Ignoring the archery focus, this is actually a phenomenal explanation of sports and their relationship to the Olympics. Extremely enlightening. Thank you.

I'd rather see Horse archery or flight archery in the Olympics. Horse archery in particular is a lot more interesting to watch for advertising, and these sports have thousands of years of tradition, but compound archery has only around 50 years of sport history and would not address the common complaints of Olympic Archery as a spectator sport, such as being boring to watch for non archers. This is my personal opinion, nonetheless.

I got into Recurve because of you. Its helped me more than I can explain as a disabled Veteran. Thanks mate, you and your videos have been greatly appreciated.

Just watched a few of the videos. I'm thinking of getting bows out again. Remembering how my dad and I would shoot his bow in the backyard. Love this information!

Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine kzfaq.infoUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.

Extremely well thought out. Extremely well presented.

I really love this well thought out and precise explaination. The Olympic games may be the biggest possible stage in terms of media and world attention but that's about it. Most people tend to think that the Olympics are the most important because the entire world, from teenagers to old folks, men and women, sports enthusiast or couch potato, is getting it presented and it's the center of attention on almost any type of media. Thank you for this video!

Very well explained, many thanks.

YES! So glad you mentioned the IHAA

3:58 i wouldn't say forever, top level compound bow require large amounts of strength as well but it's more focused on static precision instead of explosive power.

Good episode. I'm enjoying backyard shooting with recurve and compound. I will be trying sights and a release add on one of my recurves. And I shoot older compounds with 3 fingers. Fun to move between each of them. If you included variations, you'd have about 30 different classes - too much for TV ... 🙃

A small point of correction. At about 2 minutes in you refer to aluminium risers developing in the early 70s. Bow risers at that point were made of magnesium alloy (similar to car wheels) rather than aluminium which only came to prominence in the late 80s early 90s. Cannot be definite that all risers were made that way, but certainly the dominant brands (Hoyt, Yamaha etc) in the 70s were magnesium.

This question is more for the fans: Nusensei has a horsebow (or asiatic style recurve) that makes the sexiest draw sound possible. It's a very notable creak to it, but I cannot find which one it was. If you know, you know.

I wouldn't be surprised if IOC do include compound in the future, whether near or far. But I guess it would depend of WA would campaign to have it included also. As a beginner who started last year with recurve, I've watched many compound, barebow, and trad bow competitions, and it's a shame that many talented archers who would represent their countries very well aren't able to have the world stage to showcase their talents. But I do understand the business and logistics side of it, more categories in a particular event would cost more. But as Nu said, there are plenty of archery competitions that host other categories styles and some would consider a greater honour to compete and win in.

I think NYT did an article on this. Basically IOC is not convinced compound (or long bow or other types of archery) is that much different than recurve (to attract eyeballs and viewership) to justify extras costs to add compound to the program.

If possible, it would be great if you could explain different styles of bow draws. I’ve seen some draw the string below the nock and don’t understand the purpose it…

If the organisation is anything like fencing then the issue is that the IOC allocates only so many medals to World Archery. They could put compound in the next Olympics but in order to do so they would have to drop a recurve event for every compound.

Hi NUSensei. Since we're just past the Olympic Games I think it's a great time to re-do a few videos from the past. Interest is still high and many people would love to know what do they need to get into archery. If you could please consider making a video (or divide it into multiple videos if you feel it is better) to show new archers what do they need to get into the sport, that would be great. One idea would be to focus on new archers (who may be thinking abou starting after watching the games) and go through what you need if they have a club nearby (mainly, join the club and use their equipment) and if they don't (maybe just have a safe place to shot but having to buy their own equipment. Example: If you have a club, they will provide you with equipment to start and, as you progress, they can help you choose the right equipment for you. If you don't have a club but have a safe place to practice (refer to your video about backyard shooting) then you can go for the budget option (entry level takedown bow, quiver, pre-assebled arrows, finger tab or glove, arm guard, arrow rest, string wax, nock point brass or made of string, and some optional gear like bow case, targets, foam targets, etc), a mid range setup (better takedown bow, maybe ILF, choice of limbs, fastflight string, clicker, pressure button, sight, complete arrow parts including shaft, insert, nock point, nock, tip, gluw, vane tape, vane, etc) and a top end Olympic kit (riser, limbs, string, sight, stabilizers, weights, full X10 arrows including wraps, jigs and maintenance equipment, chest guards, bow squares, etc). No need to get into details like which one to choose, but just give a full list of what may be needed. Do this using the cat on a website like Lancaster to give people an ideia of current prices for each level and I can guarantee you you'll get MANY views. Maybe break it down into 3 videos, one for each level, and triple the views since most people will want to open all three to see the difference. Just an idea. Hope it helps.

Maybe they should do 3 stages for each archer where they shoot longbow recurve and compound to show the evolution of archery, this would also mean they may win recurve but may not win longbow or compound but are still required to compete in them in order to win competition. You then don't need an extra set of staff as there would be no more archers. Just an idea.

They should do a direct comparison between a good archer with an Olympic recurve with stabilizers, against a good archer with a Compound bow without stabilizers. I wonder if stabilizers are actually more beneficial for accuracy than the Compound system.

I'm curious about your thoughts on lever bows like onieda bows?

I think we should add competitive sleeping and compound bow shooting to the Olympics!

Nice work Never watched an event but if I wanted another style adding it would be longbow as surely far more accessible than those cyberbows!

If the cost is a big part of the why, what would you think about cutting the format in half, 64 athletes instead of 128, but having two events?

That was a good video and an interesting topic. Can you please talk about arrow rests in general? Like not only the super are hunter rests, but also the magnetic one.

So I do archery with a compound bow right now so could I use a recurve in a tournament with other compound users?

I was totally absorbed by the Olympic and Paralympic archery. But I confess I use a recurve bow.

I first learned on recurve bows a little over 20 years ago but I really enjoy my compound bow. I enjoy the technical aspects of cams, tuning, etc.

As a beginner i regret buying compound bow so many things to do now i wish i shoudlve just bought the recurve bow

Ok another good question to add.. why is it recurve shoots 70m targets vs compound who shoots 50m? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

I miss the intro "archery with nu"

Add a 100lb+ Compound Division. Power, Accurate and Stamina. I know there are none at present but hey, that is what competitions are for, incentive! You could make sure the target is penetrated deeply enough as well, just to mix it up. A Triathlon style event using bows to role a few into one?

If compound archers are getting 10s consistantly doesn't that mean that the target is too close?

I don’t even watch archery and I’m here

Pretty much as with any kind of sport when "new" equipment is introduced that offers benefits over the old. Two things can happen: Either more and more people move towards the new equipment over time Or people complain that the new equipment isn't fair and with enough complaints the regulating body puts a new regulation in place that bans the new equipment. We can see that a lot on Formula One car design. Some new stuff gets introduced and gets widespread acceptance and use, other things get banned. Some things are mandated. With archery, if there is no rule against using compound bows and they offer a benefit and advantage, somebody would use one. And if it shows to be beneficial, people would either switch from recurve to compound, or complain and compound bows would be banned in competition. Imagine if at some point the use of metal and fiber glass bows would be banned and only wooden bows would be allowed.... And I can totally imagine compound archery becoming it's own olympic discipline at some point. If it's distinct enough it can become a thing. A bit like how biathlon is an olympic discipline, despite there already being four skiing disciplines (alpine skiing, cross-country skiing, freestyle skiing, nordic combined skiing) and snowboarding. But they all are distinct enough from each other to warrant being their own discipline. So having another archery discipline like compound next to recurve might be possible. And maybe even a wooden longbow or barebow discipline as well.

Hi, shooting has various versions in the Olympics. My suggestion to have all forms archery and to keep cost down. Is to have a max number of team members five or ten per country. They would have to have a knowledge or experience with all forms or archery. Have individual gold and team gold for each style then one for an overall. A bit like gymnastics. Thanks for a great video and look forward to more of your insights.

Is compound better than recurve in terms of arrow speed, accuracy, precision, ease of use, etc?

Watched the full video.. never used a bow in my life 🤣

I find Barebow and Traditional to be the most fun to both shoot and watch. Compound is the best representation of modern archery even if it isn't my cup of tea. The question is, would anyone shoot Olympic Recurve if it wasn't in the olympics?

This was talked about prior to the 2020/2021 Olympics. Essentially it comes down to a lack of compound archers across the world. Mostly female compound archers.

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Nu. Thanks ,so much , for another shirt out . A bit of Olympic trivia . Pole archery was an Olympic event . 1900 and 1920 . So there are gold medals, some where, for pole archery . I have no idea where . the games in question where Paris n Brussels . So pole archery would be considered a local sport . Another interesting point . One of our club members happens to be a fire fighter Organizing a international fire fighters games here in Winnipeg . And in the archery events which he has participated in previously. The plan is to include pole archery . With compound bows . ;) Cheers n thks again

all the time there is a bunch of new sports or variants of already existing ones trying to get in to the olympics, but the ultimate stopper is finances. if a rule was introduced that any sport would be dropped the next time if it didn't financially support itself via ticket sales and tv money. i don't think there would be much left. and maybe a surge is needed these days. everyone wants their sport in the olympics, but nobody want's the olympics to be in their city. the only way i can see it work out is to have the olympics in the same location every time, so that the things they must build will be used more then only once.

I can't remember who it was for certain but I think I know as it was probably 8-10 years ago at one of the field courses I set I was talking to someone from ArcheryGB. At the time they were saying that they had been asked to work with Beiter on reactive targets (which became the Beiter hit miss system where the centres are pushed into the target) to make archery more interesting for spectators. The idea at the time was they were going to have a 50m indoor hit miss style competition for compound as a demonstration sport at the Winter Olympics. The thinking was, it would limit venues to try and hold a 70m round indoors but things like the curling ice once no longer required for the competition could be covered and provide the space required fo a 50m competition. Who knows if it will ever happen as several Winter Olympics have been and gone in that time.

Compound will be there in time.

I'll take the guy who can hit an aspirin in the air with an arrow fired from a traditional long over other standard archery type.

World Archery answers this question here : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbmlf7eay7HWfJs.html

A lot of the financial burden of hosting cities comes from events that are not actually sport, but rather art. Ice dancing is a prime example, and any event where scoring is subjective rather than rigidly defined. Too much commercialism! Granted, in the case of ice prancing the arena might well be constructed for hockey and re-purposed for other 'events', but there is a lot of other commercial infrastructure that goes into production costs of subjective art events. If the Olympics were to return to PURE sport, I believe there would be plenty of funding for all events and generally a lower cost up front for the hosting city.

Going by the argument of accuracy, olympic archers should use crossbows because they are more precise ^^

A release aide can be used with any bow. And compound bows don't require release aides. I have a compound bow and never use release aides.

Not in Olympic because watching compound bow competition is the equivalent of watching paint dry. And we’re talking about an organization that allow curling as a competitive sport. I also own a compound hunting bow.

@7:30 you forgot instinctive division as a World Archery Class for 3D - but the picture you show is an Instinctive class shooter. I know it's kind of pedantic, and many people just look at it as a hybrid of the longbow and barebow class, but there are significant enough differences between the 3 single string classes as to why they exist.

Thanks for answering the question in such detail. we are lucky to have chosen a sport with so many different disciplines.

Compound and bear bow are the most entertaining archery disciplines with the broadest audience. They both should be included.

Surely horse archery would come under equestrian? Personally I regard target recurve as the purest, most elegant form of the sport, and certainly the closest to the asiatic martial arts!

Olympics should do biathlon archery. That would be cool.

so the short answer is "inertia"

I used to watch archery at the olympics for many years...and I have just saw a couple days ago records of a recent world championship in Paris that featured both compound bow and recurved bow. Having seen my 1st compound bow event now, I have to say that i still like recurved bow more. It gave me the impresssion that the compound bow is too technological, and also much less "variable" in results...everybody was doing 10s all the time with the occasional 9 (with a target that was much smaller in size)...with recurved you see even 8s, 7s and occasionally very big mistakes like 2-3s. I had the impression that with recurved the skill of the archer is more important than the tech of the bow to have a perfect final result...also you have the occasional error that gives some "sparkle" to the competition and makes it less predictable... I am not an expert, so just my 2 cents here as a general spectator that likes the sport... That said I guess compound can be at the olympics along with recurved...they just need to extend the days of competitions, it's doable in the 2 weeks of the olympics.

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Shooting events at the Olympics are boring in general, to sex them up, needs to be indeterminate distances, bare sights and moving targets, maybe include some running!

Compound bows are on the rise. I "downgraded" from target bow to traditional hunting bow. I saw a LOT of archers "upgrade" from target bow to compound bow. Nodody understood why I went shooting hunting bow, but they always ask to shoot some arrows with my bow, just for the feeling and experience of it

Great answer, thanks.

Hey Nu, are you interested in working with Mandarin Duck again?

i always figured that they don't add Compound because it would be boring to watch.

I've no problem with compound providing it's in its own section, I would say though you are a better all round disciplinarian using a recurve definately, for obvious reasons. I would like to see a comp that uses at least 2 types within a section, not insisting on which one you use as long as theyre both used. It would be fun and sort out the boys from the men (just a figure of speech but u get my drift). That would be awesome, maybe 3, compound, recurve and longbow making u use all the skills, anyway just my layman's opinion.

Horse archery could be very scenic which would very much do well with people not really into archery, but sadly national & world competition are still a bit niche for that.

Its not limited to archery. I.e. same reasons why in the olympic games under the firearms shooting disciplines two very popular events, Benchrest shooting and Practical shooting, are not present until today.

I talked to an international official who was close to the situation and the "cost arguments" you make are definitely in play but the primary reason Compound is not in the Olympics is that there were not enough countries with competitive compound teams. India, for example, has almost no compound archers, compared to Recurve. Even Korea is really just getting started with a compound program. Just because it is popular in the US and Europe does not mean it is a global sport. The "cost" considerations could be resolved simply by having the International Governing Bodies for the sports responsible for paying the operating costs. Asking one city to bear the burden of providing for all of the sports is untenable as every Olympic Games since Los Angeles (which used many pre-existing facilities) has lost money, often significant amounts of it). Instead, each sport, like archery, should be hosted by an archery-crazed country, like Korea, France, or the U.S. Make the Olympics a truly global event. This would reduce the costs needed to be the "host city" which would retain the opening and closing ceremonies and a couple of premier opening and closing events, e.g. track and field. This would also bring attending an Olympic event to a much broader population.

They will add this to Olympic games as a separate exercise if it'll become a more popular sport, which I doubt. One of the reasons why 10 meters running target was removed from Olympics after 2004 is because it wasn't as popular.

What about World Archery itself? The IOC pays them $2 million+ to operate/officiate the event. Is compound more work to officiate? If it were at the same venue, events adjusted to add only two or four net medal ceremonies, and qualifying standards added to reduce the number of participants who actual attend the Olympics to a more reasonable ~40 or so per discipline, I suspect the IOC could be convinced as it would only add a marginal cost increase on their side. But how much more would World Archery need from the IOC for the extra qualification and officiating work? Marginal or double/triple?

You are missing the number ONE reason that compound archery hasn't been introduced into the Olympic games. Back in the 70's, when compounds came to market, there were availability issues regarding the international aspect of the sport. That is right from the IOC. Now that is not an issue. Also, if you say they have a hard time "adding events", why are they adding things like table tennis to the Olympics?

I wouldn't be surprised to see compound added for Los Angeles in 2028.

I’d like for the world-organisations to suggest 1 ‘addition’ to the OG each time. So we, OG enthousiasts, can decide by views which one deserves a place in ‘the regular OG’.That being said, I’d rather see barebow or 3d-shooting in the OG!

part time archer not really that good but i do understand that Olympic archers might be crap hunters and war bow enthusiasts are a class all their own. nice vid and probably all very true on the reasons why. compound are nice to use and aim but again depends why and what you are doing archery for. im a medieval enthusiast so compounds are just to many parts to many things to maintain when a bit of wood and a string are far easier to make and maintain. what ever your reasons for doing it just enjoy them and know it takes a lot of skill to use any bow and perform well in any archery style, hunting Olympics whatever

Why not extending the event making mandatory to use more styles under a "gloabl archery" competition in the Olympics?

In my opinion, emphasis on "my", compound is the form of archery where the goal/philosophy of the bow is to minimize as much as possible the role/influence of the human being doing the shooting. I do practice Olympic, Traditional and Compound.

I want to see compound bows in the Olympics!

I hear the rumor in the Dutch archery community, that the International Olympic Committee is trying to organize a Compound Bow class, and a traditional class in the archery for the next Games. I don't know it's true, but it would be nice for the sport.

I think that eventually that Compound will be the only one when less and less top manufactures are making target IOC stuff and are catering to the USA/Canadian Hunting Market and if NOT they will either go to more a barebow recurve that can use a flat limb/ILF/Hoyts newest ILF style but the hunting models of smaller risers then say a target model with only one screw in point so no damper thing on the bow per the current rules or a Compound hunting model. I say this due to even cheaper companies most are not willing to make bows that are target models for the majority of the line and claim they can't make a living off them. I mean PSE has a line of Target Compound and most others need to be specialty brands to have a bow like this, Bear has one model that works as a target bow. I think if Archery came out for the Olympics introduced in 1980, 8 years later, we would be now seeing a compound with a bow that is more a compound version of ILF style like a sleeve the limb fits into, using no more then ___ speed and ___ power to fit the risers with this changing a tad over the years as materials and designs have gotten better.

I am mainly a recurve/flatbow archer and have never really used a compound much besides a first Generation 1999 Genesis when they had the 15-35 pound draw model I used without a release tool set to about 30 pounds. Nothing against Compound archers, My Brother had one for a bit as a kid due to few recurve archers in How Kota archery even at his age so to compete he used a compound. Lots of archers in compound did buy there win were good archers but beat out better great archers. They did this partially using a smaller adult bow that they set up to be 40 pounds or more with at the time in 2000's and having the top of the line sight and sights on compound vary way more then most recurve sights. My brother had good sights not top of the line latest model so he would lose due to that and having a slower 38 pound max young teen sized compound at age 9 before he out grew the bow. The others had 40-45 pound adult bows, the 2-3 year older model of the fathers, they gave down the older model as an excuse to buy a new bow themselves and 90% of parents were doing either no watching the kid just talking to parents about hunting of any kind or beyond coaching as if giving military orders without yelling.

I think we will see Compound get into the Games sooner rather than later. Mostly because of popularity. Compound is the most in your face form of archery for people that aren't archers. If the average person sees a Turkish bow and see it being drawn with a thumb, that will appear too complex. Why is that person not shooting 3 finger like the movies, TV shows, and video games? How come it doesn't look like the bow Joe Rogan, Cam Hanes, etc. Cam might be the most famous archer to average ppl. Then you have ease of use. It's easier to shoot a 80lb Compound than a 45lb Recurve or Asiatic bow. So ppl will be drawn to the less complex, easier entry. So with more and more ppl getting into compound archery, the better chance the games will include it.

"I have nothing against compound archers, some of my best friends are compounders!"

Compound bows will demolish the recurve though when it comes to fps.... 300++ vs 160++ .... no contest.

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I think it has a place there with the olympic recurve. Both have sights and neither should be in the olympics. Sights on a bow bum me out.

If its about money then IOC should kick out recurve from the olympics and get compound instead. Recurve is boring and looks just silly with that swinging of the bow after every shot.

Q：Why are Compond did not replace recurve in Olymipcs? A：Because south Korea wants to win 5 extra gold medals (doge)

they should do indoor compound in the winter olympics.

Compounds are in Olympics are you okay.

Compound zips through the target which makes finding the arrow difficult

I'd really like to what kind of dirty stuff does the swimming organization have on the olympics committee, because the amount of events that are basically the same thing swimming gets is ridiculous. I realize swimming is exceptionally difficult sport, but if a single person can win 3 or more gold medals at the same olympic games for doing basically the same thing, yet some sports with two internationally recognized, very different divisions have only one of them present, something just doesn't feel right.

Interesting. So, sex up other forms of archery to sell them? Compound bow...Beyond Thunderdome? Long Bow...Last Man Standing? Slightly more seriously, it would be interesting to see a 3D target course or moving targets a la some gun shooting contests. Even horse archery or a biathlon-like event. Ironically, sexing it up might leave you with something better approximating archery's origins.

Compound, 90% tools. More expensive, more accurate. Very funny Olympic choose compound more than barebow.

Yeah, Olympics won't include barebow or compound, but they are very happy to include 'Beach volleyball." 😒

Well, I don't like the compound bow. Hunting with one is like slipping through the brush/bush with a roll of chicken wire or a set bed strings. That being said....most hunters at least use them. So, it should be in the Olympics in my opinion👍

Compound is boring AF to watch.

Lots of explanation instead of just saying, the compound bow removes what makes a bow, a bow. It’s the levitating car of the auto world; hardly a car at all.

Because it’s like rifle shooting, back site front site, and training wheels.😊

I wish Compound gets included in the Olympics.