303 british vs 7.62x54r vs BODY ARMOR

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303 british vs 7.62x54r vs BODY ARMOR

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@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

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@francisdoran8992 3 жыл бұрын

Knowledge is power my friend.

@Galona223 3 жыл бұрын

Max Arms has some 303 British FMJ surplus and 762X51.

@sinformant 3 жыл бұрын

I can send you some steel core 7.62x54r if you're interested

@Minuteman4Jesus 3 жыл бұрын

WTW that was a great video! Have you done 6.5CM vs armor yet??

@Crackyonoggin 3 жыл бұрын

When u hit it with. The bullets did it spall ??

@timothyallbee1176 3 жыл бұрын

We learned that multiple rounds in the same spot in body armor plates will go through

@tamlandipper29 2 жыл бұрын

I feel bad for KZfaqrs doing this sort of thing. Having multiple plates is expensive. Personally I'd rather they look at mild steel of a greater thickness. Not the same, but for most entertainment purposes pretty good.

@VBCJesusSaves 2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Not exactly a scientific approach to the test. Shoot a new plate with .303 or 7.62x54 three times near the same spot and the 3rd shot would probably do the same.

@zragevii4705 2 жыл бұрын

This is the entire premise of the am-180 sub machine gun

@pcka12 Жыл бұрын

You out to find the boat tail spitzer 303 load in order to appreciate its full qualities!

@tedrenard472 3 жыл бұрын

What we actually learned is that if you soften up your body armour with a 303 British and a 7.62 Mosin first, the 338 Lapua is definitely in with a chance.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

😆😆😆

@Chenildu49e 11 ай бұрын

True!

@freddysquirenaranjo4859 7 ай бұрын

Very good! Very True! lol 😂 😂

@mizzoupatriot8814 3 жыл бұрын

That 7.62x54r soft point wasn't made for hard targets. I'd like to see the same test with a surplus Russian military steel core 7.62x54r.

@beatrixroberts9452 9 ай бұрын

I was gonna suggest this as well; all of the surplus fmj Mosin rounds I own have a steel core with a lead boattail follower inside the jacket.

@markchapman2585 6 ай бұрын

No soft points made for anything hard. Not just dopey 54R rounds.

@rottenrobbie66 2 ай бұрын

The steel core 54 r I have shot goes through steel like a drill bit. I suspect the body armor won’t stop it.

@kruler-westoz-nauman3638 3 жыл бұрын

303 ball surplus is readily found in Canada , Australia, UK and India, in fact it is still manufactured in India up till quite recently if not still actually being made, those soft points are the sporting hunting round version and being used against military body armor is pointless for I would think would be obvious reasons.

@horridlm 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing out this is a bullshit video

@sid__vicious 2 жыл бұрын

In india its a prohibited bore,and its means civillians cant use it,only police.civillians are allowed to have modified version of 8mm mannlicher into shorter version and called 315

@jace2wheel762 2 жыл бұрын

Herters(basically budget brand Winchester) makes .303 brand new as well and its cheap in Canada. Seen it for less than 20 bucks a box. And FMJ steel case Barnal 7.62x54r will mess up AR 500 steel with less than 20 rounds. Been my first hand experience

@andrewthomson Жыл бұрын

@@Psynova same, ive never seen 303 below $2/rd

@chadbrattain7185 6 ай бұрын

@@andrewthomsonyou can get 303 British ammo for around $1-$1.50 per round if you buy it in bulk surplus spam cans but most of them are older than 40years old and you have to be careful and make sure they have been stored in a dry climate and everything and you can possibly get some dud ammo from the spam cans so you are rolling the dice when getting it.

@rodgeranderson4922 3 жыл бұрын

The 303 round looked very odd, looked like a hand load with the projectile not fully seated.

@joelmcmahan7386 3 жыл бұрын

The more a man knows, the safer he is. Thanks for sharing your videos with us all Who Tee Who. 👍🇺🇸

@tamlandipper29 2 жыл бұрын

Unless you know more about THE SECRETS MAN SHOULD NOT KNOW. Then you go crazy and eat your own face.

@TommyboyGTP 3 жыл бұрын

338 hit in a spot from the two previous rounds... hit it up higher in an area that wasn't compromised and see if it still goes through.

@fillg 3 жыл бұрын

You need some of the steel core ammo for that Mosin. It goes through stuff a whole lot better

@henrikchristensen6314 3 жыл бұрын

High velocity, soft point, close range gives expansion before penetration. Unless of cause you use a .338lp. It looked like you hit the dirt with the .303

@mizzoupatriot8814 3 жыл бұрын

I have some of those Brown Bear 7.62x54r, 203 grain soft points for my Chicom type 53 carbine. They hit hard and the expansion is wicked. My 53 is currently loaded with them.

@eac1235 3 жыл бұрын

@@mizzoupatriot8814 I have the same ammo! I'm conserving it for the duration!

@jameswilliams3959 3 жыл бұрын

After first hit, Armor was compromised, 338 hit was after comp.2 times!

@andrewlaw 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, looks like the 338 hit the same spot the Mosin or 303 had previously.

@mrhamburger6936 3 жыл бұрын

Back in the early to mid1960s that's all you could get for a British 303 was metal jacket bullets surplus

@petertarasenko2504 Жыл бұрын

Yes I had several mk 111s in early sixties and the surplus ammo was mostly ww1 vintage with cordite strands for propellant and had many duds, the later mk 7 round with ball powder powder was better. This is in Australia, the rounds of mk7 was 10 cents a round up to the 80,s.

@ahalfsesameseedbun7472 3 жыл бұрын

Theres a ton of fmj 303 to be found on Ammo seek, I have trouble finding round nose. Also I'm always surprised at hot good the mk 3 looks when sporterized, though I prefer the original look.

@davidfreese7681 3 жыл бұрын

Here in Australia the ol .303 ww2 ball ammo used ta be cheap like the budgie but now worth a fortune. In fact, any .303 ammo even the factory made stuff is pretty dear. I got a savage no.4 .303 and an old 1917 mosin, hex receiver made by Remington believe it or not. Love em both. Great vid mate. Keep doing em.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Yup very expensive here

@turbosnake8038 3 жыл бұрын

That gifted round looked a lot like a 7.92x57mm / 8mm Mauser round

@marcusrauch4223 Ай бұрын

well, the yugoslavs chambered their Mosin's in 8mm Mauser.

@floridafishingandfitness5735 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always. Fun to see the old military rifles in action!

@islayporkers3529 3 жыл бұрын

That 338 just waltzed on through that measly level 3. I would love to see some lever rifle vids man!!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

💪💪

@ewhip2894 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video interesting to see what the old tried and true Calibers do to modern armor!!!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta love em

@shanebroomhall 3 жыл бұрын

The year of manufacture of SMLE is under the bolt for most..

@davidbarbour9929 3 жыл бұрын

I bought an old Enfield 303 years ago that looked like death would help it, turned out to be one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned. So much so that I refinished and sporterized the stock. It was a deer slayer.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

🦌🦌🦌

@mickeymantle46 3 жыл бұрын

WTW IN THE HOUSE !!! YOU ALL WTW FELLOW FOLLOWERS HAVE A GREAT WEEK !!! GOD YOU ALL !!

@anthonysmith3132 3 жыл бұрын

He is the man!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mickey!

@dcloukey 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome man Thanks

@lauriewatkins8522 3 жыл бұрын

get some 180gr .303 soft points and drill in to the centre of the lead down about one inch and place a hardened concrete nail in it make sure it is centred then fire it at your armour, you will be surprised

@off6848 8 күн бұрын

What about backwards bullets like they did in ww2 for shooting tanks

@stephenszabo2361 3 жыл бұрын

My father had a 303 British...he told me a story of the bolts would somtime come back and hit the guy in the eye...calling them one eyed British...lol

@cheryltysver6132 3 жыл бұрын

You may have hit the plate in an area already weakened by the previous 2 rounds... but the Lapua round was a good idea! Also, you were on the money about the energy transfer to target plate!

@DB-rg2dk 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome seeing the savage 338 brought out, I’ve only put 14 rounds thru mine so far due to ammogeddin

@spikegriffin5525 3 жыл бұрын

Loved the video man

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Spike!

@spikegriffin5525 3 жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO your welcome man

@thescottishhammer7570 3 жыл бұрын

Shot my first whitetail back in 1990 with my .303 Enfield. Been a fan of the .303 ever since.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@Cutter-jx3xj 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I love the old guns, some just stand the test of time

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Mr Chipps

@andyprairiedog4829 3 жыл бұрын

The old rifles from past wars are interesting. Thank you for bringing them out and shooting them for us.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Andy!

@seankientz4929 3 жыл бұрын

You never disappoint thanks WTW

@lib556 3 жыл бұрын

Several years ago, I shared a 1,000 rd purchase of FMJ .303. It was made in Belgium in the 1980s. I also bought a few cloth bandoliers of clipped FMJ milsurp .303. I still have some of both. I'd be happy to send you some for your experiments but I'm not sure about mailing ammo cross the border (I'm in Canada) with all the insanity of our two lefty governments. There's a famous mil story that states that the Brit/Commonwealth armies in WW1 loaded some rds backwards to defeat German counter-sniper armor plates. I've seen articles about this and I believe there is a vid on YT somewhere that tests the theory. Seems to work.

@HowdyPtnr 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid man!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching David!

@HowdyPtnr 3 жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO no problem! I lobe your content

@nicktant1756 3 жыл бұрын

.303 British is a terrific deer cartridge.

@shaneiveson517 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video

@anthonypetracca1502 2 жыл бұрын

"that trigger is heavy as bananas" is my new favorite catch phrase

@Raptor-gd6sk 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see the 338 Lapua out!!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Raptor. Another 338lm video coming this week

@philmills2970 Жыл бұрын

Always happy to see your clips on the memorable old 303, my dear old dad always ask if you have done any new posts with the smle. Once we watch a new one we spend quite some time reminiscing about days gone by and seam to do a lot of laughing. Thanks once again your post really cheer my old dad up, good on you m8 ask we say in nz.

@551taylor 3 жыл бұрын

The wartime .303 round was a boat-tailed, spire point fmj round that had a wood or compressed card tip backed by lead. The idea was that the round would hit a target, bend like a banana and tumble through the wound to cause maximum injury. The soft tip was also a money saving thing during austerity, and got around the dum-dum prohibitions. Your test rounds probably use nitro-cellulose smokeless powder instead of Cordite stick propellants. The original .303 had an accurate range of 1000 yards, but could fly in excess of 1.5 miles. When trialled in the new .303 BREN machine gun, a mag of 30 rounds cut down a tree, so the barrel was de-accuratised to spread the coverage. Your .303 was the SMLE carbine version as opposed to the rifle, which had furniture to the full length of the barrel and weighed 8.5 lbs fully loaded. The later SMLE Mk IV and Mk IV* had folding sights and a longer barrel extension.

@severorodriguez6495 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Will do a video on the 338 win mag vs paper plates or anything else. Thanks again for your videos

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

More 338wm soon

@jamiesmith5394 3 жыл бұрын

that 303 have a lockout magazine lockout single shot

@TacticalAssassinator 3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't even look like the .303 Brit even hit the armor, just the dirt in front of it...

@jeffm862 3 жыл бұрын

Good one Bud, hey the first two were lead was the 338 an FMJ could be the dif.

@DarthFiraxan 3 жыл бұрын

Remington used to make .303 British FMJ cartridges in addition to the soft points. Not sure if the new owners of Remington will continue making them, hopefully they do.

@mechghost5742 3 жыл бұрын

I used to use .303 nylon tips for hunting (forget the make) so there are a few different rounds floating around.

@kevanhubbard9673 3 жыл бұрын

That .303 with the round top looks like a .30 30.I've only ever seen the FMJ ones.

@montanamountainmen6104 3 жыл бұрын

What some don't understand is " Body Armor" can stop a bullet. But, yes the energy transfer to the body from the bullet can cause Hemorrhage, broken bones, and be very painful causing severe pain or even loss of feeling.

@mizzoupatriot8814 3 жыл бұрын

You must be talking about soft armor. Hard plates absorb the energy and spread it out over the entire steel plate. It's not going to feel good but it's generally not going to do all the damage as you described.

@crusiethmaximuss 3 жыл бұрын

Man, that .338 Lapua is insane!!!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Has some boogie

@crusiethmaximuss 3 жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO It's a spicy round!!!

@dougn4942 3 жыл бұрын

@@crusiethmaximuss that is a spicy beat a ball 😂🤯👊😎

@coleponton8011 3 жыл бұрын

Keep the 303 vids up man .there good

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Cole

@mrhamburger6936 Жыл бұрын

Back in the early sixties the British 303 that's all you get was steel jacketed you couldn't get the soft tip

@littlebear1520 3 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of the full metal jacket 303 British out there usually they sell them in surplus type situations

@nathanielleonard8003 3 жыл бұрын

Love the safety glasses I have the same pair lol

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

😆😆😆

@tombstonefpv9053 3 жыл бұрын

Great video man. I sure wish I would have picked up a Mosin when they were cheap and the ammo was cheap. I looked the other day to possibly order some ammo for my 8x56R Styer, too expensive.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Wish I had too

@lou8809 Жыл бұрын

The two forward tabs on the top front of your 303 mag often causes feed issues when push the bolt forward to load. Tabs need to be bent out the at a bit

@strizzy239 3 жыл бұрын

Wolf makes some copper coated steel cased fmj .303 and got Remington lead tipped that looks similiar to the 7.62 round you got there. I actually haven’t found the .303 rounds you have!! 😆 the wolf performs pretty well and was much cheaper than the Remington which was hunting ammo at $34-39 a box of 20 vs the wolf which was 20 for $20. It seemed to be a littler more difficult to eject the rounds with the steel case but not much of an issue for being half the price!! Was pretty much a non issue just not as smooth as the brass

@damianmoskos2299 3 жыл бұрын

Really admire how u strive to have a rifle in every calibre

@ronclapper2459 2 жыл бұрын

glad i seen that

@namelessking3372 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man, did you ever figure out what that FMJ bullet was, because it looks like steel case 3006! Can’t wait for the next one WTW!

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure what it was

@FingerAngle Жыл бұрын

Nice Mosin. Mine is from the same plant, but 1 year earlier. Same gun.

@jasonlockwood5201 3 жыл бұрын

Some of the phrases you use 🤣🤣👍. Keep bangen bud.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Jason!

@rontate7719 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid,,

@byronspade1633 3 жыл бұрын

Man I'd love to find a 303 British. Nice heavy round. Awesome video brother

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Byron

@bluecollaramerican3884 3 жыл бұрын

That was a really fun video...👍😊👍

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Sean

@dragonrider385 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for the video.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching dragonrider

@frank6029 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos thanks for all the info I love my mosins they never fail Be Safe and God Bless 👍🎅

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate you watching Frank

@ethan5.56 3 жыл бұрын

They make all sorts of awesome 7.62x54R ammo. Armor piercing, armor piercing incendiary, and plenty of other goodies. I’d say it is more powerful than the .303 British. Great video as always

@ervpannell 3 жыл бұрын

I like your 338, i have a 6.5 creedmoor in the same rifle! And love it.

@TheMystikal82 3 жыл бұрын

That metal plate AR500 is called Hardox 500 here in Europe, I work with it all the time. I recommend you buy the whole metal sheet of the same thickness for testing, it will be much cheaper.

@tuckalicious1 3 жыл бұрын

I have been wanting to try the 46 grain hollow core mosin practice ammo. Supposed to be moving close to 4000 fps. Stuff is corrosive tho have been reluctant. Would love to see its affect on things even tho it will break apart

@eugenejensen576 3 жыл бұрын

I’m surprised they both stopped I knew that the 338 was going through it

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@boi8825 3 жыл бұрын

Smoothest mosin bolt I have ever seen

@davidfriesen9512 3 жыл бұрын

WTW next time you bring out the .338 lapua can you set the cartridge on the table next to the .303 to compare the size? You're hilarious and a blast. 👍💥😁

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Good idea

@daveforsythe9021 3 жыл бұрын

Just commenting. No disrespect meant Sir. I’m Canadian. The No. 1 Mk. 3 was my first rifle when I got my licence in 1978. I believe they approximate 7.62X51 level, while 7.62X54R are approximate 7.62X63. Some feeding issues may be caused by the rimmed cartridge. Also, trigger is pretty much “two stage”. There is a lot of take up until you reach the next resistance. Then , not so bad. Maybe designed to help prevent AD/ND from new recruits? Both great rifles for different reasons. Here in Canada, most hunters own at least one .303. We have used them for everything from ground hogs to moose. I assume bear as well. Thank you for what you do Sir. Much respect from Canada.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Dave

@francisdoran8992 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir every Canadian has a 303 , and iv taking moose and black bear with it great gun.

@gleamtarrest6310 Жыл бұрын

Love The ol Rifles... I have an old 8mm Mauser that has some nice patina on it , but the rifling is clean & sharp as ever!

@FFEMTB08 3 жыл бұрын

“I think a 338 LaPua will stop it.” April fools was a few weeks ago.

@twitchie989 3 жыл бұрын

These rifles are so cool my local gunsmith has both of these for sale and im gonna get one if both for sure..love the video awsome as always

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching j b

@clardy01 3 жыл бұрын

Checking in late! Bet this gonna be fun! 😁

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Heyo! Always appreciate you watching

@strizzy239 3 жыл бұрын

Year on that enfield should be on the metal strap going around the stock

@VTPSTTU 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really glad that the FMJ turned out not to be 7.62x54R. I was looking at both cartridges and thinking that I'd gone crazy because they didn't appear to be the same caliber. For your video purposes, the .303 British and Mosin rounds not going through the plate were bad. For anyone who owns RTS Tactical plate, their not going through the plate is great news. At 10 or 20 yards, I'm not sure that the plate stopping a .338 Lapua round is going to save the wearer. That much force hitting the chest would be brutal. Your friends at Bad Dobby's have some nice lizards, but I'm disappointed that they don't have any good snakes.

@OldManMontgomery 3 жыл бұрын

I looked (prompted by your comment) and sure enough, the third round at the beginning of the video didn't have a rim. The green sealant on the bullet puts me in mind of WW2 8x57mm ammo. But I'm not willing to commit myself under these circumstances.

@anthonyrauseo5913 2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@tankmeister8131 3 жыл бұрын

You might get some ball ammo in Canada, sure we have it here in Australia. Try it against the 8x57 mauser.

@HarryFlashmanVC 4 ай бұрын

I've never seen a lead tip .303 before, the ony ones Ive ever used were British issue military rounds from post 1960. Always jacketed.

@kparker4894 3 жыл бұрын

Nice. 338 went on through like that armour wasn't even there! Ouch!!!

@crb7799 Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about the power and accuracy of the .22 lr subsonic or the quiet rnds. Thanks. Great content

@patrickdean9797 3 жыл бұрын

we learned if you need armor it should be lvl5 or better i think plates made from 3/4 big dong steel might do it great video thanks

@aarongreenfield9038 3 жыл бұрын

Nice catch with the empty casing.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

I think I actually dropped it 😆

@aarongreenfield9038 3 жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO. Even if you did, It's still looked pretty cool.

@michaellane1661 3 жыл бұрын

That was an awesome video WTW! Well they all are, but this one hit the spot tonight! Thanks for sharing brother! Have a great week!🤘🏽🇺🇸👊🏽

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Michael!

@honestjohn1129 3 жыл бұрын

Close to where I live in Norfolk in the uk was an old ww2 training range - it was just off of a beach in some dunes & my dad would take us for walks there in the 80s & we have found live .303 & 9mm round & loads of shrapnel - I still go for walks there now with my kids loads of spent .303 shells & 9 mm shells & spent bullet heads. If we’re lucky we can find a few 45s but they are few & far between.

@RJM1011 3 жыл бұрын

Next video how many armor plates does it take to stop a .338 ??

@shanegibb997 3 жыл бұрын

Great video , would be great to see if 300wsm would go through body armor ....

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Good idea

@bobbywren123 Жыл бұрын

Like to see that done with some Yellow Box Brass Case Match Grade for the Mosin, It has a more pointed Tip than most 7.62x54R

@dougieh9676 5 ай бұрын

I want a 303 Lee-Enfield You gotta love it.❤

@randomoutdoors6794 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve not done much looking in to the 303 but I’m interested to see what it can do.👍keep up the videos they are great.👍

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Always appreciate you watching

@randomoutdoors6794 3 жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO thank man👍

@BigSkyCurmudgeon 3 жыл бұрын

remember the 303 is a very old cartridge, Muzzle velocity will not top 2600fps if that. as a hunting round, i would limit my shots on deer to under 300 yds. not a very diverse choice of bullets either, compared to the 30-06.

@grumpydano 3 жыл бұрын

PPU makes FMJ for a 303 but like all ammo it's hard to find it. Also Remington UMC makes it also both a 174 gr. Since Remington just opened back up maybe it will back on the shelf soon.

@WHOTEEWHO 3 жыл бұрын

Hard to find everything right now

@miltonhollis703 3 жыл бұрын

English has never made a decent firearm, but the 303 Enfield has won small war's with that accuracy, it's always been an excellent Sniper Rifle Of it's day and I realize admonition is A little pricey but it's WORTH it 👌 for an Antique 303 Enfield Rifle.

@richarddickinson7788 3 ай бұрын

😂many would disagree on that comment, the British Webley service revolver was renowned for its robust reliability and saw service in many wars, it could eject its spent shells in less than a second single handed on horse back, it was both single and double action, it’s US rival the Colt SAA as legendary as it was could at best get 6 shots off and reload in the time the Webley could get 18 shots off. The biggest difference between the UK and the US was that most firearms in the UK were designed for the military and as such there looks and finish was secondary to there reliability, whereas in the US there has always been been a huge demand for firearms in the domestic market, and as such the looks where just as important as the reliability, the US make some fine looking guns for sure.