and stop the war. but that assumed rationality.

@tzakman8697 Ай бұрын

Really? you got A.C. Grayling on the podcast and you talk about THE MOON?

@bobbabai Ай бұрын

Really? You're AC Grayling and you wrote a book about the MOON?

@tzakman8697 Ай бұрын

@@bobbabai I mean A.C. Grayling has written so much he can write whatever he want, still why would you want to talk with him only about this topic.

@bobbabai Ай бұрын

@@tzakman8697 I can only guess it's because he wants to promote his book.

@7pinky791 Ай бұрын

You can have the moon, but I get to keep Mars, Jupiter, Saturn...

@GlossRabban Ай бұрын

Please leave Uranus to me.😅

@7pinky791 Ай бұрын

@@GlossRabbanNot touching that!

@bedro_0 Ай бұрын

Alex mistakenly assumes that anyone would willingly want to ever go to lithuania

@MaxHarden Ай бұрын

Earth in year 3000 will look like a gas planet with a ring around it after the Battle of the Sea of Tranquility, Moon. I’m headed back to the future, doc.

@ThatBoomerDude56 Ай бұрын

A military base on the moon would be nearly worthless.

@raucousriley143 Ай бұрын

Dibs on the Moon

@IamKlaus007 Ай бұрын

Just like a game of monopoly. Who can own the most and how much rent can they charge.

@nathansteiger5153 Ай бұрын

The Principality of Zeon will own the Moon!

@JohnCena8351 Ай бұрын

I. I will own it. And no one can stop me, muhahaha

@unduloid Ай бұрын

I own the Moon, seeing how I own _all_ of the green cheese!

@bubbafowpend9943 Ай бұрын

It's no moon. It's a SPACE STATION!!

@elien832 Ай бұрын

Bring Apostate prophet on the showww alex

@bouzoukiman5000 Ай бұрын

I'm not interested in giving government (the people's) research and development and all of its knowledge to private interests. People have to stop fighting and unite against greedy billionaires or they will have everything and they won't play fair

@erinmagner Ай бұрын

Laurie Anderson owns the moon

@eternisedDragon7 Ай бұрын

I can safely assert that there will be no bases on the moon nor mars for at least the next 200 years.

@teemumiettinen7250 Ай бұрын

Well you are certainly out of the loop. NASA is planning on having permanent lunar base with population in the next 20 years.

@eternisedDragon7 Ай бұрын

@@teemumiettinen7250 Don't worry, I was and still am well aware of that (and other projects alike it). Look up Ethics on Cosmic Scale for why this changes nothing. Space ports will be locked down soon enough.

@PLASKETT7 Ай бұрын

Man, I read in 1986 that NASA had plans for a permanent lunar base by 2008!

@teemumiettinen7250 Ай бұрын

@@PLASKETT7 were they building a rocket for it back then? Artemis program has already started and first launch was succesfull.

@PLASKETT7 Ай бұрын

@@teemumiettinen7250 es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaskett_(cr%C3%A1ter)

@mkano7434 Ай бұрын

what the hell are you wearing Alex?

@Water-rq5cy Ай бұрын

third

@AKAChaseA 18 күн бұрын

Every developed nation is one good spaceship away from galactic colonization.

@LolSumor Ай бұрын

SUOMI MAINITTU! TORILLE!

@Mark761966 Ай бұрын

Someone needs a mic stand. Don't they ALEX

@unknowninfinium4353 Ай бұрын

What about Dawkins saying he prefers Christian Society? Waiting on that.

@brunoB1980 Ай бұрын

Its easy to answer: Jeff ......its only left, while Elon claims the mars.

@InstantDesign Ай бұрын

Stopped taking this guy seriously given his complete and ongoing lack of temperament re Brexit.

@tcritt Ай бұрын

If you ignore anyone that thinks Bexit was a bad idea, you end up with a pretty small group of headbangers to listen to. How do you think we ended up with the current Conservative Cabinet?

@InstantDesign Ай бұрын

@@tcritt you clearly missed the temperament thing. There's thinking it's a bad idea (I voted remain) and being obsessed and shrill about it. Grayling is the latter.