Lol

Well thats a good thing i dont see any problem in that! -Veteran mains

Anytime someone asks for a veterans discount I tell them I dont like kids either.

XD I'm a vet IRL and that was hilarious

​@@JesusKid1000 are you also a vet main jn game

Yeah, it’s why I play with Brita’s weapons. Setting ammo to rare on sandbox is about right I find to be realistic: there’s a enough ammo to subsist on, but you still have to make your shots count and can’t just spray and pray.

Could make an addon for the random sound events mod that has a ton of gunshot sounds that only occur during the first week.

@@Usmodlover Britas just adds way too much clutter to the loot tables and even for Kentucky in the 90's it's just way too many guns. I hate finding more red dot sights and lasers than boxes of cereal and claw hammers, especially when I'm playing PZ not DayZ. Personally I prefer VFE because it keeps it a bit more reasonable. However the beauty of the game is that anyone can tailor their playthrough to their own desires, so to each their own lol

@@Usmodlover Brita's ammo is way rarer after the recent update both finding it on zombies and in caches.

​@@KommissarBanx sounds like realistic USA, food and medicine extremely rare, firearms and ammo on abundant

Can confirm, few months ago I did a coop game with a friend and we went police officer/veteran, survived for 2 months and had to pillage West Point, Muldraugh, Valley Station's ranger cabine/shooting range, and the far north gun store, and we still ate up all our ammo quickly, though we cleared the mall so it was expected

After a month the spawn rate for 9mm and 45apc ammo goes way up on zombies.

We got tired of that and started using mods, not that spawn crazy amounts of ammo but instead have a system for you to make your own bullets and its in fact not easy

why i never play vanilla

I am in Louisville right now with a box truck and trailer(at 100%) and don't have enough room for all the ammo.

IMO that mod should reduce the point cost of taking Veteran.

​@@jasonslade6259 Yeah it should tbh

whats the name?

@@bernardopicorelli2369 "Become desensitized"

To be fair, it makes more sense than killing one thousand zombies and your character still acting panicked instead of behaving "oh, another neighbor stopping at my door, let me just... (Stabs with screwdriver to avoid getting guts on kitchen knife) There we go..."

Expertise & Occupation Balance mod is my go to for aiming and reloading skill book 💜🐇 It also gives the police officer an extra ability of dismantling broken shotguns & pistols into weapon parts to repair better conditioned guns :)

I like to shoot zombies but I also love to play as fireman. That's why I take it. One downside is soft cap for leveling reloading at lvl 5, but I can live with that.

Unemployed hunter gymnast is solid.

@@The_Custos switch unemployed for underweight fireman and you gain 1 strenght, 1 sprinting and 1axe for only 2 points

Late game any class with aim 10 is weaker than vet with aim 10 btw. Most ppl in this comment section seem to think that the +aim is all that matters, that just makes u lvl up faster (important sure but at lvl 10... does it matter? no, one could argue that once you hit max level every +skill you have to that is actually detremental, as you could have balanced your toon out more to level other skills faster. The only true way to make a comparison is a late game comparison; and late game vet is a better shooter regardless of panic debuffs or drugs.

I think it depends, if it was a large amount of blood I think I would take it, but if its droplets or a few streaks I likely wouldn't notice.

@@vinbin423 yes but it would only be noticed immediately if you focused on it. And besides, it's gonna smell like that everywhere.

Smoker counters the effects of Fear of Blood. One cig will completely eliminate stress no matter how much has been built up.

Facts I usually put it on just to give my character a reason to wash up every night instead of covering the sheets in the blood of my foes.

@@jaydeleon8094 the human brain adapts quickly. I think irl you’d disassociate those things trying to kill you as neighbors. The guts would get gross but I think you’d get over it.

Police officer is strictly better. Higher xp multiplier for aiming plus you get nimble. Desensitized doesn’t even matter when even on the lowest loot settings you can find plenty of beta blockers in zombies. Ammo is an issue but I usually set everything to lowest, including gun spawns and leave ammo at default. This way I still struggle to find guns and everyday loot but once I have a gun I can actually fire it for more than a day.

Just make it a K9 unit.

I need context

@@mategetsnosleep3612 He's talking about how cops kill dogs with regularity saying they were fearing for their lives.

The zombies when they get mad that their dog was shot because they couldn’t put it on a leash. I guess it’s the brain rot

ATF profession

@Peniley Majorey not everyone’s a no life with every profession memorized.

@@dylanb2990 there’s people who have eidetic memory from birth. I’m a big example of that

@@XxDjinn420xX Don't. A second point is only worth another 25% exp. Points are better spent on a first point somewhere else.

@@fahrradmittelfranken8207 dude it's literally nimble gymnast is always worth it just as a time save

@@someweeb3650 Not if you already get nimble from the occupation.

I play with the “you can’t die and max out your skills instantly mod” it basically makes the game easier to the point where there’s no need to play, truly the best experience, now I can play other games knowing there’s no need to play this one now!

@@anthonyontv let people play how they want, they paid for the game. If they end up ruining it for themselves then that's on them.

@@anthonyontvbecome desensitized is the most realistic mod. It should be in the base game.

@@anthonyontv I love this absolute straw man. You can level every skill but god forbid you become Desensitized or get axe man at lvl 10 axe as your character becomes accustomed to their new way of life

I play the same way, insane pop, with respawns set to every 3 months. Veteran is an absolute most for that exact reason with weapon durability, as well as the endless hordes around every corner.

im pretty sure that durability on melee weapons is reduced by damage dealt, not how many times you hit a zombie. I feel like when i start one tapping zombies later in the game, my melee weapons degrade much faster.

@@connsmitty Durability is reduced on hit. Experience is based on damage dealt.

@Peniley Majorey take a sip from my trusty can of beer. For huge hordes, I throw in a beta blocker if I really need it. Booze isn't that hard to get. And all in all, I don't find the lower damage that harsh, considering I like carrying a crowbar at the start which do terrible damage either way just to get my maintenance up.

@Peniley Majorey yeah ive never been too effected by the damage loss either especially since ill usually take strong or something like that

@Peniley Majorey it's honestly inconsequential if you use beta blockers, you'd have to be on really high pop settings for cowardly panic generation to cancel out bb panic reduction, and you shouldn't be fighting indoors in the first place claustro or not. there's a reason why the devs made claustro+cowardly incompatible in their quest to make the vanilla game as monotone as possible, it's an amazing build w/ the eternal speed bonus and an on-demand off switch for whenever you wanna fight i don't think desen is worth it in any context as long as beta blockers exist in their current state and zombies give them to you from the start of the game, and it's not really worthwhile to invest into aiming in a vanilla game, but if you use something like brita's and can make spawns more plentiful i'd go either police officer or hunter trait personally

@penileymajorey7174 Cowardly/Hemophobic/Claustrophobic/Very Underweight/Smoker are my go-to always-take negative traits, and I always take Very Strong (or whatever the max strength is). The panic indoors isn't an issue if you get a big enough room to sleep in (for singleplayer) and when you're clearing out buildings you draw them outside. Kill the zombies around, then open a door and shout to bring the zombies to the door. The damage debuffs from panic are ignored with a long-blunt weapon, like a crowbar, and the high strength. Beta blockers aren't too uncommon and I always hit up a pharmacy as my 2nd or 3rd major looting location (food - skill books - medical supplies) so I have a few, and you pop 1 and you're immune to panic for a couple in game hours. You see the panic moodle again? Take another one. You can do it while you're walking and fast-shamblers can't outrun your walking pace unless your leg's injured. I also play with "become desensitized" as a mod so after about 1k zombie kills I become immune to panic and cowardly/hemophobic/claustrophobic disappear.

Depends what kind of a player you are, if you use mods and what is your end game goal

Go forage ammo wtf

Does that actually work? I've never found ammo while foraging.

You find ammo so rarely during foraging. 50% more of almost nothing is still almost nothing.

@Juliett-A According to the PZ Wiki, Ammo has an item weight distribution of 1 overall, but 2 in trailer parks and towns, as well as being a Lv. 4 Foraging find. That's probably why you haven't found any.

@Adesterr Ammo's not the only thing Veterans can find. They also have +20% chance of finding herbs, +10% in finding wild plants, +5% in finding both forest rarities and wild animals, and a 75% bigger Foraging radius.

@@Juliett-A Are you setting ammo as your search target or keeping it on "Anything"

I've checked the wiki and panic doesn't lower aiming. It might be wrong tho

@@thebreadstealer578 they affect the accuracy on ANY weapon, ranged ones are the most affected becayse, duh, they are 100% reliant on hit %. You can even end with firing a SG that hits NOTHING at times. Melee, Panic affects the ability to make effective hits, so Crit % is lower. Firearms, Panic both lower Critical Hit % as well as odds of rollinga Miss when shooting

There's no telling how old your veteran is, so Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy might also intensify.

Fortunate son is an anti war anti elite song. I ain't no senators son.

​@@andrehashimoto8056 doesnt panic lower melee damage also? Veteran is recommended for people having trouble in largely dense zones veteran absolutely profits if you just have a urge to kill every one last zombie but if you want to take it slow and steady you just wasted points

It might be unintended, but it works as expected from the code I looked at. You still immediately start generating stress again due to the blood which means you need to smoke way more often if you are trying to avoid the debuff from the later stages.

@@Retanaru Yeah.

The foraging thing is completely exaggerated. It increases the distance you can see ammo from while foraging. It doesn't increase the spawn rate, which is very low.

it affects all your damage, both melee and ranged + crit chance, but i believe range bebuff removes when you reach aim lvl 6, just check wiki bruh, though its hard to collect relevant info cause on different wikis info also may be different

It reduces melee crit chance and I think it reduces its damage too and the effects are clearly noticeable. It is more noticeable on ranged 'cause of the massive accuracy lost.

Personally, I think if one is going to powerplay being an unemployed is by far the best option as the other occupations are way too expensive. For example, police officer costs 12pts while veteran costs 16pts total(we have to compare with the +8 we would get by choosing nothing).

i cant give u exact report. but as far as i play MP i prefer vet, non vet easily got panicked against melee-ing 50-100 zombies horde... while vet just spam pick axe casually... also IMO, the useful gun is only shotgun... its kill rate can pace up with the zombies which coming because the gunfire sound... note: i play vanilla, but with custom setting.

The stock is a major contributor, but the long barrel indirectly has a major influence as well (mostly while using iron sights). With a much longer barrel, the distance between the rear sight block and front sight post are much greater, meaning much smaller changes in your aim look much more obvious in your sight picture, and centering the front sight post in your rear sight aperture is much more accurate. It is all visual rather than actually making the gun more accurate, but it 100% makes aiming easier with longer barrels. For this same reason people will often criticize people who set up their backup iron sights too close together, as it makes a less accurate sight picture overall

Just play with Lucky trait. You will have a lot of zombies with guns and ammo.

Never managed to get Kitsunes to work. Crossbows would just never fire even when loaded. Nearly got me killed several times before i uninstalled.

@@unsuspiciousdweller8967 Are you sure you use Remastered Kitsunes Crossbow?Not the "Tweaked" one. Also not all the crossbows shots same bolts, some shot only shorts ones others long. And of course you need to reaload a crossbow with R first. I use with a lot of other weapon mods it works perfect.

@@unsuspiciousdweller8967 Or maybe you just miss because of low aim?

@@unsuspiciousdweller8967 it’s plug and play for me, I dunno what’s up with yours.

PD: I usually do batshit insane popuplation. Never catching panic is just absolutely necessary from day 1 for me.

washing yourself takes pretty long in this game, although it does depend on the clothes you wear.

He has WHAT

No he doesnt have marksman sadly. Not in build 41. And you still suffer the crit % loss so your damage is less overall when compared even with marksman? You can plot the #s in ecel yourself if you dont believe me. Lets try a thought experiment, who does more dmg when both are at aim 10 fighting a horde? Test for yourself and see, i have and vet used his ammo more efficiently (more 1 shot kills, esp from guns that normally wont). That tiny bit of crit bonus does alot and it raises your crit % to the point where the majority of your shots are 1 shot kills. Even after 150 days you still get a -crit for a second or so per 10-15 zombies, with brave and drunk applied.. now imagine fighting a few hundred? I think your playing on 2 ez of a difficulty to see the difference. The only thing PO has over vet is he levels faster, thats it. Once they reach max level vet is better than any in the game hands down for damage output. You could even take most of the neglidgeable negative traits and go 0 fit 0 str (because fit and str DO NOT effect shooting damage whatsoever. Same with being overencumbered... and drive bys are your most efficient way to get to level 10 shooting. even more of a reason why you can start fit 0 str 0 as you can get to lvl 5 mech in 1 day with vhs, making walking essentially null, as why would you when you can murder everything with 1 shot from the comfort of your 270 degree armor car. Assuming the police officer doesnt have marksman (testable, he doesnt have it anymore) the vet out dps's every time. Crank the difficulty up beyond vanilla settings and test and youll see what i mean.

It applies to all skills. The problem here is in how XP is calculated. By default the player gains 25% (75% XP reduction) and so the +75% from starting on one point doesn't take you from 100% to 175%, its taking you from 25% to 100%.

When the zombie goes from 20 feet to 10 feet away and you start doing 50% less damage.... Was fun times to test weapons lol.

Normally I get yelled at by the "gates wide open but not for meta gaming scum" part of the community.

@@Retanaru Yeah, I wish they would just get over themselves. Like I will upload a video of me doing something that is stupid but fun and without fail there is always one guy in the comments leaving a textwall calling me a idiot for not hoping over the fence instead of juking the horde. Yeah i ran through it because it seemed fun

Js- shotgun with choke tube Full does as much damage will loading 6 shots instead of 2 😊

​@@Frank-ru5im yeah, but that requires that component, and really, how many shots are you getting off at a time while training a horde? Holding six shells just increases the likelihood I miscalculate and need to rack or reload. Double barrel gets the lethality with great spread, especially sawed off. It sweeps inside buildings. I still love the js-2000 though. All firearms have their purpose, and being intimately knowledgeable with each one and their designated roles will prolong your life

the thing is you can easily learn to hotwire cars and why do you need to open a door when you cans mash it. carpenter isnt that good imo because you can easily learn carpentryu from life and living and then dissasemble stuff

carpentry is one of the easiest to level occupations in the game so going carpenter is pretty much overkill. Having A bonus in carpentry is still nice though but handy can provide that if you can afford it (8 points is costly but it also gives a bonus to maintenance and has the nice bonus of making your barricades etc. stronger)

I do this with police officer. Starts with 4 aiming and the bonus level in nimble. Can use pretty much any gun immediately effectively. Couple with fast learner and it only takes

desensitized can be gained after surviving after 6+ months

​@@VCGGBPS2 you won't be desensitized but you will gain panic slower than initially, but you will get it still

It still bounces off the low tier of panic every once in a while (does basically nothing), but its gone before it matters.

I fight with guns a lot and noticed that brave doesn't do anything. It might have to do with negative traits I choose like blood phobic smoking ect.

Mod for that thankfully. Hopefully devs realize this and add it especially for things like winter. Where you'll need to be good at keeping boredom away too

@robertothesupermutant830 well, you can rest on chairs ........ by standing next to them ..... yeah, makes perfect sense 🤣

Should be the compound bow from Bow and Arrows, but I have the addon mods for it so it might have came from one of those. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2208315526&searchtext=bow+and+arrows

@@Retanaru Thanks 👍

Prolly depends on the server

Panic reduction does work in mp, but its been changed to character age. If you screw up the date on your server you get stuck at day zero panic reduction though, so make sure the admin isn't messing with the date to avoid winter or skip ahead.

No, it increases the distance veterans see ammo spawns from when foraging. It doesn't increase the amount that spawns.