Thank you! We don't play favorites here!

Absolutely. But I have to admit, part of the reason I decided to make this video was simply because I was curious myself.

Thank you very much, glad you liked it. As I say often, I'm just here to give information. I don't care if anyone buys a ball that they see in my video. I have no stake in it. I just want people who do decide to get something to have the knowledge they need to make the correct purchase for them. Bowling balls ain't cheap!

Thanks :)

I wouldn't say it absorbs almost no oil. It's reactive. It absorbs lots of oil.

@@Swish710 I've had 3 Shocks. They seem to act like urethane when it comes to oil absorption. It stays on the surface and is easy to wipe off. When I bake them almost zero oil comes out of the ball.

@@shanestiles4193 Maybe in your experience, but in mine it absorbs oil a bunch - check out the picture in this very video of the track flare - much of the oil is already absorbing into the ball. Maybe the difference is because this was a brand new ball so the pores were already completely open. Yours might be full already.

@ Shane Stiles/ yeah Man, I used to be a fanatic about Motiv, now I buy whatever ball is doing good still have 5 Motiv balls. Anyways yeah man your solid on that Shock, I got 2 still NIB, but that’s the 1st ball I throw out even if I know @ a tournament as long it’s not 47-43. The best benchmark ball ever made. It’s been out since 2014 more so than the Hy Road✌🏼

@@Swish710the right answer is, motiv absorbs less oil than other brands. Each Brand has its strenghts. Longevity is one of Motivs.

That's dedication right there!

Thanks very much - The last part of your comment means a lot to me, truly. It's hard for smaller channels like mine to leave its mark when surrounded by Touring Pros and pro shop guys who spend all day in bowling centers, people who are just interested in clickbait videos, and others who are more interested in making videos than they are in having something useful to say. Regarding the layout, putting the pin up that high is relatively new to me. I decided I'd try it out because I wasn't having much success with lower diff balls (I've went through 4 Venom Shock layouts and I'm on my third IQ Tour - the one from this video being the best one so far) because they didn't flare enough for my ball speed. But at the same time, if I just lower the pin to PAP distance, they'd either just flare too much and "flare-spin" down the lane and never corner, or sometimes just hook too early and die. I needed a way to get them to flare enough to recover, but also with the recovery being fast enough to make up for my ball speed. Slower bowling balls generally don't work too well for me, which presents its own set of problems, obviously. It's actually funny, this weekend I showed a video of me bowling to someone who hasn't seen me bowl in a decade and he said "wow, it's amazing how much slower you throw the ball now" - I'm like ARE YOU KIDDING ITS STILL TOO FAST hahaha

@@Swish710 Your delivery is definitely a good demonstration of the true ball characteristics. I will be sending my customers to your channel for doing their research. I tend to find the 4" range of pin-PAP to roll forward less and have a more controllable midlane than the 5" range. For example, I have two Hustles in my bag: one with the pin at 5.25" and the other 3.75". The shorter pin tends to have a more defined skid-hook-roll pattern (benchmark territory), and it corners much better from inside angles. The longer pin has worked well with surface when playing parallel on shorter light volume house shots and/or sport patterns. The Track Sensor is one of the most effective balls I have right now for longer high volume house shots. 60x3.75x33. Skids clean almost to the end of the pattern, flares 4+" on the backend, and hits like a truck on a 41' 26 unit house shot.

@@byronfranek2706 that's pretty interesting because for me it's the opposite. Anything 5" or more gives me a much more defined breakpoint, I'm guessing because they flare less and save more energy, where anything less than that usually is rounder, probably due to the increased flare. Obviously, it depends on the specific ball characteristics, but my general rule for me personally has become if I want the ball to have a more defined breakpoint and roll more forward on the backend, I go over the middle finger which puts it at around 5 1/8, and if I want something that hooks more but is rounder, I go over the ring finger, which is about 4 3/4 or so. Anytime I drill anything around 3 3/4 pin to PAP, the ball just flare-spins the entire way down the lane and never actually hooks.

Oh I don't think anyone needs all three. It's probably unusual but will happen that someone will need 2 (like you), to be honest. (Obviously not talking about touring pros, who have 43 of everything lolol)

Thanks very much, glad you liked it!

Glad you liked it! 😁😁

You're very welcome, happy to help. I hope it is great for you too!

You're welcome, glad you liked it!

Happy you liked it!

Longer Pin to PAP sounds good, but do keep in mind that a smaller VAL angle will put the pin up high, and the higher up a pin is, the more the ball will flare. More Flare = earlier and sharper hook. Less flare (pin lower) = later and smoother hook. You might have to change the box surface of the ball and put a little shine on it to make up for the higher pin (not saying 100% for sure, but just something to keep in the back of your mind, just in case). Also, thank you very much for the compliment, I appreciate that you like my channel. I should tell you though that I am now, in the time since I made this video, a Track Staffer. However, that will not change my video format. I'm not here to hype balls up. I just want to give information -- what a ball does, what types of bowlers might benefit from it, what types of lane conditions it might work better on. Still the same video format, I'll just only be doing videos for balls from the Brands of Brunswick. I do hope that won't turn you off the channel because I do think my video format is still different and unique. Because you are right - too many people out there want to tell you every single release is the best ever, balls are "special,: yada yada yada. I don't see that as my role or something I even want to do. I just want to give information and let people make their own decisions and judgments. Thanks for watching!

Yeah it's such a unique ball, there really isn't anything on the market like it.

Thanks!

Thank you!

I don't generally deal in descriptors like "better" or "worse" - every ball is better for someone than another. I prefer to use more descriptive terms like "earlier" or "more angular" or things like that, so people get a better idea of what the characteristics and differences are from one ball to another, so it helps them pick the ball that is better for them. 😁

Thank you. And yes, I understand that drilled numbers are more important, but it's also not possible for any of us "regular people" to know what the drilled numbers are in the vast majority of cases. And while Radical lists drilled numbers, they only do so for a couple of "recommended" layouts. You and I both know that a *lot* of bowlers don't use those exact "recommended" layouts. I certainly don't, I'm guessing you don't either, and I'd guess that it's a majority of the time when you consider all bowlers and all pro shop operators. So obviously the drilled numbers are different and unknowable, because it's impossible to list drilled numbers for every single possible layout. The number of possible layouts is infinite. And that's not even to mention what if the bowler is using a ball from a different company that doesn't list drilled numbers. So while undrilled numbers are much less informative, they can at least give a bowler a starting point to get a feel for what the general characteristics of the core are. And that's better than nothing.

The Venom Shock hooks more than both the Hydra and the Cobra. It's more of a midlane ball, not a huge backend ball though. You might want something a bit longer and stronger in the back. Right now, if you're you're looking for a MOTIV ball that does that, I'd say you might want to check out the new Ripcord Launch. That should fit what you're looking for.

@@Swish710 I see, huge thanks for the insight! Would you say that the Hydra is more backend than the Venom Shock? Also by any chance have you bowled with the Track Paradox Pearl before, because based off some research it seems to hook more at the backend.

Ball speed about 18.5mph off my hand, rev rate around 450rpm

The red/green/black one from back in the day? I used to. That was definitely a while ago. Don't have it any more. I can give a comparison from memory if you want - it's a decent comparison, but I'd say the IQ Tour Nano had a bit more downlane motion. The RG was higher, and saved a little more energy. Plus don't underestimate how strong the cover on the Venom Shock is - that's a big part of why it's such a versatile ball. It is easily a counterpart to the Nano cover.

The various ball manufacturers all create ball motion and desired reaction in different ways. Those "flip pucks" can increase differential and RG by drawing some of the density away from the center of the core, but it's not the only way to do so. I wouldn't consider it more special or effective when one company does their thing as opposed what another company does.

Thanks Jeff. I appreciate your response!

@@Remark997 anytime!

Maybe, but as you can see from the video here, the IQ isn't really that much weaker than the venom, just a little longer. You could lay it out weaker and that could work, but it might not. The cover still might want to hook in the dry. Personally, I've always been a fan of weaker cover on a stronger core, rather than stronger cover on a weaker core.

@@Swish710 what balls are out that with weak cover strong core at the moment if you could recommend a few. Thank you

@@michaelkoch603 Unfortunately there are not very many of them right now at all. As a result, I tend to look for balls with covers that although not weak, are very clean through the first 40 feet of the lane. They save energy well. I think my favorites right now are the Track Paragon Hybrid and the Hammer 3-D Offset Attack. They have worked the best for me this league season and in tournaments. Neither of them are weak balls by any stretch of the imagination - both have a lot of hook and hitting power to be sure - but they are very clean and don't do anything unpredictable in the first 40 feet or so of the lane, which is what I'm looking for. Because lane conditions have so much more oil now than they used to, looking for weak cover/strong core probably isn't that viable right now anyway for most conditions. So clean cover/strong core is probably what I need to start focusing on more (unless I'm bowling on a longer pattern or one that has a ton of oil, of course).

Thank you. I'm trying to learn how to use DaVinci Resolve. I'm not good at it yet, but we'll get there.

@@Swish710 already quite nice.

It's actually both. So for example, if you have two balls with a 5" pin to PAP, but on one the pin is way up in Narnia and the other the pin is below your fingers, the pin up ball will flare more. Drilling the ball with the pin up high increases the differential of the ball, which makes it flare more. Think of it as a tuning knob. You decide how much flare you want by pin to PAP, and then you tweak it by going higher for more flare, earlier hook and sharper backend, or going lower for less flare, later hook and smoother backend.

Small world funny story I remember you from Gil Hodges years ago I used to watch guys like you and Chris fisher bowl when I was younger.

@@petersavino3890 Good times back then!

I just came from Vegas and was able to get a peek at the lane conditions for Singles and Doubles - there's a lot of oil out there this year. I would imagine that you can probably use a stronger ball than you think for all 6 games (obviously depending on your style and your teammates, too). All 3 of these balls might actually be too weak this year!

Originally I was looking at the New black widow 3.0.

@kickstandkurt9698 that could be really good. I've heard the Hammer Extreme Envy has been good out there, too. Ronnie Sparks just shot 299 with it yesterday!

From what I’ve heard longer pattern is doubles and singles and team shorter

@@kickstandkurt9698 Yes, that's correct

My teammate has one of those and he loves it!

@@Swish710 I got a new one just a couple weeks ago because the Rattler has been unavailable due to back order.

@@CKBowling1 wow, didn't realize the Rattlers were on backorder.

@@Swish710 ya I am in the STL area, nobody has it. Even checked Imperial bowlersmart, no luck. My PSO is a Brunswick staffer and couldn’t get me one. Haha

About 450

@@Swish710 Ty sir!! Great video btw old but gold! Very analytical breakdown much appreciated

@@joshtherrien4076 Thanks, glad you liked it!

Hi B&B! No, the Radical Rattler is not a rerelease. There was a Brunswick Rattler that was out years ago, but that was a completely different ball in every way. The core and cover were different. The numbers were different and even the logo was different. They just happened to re-use the name. I didn't compare against the Phaze 2 because that's a much stronger ball. It's a medium-high differential ball, flares a bunch, and is intended for higher volume conditions.

@@Swish710 oh yeah it was a Brunswick. My bad. Yeah I wasn't saying you should do a direct comparison. I'm just saying that I was having a gap in my bag with respect to symmetric balls and I was comparing those two in my head. The Phaze 2, and Venom Shoch were ones i was considering adding to my arsenal.

@@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS as someone with two big balls in the bag (dv8 hellcat, quantum evo pearl) and a radical spy, I've been looking for something for transition to fill in the gap. I've been eyeballing the rattler, but also symmetric pearls like the fatal venom, scorpion sting, ocean vibe and track sensor/kinetic black ice. Which direction would you recommend for a fourth ball?

@@iceman5117 I'm not a pro bowler, but i like the idea of your 4th ball being symmetrical since you've already have two asymmetrical big balls with one of each solid and pearl. The spy being plastic bowl will be good for drylines and heavily transitioned. I haven't rolled the stinger yet, but it looks very interesting and I've been checking it out myself. Some of the decision about which ball to get depends on your reverie and if you're one-handed or two-handed and if you prefer a smoother rounder hook or a later more angular hook. The stinger looks a little bit cleaner and more anger and more reactive to the dry on the outside. The ocean vibe for me was best after I took a 4,000 grit Avalon pad to it. It's a smooth arching motion and doesn't overreact the dry very predictable. I haven't rolled this one either. But a lot of people like the rotor grip hustle Royal grip hustle bowling ball. Hustle camo and hustle wine are also for light to medium oil for half shots and I'm dryer house shots... There's really a lot of choices. There's even stuff like hyped, solid and hyped pearl. The best thing to do is find a KZfaq reviewer who has a similar bowling style to yours and see what balls look good in their hands

@@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS I'm one handed, fairly angular with a medium and speed matched rev rate. I had a midnight vibe years and years ago, but my swing was significantly different. My biggest fear is going too weak. I'd like to start bowling tournaments, but at the moment I'm just bowling league, where this will be a second or third ball out of the bag during late night transition, either when I have a bunch of crankers on the other team burning up the line, or when the house lays it out short and dry, both situations where I would normally switch back to the hellcat and play up the middle. I'm afraid balls like the sensor and hustles may not be able to cover enough boards, where the scorpion sting, vibe, kinetic black ice, ripcord launch, etc would

I found it a nice middle ground between the early and forward Venom Shock and the clean and round IQ Tour. Sometimes either of those two balls isn't right, but is close, and the Rattler has fit in well to make that reaction happen.

I don't recall saying the cover was weak. Did I?

@@Swish710 I guess I inferred it because you said the Venom's cover is so much stronger.

@@cardinalcopium5088 Stronger is relative, right? For example, the Hammer Envy is stronger than the Cuda Powercor, but the Cuda is not weak by any means.

@@Swish710 funny thing is my Cuda is stronger than my Envy

@@cardinalcopium5088 I should probably rephrase that and say earlier, not stronger. If the ball is too early it can use energy too quickly and not cover as many boards. Strength is a vague term, and I should use it less.

There's a reason it's easily a Top 10 ball of all time.

You obviously don't know what the swing means, so instead of being insulting, maybe you should ask so you can learn something.

Lol, I know what you think it means bro. I’ve been bowling probably longer than you have. After the 1st 20 swings your not doing anything lmfao.

@@user-wn6pr4qh5v You're exactly right. I'm not doing anything. You just faceplanted into the point and you don't even realize it. Bro.

Oh ok man, whatever you say.​@@Swish710

@@user-wn6pr4qh5v Thanks for watching and supporting the channel!