I feel that, it was so cozy. Ludwig’s events feel pretty similar though so hopefully those don’t go away
@rockenamigo53457 ай бұрын
Once it got to like summit 6 it kinda lost the special aura it had. At least to me. Especially when they swapped to that ware house looking place around like summit 8.
@simian47527 ай бұрын
If someone filled that niche they'd be sitting on a goldmine
@Legendary_Honey7 ай бұрын
"This whole week I ate really healthy... eating an edible before bed - changed my life." Lmao 💀
@sweetbizil7 ай бұрын
fr fr lmao
@birdybirdytiger7 ай бұрын
that's the mang0
@Hyperion8567 ай бұрын
I agree the Zain Cody "rivalry" doesnt feel that special becauae they play eachother a ton. Thats part of what made the 5 Gods era interesting. They werent playing eachother every day.
@jonathanQgaming7 ай бұрын
Nice to see some self reflection at the beginning there, hope you boys stay on the weight loss and melee grind this year. We need jacked mango winning a supermajor!
@jsmithers.7 ай бұрын
🤡
@peashooter66287 ай бұрын
@@jsmithers.🤡
@MeechellАй бұрын
@@jsmithers.Funny part is it actually happened
@jsmithers.Ай бұрын
@@Meechell No. 🤡
@the_prophecyyy7 ай бұрын
Having to play in person was one of the sickest parts about melee
@noiramei6 ай бұрын
No Summit is actually so sad. It was such a nice break from usual tournament formats. RIP.
@rayhoward7 ай бұрын
the cody zain rivalry definitely is a watered down rivalry, it's like imagining Mang0 and Armada playing on stream every day or HBox and Moky playing everyday, there's definitely a difference of stream play vs tournament play but still if you watch them for a week and it's 70-30 one way, it takes away from the allure of seeing them in grands together
@pinecrustjuise7 ай бұрын
I dont think either of them give a fuck about content, they are just trying to improve.
@tetros52657 ай бұрын
@pinecrustjuise Yeah, that's why they're the best. Frankly, if you don't personally enjoy watching stream games, don't. I don't think it's their job to preserve the mystery of the narrative on a whole. That being said, friendlies and tourney ARE different, and beyond that there's a lot of factors that change things.
@chairwood7 ай бұрын
@@pinecrustjuise i think they both do care about content but it comes second to improvement which is how id want it to be
@chairwood7 ай бұрын
@@pinecrustjuise nah I think it's distinct thoughts. there is a big diff between not giving a fuck about something and caring but it not being top priority.
@The_SOB_II6 ай бұрын
I don't know how people watch that many grindsets
@Bluxorion7 ай бұрын
Would love to be able to listen to this on Spotify! Cheers
@xx_ggplot2_xx7 ай бұрын
PLEASE
@Viewtiful_Rose7 ай бұрын
Apple Podcasts as well for us non-Spotify plebs too
@Cashmoneez7 ай бұрын
Honestly just joey + mang0 is the best variation of the pod
@clem54197 ай бұрын
We need zain
@kizzagaming65237 ай бұрын
loved the one with Hugo honestly
@john345577 ай бұрын
Mang0, Leffen and Zain are still peak
@SICunchained7 ай бұрын
I appreciate the guests. As much as Hugs ain't my favorite solo creator, he shines around these two, and it's clear Mang0 and Lucky are really gonna make sure episodes are curated for their guests(having Hugs help rate cheap beers).
@gabrielwest25847 ай бұрын
My issue with 2023 is it felt like there was literally no tournaments. I remember times where it felt like there was something happening every week. This year felt like it only something every other month
@drakejoshofficialyoutubech55697 ай бұрын
I think the beginning part of the year wasn't as bad, but what sucked for the year was that there was almost no majors in the last 4 months of the year.
@adamquenano85637 ай бұрын
Best friendship in anime
@jsmithers.7 ай бұрын
🤡
@RoyRoyRoyRoyRoyRoyRoy7 ай бұрын
Cody Zain always practicing together definitely takes away from it, as much as everyone flamed hungrybox for never practicing with others top players it sure did make the top8s hype adding another element to the story and interest
@Irrelevant9616 күн бұрын
It’s crazy seeing how different Mang looks here vs recently at S Factor. Peloton grind paying off
@roxas74187 ай бұрын
This podcast is sick, the dynamic yall have is always fun to watch but the long form convos are fun to see. go birds
@jhibika7 ай бұрын
The spectacle of a rivalry was for me at least looking forward to see these 2 titans finally collide after *insert time* Seeing Mang0 play Armada was always something to LOOK towards because you didnt know what to expect. I hope that makes sense
@xDriftyX57 ай бұрын
Melee bootcamp/tournament confessionals have got to be the greatest idea I've ever heard. What a way to show off more personalities as well as maybe fuel future salty suite type content as well.
@lune97577 ай бұрын
Personal opinion: I feel melee has been a little boring last year because of the lack of very strong personalities in players. I feel like no one is grabbing my attention like the old players have. Rivalries feel less like a rivalry. It’s almost a little hard to put into words since I’ve been dipping in and out of melee. It doesn’t feel like much has changed. Just technical discourse here and there since Asmas breakthrough
@TheVirginMeri7 ай бұрын
yeah, not insulting anyone for its just nerd being friends about the game they all love. only personality is moky or cody crying about something
@SaiyanX56 ай бұрын
I like Cody but damn it sucks seeing him be #1 😂 I can't stand when he talks about the game lol
@das62356 ай бұрын
I relate with this heavily. For the longest time I have always been able to watch melee and ultimate basically interchangably but I find myself gravitating more towards ultimate. Simply put, it just feels like the same shit. The fact it went from 6 unique major winners over 17 events with Fox, Marth, Shiek, Puff, Falco, and YOSHI to 4 unique major winners over 11 events with Fox, Marth, and Shiek only makes it worse.
@ex-x70796 ай бұрын
@@das6235 Maybe you're just an ultimate player man.
@wickedsamurai33237 ай бұрын
mango bike streams would be cool, love to see the boys serious about self-improvement
@BasementDwellingGremlin6 ай бұрын
2019 me was in awe of how much Mang0 could drink, 2024 me understands why he doesnt consider himself an alcoholic
@bobbyspeckenbach85966 ай бұрын
Cody being the Nuggets of Melee is painfully accurate lmfao
@Xavier-do6ty7 ай бұрын
54:50 😲 he said it!
@user-xx4zt5wx3y7 ай бұрын
we miss the gods, the stacked tourneys and the star-studded crew battles, 'nuff said
@spawn-sr8tw7 ай бұрын
The confessional actually would schmack something special
@redpad797 ай бұрын
No summit has left a hole in my life man, I just find myself watching shitty 500 views sets from years ago now to fill that void lol
@KaL1ggs5 ай бұрын
i feel that lol
@breadbaskets27727 ай бұрын
2024 needs to be the year of no johns. I dont care if you both played bad, your hands are cold, your controller is broken, you got no sleep, WHATEVER. I have to avoid twitter because everytime i read melee twitter during a tourney it pisses me off
@jchud137 ай бұрын
My first reaction after seeing someone I like or someone who was talking big game lose is going to twitter to see the reaction lmfao. Honestly smash needs to get off twitter
@ChristianTheChicken7 ай бұрын
I think Twitter in general is just really bad. I have tried only following people I really want to follow, who are positive and stuff, but the site keeps pushing all this unnecessary drama on me no matter how many accounts I block or mute. The site just really wants me to be angry or depressed, and I just refuse to stay on it for that.
@rannynihilius84817 ай бұрын
@@ChristianTheChickenevery second someone must QRT some random tweet and make fun of or start beef with someone through that. The fact that you can like only type 2 sentences to respond to anything makes this whole site a platform with a communication issue that's easily plagued by the internet's misinformation cancer. Not even the reddits are this braindead and toxic in how people talk to each other and i still don't get why we don't try finding a solution. It's always sensationalism opinions to get impressions, players tweeting johns or emo stuff after losing, community members actively going after big players for saying or doing thing xyz, this whole rightwing conspiracy bubble that surfaced online lately who accept anything from deterrents to sex pests in their own ranks and it just goes on and on. Hope the issue gets addressed more by players because Twitter is just holding the growth of the scene on a short leash since this whole social media dopamine loop is just damaging our reputation.
@nathanl87697 ай бұрын
2024 should be the year of fans shutting up about how other people feel 😂
@jacoblunchbox94997 ай бұрын
i cant imagine caring enough about johns to let it affect me emotionally
@MitchBison7 ай бұрын
Miss Fortune Kreygasm
@WattPheasant6 ай бұрын
Hi Lucky, We played/talked at Searing Sands! I was a Marth player that you played on stream. Definitely was cool meeting you irl.
@pearlblade4 ай бұрын
Mang0 amd joey is the best combo just two bros
@brandonsolis69117 ай бұрын
True life style confessionals at the grind house is such a great idea holy hell
@ClaudiusPtolemy7 ай бұрын
37:25 lmao. "The people looking in get rubbed off that way". Can't believe they didn't start giggling
@RIStar-ds7wr6 ай бұрын
One reason why Melee sucked in 2023 is because a lot of top players just didn’t take competing seriously this year. Mango, Hbox, Leffen, Plup, Slug, Ginger, Fiction, Wizzy, Axe, etc.
@j0rd05 ай бұрын
Love the show, yo Mang, it'd be cool if you and Joey would chat a bit about the different controller types and their pros and cons sometime! Btw you the GOAT
@panikk27 ай бұрын
eyy the mics are individually recording in stereo, so every time mang0's face shakes back and forth it goes ear to ear for headphone users.
@mathisrecords7 ай бұрын
sounds immersive lol
@sadbandit7 ай бұрын
mang putting the world onto seltzers during covid was very important for me as a young man drinking
@LeBrebaDuh7 ай бұрын
mang0 nerding out about league has to be some of the most entertaining talk hes had imo LMAO, hope he comes back to the grind, the new TRUESKILL system for ranked is amazing
@chullupa7 ай бұрын
Self improvement mango about to start meditating
@topherharrison80425 ай бұрын
Joey looking clean with that hair
@P0liFGC6 ай бұрын
Hearing mango say “if you’re a broke boy just say so” so hilarious 😂
@MiloMusx7 ай бұрын
Shouts out to Sriracha
@jacoblunchbox94997 ай бұрын
we need more beef in melee, i say we hold confrences with all the players talking shit before the tourney starts, something like what the ufc does
@BlizZ97 ай бұрын
Joey and Mang0 dripped out in the C9 gear. Lol
@AdThe1st7 ай бұрын
Absolutely love this pod, I'll deffo sub to the patreon once I'm no long a broke boy. A Slime ep would go hard
@NightGhost-qs6yw7 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to see MANG0 back with a fire.
@ph1ki7 ай бұрын
nice hoodie mang
@Pingponglu420697 ай бұрын
I just hit a fatty and opened KZfaq and see this?!? Have a good day bois 😎🎉
@riotjanna7 ай бұрын
21:45 literally making an open house boot camp would be amazing
@Fedivdicher7 ай бұрын
If you’re not good enough to be at the house you become the designated blunt roller and drink mixer, it’s a fair deal
@darkeater007 ай бұрын
ngl i was kinda laughing about them drinking so much but i was definitely baked every single day from 2020 to early 2022
@atomicmelodies7 ай бұрын
Need that 2014 mang0 back
@annettenebiolo69627 ай бұрын
There's gotta be something in the water cuz I've been on the grind too. Didn't even plan on it, just felt motivated.
@David-pw9es7 ай бұрын
we need the magic on the pod 🙏
@vegetahumbled6 ай бұрын
Dude I’m just finding out about tournaments mango is the dude.
@jensoh6 ай бұрын
37:56 + SluG !!!
@SquattingxBear7 ай бұрын
There are three big tournaments all in a row: Altitude Sickness, Genesis X, and then Full Bloom 5 :(
@nathanclarke71627 ай бұрын
I agree with the fact that Cody and Zain playing so much takes away from the hype. They play hours every day and are like best friends it's not very exciting
@mire_cs6 ай бұрын
39:55 this part is weirdly ignoring moky's meteoric rise to top 5
@PhazonTaco7 ай бұрын
STD's at PAT'S HOUSE...those were the days...always thankful as a 16 year old scrub being able to go to those legendary smashfests where all of SoCal would meet up in this 2 bedroom condo/garage.
@haniii37 ай бұрын
Having leffen back fr for a year would probably shake up the cody zain ecosystem
@devsterdog6 ай бұрын
Goku and Vegeta became friends but were always the best rivalry. Frieza too
@GlizzyGoblin-wu5ps7 ай бұрын
I hardly see Mang0 play League and idk if its a Cloud9 set design. But cant take my eyes off of how League of Legends is filled in the backgrounds.
@TheVirginMeri7 ай бұрын
Dude Cody's speech before "The Match" was bad. Yes everyone knows that it was a dumb way to decide #1, but a person competing in it isn't supposed to say it lol. Especially not on Lud's stream with a new audience, i didnt even watch because the tension got ruined
@TheVirginMeri7 ай бұрын
Though at the same time I kinda just don't have any attachments to majority of top players these days at this point I'm way more of a Mango fan than a Melee fan lol
@jchud137 ай бұрын
He only said that because everyone including practicalTAS kept shitting on the idea, how is two dudes duking it out in a fighting game a dumb way to decide number 1?
@TheVirginMeri7 ай бұрын
@@jchud13 Because it is dumb, everyone pretty much knew that. There's more to being the better competitor than being the better player on a given day. But people also knew the benefits of the event. But someone in the match probably shouldn't acknowledge how dumb it is right before the match😅
@muqmanor6 ай бұрын
Imma be honest, literally the only times I ever open Twitch are when tournaments are happening. I don't watch daily streams at all. So for me the whole thing about Zain & Cody playing too much doesn't exist. I see them play when tournaments happen, that's it. And their sets ALWAYS deliver
@Thrallking6 ай бұрын
Cody's good but he's the least interesting top melee player ever imo. He seems nice but the guy's just a charisma vacuum, bans people from his twitch who say he looks like reviewbrah. Zains cool but he's like a straight man in a comedic duo. It'd be a sick rivalry with someone who was a little more wacky. It is over saturated too.
@broelocklite38756 ай бұрын
please do the confessional bit
@alexanderespinoza7 ай бұрын
24:35 It's a completely different experience getting your ass handed to you in person
@PreacherJenkins7 ай бұрын
Haven't watched yet but that title is wild
@_Majunior7 ай бұрын
Finally an episode without Hugo
@tonypantoja57677 ай бұрын
back in the day it was way harder to get out of bronze you had to be actually 10x better then everyone and finish byyorself
@GiftOfGav937 ай бұрын
lol joey said he was doing the Leonidas
@mire_cs6 ай бұрын
we need more orange county monthlies for LA + SD peeps to meet halfway >:(
@t3hb0redne5s7 ай бұрын
They know each other's play too well. The defensive play is too good as well. I want them to go back to basics and hard reads and mix ups all over the place. They know all the options that they go for and they just don't get combo'd or die.
@TheUnicornslayer7 ай бұрын
peak melee was right before Armada retired
@papadelta94857 ай бұрын
love this. but yeah i am dead broke so i cant get the patreon
@supwithit7 ай бұрын
Y’all should consider SDJ, (puff) from Texas. He’s up there too.
@ProfessorBjorn7 ай бұрын
"I've been eating really healthy all week" Oh that's awesome actually love to hear th- "Eating edibles every night before bed changed my life" wait WHAT?
@DrewDone6 ай бұрын
What is the Yuma tourney called?
@tai_you7 ай бұрын
Looking forward to the return of .5's
@Whatisit21227 ай бұрын
I really want to meet you mango. I was a little kid and played so much melee and I tried so hard to get into tournaments but didn’t have a way there living in the Midwest sucks. You are the embodiment of how I play video games. When I play melee I feel like I’m letting loose. One day I will meet you and we will play melee.
@BungoBALLS7 ай бұрын
oh my god I love the league of legends talk
@DigitaIJustice7 ай бұрын
Melee is only good when Mang0 is fighting for #1
@sitowitz68887 ай бұрын
Is there a vod for that lucky medz grands?
@BananasLicorishAndGoodBread7 ай бұрын
Thought they were talking about Bond
@clem54197 ай бұрын
Wish there were timestamps
@jacoblunchbox94997 ай бұрын
you can be the timestamp guy in the comments from now on. youll get all the likes
@Frichilsasta082 ай бұрын
Can anyone tell me the nike model lucky is wearing
@mastershmiddy6 ай бұрын
Cody/Zain’s lukewarm rivalry isn’t the issue-Ultimate rivalries (acola, Miya, Sparg0, Sonix) are boring, too, and none of those guys practice together. #1 most interesting thing in Smash is UNDERDOG STORIES. That’s why Axe was the real star of 2019, and aMSa and Jmook were the stars of 2022. If aMSa won more this year, or Slug won a major, or Mang0 got Top 8 with solo Doc, we’d be a lot more excited
@jaredhansen59697 ай бұрын
I wanna see Lucky bring it back this year. His fox is legit fun to watch. As a Mango die hard fan, who'll always hold it down, I just wanna see some sick shit. For the current commentary/shit talk from Cody, and Jmook. It's definitely objectively biased to bitch about fans not being hype on 2023. It was a down year. They compared "O.G." player story lines to what happened in 2023, and why fans weren't hyped. 2022 was a wayyyyyy better year when compared to last year. Mango and Lucky hit the nail on the head, watching the 2 top players of 2023 play against each other on stream, and in tournament as much as they did FOR SURE killed the essence of the competitive scene. Anyways, hyped as fuck for Genesis that'll be taking place during my 34th Bday. Heres to a sick year of Melee.
@chairsan72497 ай бұрын
nah i think the two top players playing every day is sick, at that point there is no gimmicks no unfamiliarity it just comes down to who is better, it is the most objective it can possibly be
@michaeledes11116 ай бұрын
Where did Johnny move to?
@matteopacelli90017 ай бұрын
2023 wasn’t boring in my opinion but what do I know lol
@NVS-167 ай бұрын
My favorite show, imang0
@jtobiasthomasrose7 ай бұрын
26:19-26:20 good recovery for jbone
@user-ed6ek3to1t7 ай бұрын
Where did s2j move ? He was a huge falcon in the socal scene
@yumbream7 ай бұрын
He works for nvidia in the bay area (norcal)
@ohalohuntero7 ай бұрын
Is Mang0s mic buzzing when he speaks sometimes
@alexlol24287 ай бұрын
What ever happened to mang0’s podcast with leffen and zain lol
@CrumblingCoin997 ай бұрын
IS THAT A FLIP PHONE
@ex-x70796 ай бұрын
i love Lucky one of my favorite Foxes. But Lol Top 20 is a big reach. There's too many sharks out there. way too many.
@brandonnleyva1007 ай бұрын
Mango needs to get jacked
@edfgc5 ай бұрын
Melee is just borring the top players and the tournaments act so polite that is just borring