Why 2023 Melee Was Boring | On a Tuesday Ep. 7

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Why 2023 Melee Was Boring | On a Tuesday Ep. 7

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@mbabaneamputee7725 7 ай бұрын

summit was must watch tv, that shit still hurts

@DroolingLizard 7 ай бұрын

Yeah it almost felt like being there in the house

@jsmithers. 7 ай бұрын

@@DroolingLizard🤡

@poinguard909 7 ай бұрын

I feel that, it was so cozy. Ludwig’s events feel pretty similar though so hopefully those don’t go away

@rockenamigo5345 7 ай бұрын

Once it got to like summit 6 it kinda lost the special aura it had. At least to me. Especially when they swapped to that ware house looking place around like summit 8.

@simian4752 7 ай бұрын

If someone filled that niche they'd be sitting on a goldmine

@Legendary_Honey 7 ай бұрын

"This whole week I ate really healthy... eating an edible before bed - changed my life." Lmao 💀

@sweetbizil 7 ай бұрын

fr fr lmao

@birdybirdytiger 7 ай бұрын

that's the mang0

@Hyperion856 7 ай бұрын

I agree the Zain Cody "rivalry" doesnt feel that special becauae they play eachother a ton. Thats part of what made the 5 Gods era interesting. They werent playing eachother every day.

@jonathanQgaming 7 ай бұрын

Nice to see some self reflection at the beginning there, hope you boys stay on the weight loss and melee grind this year. We need jacked mango winning a supermajor!

@jsmithers. 7 ай бұрын

🤡

@peashooter6628 7 ай бұрын

@@jsmithers.🤡

@Meechell Ай бұрын

@@jsmithers.Funny part is it actually happened

@jsmithers. Ай бұрын

@@Meechell No. 🤡

@the_prophecyyy 7 ай бұрын

Having to play in person was one of the sickest parts about melee

@noiramei 6 ай бұрын

No Summit is actually so sad. It was such a nice break from usual tournament formats. RIP.

@rayhoward 7 ай бұрын

the cody zain rivalry definitely is a watered down rivalry, it's like imagining Mang0 and Armada playing on stream every day or HBox and Moky playing everyday, there's definitely a difference of stream play vs tournament play but still if you watch them for a week and it's 70-30 one way, it takes away from the allure of seeing them in grands together

@pinecrustjuise 7 ай бұрын

I dont think either of them give a fuck about content, they are just trying to improve.

@tetros5265 7 ай бұрын

@pinecrustjuise Yeah, that's why they're the best. Frankly, if you don't personally enjoy watching stream games, don't. I don't think it's their job to preserve the mystery of the narrative on a whole. That being said, friendlies and tourney ARE different, and beyond that there's a lot of factors that change things.

@chairwood 7 ай бұрын

@@pinecrustjuise i think they both do care about content but it comes second to improvement which is how id want it to be

@chairwood 7 ай бұрын

@@pinecrustjuise nah I think it's distinct thoughts. there is a big diff between not giving a fuck about something and caring but it not being top priority.

@The_SOB_II 6 ай бұрын

I don't know how people watch that many grindsets

@Bluxorion 7 ай бұрын

Would love to be able to listen to this on Spotify! Cheers

@xx_ggplot2_xx 7 ай бұрын

PLEASE

@Viewtiful_Rose 7 ай бұрын

Apple Podcasts as well for us non-Spotify plebs too

@Cashmoneez 7 ай бұрын

Honestly just joey + mang0 is the best variation of the pod

@clem5419 7 ай бұрын

We need zain

@kizzagaming6523 7 ай бұрын

loved the one with Hugo honestly

@john34557 7 ай бұрын

Mang0, Leffen and Zain are still peak

@SICunchained 7 ай бұрын

I appreciate the guests. As much as Hugs ain't my favorite solo creator, he shines around these two, and it's clear Mang0 and Lucky are really gonna make sure episodes are curated for their guests(having Hugs help rate cheap beers).

@gabrielwest2584 7 ай бұрын

My issue with 2023 is it felt like there was literally no tournaments. I remember times where it felt like there was something happening every week. This year felt like it only something every other month

@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 7 ай бұрын

I think the beginning part of the year wasn't as bad, but what sucked for the year was that there was almost no majors in the last 4 months of the year.

@adamquenano8563 7 ай бұрын

Best friendship in anime

@jsmithers. 7 ай бұрын

🤡

@RoyRoyRoyRoyRoyRoyRoy 7 ай бұрын

Cody Zain always practicing together definitely takes away from it, as much as everyone flamed hungrybox for never practicing with others top players it sure did make the top8s hype adding another element to the story and interest

@Irrelevant96 16 күн бұрын

It’s crazy seeing how different Mang looks here vs recently at S Factor. Peloton grind paying off

@roxas7418 7 ай бұрын

This podcast is sick, the dynamic yall have is always fun to watch but the long form convos are fun to see. go birds

@jhibika 7 ай бұрын

The spectacle of a rivalry was for me at least looking forward to see these 2 titans finally collide after *insert time* Seeing Mang0 play Armada was always something to LOOK towards because you didnt know what to expect. I hope that makes sense

@xDriftyX5 7 ай бұрын

Melee bootcamp/tournament confessionals have got to be the greatest idea I've ever heard. What a way to show off more personalities as well as maybe fuel future salty suite type content as well.

@lune9757 7 ай бұрын

Personal opinion: I feel melee has been a little boring last year because of the lack of very strong personalities in players. I feel like no one is grabbing my attention like the old players have. Rivalries feel less like a rivalry. It’s almost a little hard to put into words since I’ve been dipping in and out of melee. It doesn’t feel like much has changed. Just technical discourse here and there since Asmas breakthrough

@TheVirginMeri 7 ай бұрын

yeah, not insulting anyone for its just nerd being friends about the game they all love. only personality is moky or cody crying about something

@SaiyanX5 6 ай бұрын

I like Cody but damn it sucks seeing him be #1 😂 I can't stand when he talks about the game lol

@das6235 6 ай бұрын

I relate with this heavily. For the longest time I have always been able to watch melee and ultimate basically interchangably but I find myself gravitating more towards ultimate. Simply put, it just feels like the same shit. The fact it went from 6 unique major winners over 17 events with Fox, Marth, Shiek, Puff, Falco, and YOSHI to 4 unique major winners over 11 events with Fox, Marth, and Shiek only makes it worse.

@ex-x7079 6 ай бұрын

@@das6235 Maybe you're just an ultimate player man.

@wickedsamurai3323 7 ай бұрын

mango bike streams would be cool, love to see the boys serious about self-improvement

@BasementDwellingGremlin 6 ай бұрын

2019 me was in awe of how much Mang0 could drink, 2024 me understands why he doesnt consider himself an alcoholic

@bobbyspeckenbach8596 6 ай бұрын

Cody being the Nuggets of Melee is painfully accurate lmfao

@Xavier-do6ty 7 ай бұрын

54:50 😲 he said it!

@user-xx4zt5wx3y 7 ай бұрын

we miss the gods, the stacked tourneys and the star-studded crew battles, 'nuff said

@spawn-sr8tw 7 ай бұрын

The confessional actually would schmack something special

@redpad79 7 ай бұрын

No summit has left a hole in my life man, I just find myself watching shitty 500 views sets from years ago now to fill that void lol

@KaL1ggs 5 ай бұрын

i feel that lol

@breadbaskets2772 7 ай бұрын

2024 needs to be the year of no johns. I dont care if you both played bad, your hands are cold, your controller is broken, you got no sleep, WHATEVER. I have to avoid twitter because everytime i read melee twitter during a tourney it pisses me off

@jchud13 7 ай бұрын

My first reaction after seeing someone I like or someone who was talking big game lose is going to twitter to see the reaction lmfao. Honestly smash needs to get off twitter

@ChristianTheChicken 7 ай бұрын

I think Twitter in general is just really bad. I have tried only following people I really want to follow, who are positive and stuff, but the site keeps pushing all this unnecessary drama on me no matter how many accounts I block or mute. The site just really wants me to be angry or depressed, and I just refuse to stay on it for that.

@rannynihilius8481 7 ай бұрын

@@ChristianTheChickenevery second someone must QRT some random tweet and make fun of or start beef with someone through that. The fact that you can like only type 2 sentences to respond to anything makes this whole site a platform with a communication issue that's easily plagued by the internet's misinformation cancer. Not even the reddits are this braindead and toxic in how people talk to each other and i still don't get why we don't try finding a solution. It's always sensationalism opinions to get impressions, players tweeting johns or emo stuff after losing, community members actively going after big players for saying or doing thing xyz, this whole rightwing conspiracy bubble that surfaced online lately who accept anything from deterrents to sex pests in their own ranks and it just goes on and on. Hope the issue gets addressed more by players because Twitter is just holding the growth of the scene on a short leash since this whole social media dopamine loop is just damaging our reputation.

@nathanl8769 7 ай бұрын

2024 should be the year of fans shutting up about how other people feel 😂

@jacoblunchbox9499 7 ай бұрын

i cant imagine caring enough about johns to let it affect me emotionally

@MitchBison 7 ай бұрын

Miss Fortune Kreygasm

@WattPheasant 6 ай бұрын

Hi Lucky, We played/talked at Searing Sands! I was a Marth player that you played on stream. Definitely was cool meeting you irl.

@pearlblade 4 ай бұрын

Mang0 amd joey is the best combo just two bros

@brandonsolis6911 7 ай бұрын

True life style confessionals at the grind house is such a great idea holy hell

@ClaudiusPtolemy 7 ай бұрын

37:25 lmao. "The people looking in get rubbed off that way". Can't believe they didn't start giggling

@RIStar-ds7wr 6 ай бұрын

One reason why Melee sucked in 2023 is because a lot of top players just didn’t take competing seriously this year. Mango, Hbox, Leffen, Plup, Slug, Ginger, Fiction, Wizzy, Axe, etc.

@j0rd0 5 ай бұрын

Love the show, yo Mang, it'd be cool if you and Joey would chat a bit about the different controller types and their pros and cons sometime! Btw you the GOAT

@panikk2 7 ай бұрын

eyy the mics are individually recording in stereo, so every time mang0's face shakes back and forth it goes ear to ear for headphone users.

@mathisrecords 7 ай бұрын

sounds immersive lol

@sadbandit 7 ай бұрын

mang putting the world onto seltzers during covid was very important for me as a young man drinking

@LeBrebaDuh 7 ай бұрын

mang0 nerding out about league has to be some of the most entertaining talk hes had imo LMAO, hope he comes back to the grind, the new TRUESKILL system for ranked is amazing

@chullupa 7 ай бұрын

Self improvement mango about to start meditating

@topherharrison8042 5 ай бұрын

Joey looking clean with that hair

@P0liFGC 6 ай бұрын

Hearing mango say “if you’re a broke boy just say so” so hilarious 😂

@MiloMusx 7 ай бұрын

Shouts out to Sriracha

@jacoblunchbox9499 7 ай бұрын

we need more beef in melee, i say we hold confrences with all the players talking shit before the tourney starts, something like what the ufc does

@BlizZ9 7 ай бұрын

Joey and Mang0 dripped out in the C9 gear. Lol

@AdThe1st 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely love this pod, I'll deffo sub to the patreon once I'm no long a broke boy. A Slime ep would go hard

@NightGhost-qs6yw 7 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to see MANG0 back with a fire.

@ph1ki 7 ай бұрын

nice hoodie mang

@Pingponglu42069 7 ай бұрын

I just hit a fatty and opened KZfaq and see this?!? Have a good day bois 😎🎉

@riotjanna 7 ай бұрын

21:45 literally making an open house boot camp would be amazing

@Fedivdicher 7 ай бұрын

If you’re not good enough to be at the house you become the designated blunt roller and drink mixer, it’s a fair deal

@darkeater00 7 ай бұрын

ngl i was kinda laughing about them drinking so much but i was definitely baked every single day from 2020 to early 2022

@atomicmelodies 7 ай бұрын

Need that 2014 mang0 back

@annettenebiolo6962 7 ай бұрын

There's gotta be something in the water cuz I've been on the grind too. Didn't even plan on it, just felt motivated.

@David-pw9es 7 ай бұрын

we need the magic on the pod 🙏

@vegetahumbled 6 ай бұрын

Dude I’m just finding out about tournaments mango is the dude.

@jensoh 6 ай бұрын

37:56 + SluG !!!

@SquattingxBear 7 ай бұрын

There are three big tournaments all in a row: Altitude Sickness, Genesis X, and then Full Bloom 5 :(

@nathanclarke7162 7 ай бұрын

I agree with the fact that Cody and Zain playing so much takes away from the hype. They play hours every day and are like best friends it's not very exciting

@mire_cs 6 ай бұрын

39:55 this part is weirdly ignoring moky's meteoric rise to top 5

@PhazonTaco 7 ай бұрын

STD's at PAT'S HOUSE...those were the days...always thankful as a 16 year old scrub being able to go to those legendary smashfests where all of SoCal would meet up in this 2 bedroom condo/garage.

@haniii3 7 ай бұрын

Having leffen back fr for a year would probably shake up the cody zain ecosystem

@devsterdog 6 ай бұрын

Goku and Vegeta became friends but were always the best rivalry. Frieza too

@GlizzyGoblin-wu5ps 7 ай бұрын

I hardly see Mang0 play League and idk if its a Cloud9 set design. But cant take my eyes off of how League of Legends is filled in the backgrounds.

@TheVirginMeri 7 ай бұрын

Dude Cody's speech before "The Match" was bad. Yes everyone knows that it was a dumb way to decide #1, but a person competing in it isn't supposed to say it lol. Especially not on Lud's stream with a new audience, i didnt even watch because the tension got ruined

@TheVirginMeri 7 ай бұрын

Though at the same time I kinda just don't have any attachments to majority of top players these days at this point I'm way more of a Mango fan than a Melee fan lol

@jchud13 7 ай бұрын

He only said that because everyone including practicalTAS kept shitting on the idea, how is two dudes duking it out in a fighting game a dumb way to decide number 1?

@TheVirginMeri 7 ай бұрын

@@jchud13 Because it is dumb, everyone pretty much knew that. There's more to being the better competitor than being the better player on a given day. But people also knew the benefits of the event. But someone in the match probably shouldn't acknowledge how dumb it is right before the match😅

@muqmanor 6 ай бұрын

Imma be honest, literally the only times I ever open Twitch are when tournaments are happening. I don't watch daily streams at all. So for me the whole thing about Zain & Cody playing too much doesn't exist. I see them play when tournaments happen, that's it. And their sets ALWAYS deliver

@Thrallking 6 ай бұрын

Cody's good but he's the least interesting top melee player ever imo. He seems nice but the guy's just a charisma vacuum, bans people from his twitch who say he looks like reviewbrah. Zains cool but he's like a straight man in a comedic duo. It'd be a sick rivalry with someone who was a little more wacky. It is over saturated too.

@broelocklite3875 6 ай бұрын

please do the confessional bit

@alexanderespinoza 7 ай бұрын

24:35 It's a completely different experience getting your ass handed to you in person

@PreacherJenkins 7 ай бұрын

Haven't watched yet but that title is wild

@_Majunior 7 ай бұрын

Finally an episode without Hugo

@tonypantoja5767 7 ай бұрын

back in the day it was way harder to get out of bronze you had to be actually 10x better then everyone and finish byyorself

@GiftOfGav93 7 ай бұрын

lol joey said he was doing the Leonidas

@mire_cs 6 ай бұрын

we need more orange county monthlies for LA + SD peeps to meet halfway >:(

@t3hb0redne5s 7 ай бұрын

They know each other's play too well. The defensive play is too good as well. I want them to go back to basics and hard reads and mix ups all over the place. They know all the options that they go for and they just don't get combo'd or die.

@TheUnicornslayer 7 ай бұрын

peak melee was right before Armada retired

@papadelta9485 7 ай бұрын

love this. but yeah i am dead broke so i cant get the patreon

@supwithit 7 ай бұрын

Y’all should consider SDJ, (puff) from Texas. He’s up there too.

@ProfessorBjorn 7 ай бұрын

"I've been eating really healthy all week" Oh that's awesome actually love to hear th- "Eating edibles every night before bed changed my life" wait WHAT?

@DrewDone 6 ай бұрын

What is the Yuma tourney called?

@tai_you 7 ай бұрын

Looking forward to the return of .5's

@Whatisit2122 7 ай бұрын

I really want to meet you mango. I was a little kid and played so much melee and I tried so hard to get into tournaments but didn’t have a way there living in the Midwest sucks. You are the embodiment of how I play video games. When I play melee I feel like I’m letting loose. One day I will meet you and we will play melee.

@BungoBALLS 7 ай бұрын

oh my god I love the league of legends talk

@DigitaIJustice 7 ай бұрын

Melee is only good when Mang0 is fighting for #1

@sitowitz6888 7 ай бұрын

Is there a vod for that lucky medz grands?

@BananasLicorishAndGoodBread 7 ай бұрын

Thought they were talking about Bond

@clem5419 7 ай бұрын

Wish there were timestamps

@jacoblunchbox9499 7 ай бұрын

you can be the timestamp guy in the comments from now on. youll get all the likes

@Frichilsasta08 2 ай бұрын

Can anyone tell me the nike model lucky is wearing

@mastershmiddy 6 ай бұрын

Cody/Zain’s lukewarm rivalry isn’t the issue-Ultimate rivalries (acola, Miya, Sparg0, Sonix) are boring, too, and none of those guys practice together. #1 most interesting thing in Smash is UNDERDOG STORIES. That’s why Axe was the real star of 2019, and aMSa and Jmook were the stars of 2022. If aMSa won more this year, or Slug won a major, or Mang0 got Top 8 with solo Doc, we’d be a lot more excited

@jaredhansen5969 7 ай бұрын

I wanna see Lucky bring it back this year. His fox is legit fun to watch. As a Mango die hard fan, who'll always hold it down, I just wanna see some sick shit. For the current commentary/shit talk from Cody, and Jmook. It's definitely objectively biased to bitch about fans not being hype on 2023. It was a down year. They compared "O.G." player story lines to what happened in 2023, and why fans weren't hyped. 2022 was a wayyyyyy better year when compared to last year. Mango and Lucky hit the nail on the head, watching the 2 top players of 2023 play against each other on stream, and in tournament as much as they did FOR SURE killed the essence of the competitive scene. Anyways, hyped as fuck for Genesis that'll be taking place during my 34th Bday. Heres to a sick year of Melee.

@chairsan7249 7 ай бұрын

nah i think the two top players playing every day is sick, at that point there is no gimmicks no unfamiliarity it just comes down to who is better, it is the most objective it can possibly be