Pac definitely had the lock on gangsterism meets reflective thinking man

Shiitttttt.... Rap used to have to have a message The first socially conscious hip hop record is called THE MESSAGE, then Run DMC did it, Kurtis Blow... anyone that's ever had a socially conscious record on their album has done what Pac did... Which was basically every artist in the 80s early 90s hip hop especially after the advent of crack cocaine and before gangster rap took a strangle hold of mainstream music. You guys who think Tupac invented the intelligent Hoodlum archetype need to go back and research early Hip Hop. The man was wholly influenced by the 80s as was alot of his material

Facts

Nobody makes couple of insults on a beat and call it the best diss track ever

Tupac is the goat he was more influential on hiphop than probably any other rapper aside from Nas and Jay Z

@@fromdajump Bro nas an jay aint got shit on Tupac worldwide I know this cause im from New Zealand an everybody knows Tupac is GOAT

@@PR-WAY 100% and here as well in middle east. Pac is worldwide.

​@@fromdajumpSTOP giving credit to Tupac & then take it back in A slick wAy Nas & Jay doesn't had half the influence Pac have til this day

hail mary come with me...

Cap

That's one way to look at it

Where do y'all get ur information from? Both stars were all over MTV. There is no local at that point... Biggie did shows all over the US and was booked in London before he passed.

@@futureflavors205 so you think just because Biggie got booked to be in London makes him worldwide? Man Pac reached a lot more ear’s than that lol

@@GTA_DISCIPLE It makes him international The only times Pac was invited to perform overseas was with Digital underground and to walk the runway for Versace cause Gianni had a gay crush on him - Tupac was not booked for shows internationally. He barely toured the US after AEOM. I think he did maybe two shows w Deathrow

@@futureflavors205 fam 2Pac is one of the most influential person this world have come across. His influence in Hip Hop is like no other, we even compare him to Malcolm X when it comes to social justice, classes are being taught on the man himself and his poetry. Murals of Pac are everywhere.

I bet you Pac is big in NY too

@@PR-WAY dem folks r undercover pac listeners so dey dont upset christophers fanatics

you are hilarious

@@fromdajump im just stating da Facts jumperboy

And that's fine too

Lyricism is not emphasized enough tbh

Exactly, 2pac was dope. I had to go back & take a listen to the song If I Die 2nite, when he uses the letter P in such a way that`s dope and it be straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Pussy and paper is poetry,power and pistols" Plotting on murdering mother fuckers before they get ya picturing pitiful punk niggaz copping pleas puffin weed as I position myself to clock G`s.

They act like biggie is this lyrical genius lol when he's no where near PACs level at all

Biggie was a better rapper, 2pac was a better artist!

@@marcozuleta133 that’s a good way to put it

Definitely

Check out our other episodes like our review of Lupe Fiasco’s Ms Mural off Drill Music In Zion or Nas’s King’s Disease albums - we got plenty of content for you. Thanks for watching 🙏

And what specifically would you call out here?

Biggie was a better rapper, 2pac was a better artist!

​@@marcozuleta133NOT Pac all day

He's got a lot of hits that are always on my replay list

He's got a lot of hits that are always on my replay list

Having a message is a forgotten art

Well, this is a poor argument The root word of rapper is RAP. Tupac covering social commentary in his raps is cool I guess but it doesn't mean he was a better RAPPER than anyone. Pac may have given better speeches or interviews than any rapper but that just makes him a good orator. Nas is a fantastic rapper but a horrible interview and orator. The two are not interchangeable

@@futureflavors205 bro have listened to Tupacs catalog he mastered RAP aint nobody on his level why do you think the world still bumps his shit an call him the GOAT

We cover this in our Tupac video. He had so many dimensions. Biggie had a singular point in time. One could argue that he is only as relevant as he is because his timeline intersected wit Pac.

BIG stood toe to toe with Pac

He's the DJ I'm the Rapper first 💿💿in Rap... So lock Pac up for biting while you at it. Oh I forgot the rules different when it's Pac for y'all goofies

@@futureflavors205 who he bite xhump

@@trellcarson Melle Mel - Brenda Divine Sounds - Dear mama Ray Luv - Trapped The saying - "my only fear of death is reincarnation" - Mental LL Cool J, Heavy D and Biggie were all on Versace first Biggie Called himself "The Don" first... It's probably more but that's enough for your feeble mind to handle right now

@@futureflavors205 did u just really use Ray luv his friend who they used to make music with and all them weak examples our great omission to say that pac is not a biter but is a student of hiphop and gave a shout out .. u just said they all were designer xlothes first stop it 5 everyone wears them clothes nothing special about that

@@futureflavors205 how could biggie be on versace and he was broke u sound Brazy

and what are your favorite Pac lyrics?

In a discussion SPECIFICALLY focused on technique and skill in the art of rapping words over beats, yes, substance is not the focus of the conversation. Read the room and pay attention to context.

Care to expand on that?

We spoke about the technique of rapping specifically, as hiphop is multidimensional technique is only one aspect. Content, and message are another. Not every rapper has to be a conscious rapper to be considered dope, and not every conscious rapper can rap with the flow Biggie had. If you want to look into deeper topics, check out our episodes on Lupe Fiasco redefining the genre or how Nas squashed beef with 21 Savage: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idtnhtKimLjHm6c.html

Tupac mastered RAP use a obviously not Pac fans

@@PR-WAY Tupac is one of our favorite rappers, but just because we love his music doesn’t mean on a podcast episode covering the release of Biggie’s album - on the same day it was released in 1997 - that we can’t give Big his flowers for the characteristics flow he is famous for

Thank you kause they saying oh He was better technically.. man stop.. Larry bird a better 3 pt shooter then mj but he ain’t a better player

@@trellcarson that is worth discussing - whether Pac was a better overall rapper based on influence and legacy than Big - instead of what we discussed which was the art of flow

That’s a good point

Bro Tupacs the GOAT get use to it you can talk all that shit but he will always be the GOAT it's jus FACTS

With Pac it wasn't about just headlines. The reason people like Pac is because they can relate to and feel what he is saying in his songs. Pac comes from a poetry background. His approach to rap is the same as poetry. Then when you add in Pac's voice and his charisma, that's why he was the top rapper in the game before he passed. For a guy who was "mid to below average at the time compared to his peers", his peers didn't think so. Biggie was a fan of Tupac before he even met him. Ice Cube was a Pac fan. Nas was a big Pac fan. Snoop was a fan of Pac. Most rappers at that time were fans of Tupac.

@@TheRexrapper there is no argument with what you have said - I think where th disconnect comes in, is taking legacy out and just focusing on the ability to flow - that’s where Biggie shines more, even if Big doesn’t have the canon of 2Pac’s career

@@fromdajump Biggie is a better technical rapper. I don't think that's what most people would argue against. Most people know that wasn't Pac's style. I think it just comes down to taste. Do you prefer a rapper with better flow/lyricism or a rapper who makes you feel what he's saying along with more wide range content? Some people prefer the technical aspect and would chose Biggie. Some prefer the emotional aspect and would chose Pac.

I can see that because they were friends before they became enemies and Pac was the more established artist for sure

good point!@@fromdajump

Pac created something that lived beyond himself, that hustler turned social activist play worked out well

@@fromdajump 😆😆😆😆

Respect 🙏

Biggie wasn't better in nothing dealing with rapping

Duane Nettlesby who produced on Thug Life album said Pac was a fake gangster 😭 said bro was Hootie and the blowfish 😭😭🤣

@@futureflavors205 I knew folks who rode with PAC’s crew and it wasn’t fake, there were constant threats of drive bys

@@futureflavors205 we know he was a hater u Kant fake shooting cops and beating people up Never heard a pac running story ever but we did see biggie not respond to hit em up

BIG is far superior. Pac is medicore.

I mean that's like saying don't compare coke with pepsi both have different flavors for different people

when it comes to flow, I agree

​@@3rdGenerationCancer LmaO

You can like Biggie and Pac for different reasons no law against that

​@@fromdajump He wasn't sayin that reply back 2 what he actually wrote

Most overrated may be a reach. He was definitely a dope MC but he never got a chance to reach his potential either RIP.

thank you

2pac is way better than biggie in every dimension of hip hop. 💯

Feel free to elaborate. As a fan of both artists this is just fun dialogue. What is you favorite Pac song?

That’s what we are thinking - Pac has more depth as a lyricist but Biggie has more technical skill at flow and rapping

Nah bro, Pac is worldwide plus they have school courses on Pac in collage, his lyrics are being studied Pac is a curriculum now. Plus he has statues in Germany, Asia, Africa and Russia. BIG has none of that, maybe in New York but that`s it. So all that talk you saying maybe we`ll recognize him from his movies, nah bro we`ll recognize Pac from all of the things he has done contributing to Hip Hop & the fact he started a movement. GrandMaster Melle Mel has said BIG dope don`t get me wrong , but Pac stated a whole movement Pac was on another level with his Thug Life movement. T. The H. Hate U. You G. Gave L. Little I. Infants F. Fucks E. Everybody He pulled some homeless people from off the cold streets and had them stay at his mansion ( that`s Documented ). Pac was for his people. He never said he was the best....EVER. It was his huge fan base that gave him that titled. And don`t say Pac don`t have say Pac ain`t Lyrical, cause that`s a lie. 2pac was dope. I had to go back & take a listen to the song If I Die 2nite, when he uses the letter P in such a way that`s dope and it be straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Pussy and paper is poetry,power and pistols" Plotting on murdering mother fuckers before they get ya picturing pitiful punk niggaz copping pleas puffin weed as I position myself to clock G`s. There is so much more that make Pac who he is and that`s The Greatest Of All Time-----The GOAT!!!

@@1969Makaveli Notice how fans of Biggie, Nas, Jay, G-Rap, Kane, Ras Kass, Kurupt etc never have to tell ppl that these Emcees are lyrical 😂 If we're being honest, Tupac wasn't a better rapper than the lady of rage. If we talking rhyme structure and cadence Da brat would've given Tupac that work. Look Pac was a good/ above avg song writer. But he doesn't have tight punchlines or delivery. Pac has some classic material. So does MC hammer and Noreaga. It doesn't make them lyricists

@@futureflavors205 Look bro that`s YOUR opinion. All Pac haters say the same shit over & over again. If they was so great their rhymes would be a curriculum and their lyrics would be studied. Teachers scholars are giving classes on 2pac`s words. This is facts. But ok whatever YOU say. Pac was better than good, he was great. So YOU can save all that Pac was a good/above average song writer lol. Pac has punchlines and delivery. Come back to me when YOU have another rapper on the same level as Tupac. As far as being studied in schools in collage and have statues in Germany, Asia, Africa & Russia. And is well loved by the whole world and still to this day being talked about good or bad. And another thing Pac said he wasn`t the best rapper....he never said that. It was us the fans that gave him that title. His huge fan base did that and we came out to support him by buying his records. From 1993 Strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z to now every album has reached platinum status. Your favorite rapper why isn`t no one supporting him like that? Fans are suppose to support your favorite am I right? So again....Pac the GOAT enough said.

@@1969Makaveli That's not just my opinion. You brought up Melle Mel, but even he said Biggie was a better rapper. Shock G and money B have said the same thing. And that's a very objective and simple answer - Biggie. Now if the question was who makes the stanboys cream their Jeans and cry in their bandanas every Sept 13th, it's definitely Cheddar Pac. But again popular doesn't equal better. McDonald's is in every country on earth, doesn't mean it's the best

thank you

Not true

haha care to expand on that?