Hi Lisa, Thank you for the comment! Coming from the Classic you've got to love the ability to brew and steam simultaneously and the rock solid brew temps. My steam boiler is set to 270F (that's t2 on the PID control) which is max setting. Not unusual to see the display indicate 272 now and then. There is some variation in pressure/temperature relationship based on altitude above sea level. Raising your t2 to 270 will increase the steam power. Personally I like the extra power and I recommend you give it a try. If you feel it's too much you can always dial it back. Marc

@@nothingbutlove3449 my understanding is that distilled water is not ideal for brewing coffee and it may also damage your machine by corroding it.

Lol! If you liked the Gaggia Classic Pro you are going to love the Pro 600 so much. It's a huge upgrade! You'll cut your latte prep time by 70% plus have rock solid brew temps. Did you go with flow control on the 600? Enjoy your new machine and thanks for your kind comment! Marc

Hi jv, Pro 600 and T64 is a fine combo! Thanks for sharing your experience. Marc

Hi Matt, Thanks for sharing your opinion of the Pro 600 - it's appreciated! Very helpful for others considering a purchase! Marc

Where is your review posted? This is more a sales pitch, would love to see an actual review..

@@ajvdwest To be honest, this video is way more in-depth than anything I could write. This machine doesn't do anything poorly (or less than excellently, in my opinion). There are some missing features from a higher end machine, but nothing I care about or want. As an example, I have no interest in plumbing in a machine, so the reservoir-only setup is perfect for me. This machine took any variables associated with the machine itself away, so now I have upped my game with a high-end scale, a distribution tool, and so forth to get my other variables more consistent.

Hi AMM, Thanks for the comment!

Hi T, It's very nice! Marc

Hi HSR, Thank you for the comment! Cheers, Marc

GS Jester Office lever is one of the best bang for the buck machines. If in for the long game a plumbed machine is a wonderful machine. And ps. We helped design it. Not as refined as Profitec/ECM machines but very capable! Marc

Matt A hi, thanks for the suggestion. I need to do better and not take those newer to the game for granted. Do check out the playlist on our channel. A couple that are specifically designed for newbies - especially the quick tips! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage You are doing a great job, that's why I subscribed. These were just some basic questions that anyone that's been working with these machines and other types of coffee drinks already know. All I've ever had was just a straight Americana coffee, so I don't know anything else. I just want to make sure when I get my Academia that I have all the right glasses and such to start really diving into it. Also, for 2019 will Gaggia be releasing new versions of their line? Are there new machines in 2019 that would compete with the Academia? I won't be ready to buy one of these machines for a few months yet, so I'm trying to make the most informed decision.

Hi Matt, I do not anticipate new Gaggia machines in the Accademia class. Currently, there is the Babila which is very similar to the Accademia - maybe a more contemporary design of the front panel: www.wholelattelove.com/gaggia-babila-one-touch-coffee-and-espresso-machine Marc

Dostlar's C I have the Pro 600 since 2 Months now and its pretty quiet. It is not as quiet as a linea mini but at a resonable level.

Hi AB, Thanks for the questions. We set vibration pump machines OPV to produce 10 bar on a machine pressure gauge with a backflush (blind) basket in the PF. That gets you max 9 bar at the group. Rotary pumps with higher flow rates (11g/s vs. 8g/s on vib) are set to 9 bar on the machine gauge which gets you 9 at the group. Pro 600 panels... We only have black but they can be switched out by end user. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi A, Unfortunately I don't have one to review :(

Hi venwin25, You are welcome! Thanks for the question. It's about 15 minutes for the machine to fully heat up. That's been my experience and Profitec's recommendation. A little faster than some other DB machines as the steam boiler is smaller at 1L. For comparison the steam boiler on the Pro 700 is 2L. Marc

Hi Andreas, Thanks for the questions and your kind comments! Flow control is available on all Profitec machines with E61 group. If you really want to bump up the steam power the 600 or 700 is the way to go. The 500, 600 and 700 are all PID brew temp controlled a drantaic improvement in brew temp accuracy over the Appartamento. The Pro 600 and Pro 700 feature best in class steaming power capable of running at near 2 bar of pressure in the service boiler. The 500 does fine but as a heat exchange boiler machine increasing the boiler temp for higher steam power results in higher brew temps and it maxes out at about 1.4 bar. Beyond plumbability, the key differences between the 600 and 700 are the rotary pump in the 700 vs. vibration pump in the 600 and larger boilers in the 700. Rotary pumps have a higher potential flow rate of about 11g/s. Vibration pump machines run at about 8g/s. In my experience higher flow rates are beneficial when using darker roasted beans or beans beyond peak freshness. The rotary pump is quieter. Both machines can make drinks rapidly back to back but if you anticipate steaming larger amounts of milk the 700 has more reserve. I hope that helps in your decision. Marc

Hi James, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Maximum draw of the machine is 1400 watts which equals ~11.5amps. The machine is setup so heating elements will not operate simultaneously. 15A circuit should be sufficient but 20A is recommended. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc - I question your reply - firstly the label behind the drip tray says 2400w. Secondly, if only one element operates at any given time, it would not be possible to pull a shot and steam at the same time! Can you please clarify?

Hi DD, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Pro 600 and of course your patronage! So this video is an older one - since being made Profitec changed the steam tip. Marc

Hi James, Thanks for the question. Have to be honest I have not tested rapid fire back to back shots on the Pro 600 but in theory IMO it will be fine. Brew boiler is 25oz and you'll be taking about 3-4oz out for a double shot. It has a 1000 watt element. Between that and the mass of boiler plus group one would expect relatively quick rebound. Marc

Hi Levi, Love the name. My first grandson is named Levi! Really not much difference at all in stability. Only using about 3oz/90ml of water out of the heat exchange section of the Pro 500. The brewing system has a large thermal mass between exiting the boiler and the moving thru the E61 group. Not enough time for temp to drop enough in the boiler from steaming to affect brew temp. I think it would be very difficult to detect any difference in the shot.Marc

Hi Dostlar's, Thanks for the question. Sorry it is not. :( Marc

Hi JJP, Thanks for the kind comment and question! For best results with the Pro 600 I recommend an espresso focused grinder with flat burrs at least 50mm in size. The Eureka Mignon Specialita is a good choice with 55mm burrs, 2 timed presets or manual grinding in a compact package. A step up are the Ceado E5Pro or E6P. Both use larger 64mm burrs and featured mostly machined components while some Mignon components are forged. The E5Pro is manual with no timed presets. The E6P has 2 timed presets plus manual grinding. Hope that helps! Marc Eureka Mignon Specilita has tons of color options: www.wholelattelove.com/search?q=specialita Ceado E5Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5-pro-espresso-grinder Ceado E6P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2

Hi Charles, Sounds like the machine needs to go through filling the boiler startup routine. Here's the procedure from page 23 of the manual: 5.1 Fill Mode On the PID-display will be signed “Fill”. This is for filling the coffee boiler. To fill the coffee boiler, position the brew lever upwards for at least 30 seconds at a time. The coffee boiler and the steam / hotwater boiler are now filled. The sign “Fill” must be expire after filling 30 seconds. If there is still a pump noise, the filling of the steam/ hot water boiler is still being completed. 1. If the pump stops and the PID display turns off while the boilers are filled, you have to refill fresh water in the water tank. 2. If there is enough water in the water tank again, the pump starts to operate again. 3. As soon as both boilers are filled with water, the pump will become quiet. Both boilers are now being heated in succession whereby the coffee boiler has priority. 4. The PID display will show the current temperatures of both boilers alternately (see chapter 3.3). 5. The machine is ready for coffee preparation as soon as the PID display indicates the pre-set nominal temperature of 93°C (199,4 °F factory setting). The machine is ready for steam/ hot water dispension as soon as the PID display indicates the pre-set nominal temperature of 129°C (264,2 °F factory setting) or the boiler pressure gauge indicates a value of about 1.5 bars. 6. Manual boiler venting is not necessary because the PRO 600 contains a professional anti-vacuum valve, which automatically vents the boiler during the heat-up phase. 7. The machine is now ready for use If needed here's a link to the PDF of the complete Pro 600 machine manual: wiki.wholelattelove.com/images/3/3b/Profitec_Pro_600_User_Manual.pdf Hope that helps! Should you need further assistance contact our tech support here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc

Hi Christopher, Thanks for the questions. Both machines have "sprung" valves. There was a recent upgrade to the 700 valves so down to about a quarter turn from off to full open. Valves on 600 are under one full turn from off to full open. I'd say between 1/2 and 3/4. With higher pressure setting you will get more steam with same valve opening but more pressure does not change the amount of turn required to go from closed to open. Hope that helps! Marc

Whole Latte Love Thanks Mark. Appreciate the clarity!

Hi NM, No flow control is manual. Marc

Hi r, Thanks for the question. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Pro 500 and 600 including current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk5MzY1MDIzNSwxNTQ2MDQxMDk4Mjk5 While the 500 has a larger boiler it runs at a lower pressure than the 600 which features best in class steaming power running at ~2 bar max compared to the 500 with ~1.4 bar max. Recovery after steaming milk for a cappuccino is fast on both machines - they'd be back up to full steam pressure well before you'd be finished pouring milk for the cappuccino, grinding/tamping/loading for the next shot and refilling your milk pitcher. Understand neither machine is intended for commercial use. If steaming large amounts of milk rapidly back to back for extended periods you may eventually see a small drop in pressure but not something I've tested as it's not an intended use. Marc

Hi WK, Thanks for the question. As the Pro 500 is PID temp controlled it does not need a cooling flush as you would in non-PID HX machines. What the 600 gets you is even greater brew temp stability with a dedicated boiler. Also has more steam power than the 500 as it runs at about 2bar of pressure inn the steam boiler. Marc

Hi Arvid, Thanks for the question. Don't forget in a DB machine like the 600 each boiler has its own heating element. The Pro 500 has a single element. The 600 can run at higher steam pressure in it's service boiler - up to ~2 bar. Also, changing the pressure/temperature of the service boiler has no impact on brew temps. On the 500 if you adjust the PID for a lower brew temp you also decrease pressure/temp in the main steam producing section of the boiler. Marc

Hi Marc, Current Pro 600 machines do come with 2 hole steam tip. Back when this video was made they came with a 4 hole tip. Marc

Hi VV, Thanks for the question. A lot of variables involved in power consumption. If not using the steam boiler I would turn it off - will save power! Marc

Hi KQ, Sorry for the delayed response! Bummer you don't want to plumb! Plumbing the Pro 700 or Synchronika gets you the line pressure pre-infusion which opens up the next level of brewing. Also can help make shots more consistent as pre-infusing can reduce channeling thru the puck. If you didn't already know the 700 and Synchronika have identical brewing systems. So no difference in potential shot quality. The 600's brewing system is nearly identical to the others with same boiler and hydraulics to the group. Big difference with 600 is vibration pump with a rotary pump in the others and no plumbability so no pre-infusion. All can do pre-wetting of the coffee when working of reservoir dropping an once or so of water on the puck from group and residual pressure in boiler. If not plumbing all are IMO capable of comparable shot quality. There are some opinions on rotary vs.vibe pump shots but it's incredibly subjective. Vibe pumps build up pressure slower. Rotary pumps may be a little more consistent with pressure. Changing grind and/or technique can cancel out any advantages of one over the other. At the end of the day I prefer rotary pump machines. They are robust and have a more pleasing sound than vibe pumps. Marc

Alexander Lee steam boiler is smaller, less detail in casework, 600 is not plumbable so no line pressure preinfusion , vibration pump instead of rotary. Marc

Hi JJ, Thanks for the question and please excuse my delayed response - I've been on vacation and offline for a week. Quickest way to support for your machine is a call to our tech support pros. Contact info here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Squeaking can happen but I would not say it's normal. It may be an indication of scaling or wear in the valve components but hard to say for sure. Regardless of cause it's highly unlikely your machine is unsafe! Here's a link to an expanded diagram of the Pro 600: wiki.wholelattelove.com/images/e/ed/PRO_600_Parts_Diagram.pdf Exploded view of valve is shown in drawing 6. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the reply Marc! I located your video on how to remove the handles from the steam valve. After doing so, I used a little food safe oil to lubricate the threading of the handles and that solved the issue. It looks like there was just too much friction on the threading. Back in business with no squeaking now!

Hi FV, Thanks for the kind words on the videos! Manufacturers generally advise against home users descaling dual boiler machines due to the risk of scale particles dislodging and plugging up other parts of the machine and because draining the boilers is more involved than on machines with HX or single boilers. Scale plugging during descaling generally happens only with neglected machines. Like a machine used in a hard water environment for a long period with no water treatment to reduce hardness and no regular descaling. At 20 degrees German your water is rather hard so you're doing the right thing using the BWT Bestsave pad filter. Be sure and replace the pad on schedule and that water in reservoir has enough residence time in reservoir before use. If using the pad filter properly you should have little to no scale forming. Stainless boilers can be descaled. After some use, you can get an idea on whether scale is occurring by removing the mushroom valve and inspecting for evidence of scale. I don't recommend home users descale dual boilers. That because I'll say go ahead and do it and somebody with a neglected machine will have problems brought on by descaling and blame me. With all that, If someone is 100% certain they don't have anything beyond very light scale - like next to none then descaling should not be a problem. In your shoes I'd talk to your retailer and get their recommended procedure for descaling the machine. There are many ways to do it, but if you run into trouble they might be somewhat accountable if you run into a problem and you followed their procedure. In our shop, boilers are generally removed for descaling but that's mostly for machines which have been neglected and show evidence of more aggressive scale deposits. Hope that helps. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage wow, that actually helps a lot! Thanks so much for your very detailed answer!!

Hi Mazen, Thank you for the comment. If you go to this page and scroll down to videos a bunch of videos on the Brewtus with comparisons to a variety of machines: www.wholelattelove.com/expobar-brewtus-iv-r-with-rotary-pump Marc

Hi KM, No you do not need to do a cooling flush on this dual boiler machine.

Hi 3, Yes they can be replaced and it's fairly easy to do! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the quick answer. Do you have custom parts in your shop?

Hi B, Thanks for the request. Many Scace tests off camera with same result. Brew temp is solid. I have not removed the connection to group to look for a restrictor. I'll check with out service techs. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks marc, when you say brew temp is solid, what are the numbers and if there are any peaks? e.g if you were pulling a 1:2 shot or 1:1.5 shot whats the starting temp and if it peaks whats that temp and finally the ending temp. Trying to decide if the HX hump is diminished with this kit or not! cheers.

Hi M, Sorry for delayed response - a little sick the last couple of days. Anyway, here's a link to video of the 600 and 700 side by side: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mKhgmMphza2aY2w.html The 600 has sprung valves like the 700. Seven years is a good run for a Breville DB. It's a fine product but more appliance than machine. You'll find the 600 and 700 are very user serviceable. The Bezzera is a little more complex. Marc

Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the questions! The current Pro 600 does have the same best in class steaming power at about 2 bar in the service boiler. I believe the current 600 has a 2 hole steam tip - unfortunately I cannot quickly confirm that is the case. If you want the 4 hole and it comes with the 2 you would have to purchase the 4 hole but it's not required. The only difference with flow control 600 is the mushroom valve and the E61 mounted pressure gauge. Sales on these models are incredibly rare. We do offer "Latte Rewards" which I think on the 600 gets you $50 towards a future purchase, free shipping and 3 year warranty. I don't get involved in the sales aspect of these machines. But, you can def call our coffee experts 585-924-7170 for details. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your reply. I ended up calling and talking with one of the sales reps who put together a really great package deal for me to get everything I wanted plus a nice discount. Looking forward to receiving my machine in the next week or so.

Hi Cord, Thanks for the question. We do not have a custom setting for the brew boiler offset. We leave as set by Profitec. In my experience there is little reason to change unless your machine is operating outside of typical room temperatures. Ambient temps can have an affect as the E61 acts as a heat sink. Not too long ago I did a test where I held a wet rag on an E61 group for about 10 seconds then quickly did a Scace brew temp test. That 10 seconds of wet rag on the group dropped the Scace temps by ~10F. Now a wet rag pulls out a lot more heat than air but operating a machine in a 60F room vs an 85F room is sure to make a difference in actual temps in the group. On a side note be very careful going into those technical PID settings. Not a big deal to change the brew boiler offset if you know what you're doing but things can get weird if you change the P, I or D settings. Marc

@whole latte love: an answer here would be greatly appreciated. Also... a comparison of the temperature stability of the brew group would be also amazing! Cheers :)

Hi naomi, Thanks for the question. Since this video was made in January Profitec changed to shipping the Pro 600 with a 2 hole tip as described in the specifications of this page: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-600-dual-boiler-espresso-machine You can inquire about availability of a 4 hole accessory tip with our customer support dept. at 585-924-7170

Hi 34, It's blue. Marc

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Hi GO! The Pro 500 is one of my favorite HX boiler PID machines. The Pro 600 takes you to dual boilers and best in class steaming power with up to ~2 bar. With individual boilers you can adjust steam boiler temp/pressure without changing the brew temp as you would on the 500. If that's important to you then answer is yes. Marc

Hi Michael, The larger steam boiler boiler gives you more steaming capacity and faster recovery to full boiler temp after steaming. Honestly though if doing 2 cappuccino a day the 1 liter boiler in the 600 will not hold you back in any way. The brew boiler in the 600, 700 and Synchronika is the same. Only difference is the pump. 600 is vibration (like the Silvia) other are rotary. 600 is reservoir fed only while the others can be plumbed or reservoir fed. Unless you want to plumb your machine or want the smooth sound of rotary pump the 600 will serve your needs IMO. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions and I'd be happy to answer. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the response. It makes perfect sense. A few other questions: I am looking for something that will be durable and not require any maintenance outside the home, unless it literally breaks. I know that is difficult, and outside maintenance is always a possibility, but I want to mitigate that risk as much as I can. Would something like the Pro 700 or Synchronika be more durable, or less durable, or the same as the Pro 600? Things like the pump type maybe? I have also considered the Linea Mini (much more expensive I know) due to it's simpler design and commercial parts but I am not sure if the extra cost is justified for someone like me. Also, you talk about line infusion on the Synchronika and I like that idea. I just don't know if I need it. In general I don't really care about plumbing in but would be willing if it resulted in better coffee. In general I like the idea of pre-infusion. The Lelit Bianca looks nice but it isn't widely available and that concerns me. Anyway, I really am asking if the Pro 600 has the same characteristics as the 700 and Synchronika in terms of durability and maintenance. Thanks again for the response and for your great reviews. It is much appreciated.

The Pro 600 does have the same durability as the 700. As to maintenance, if you want trouble free operation the single most important thing is feeding a machine good water that will not cause scale. Scale is the number one problem for any machine. The guys who design Profitec machines come from a service background so simple, reliable and easy to service is important to them. It's an attribute which has propelled their machines to some of the most highly regarded in the field. LM machines are well regarded but when they need service it can be tough and they are not as user serviceable as Profitec/ECM machines. Not everyone needs line pressure pre-infusion. But if your coffee journey takes you places like high-end single origin coffees you may find yourself wanting it. Plumbing a machine makes it very easy to provide excellent no-scale water quality with an in-line filter system like this: www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package No scale and pressure control. If you go with a reservoir machine like the 600 do treat your water with an in tank pad filter or ion-exchange pitcher. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks again for your response. Since I roast my own coffee and only drink Organic coffee, my choices for beans are limited. So, the world of Single Origin Coffees, which if I understand it correctly means the beans come from the same farm, and often the same tree, is probably out of reach for me. If I understand you then the pre-infusion would be less valuable in terms of its impact on taste. So, my real choice is between a machine like the LMLM, which LM says is serviceable exclusively in my home, or something like the Pro 600 which if it really broke might have to be shipped to you for servicing. I don't really care about plumbing in, unless it would have a dramatic effect on the taste. And, where I live the water is soft and we have never had scale issues. I confirmed this with my Town water people. But, we still take precautions like using Brita pitchers for now, and maybe someday in the future getting a below the sink filter system to get the Brita pitchers off of the counter. Thanks again for the help. Michael

Hi Aurelio, Thanks for the comment. Both are fine machines. Size is nearly identical as the Pro 600 is built on the same chassis as the 500. If doing more milk drinks I recommend the 600 for the extra bump in steaming power. Let me know if you have any more questions. Or, you can speak directly with our coffee/espresso experts by phone/chat/email: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us Marc

Thanks for the insights Marc!!! Waiting for the 2019 best espresso machines video!

@@aureliocastro6478 You are welcome! Any particular category of machine for inclusion in Best of '19?

Hmm I would like to see HX and DB, also it would be cool to have another for accessories 👌

Aurelio Castro will def include HX and DB. So far accessory of the year is Leveler specifically The Jack by Asso Coffee. But the year is young! Marc

Hi JK, Love the Oh hi Marc! My kids say that all the time :) Contact us here: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us And I'm sure a package can be worked out. The Profitec Pro T64 grinder in the video is perfect with this machine. As far as too complicated... What a dual boiler machine gets you is far less complication than a single boiler machine. Brew temps are always accurate and there's no screwing around with surfing temps like you'd have on a single boiler. Plus steam is always available and gosh darn powerful on this one. If you have not done manual steaming before there is a learning curve to that but it's far, far better than what you'll get on cheap entry level appliances. If you want to go nicer the best options are the Pro 700 or next level finishing of the ECM Synchronika. Marc

Hi 84cord, Thanks for the comment and question. An hour for full heating to stable seems very long! While HX machines might heat a bit faster due to the higher temps in boiler. It should not take an hour on a Pro 600 if everything is operating properly. I think it's unlikely there are left over particles from production but it's not out of the question. I've been to Profitec's production facility in Italy and every machine is tested after building. If you purchased the machine from us it was prepped again with full test of temp/flow prior to shipping. You could check flow rate from the group to verify. With no PF in place and machine warmed up measure how much water you get in milliliters from the group in 20 seconds. Divide volume by 20 to get grams per second. It should be in a range of ~8-12g/s. If below 8g/s there may be an obstruction. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hey Marc, thanks for your fast reply. I measured exact 7,4g/s for several times. Do you think this is still acceptable or should I contact Profitec? Best regards Cord

84cord let me check flow rate on a pro 600 here. I may have made a slight error and given you flow rate reference more typical for a rotary pump machine and not vibration pump like 600

Hi 84cord, Just ran 3 flow tests. Ran pump for 20 seconds and weighed water output. Results were 163g, 164g and 160g for flow rates of 8.2g/s, 8.2g/s and 8g/s. While your rate is .6g/s slower I doubt that is enough to indicate any restriction in the thermosiphon. Your rate difference from mine could be measuring error. I doubt it has anything to do with a longer heat up time. Are you 100% certain your machine is taking 60 minutes to reach stable temp? For faster heatup of the brew boiler you could turn off the steam boiler as described on page 25 of the Pro 600 manual: wiki.wholelattelove.com/images/3/3b/Profitec_Pro_600_User_Manual.pdf Another tactic for faster heatup is running blank shots thru the brew circuit Marc

Hi Leonida, If serious about espresso they are worth it. These machines are beautiful and built to run for decades. Making exceptional espresso is all about controlling variables like brew temp, pressure, coffee dose and grind. That's what machines at this level can do. There are espresso appliances which cost far less. Many use undersized pressurized filter basket brewing systems which are incapable of the same quality. They have poor control of brew temp and pressure, cannot brew and froth milk at the same time and have a build quality that'll put them in the garbage within a few years. Marc

So you are saying that, if I'd buy Breville Barista Express, even if I don't care of brewing and frothing milk at the same time, even if with Barista u can have control of pressure, grind size and timing, this machine ( a part from how amazing it looks ) it's still worth it despite the difference in price, for the consistency it offers and the years of work it can sustain. Am I right?@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the time u spend in replying

That's what I'm saying.

Thank u Mark. Have a good evening. From Milan. @@Wholelattelovepage

Actually, it seems like the Lelit Bianca is at about the same price and is also a dual-boiler, E61 machine.

Hey Mike, thanks for the question. The Pro 600 is an excellent value in dual boiler machines. If you compare the 600 to the Bianca up close the 600 has a higher build quality.

Hi Timothy, Thanks for the question. The 600 has larger boilers (same brew boiler used in the Pro 700), E61 brew group and much higher working steam pressure. The brew boiler in the 300 is low volume and mounted over the group. On the 600 brewing is controled via the lever of the E61 group. On the 300 it's a switch to start/stop brewing. More specs and videos about the 300 available here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/all/products/profitec-pro-300-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Samefor the 600 is located here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-600-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks a lot, you guys are awesome!

I have the same dilemma. I am sold on the build quality of Profitec, just not sure if the 600 is worth the upgrade. I think the 600 gives me (1) a nicer looking machine; (2) sprung valves; and (3) greater steam capability. I never was too clear on how the different brew groups might affect shot quality. Am I missing anything else? Thanks!!

Hi M, Yes it is. Marc

Hi Anel, Thanks for the question. Rocket Espresso makes decent machines. Prices vary in markets around the world but in general for similar feature set Profitec machines are lower in price than comparable Rocket's. Regardless of machine, I give Profitec a slight edge in overall quality while Rocket is heavier on the branding of their machines. Good example is comparing the Profitec Pro 400 to the Rocket Appartamento. In US market the Pro 400 runs ~$250 less than the Appartamento. The Pro 400 has 3 level temperature control while the Rocket is single temp controlled by pressure stat with larger temperature fluctuations. Check them out here: Profitec Pro 400: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-400-espresso-machine Rocket Appartamento: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rocket-espresso-appartamento-with-black-panels Hope that helps! Marc

Hi AN, Yes it is possible. Then there are machines like this which have that feature out of the box: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-matrix-de-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Even has adjustable color highlighting of clear panels on sides of machine. Marc

Gayle Rose Thanks for the ?.Can you clarify which machines? Marc

Hi TC, I feel for you as I live your situation! Happy wife = happy life. Maybe mention you get to choose the next one? At some point the Breville appliance will fail and a repair will not be worth the cost. The Pro 600 is a machine built to a much higher standard. Very easy DIY repairs - it's reasonable to expect decades of service from machine grade products. The Breville will have been in the dump for a long time by then! Marc

Bryan Jensen get a plumbed machine like the Pro 700 or Synchronica and never fill a reservoir! Also - line pressure pre-infusion with those. Marc

Gustavo Sanchez the QM67 build quality does not look like the Profitec. Look for under the hood picture of both and compare how component are laid out and assembled, that speak for itself... Also QM67 use cooper boiler vs stainless on profitec. My personal taste goes to quality vs just the lowest price.

Hi Y, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Hi Aj, The video includes test results like time to steam to temp and boiler recovery after steaming. I'm fairly certain no other video on this machine goes into details like the stainless mushroom valve (by the way far better than chromed valves in some competing machines). The video covers specs and features like extra functions available via the PID controller and how to use them. I mention the casework is nice but you can have better in the Pro 700 or Synchronika if that's important to you. I mention the machine is not plumbable. Do you want me to say that's a fault? For some it could be. For others it's not. I mention the machine has no internal venting of moisture with the steam boiler vacuum relief valve vented to the drip tray. Many competing machines leave this open and vent moisture internally every time the machine warms up. I show you the machine and you can make up your own mind. I stand behind everything I say. I could have gone further and told you how Profitec goes into extra details in finishing the machine. Like the internal welded seams of the drip tray which are polished. Many competing machines simply spot weld these parts and leave the welds bare. Or talk about the chassis design which has a continuous solid rail front to back. Many competing machines weld on the drip tray support which leave them susceptible to damage in shipping. If I sound like I'm a fan of this machine it's because I am. I've worked with and been under the hood of most every prosumer level domestic machine currently available in the US market. IMO this machine and others by Profitec stand out with reliable K.I.S.S. design, innovations like the stainless mushroom and best in class steam power. It's up to you if you want to see it as a sales pitch. If there's something else you'd like to know about the Pro 600 please ask here and it would be my pleasure to provide you with a detailed answer. Marc

Hi V, this screen type is very common on espresso machines and used by many manufacturers. It's lower cost, durable and gets the job done - a K.I.S.S. part. There are some machines out there using more advanced touchscreens like the Bezzera Matrix: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-matrix-de-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Marc

Hi Bill, Correct. This video was made prior to flow control being available for E61 machines. Marc