Who Were the Maccabees? (And what did they mean for Jesus?)

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2 жыл бұрын

What did the ancient Jews have in mind when they thought "Messiah"?
Included in some Bibles, but not often found in Protestant Bibles, are the Books of Maccabees. They detail some pretty intense stories, stories that help give context to the Gospels in the New Testament. The Jews were living in a time that had specific and intricate political and religious realities. We try to distill some of these events so we can get a better idea of the world the Jesus enters and ministers into.
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@johnbreitmeier3268 9 ай бұрын

Pretty good summary but you missed 2 huge and related points directly to your subject: 1) You did mention the one non-Levitical high priest being appointed but you completely missed the Maccabees - of the tribe of Levi and the Houses of Aaron and Zadok - grabbing not only the high priesthood for the Hasmoneans but also usurping the throne of David to which they had zero Biblical right. Descending from Zadok or Saddok, they became the Sadducees. 2) This spawned the two major political parties of Judea AND their doctrinal positions that are a constant background noise in the Gospels. To make this usurption seem legitimate, the sadducees HAD to de-legitimize the books of the prophets that spoke repeatedly of a Messiah from the House of David and the tribe of Judah, hence they only acknowledged the 5 Books of Moses where the tribe of Levi was in charge. To rebut this, the Pharisees party, largely of the tribe of Judah, was born. They invented the synagogue to take religious instruction away from the Temple. They invented the position and office of rabbi to lead that instruction or indoctrination. Those rabbis were seldon Levites and were Judeans often of the House of David like Hillel and Gamaliel. Neither is mentioned in the Old Testament. They emphasized the prophets and also invented "the oral Torah" That eventually became the Talmud which BOTH Jesus and the Sadducees roundly rejected. If you do not see that, you miss a lot of what is going on in the Gospels. Jesus, a Judean of the House of David, is claiming to be BOTH Messiah King, heir of David AND the High Priest of Israel offering himself as sacrifice, as well as being Yahweh himself. At the same time he roundly rejects the Judean Pharisees for putting words in God's mouth and trying to seize the priesthood themselves. He is basically telling the Sadducees, who were still heading the Roman puppet government to get off his throne. They both hated him for very obvious reasons once you know who they really were.

@TheThinkingBeliever 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for chiming in! I love the extra detail. Can you recommend a resource or two that talk through those connections? I'm always looking to learn.

@johnbreitmeier3268 7 ай бұрын

@@TheThinkingBeliever The oldest sources are 1&2 Maccabees and Josephus' Antiquity of the Jews. Lookup when and where the first synagogue was built, when rabbis began to be a thing, when the Pharisees began.

@cindyriebel7790 5 ай бұрын

Fascinating. Thank you.

@thetruedoctrineofchristnet7473 4 ай бұрын

@@johnbreitmeier3268WOW this is absolutely amazing. It shows who the really are!! Deceivers is what they are. So why is it that these books were not included in the BIBLE. It seems to be informative and sheds light on a lot of questions we have.

@johnbreitmeier3268 4 ай бұрын

@@thetruedoctrineofchristnet7473 I &2 Maccabees are in the Catholic and some Protestant Bibles and easy to find elsewhere. They are part of the Apocrypha. Books of the Old Testament era considered useful by the Protestant Reformers but not equal in inspiration to the canonical ones. Luther did not like Maccabees because a passage in 2 Maccabees was used by Catholics to support the doctrine of purgatory tho reading it shows it does no such thing. The Pharisee rabbis that solidified the Masoretic Hebrew text in the 10th century AD would not have wanted a book that glorified their old rivals the Sadducee priests. Neither Jews nor Christians were likely to Make Josephus' books scripture since Josephus was a captured Pharisee general in the Jewish War of 70 AD who joined Vespasian's Romans in the siege of Jerusalem, We Can't have traitors writing scripture. Jpe did however write an excellent history of that war as an eyewitness and a pretty good retelling of Jewish history for his new Roman friends (Vespasian becomes emperor) using the Old Testament but giving updates beyond even the Maccabees with lots of details there. It or at least a summary of the history should be taught in every church as background. Not all teaching has to be doctrine.

@quartermoon5333 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Very informative without being condescending or boring.

@TheThinkingBeliever Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate the kind words!

@waynepret142 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Especially since I'm reading the book

@dc.pxrecious Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this lesson. I'm from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 and I'm really enjoying your vids.

@TheThinkingBeliever Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the encouragement!

@dc.pxrecious Жыл бұрын

@@TheThinkingBeliever keep up the great work

@PrinceDarius777 Жыл бұрын

This video was very informative! Thanks.

@datoda3593 2 жыл бұрын

Great video

@ninovukasovic7509 Жыл бұрын

Well done brother.Keep the good work.

@huddan6137 10 ай бұрын

Very helpful video! Thank you!

@MirroCosmoKenisis 15 күн бұрын

Your a Teacher. Your gift

@TheThinkingBeliever 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement!

@frankbond4874 2 жыл бұрын

I loved this, keep it up

@lukman_john 9 ай бұрын

Love your vid. From Nigeria...🇳🇬e

@WonbyGrace2 7 ай бұрын

Well done thank you for sharing

@TheRisenLife316 Жыл бұрын

That was a really good video, thank you

@TheThinkingBeliever Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@HEATHERFREE2486 8 ай бұрын

The Jews were actually expecting two messiahs, a Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. They thought Yeshua would be the Messiah ben David (the conquering king) but he came as the suffering servant (Messiah ben Joseph). When Yochanan (John the Baptist) asks if Jesus is the one or should they be looking for someone else, he isn't having doubt and asking if he is the Messiah, he's asking what role he came to fulfill and Yeshua's responds by remezing with scriptures that allude to both Messiahs, saying that he will fulfill both!

@krissaberhagen 7 ай бұрын

where i can find this info? 😮

@TDot-mv8pd 6 ай бұрын

😮‍💨

@CourtTV. 5 ай бұрын

@krissaberhagen he's making it up. Go read homer and the gospel and Cesar messiah

@CourtTV. 5 ай бұрын

Homer and the gospels and Cesar messiah debunks this claim.the new testament is anti tankah. Saccris killed romans

@HEATHERFREE2486 5 ай бұрын

@@krissaberhagen There’s references to Messiah Ben David and Messiah Ben Joseph in various midrashim as well as Talmud Bavli Sukkah 52a-52b. Other good references for this information can be found in “The Messiah Texts” by Raphael Patai and Joseph Good’s book “Rosh Hashana and the Messianic Kingdom to Come”.

@abrahamphilip6439 8 ай бұрын

Judah Macabees & sons would have openly accepted Christ as the Messiah ,

@dashriprock5720 19 күн бұрын

Your thanksgiving joke left out the bit about Philip's milk of Magnesia. I mean what do you expect after a load of Greece and Turkey. Good tutorial!

@zac3k33 7 ай бұрын

alexander the great empire divided into four 4 kingdoms not 3: the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, the Seleucid Empire in the east, the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor, and Macedon.

@TheThinkingBeliever 7 ай бұрын

Yep! For the sake of time I omitted a step and just jumped forward to where things were at by 300 BC. My biggest struggle is always trying to figure out what to cut and what not to. The scripts inevitably start out twice the length I'm aiming for. Hopefully I'll continue getting better at what to include and what not to. Thanks for chiming in!

@zac3k33 7 ай бұрын

@@TheThinkingBeliever I actually pointed this out because of Daniel’s vision, Daniel 8:8 “Then the goat became exceedingly great, but when he was strong, the great horn was broken, and instead of it there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven” so I thought it was important.

@DaveGme 7 ай бұрын

Great content. New sub. Bell rung.

@decay-154 Ай бұрын

I thought a roman ambassidor from Cyprus ordered Antiochus to leave Egypt or be at war with Rome

@andrewhobson 2 ай бұрын

Very good!, filled in some gaps in my knowledge. Present day Israel, has got lots of problems to deal with, but is not part of any empire! Can't be bad!

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 9 ай бұрын

Just small correction, the Antigonids ruled what the Seleucids did in 272 bc. Ptolemaios I even helped Seleukos to get rid of the Antigonids. The Antigonids with Demetrius Polyokertes ultimately made Macedonia their homeland after they killed Kassandros, avenging the murders of the ones who killed Alexander s’wife and heir by poisoning. I know its not a video on the Diadokhi but just wanted to explain better this part of history that has lot of action and betrayal

@user-cm2xj7ew5p 6 ай бұрын

🔥Glory be to you Precious Father. Glory, Glory, Glory, be to you.🔥

@zipjok8850 Жыл бұрын

Interesting video. But I was hoping you were going to talk about the death of the high priest onias and the death of the false high priest menelaus. Maybe you did in a different video. I'll have to check.

@veldrensavoth7119 9 ай бұрын

0:58 Phillip the 3rd

@ReegyDee Жыл бұрын

8:26

@childofGod717 Жыл бұрын

That gave me a fright 😂

@LongLiveTheAlephTau 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your research. None of it mentioned YAHUSHA?

@jessejames-po8kb 5 ай бұрын

Mysterious ways 😉

@SantaFe19484 9 ай бұрын

Nice video, But I thought the revolt started over the fact that the Seleucids sacrificed a pig in the Holy of Holies.

@celesianapier8251 Ай бұрын

U still havn't explain who where the macabees

@miemartine7771 2 жыл бұрын

🌹✝️ Interesting my son, is named Phillip Alexander. And this Jewish born gal's name Martine means Makabi (Maccabees) in Hebrew. And MAR Mary Magdalene TINE The Nailed One Jesus in France, And God of Mars, more generally. With thankfully my Jewish mother and grandmother, beeing only 1.5% of Hungarian Jews, that survived Hitler's Slaughter. Because my German grandfather brought them to Nice France, for safe keeping 🙏

@henkhenkste6076 9 ай бұрын

what?

@dregs8026 Жыл бұрын

God inspired many Bible prophets to provide details about the birth, the ministry, and the death of this promised Deliverer. All these Bible prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. They are amazingly accurate and detailed. consider a few prophecies that foretold events related to the Messiah’s birth and childhood. The prophet Isaiah foretold that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. (Isaiah 9:7) Jesus was indeed born in David’s line. -Matthew 1:1, 6-17. Micah, another prophet of God, foretold that this child would eventually become a ruler and that he would be born in “Bethlehem Ephrathah.” (Micah 5:2) At the time of Jesus’ birth, there were two towns in Israel that were named Bethlehem. One was situated near Nazareth in the northern region of the country, and the other, near Jerusalem in Judah. Bethlehem near Jerusalem was formerly called Ephrathah. Jesus was born in that town, exactly as the prophecy foretold! -Matthew 2:1. Another Bible prophecy foretold that the Son of God would be called “out of Egypt.” The child Jesus was taken into Egypt. He was brought back after the death of Herod, thus fulfilling the prophecy. -Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15. Prophecies While you examine these scriptures, keep in mind that those of a prophetic nature were written down hundreds of years before Jesus’ birth. Jesus stated: “All the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.” (Luke 24:44) As you can verify in your own copy of the Bible, fulfilled they were -in every detail!

@ramonandrajo6348 Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ is fake, so no. XD

@josiahzabel8596 10 ай бұрын

@@ramonandrajo6348 Every historian from Josephus forward lied? Do what you want with Him as Savior but to deny his existence in just plain stupid and requires more work to believe in some vast conspiracy than to accept Historical Truth.

@ramonandrajo6348 10 ай бұрын

@@josiahzabel8596 Not all, but it doesn't take a genius to know that their faith made them think that way in the first place.

@henkhenkste6076 9 ай бұрын

@@ramonandrajo6348 poor feeble minded fool....

@ECLECTRIC_EDITS Ай бұрын

@@ramonandrajo6348Is that any faith in your "god" which is yourself and lies by satan?

@RepentNBelieveNJesus 9 ай бұрын

Why did you call the place Palestine?

@connor1734 8 ай бұрын

Fun history time! After the Romans put down like the 3rd or 4th Jewish revolt, Rome renamed the province Palestine. Palestine being the Roman way of saying Philistine. Like David and Goliath, Philistines. It was a purposefull dig at Hebrew history naming the province after their old foe.

@rosehuez 8 ай бұрын

it's the name of the land

@TheThinkingBeliever 7 ай бұрын

It's a detail I actually spent a lot of time sorting out. The short answer is that it seemed to be the most historically-appropriate name for the region. Herodotus referred to it that way in the 5th century BC and it was used by Greek and Roman authors after that. If memory serves me well, I considered "Judea" but that was a smaller geographic area right around Jerusalem and so not representative of the whole region the video talks about.

@SacredDreamer 9 ай бұрын

...like 🤔 The Zealots ?? Jesus friend Simon,, oh and 2 were called "Sons of Thunder" ,, there might be some stuff we kinda don't know correctly..

@johnking6252 9 ай бұрын

Wonderful narrative, explains the situation very well and historically accurate, however I believe that there are many that would see it differently , regardless of what history teaches. Some people's books are holier than ? Well whatever, I think you're right 👍 & Thx.. Hallelujah 🙏 Shalom and praise Allah 🙏

@fionacc886 8 ай бұрын

Great Video... But why do you think of God as a him... God is Everything not a specific gender.

@joea363 Жыл бұрын

Perhaps we could have avoided disaster of Christianity if the Maccabees were defeated

@TheThinkingBeliever Жыл бұрын

Would you describe Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King Jr, and Mr Rogers as a "disaster"?

@joea363 Жыл бұрын

@@TheThinkingBeliever Mother Teressa was a cruel fraud. MLK was an ethical entrepreneur. Mr. Rogers was a humanist. Why are you conflating these?

@SouthernSilverExchange 11 ай бұрын

@@TheThinkingBelievermy name is Nicholas McCabe. Now...... My wheels are turning.... Could i be?

@SouthernSilverExchange 9 ай бұрын

@TexasCoffeeBreak thank you for the answer Tex. I would really like to do a genealogy type test but man im so suspect of those places collecting and storing DNA. Either way, thank you because i didnt know.

@henkhenkste6076 9 ай бұрын

poor feeble minded shallow fool

@sanitizerwilson1599 10 ай бұрын

Sir I always told one of the many reasons they reject Jesus as the Savior that they expecting King David reborn again. These guys are like Mafia to me really killing a guy cause he making a sacrifice to a different Gods really.

@oppressebeyondmeasure 8 ай бұрын

Tbh that dude JC is not real at all. He's a made up messiah that has the power to do absolutely..... NOTHING😂😂😂 His image doesn't fit the Bible's depiction of the true messiah. Smfh but everybody understands the Bible tho.